SAINTS 1-1 West Ham // Post-Match Reaction

[beatlesaint]

A couple of texts read out on Solent whilst I was driving home - "good to see Fox back in the team" and " Fox and Ramirez unstoppable today" WTF ? Are these people actually at the games or just on a wind up ?

[Roger]

Not really. Fair play for getting the goal but other than that he was wasteful in possession and was poor as usual.

 

Was not poor at all much better than Lallana.

[Roger]

Was not poor at all much better than Lallana.

 

Indeed. Take away the price tag and there's little to suggest it IMO. I think it's optimism in a lot of cases; he's clearly a good player but I haven't seen one 90 minute performance from him to suggest he's better than Lallana playing in a number 10 position for us.

 

Today was as he was much better than Lallana.

[tomf05]

I just don't get how anyone who has been playing football for any length of time can be so terrible at both corners and free kicks, and yet takes them so regularly! Iv never seen gaston beat the first man from a corner apart from today when it went out for a goal kick the other side! Every other player we have takes decent corners, Davis, Lallana even Danny fox! Surely it's got to stop

[Chez]

A couple of texts read out on Solent whilst I was driving home - "good to see Fox back in the team" and " Fox and Ramirez unstoppable today" WTF ? Are these people actually at the games or just on a wind up ?

 

its a wind up

[The Kraken]

Today was as he was much better than Lallana.

 

Rog, you keep banging this drum without listening. Is it intentional? Lallana and ramirez were both poor. Both of them. Neither played well.

 

If Lallana's performance today is something you use as a benchmark then we're all in trouble. Although it perhaps explains a lot if you do.

[Roger]

Was not poor at all much better than Lallana.

 

Rog, you keep banging this drum without listening. Is it intentional? Lallana and ramirez were both poor. Both of them. Neither played well.

 

If Lallana's performance today is something you use as a benchmark then we're all in trouble. Although it perhaps explains a lot if you do.

 

Oh do me a favour. Ramirez wasn't poor today you numpty. He scored a goal and tried to create things and chased back. His free kicks were awful. But you said you have seen nothing to show that he's a better number ten than Lallana. I think today he was better.

[trousers]

Oh do me a favour. Ramirez wasn't poor today you numpty. He scored a goal and tried to create things and chased back. His free kicks were awful. But you said you have seen nothing to show that he's a better number ten than Lallana. I think today he was better.

 

Agree with this

[The Kraken]

Oh do me a favour. Ramirez wasn't poor today you numpty. He scored a goal and tried to create things and chased back. His free kicks were awful. But you said you have seen nothing to show that he's a better number ten than Lallana. I think today he was better.

 

Stop getting so emotional, Rog. I'm only surprised you're not defending Lambert to the hilt for people not saying he was man of the match.

 

If that's your opinion then fine. But you're going to have to accept that plenty of others disagree with you and think Ramirez was largely under par, other than a well taken goal. And i think you're either being blind or deliberately missing the point about Lallana; I've said on a few occasions Ramirez played better today. But I'd still rather Lallana and JRod in the side at the moment with ramirez on the bench. Try not to erupt too much when you read that, its just an opinion.

[Tractor_Saint]

Apologies but found out how to do the black and white picture thing tonight

 

Rickie

 

 

Clyne

 

 

Clyne x 2

 

[Chez]

Was not poor at all much better than Lallana.

 

neither were great

[Tractor_Saint]

Clickerty click...

 

[Tractor_Saint]

To those around me that didn't shout like I shouted when I thought the keeper had pulled it back from behind the goal line - SHOUT NEXT TIME. Lallana was with me at least.

[The Kraken]

To those around me that didn't shout like I shouted when I thought the keeper had pulled it back from behind the goal line - SHOUT NEXT TIME. Lallana was with me at least.

 

Wrongly, though.

[Tractor_Saint]

Wrongly, though.

 

Crowd pressure can turn the decision. It was damn close, a bit more help from the crowd and it could have been given.

[The Kraken]

@SouthamptonFC: Hooiveld:"I think it was a great tackle. It was on the ball and not with a stretched leg, so I was a bit disappointed about that." #saintsfc

 

And as it turns out from TV evidence, utter sh*te.

[Sour Mash]

Ramirez other than free kicks was better than Lallana.

Neither were any good today were they. Or Lambert to be honest.

[Sour Mash]

Apologies but found out how to do the black and white picture thing tonight

 

Rickie

 

 

Clyne

 

 

Clyne x 2

 

Can you start another thread with these pics, I'm trying to read back on people's views on the game.

[Tractor_Saint]

Can you start another thread with these pics, I'm trying to read back on people's views on the game.

 

No, and if you don't like it you shouldn't be re-quoting it

[Roger]

Hooiveld wtf? Saying it wasn't a foul for free kick. Was blatant.

[Saint Charlie]

Clumsy Hooiveld...not for the first time. The glaring weak link in the first XI.

[Sour Mash]

How long have we all been saying that? And why is he still taking them?? Even the manager today got frustrated enough to sub him after the last fiasco.

He never plays 90mins anyway. Who knows, if he'd still been on the pitch he'd probably been allowed to keep taking and wasting them.

[Olallana]

Also saved a probable goal by blocking Nolan´s shot when Vaz Te walked past Fox in first half.

[Sour Mash]

No, and if you don't like it you shouldn't be re-quoting it

What's the point of them? You've coloured in one player on a black and white print, I don't get it?

[Bensfcno1]

Are support is ****ing ****

[Sour Mash]

Kraken ratings for the game:

 

Boruc: 6. Never really had much to do; as ever tried to get us going quickly from the back. Not much he could do about the goal, although it wasn't a great wall.

Clyne: 8. Superb in defence (Jarvis never got a sniff) and a real threat going forwards. Just needs to add that ability to find the killer ball when he gets forward into good positions.

Fox: 6. Got skinned early on by Vaz Te but otherwise ok, a solid display.

Yoshida: 6. Did well but could quite easily have gifted Carroll a goal when Yoshi completely mistimed his jump for a header; we got lucky when Carroll shot wide.

Hooiveld: 6: Once again from Jos a decent performance but a reckless and needless foul gave away the free kick that led to their goal.

Cork: 9, MOTM. Superb throughout, he must be horrible to play against as he's just a complete nuisance with his harrying. If he could add goals to his game he'd be a shoo in for England.

Schneiderlin: 7. A quietly effective game from Morgan, perhaps subdued by his early yellow. Still efficient and kept us ticking.

Lallana: 5. Off colour and never really got going.

Ramirez: 6. Similar to Lallana but got the goal. Simply appalling set piece deliveries, please for goodness sake MP get someone else to take them in future.

Davis: 7. Tidy display, didn't do much wrong.

Lambert: 6. Was often isolated up top and missed JRod. So close to a goal but for a great Jaaskelainen save, but otherwise didn't have the best of service to feed off.

 

Subs:

Rodriguez: 8. Excellent display in a limited time and makes you wonder what might have been had he been available for 90 minutes. Has become a key player for us under MP.

Puncheon: 6. Didn't really do much but did ok.

I thought Schneiderlin was subdued, knowing he was carrying a yellow card, ideally we'd have subbed him, but have no-one even close to his quality off the bench. Agree MOTM of Cork, particularly first half, different class to everyone out there. Edited 13 April, 2013 by Sour Mash

[JRM]

What's the point of them? You've coloured in one player on a black and white print, I don't get it?

 

sort of mug who makes himself useful on a Saturday night while his Mrs watches Ant & Dec probably gave him a sense of purpose colouring players in

[Tractor_Saint]

sort of mug who makes himself useful on a Saturday night while his Mrs watches Ant & Dec probably gave him a sense of purpose colouring players in

 

Beats trolling on an internet forum I suppose.

[Jones91]

Really impressed with Steven Davis today. I don't remember his giving it away once today and produced passes into key areas, he has come on leaps and bounds under pochettino.

 

Having said that, the crowd were awful today, no chants for our team just the usual anti ref, anti Pompey crap. What happened to a good old 'oh when the saints'.

clearly you weren't in the kingsland, we were belting out 'oh when the saints' and 'come on you reds' and 'one pochettino' and various chants for individual players, so i dont think its fair to judge if you werent in the right area.

[s0108787]

the problem i see with ramierz is that he appears to be playing for himself and not the team. He always tries the glory pass, dribble or shot and 9 times out of 10 loses posession. Not convinced at the moment. i hope he comes good, quite obviously has ability but needs to start doing the basics right and hopefully the confidence to do the rest will follow.

[Kingsbridge Saint]

West Ham will be delighted with that. Came for a point, kicked the **** out of us and fortunate to get a ref prepared to allow a lot of it. They will know they were played off the park in football terms and were dead lucky to get a point. Allardyce is on a different planet with his comments about how they were comfortable. Two things to work on - Hooiveld learning not to dive in and also to try harder not to look like a baby elephant when confronted with pace. And Ramirez to spend the week kicking a football against a wall, so he knows how hard to swing his leg to get the ball to the right place.

[Suomi Saint]

I thought Saints and Ramirez played well.....I don't know what everyone is moaning about.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Semi frustrated that we didn't take all the points yesterday - as we clearly deserved to I thought - but consoling myself with the cheering realization that at least we don't have to watch bloody West Ham again until next season. Just imagine the grim prospect of having to endure Sam Allardyce's brand of niggely stone age hoofball every single week ... those cockneys deserve a bloody medal.

 

With just a couple of good signings we should take more than just the single point off them next season.

[Gingeletiss]

Are support is ****ing ****

 

So is OUR education system.

[eurosaint]

I just don't get how anyone who has been playing football for any length of time can be so terrible at both corners and free kicks, and yet takes them so regularly! Iv never seen gaston beat the first man from a corner apart from today when it went out for a goal kick the other side! Every other player we have takes decent corners, Davis, Lallana even Danny fox! Surely it's got to stop

 

I'm surprised that you say 'even' Danny Fox ?

He is our best dead ball/corner taker (Lallana is not in the same league!) and is why I reckon that he could play a strong role at left midfield in front of Shaw !

He is not as bad a footballer as so many make out, he just doesn't have the pace or positional sense to play at LB !!

All IMHO of course !

[ericofarabia]

So is OUR education system.

 

Your correct on that point ;-)

[Legod Third Coming]

Can the rest of the league vote to relegate a team on the basis that:

 

1) They don't use the pitch

2) They don't play football

3) They are full of ugly dirty c**ts

 

If so, my vote goes to West Ham.

[Legod Third Coming]

Oh and a word for Mike Dean.

 

It starts with "w" and rhymes with anchor.

 

Or starts with "cl" and rhymes with shoeless.

[tomf05]

I totally agree with you, he has always been a good dead ball option, I think after all my frustration with him at the start of the season I could blame him for anything! I'd like to see him left mid at some point as long as he doesn't sell Luke shaw short!

[OldNick]

Semi frustrated that we didn't take all the points yesterday - as we clearly deserved to I thought - but consoling myself with the cheering realization that at least we don't have to watch bloody West Ham agamin until next season. Just imagine the grim prospect of having to endure Sam Allardyce's brand of niggely stone age hoofball every single week ... those cockneys deserve a bloody medal.

 

With just a couple of good signings we should take more than just the single point off them next season.

and just think they are going to fill a 50k stadium dishing that c*** out

[CB Fry]

and just think they are going to fill a 50k stadium dishing that c*** out

 

 

 

They move in for the start of the 2016-17 season.

 

Some things may happen between now and then. Just a thought.

[Olallana]

They move in for the start of the 2016-17 season.

 

Some things may happen between now and then. Just a thought.

 

Yep, they might be in the championship.

[CB Fry]

Yep, they might be in the championship.

 

 

 

Indeed. And we might get to play them in the first league fixture there.

[Griffo]

Don't know what's happened to our support this season. Only a handful actually make any noise in the Itchen North, and the Northam could rarely be heard at all. What's happened to us?

[Elias]

I wasn't a fan of the over the top homophobic chanting directed at Skate Taylor. I'm all for a bit of banter but shouting 'faggot' and 'HIV' isn't funny or clever, it's just offensive.

 

**** game, neither set of fans seemed up for it either.

[Elias]

Don't know what's happened to our support this season. Only a handful actually make any noise in the Itchen North, and the Northam could rarely be heard at all. What's happened to us?

 

The noisier support seems to have migrated to the Kingsland North.

[warsash saint]

Are support is ****ing ****

 

Keep repeating it, won't make a difference!

[ALWAYS_SFC]

You can see why many West Ham fans despair at the team they have become and the football they play under Allardyce. A more niggly, cheating, diving, cynical team of hoofers I've yet to encounter in the Premership this time around. Does Allardyce coach them to dive the minute that someone breathes gard down the neck, or are they that type of player to begin with? Take that overpaid, over-hyped Donkey Carroll for example. As well as being a mystery why anybody would be mad enough to think that he is worth £35 million, it is incomprehensible why such a big lumbering oaf cannot keep his feet when challenged to the ball by a much smaller player. One can only conclude that he does it to gain an advantage via a free-kcik, in other words, he is a cheat. What a shame though that the referee didn't realise that they conned him every time. Even the one awarded to them that resulted in their equaliser didn't look justified to me. I'll have to wait and see it on MOTD.

 

We passed the ball about nicely, generally didn't fall victim to their hoofballs and were the better team. But without Rodriguez to provide his energy and cutting edge, a draw was a reasonable result. Rodriguez showed enough in that last sector of the match to suggest that had he been fit enough to start, he would have been the difference between 1 point and 3.

 

Another match where we were unable to play the Pochettino high pressing game, but Plan B looked quite a bit like Adkins' style of having us play, trying to keep the ball away from WH and passing it about probing for an opening. Generally good performances from most of the players, particularly Cork, Schneiderlin and Clyne. Ramirez is frustrating. OK, he scores the goal to give us the lead, but then had a succession of dead ball situations where he failed to deliver a decent ball.

 

It would be good to finish ahead of WH this season, so I hope that they get nothing from their game in hand. I suspect that following Reading and West Ham, Swansea and West Brom are going to be matches that much more suit our style of play and if Shaw and Rodriguez are both back, our chances of the points will be much better.

 

Good summary Wes...

[Weston Saint]

Apologies but found out how to do the black and white picture thing tonight

 

Rickie

 

/QUOTE]

 

This was not from the West Ham game. Person sitting next to me was not there for the game!!!!

[Chez]

Clumsy Hooiveld...not for the first time. The glaring weak link in the first XI.

 

didn't look weak when winning countless headers all day against Carroll.

 

Perfect player to combat teams like Stoke and West Ham. Apreciate what he can do rather than constantly moaning about what he can't. You need a big lump sometimes.