kpturner Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Wow! This thread has dragged out some pretty disgraceful comments has it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel=God-Poyet=Sod Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 While I can appreciate why some were not fans of her tenure as PM, it's a bit sad that you wouldn't be able to honour a minute's silence, regardless of who it is for. Remind us how she honoured the lives of te victims of Hillsborough and their families. It would be a bad idea, that's all I'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Remind us how she honoured the lives of te victims of Hillsborough and their families. It would be a bad idea, that's all I'm saying. Time for a username change FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Shouldn't someone put a stake through her heart just to be on the safe side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel=God-Poyet=Sod Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Time for a username change FFS. I don't know how sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 I don't know how sorry. Get in contact with the mods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Some disgraceful comments on here and a total lack of respect to the dead and her family at this time whatever you may have thought of her! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Some disgraceful comments on here and a total lack of respect to the dead and her family at this time whatever you may have thought of her! You sound surprised....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Some disgraceful comments on here and a total lack of respect to the dead and her family at this time whatever you may have thought of her! It's not my scene, but she didn't exactly respect the masses herself did she. Hillsborough springs to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Dave Whelan out of touch as ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Some disgraceful comments on here and a total lack of respect to the dead and her family at this time whatever you may have thought of her! I'm sure Carol and Mark are really upset reading the comments on this thread..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 You sound surprised....? Not really just disappointed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Wow! This thread has dragged out some pretty disgraceful comments has it not? sorry, The Kingsland is not that bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 I'll join in with a minute of cheering. Any minute silence should be drowned out and I'll be doing my best to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Minutes silence - no, (it is not the right venue and won't be respected anyway) State funeral - no, diSagree will politicians getting them. Revelling in someone's death - no, it's sick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 I'm sure Carol and Mark are really upset reading the comments on this thread..... They're busy celebrating after learning the news that they won't have to pay for their mother's funeral as the British taxpayer has been made to cough up instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Minutes silence - no, (it is not the right venue and won't be respected anyway) State funeral - no, diSagree will politicians getting them. Revelling in someone's death - no, it's sick agree with the first two points but am i allowed a little chuckle if i slap myself on the wrist after ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McGrath's Jockstrap Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Wow! This thread has dragged out some pretty disgraceful comments has it not? Yes it has, but nobody should be surprised. The main point to emphasise is that MT polarised views to the extreme across both the political and social spectrum. Unfortunately I am now in mid 50's, but I do unfortunately remember the appalling state this country was in during the late 70's and early 80's. Right or wrong she transformed that situation. She was an extraordinary political leader - and I don't use the term in a way that infers this in always a positive sense. Frankly any funeral tributes should be paid in the right arena and this is not in a football ground. It should be the highest ceremonial funeral possible (but not state).... but this has nothing to do with football apart from a lot of people being congregated together. For the FA to impose a minutes silence on clubs would be the worst decision ever because of fans' polarisation on her positive or negative impact on their or their families lives. It would cause problems and unrest in the ground which would show a distinct lack of repsect - nobody wants that ,or should not want that so a decision not to impose a minute's silence is a sensible decision. If you want to pay due respect do it at the right venue - the highest possible ceremonial funeral in London next week. If not - show dignity and ignore the whole issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-scooby Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Nah, will save the nation a few quid a year now she is gone, did anyon e get her into this years dead pool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Minutes silence - no, (it is not the right venue and won't be respected anyway) State funeral - no, diSagree will politicians getting them. Revelling in someone's death - no, it's sick Sums it all up pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McGrath's Jockstrap Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Nah, will save the nation a few quid a year now she is gone, did anyon e get her into this years dead pool My point proven.....I am not sure that everybody shares your highly enlightened and empathetic view however...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Saint Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Typical media made 'news'. A campaign by the media for something no one really cares either way about creating pressure on the authorities to allow it. Cue a select few that rightly/wrongly don't adhere to it = stacks of copy for next weeks papers. Rolling News. God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Really quite disturbing the sheer number of people apparently rejoicing in the death of someone simply because they hold opposing political ideologies. She wasn't a terrorist or a tyrant. She didn't bring a wave of mass murder upon her own people. The way some of you are going on, you'd think she was at Hillsborough with a machine gun. If you hate her politics fine but she was re-elected by a landslide in '83 and '87. Whatever your opinion of Thatcher, enough people voted to keep her in power for over a decade, so deal with it. This coming from someone who is pretty much neutral when it comes to political issues. This is nothing to do with football and we wont be having a minutes silence. Surely we can lock this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExSt Peter Saint Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 An awful idea to mix football and politics. She had no time for the game and I'll refrain from adding my thoughts on what she did to the country as this is a football forum, but if forced to choose I would not honour a minute's silence to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 I am not a Tory and believe Margaret supported Pompey in a political sense but I honestly couldn't care less as you can't change history and she can't do anything to anyone but perhaps worrying about upsetting Mark Thatcher is going beyond the pale. Just do a bit of research on that moral blackhole. In fact if the comments on here really upset him I'd say keep 'em coming. Most of this thread has nothing to do with football so I thought I'd add to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Some disgraceful comments on here and a total lack of respect to the dead and her family at this time whatever you may have thought of her! Errr she didn't exactly show respect to the many lives she ruined at home or abroad. Supporting a brutal dictator anyone? Nobody here is taunting her family or stomping on her flowers just expressing a wish to perhaps not be told we should be rather sad about such a person dying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Really quite disturbing the sheer number of people apparently rejoicing in the death of someone simply because they hold opposing political ideologies. She wasn't a terrorist or a tyrant. She didn't bring a wave of mass murder upon her own people. The way some of you are going on, you'd think she was at Hillsborough with a machine gun. If you hate her politics fine but she was re-elected by a landslide in '83 and '87. Whatever your opinion of Thatcher, enough people voted to keep her in power for over a decade, so deal with it. This coming from someone who is pretty much neutral when it comes to political issues. This is nothing to do with football and we wont be having a minutes silence. Surely we can lock this thread. She supported Pinochet, aprtheid South Africa and put millions of British people out of work for political and idealogical gain. This thread could probably do with being elsewhere or closed though I agree but I dont think you should try and whitewash what she did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 It's not my scene, but she didn't exactly respect the masses herself did she. Hillsborough springs to mind. What did she say/do re. Hillsborough? Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 She supported Pinochet, aprtheid South Africa and put millions of British people out of work for political and idealogical gain. This thread could probably do with being elsewhere or closed though I agree but I dont think you should try and whitewash what she did. Politics is full of the supposed 'good guys' getting into bed with some very shifty characters. We supported Saddam Hussein in the Iran/Iraq war and more recently Tony Blair was seen getting very chummy with Gadhafi. British and US governments have been supporting and supplying weapons to some horrible people because they were politically opposed to our enemies. The Mujahedeen in Afghanistan and the wasps nest which is Israel who I believe break more terms of the Geneva convention than any other state on the planet. I don't agree with any of it but it's hardly exclusive to Thatcher. I'm not whitewashing what she did, she was very often on the wrong side of history. I do think people should at least try and show respect. 2 wrongs not making a right and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Some disgraceful comments on here and a total lack of respect to the dead and her family at this time whatever you may have thought of her! While I think nobody wishes anyone to die it has to be said thousands of people die every day. You can't have a public tribute for all of them. To some they will think she did well, others who suffered will disagree. Why does she deserve everybody to reflect on her death when she didn't with those who died at Hillsborough? She was many things but she was not a fan of the football culture nor the football fans. It would be the wrong place to try and remember her. A commons minute of silence by MPs is the right place. Trying to force people to hold a minutes silence no matter their views on that person is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 While I think nobody wishes anyone to die it has to be said thousands of people die every day. You can't have a public tribute for all of them. To some they will think she did well, others who suffered will disagree. Why does she deserve everybody to reflect on her death when she didn't with those who died at Hillsborough? She was many things but she was not a fan of the football culture nor the football fans. It would be the wrong place to try and remember her. A commons minute of silence by MPs is the right place. Trying to force people to hold a minutes silence no matter their views on that person is wrong. I don't think anyone on here is actually in favour of a minutes silence. There is however a world of difference of that and people saying they are glad she is dead, going down the pub to celebrate and saying they would cheer/boo a minutes silence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Some disgraceful comments on here and a total lack of respect to the dead and her family at this time whatever you may have thought of her! Surely you're no angel yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Politics is full of the supposed 'good guys' getting into bed with some very shifty characters. We supported Saddam Hussein in the Iran/Iraq war and more recently Tony Blair was seen getting very chummy with Gadhafi. British and US governments have been supporting and supplying weapons to some horrible people because they were politically opposed to our enemies. The Mujahedeen in Afghanistan and the wasps nest which is Israel who I believe break more terms of the Geneva convention than any other state on the planet. I don't agree with any of it but it's hardly exclusive to Thatcher. I'm not whitewashing what she did, she was very often on the wrong side of history. I do think people should at least try and show respect. 2 wrongs not making a right and all that. Fair point politics isnt exactly black and white but I think plenty of people have called for Blair to face a war crimes tribunal and plenty of others having publically condemned Israel. Thatchers death is a focal point for her critics as it's recieved widespread media attention and, inevtiably, plenty of people had good reason to hate her. I think it has to be accepted that people are going to be passionate about this and her death, no matter how unfortunate, does not change what she did in her life. I'm all for letting her family have their peace and not going on a public jolly to celebrate her death but when people talk about state funerals, sliences and how people should show respect for her achievements I dont see a need to keep quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Would the silence drown out the cheers? Best not try to find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Like someone said some pretty poor comments on here, quite funny that The Sun newspaper, one that you would feel would have a predominantly anti Maggie readership have conducted a poll asking whether she was good for the country 50% said yes 34% said no (16% probably didnt understand the question) so even from beyond the grave she nails another landslide. What is also funny is those who are painting her as a nasty piece of work, are delivering their thoughts with quite a bit of vicious vitriol. If we were fans of a northern Mining town team you would expect no less, but for fans of a team in the South of England the axe to grind in her direction is pretty feeble. Unless of course you were denied your seat on the gravy train that existed down the docks. To get this back on track marking her passing in a football stadium is not the best idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 I don't think anyone on here is actually in favour of a minutes silence. There is however a world of difference of that and people saying they are glad she is dead, going down the pub to celebrate and saying they would cheer/boo a minutes silence. But you have to try and see it from their side of the fence. People from the north suffered terribly. In some places it is still bad today. She destroyed manufacturing which was largely a northern thing. Imagine you and your family were workers there for generations and all of a sudden you have lost your job. Add to that due to those decisions businesses shut or move creating further unemployment. You apply for jobs with hundreds of other people but there are no jobs. Then when you protest about it you are attacked by riot police. Wondering how you will feed your family etc. These people of which there were millions will not have the same view on her as others. If their life or that of their family members was made difficult by her decisions then I can understand why they would be happy she has died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Like someone said some pretty poor comments on here, quite funny that The Sun newspaper, one that you would feel would have a predominantly anti Maggie readership have conducted a poll asking whether she was good for the country 50% said yes 34% said no (16% probably didnt understand the question) so even from beyond the grave she nails another landslide. What is also funny is those who are painting her as a nasty piece of work, are delivering their thoughts with quite a bit of vicious vitriol. If we were fans of a northern Mining town team you would expect no less, but for fans of a team in the South of England the axe to grind in her direction is pretty feeble. Unless of course you were denied your seat on the gravy train that existed down the docks. To get this back on track marking her passing in a football stadium is not the best idea Sorry the sun has an anti Thatcher readership, its the most right wing rag bar the mail! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Like someone said some pretty poor comments on here, quite funny that The Sun newspaper, one that you would feel would have a predominantly anti Maggie readership have conducted a poll asking whether she was good for the country 50% said yes 34% said no (16% probably didnt understand the question) so even from beyond the grave she nails another landslide. What is also funny is those who are painting her as a nasty piece of work, are delivering their thoughts with quite a bit of vicious vitriol. If we were fans of a northern Mining town team you would expect no less, but for fans of a team in the South of England the axe to grind in her direction is pretty feeble. Unless of course you were denied your seat on the gravy train that existed down the docks. To get this back on track marking her passing in a football stadium is not the best idea Kind of summed it up really in the assumption that only those directly affected by the folding of the mining industry should care. Thats her legacy, the atomised individual with the "no such thing as society" rhetoric. Is it feeble to dislike the woman for supporting a brutal dictator or the continuation of apartheid in South Africa or her shoot to kill policy in NI? I'd suggest otherwise ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Like someone said some pretty poor comments on here, quite funny that The Sun newspaper, one that you would feel would have a predominantly anti Maggie readership have conducted a poll asking whether she was good for the country 50% said yes 34% said no (16% probably didnt understand the question) so even from beyond the grave she nails another landslide. What is also funny is those who are painting her as a nasty piece of work, are delivering their thoughts with quite a bit of vicious vitriol. If we were fans of a northern Mining town team you would expect no less, but for fans of a team in the South of England the axe to grind in her direction is pretty feeble. Unless of course you were denied your seat on the gravy train that existed down the docks. To get this back on track marking her passing in a football stadium is not the best idea What about solidarity with people suffering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Like someone said some pretty poor comments on here, quite funny that The Sun newspaper, one that you would feel would have a predominantly anti Maggie readership have conducted a poll asking whether she was good for the country 50% said yes 34% said no (16% probably didnt understand the question) so even from beyond the grave she nails another landslide. What is also funny is those who are painting her as a nasty piece of work, are delivering their thoughts with quite a bit of vicious vitriol. If we were fans of a northern Mining town team you would expect no less, but for fans of a team in the South of England the axe to grind in her direction is pretty feeble. Unless of course you were denied your seat on the gravy train that existed down the docks. To get this back on track marking her passing in a football stadium is not the best idea Would this be the same Sun newspaper that had a partnership with her? Also are you saying because of where we were born we should turn a blind eye to things that happen elsewhere? Because we have food to eat we shouldn't care about those who starve? We are the same country. We are all British. Having a regional ideology or as she said "the city will keep us" is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 I feel sorry for her family and friends, but I disliked her with a vengance. She had a good life towards the end, didn't she die in the Ritz? How many people in the mining communities are afforded that luxury. As for a minutes silence a definate noooooooooooooooo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 This thread just shows that it would be a bad idea. I would almost expect half the crowd to start cheering if there was a minute's silence for her. A very Marmite character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Like someone said some pretty poor comments on here, quite funny that The Sun newspaper, one that you would feel would have a predominantly anti Maggie readership have conducted a poll asking whether she was good for the country 50% said yes 34% said no (16% probably didnt understand the question) so even from beyond the grave she nails another landslide. What is also funny is those who are painting her as a nasty piece of work, are delivering their thoughts with quite a bit of vicious vitriol. If we were fans of a northern Mining town team you would expect no less, but for fans of a team in the South of England the axe to grind in her direction is pretty feeble. Unless of course you were denied your seat on the gravy train that existed down the docks. To get this back on track marking her passing in a football stadium is not the best idea Typical ignorant comment regarding the docks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 What about solidarity with people suffering? Jeez for a bloke who has admitted that he was 4 when Maggie came to power, you certainly are having a lot of fun with this subject matter. I have been through the towns decimated by the closing of the highest employer be it steel, coal, cars. I had to try and sell my wares in those towns I was in my very early twenties, it was pretty bloody depressing to do and see. But hey I lived in the "affluent" south of England I could escape I could trundle home to "normality". I felt for those people, but being one of Maggies Children I am probably to some a bit of a hard faced bastard when it comes to self preservation, when I got kicked severely in the nuts I did what the Chingford Skinhead said and got on my bike and did something about it, but that didn't stop me feeling for the poor sods who did not have the opportunities or didn't know where those opportunities were to escape the vortex they were in. Negative equity and soaring interest rates that saw letter for the next mortgage payment that was nearly as much as my monthly salary before I had even thought about eating, all in Maggies tenure, and as a result of the actions of her governments policies. Did anyone give a toss at my plight the, cold sweats, the fear of losing my house: No. Was I luckier with the opportunities available to me compared to those who had lost the only way of life they had known for years: Too bloody right.................... Hey I can't hide from it but I certainly dont need someone questioning my solidarity with other peoples suffering. Just as footnote my Father was from a Coal mining Family not a million miles from your stated location, they were private mines that the NUM tried to interfere with to no avail, but the fall out from the closures and cheap imports saw them eventually close prematurely, so my empathy runs a little deeper than you realise................. blimey I got lucky there too as I was en-route into the that side of the families line of work until I got nudged in another direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 I hope the ***** rots in hell. The isle of man seems about right :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Typical ignorant comment regarding the docks. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 9 April, 2013 Share Posted 9 April, 2013 Silences at footy games are for footy people. End of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 10 April, 2013 Share Posted 10 April, 2013 Silences at footy games are for footy people. End of. Exactly, im also starting to get ****ed off with some of the no marks getting honoured at games now. Well be honouring Doris the tea lady soon. That said if the club decide to hold a minutes silance for anyone, I'll honour it or maybe arrive fashionably late to miss it. To disrupt it would make me as low as the skate scum that disrupted teds . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbob40 Posted 10 April, 2013 Share Posted 10 April, 2013 She hated football and its fans and was adept at selling school playing fields . She was quite good on spitting image though and seemed to inspire some decent music. How about a minutes Mexican wave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 10 April, 2013 Share Posted 10 April, 2013 She cost me my first job as a milk monitor, this was akin to the miners later on so no to a minutes silence and no to a state funeral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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