dinger Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 Considering how often it feels like this has happened to us this season, I was staggered to read in this article... * The Saints have not lost a game they have been winning at half-time this season Can this really be true? It feels like we've done it half a dozen times. Perhaps that's just my inner pessimist.
Matthew Le God Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 We've dropped 27 points from winning positions though, which it the most in the Premier League this season.
Olallana Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 I think we´ve only lost 5 games from winning position. 2 times Man U, Man C away, Everton away, Stoke away. So I think the stats looks worse than they really are cause most of them are away and when the home team falls behind they will always go forward. Better to have the ability to take the lead and learn how to defend leads, than the other way around. Not often you win games when falling behind in games.
oldsarum Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 I think we´ve only lost 5 games from winning position. 2 times Man U, Man C away, Everton away, Stoke away. So I think the stats looks worse than they really are cause most of them are away and when the home team falls behind they will always go forward. Better to have the ability to take the lead and learn how to defend leads, than the other way around. Not often you win games when falling behind in games. I know it might have felt like a defeat in the circumstances afger being 3-1 up, but we actually drew 3-3 at Stoke
Jimmy_D Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 Considering how often it feels like this has happened to us this season, I was staggered to read in this article... * The Saints have not lost a game they have been winning at half-time this season Can this really be true? It feels like we've done it half a dozen times. Perhaps that's just my inner pessimist. When winning at half time, our record of getting at least the draw goes back about 50 games now.
Bearsy Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 earlier this season there was a point where we was statistically more likely to win game if we didn't score edit: first ps: yo
shurlock Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 For me, its the usual s**t of throwing points away at the end: Stoke, Wigan, United, City, very nearly Norwich. I think the shoe's been on the foot only once -Fulham (h).
Appy Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 For me, its the usual s**t of throwing points away at the end: Stoke, Wigan, United, City, very nearly Norwich. I think the shoe's been on the foot only once -Fulham (h). Fulham away too.
Hokie Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 To lose points from a winning position, you first have to find yourself in a winning position. Most teams don't find themselves up against United and City. I'd be interested to see the points not as an absolute number, but as a percentage. I suspect that may bring Saints back towards the average. Further, its easier to defend a lead for 10 minutes than 80. Saints seem to me (I'm sure the stattos can check) to score early in matches, which is a good thing, but gives more opportunity to the opponent to pull the game back. So, I want to see the stat: points lost per minute ahead. Anyone?
shurlock Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 Fulham away too. True though that goal had been coming all second half.
Olallana Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 I know it might have felt like a defeat in the circumstances afger being 3-1 up, but we actually drew 3-3 at Stoke Haha my mistake...
Saint Garrett Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 The Norwich, Swansea, Fulham, Stoke, Wigan games were all 'dropped points'. Fulham away You could argue that we expected to lose to Man Utd, City, and Everton.
saint si Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 Teams that dropped points against us from winning positions that i can remember ... Villa home (i.e. at SMS); Wigan away; Fulham twice; and of course Chelsea away
Ohio Saint Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 I would like to rename this thread for Alpine: Winning points from whining positions.
Jones91 Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 I think we´ve only lost 5 games from winning position. 2 times Man U, Man C away, Everton away, Stoke away. So I think the stats looks worse than they really are cause most of them are away and when the home team falls behind they will always go forward. Better to have the ability to take the lead and learn how to defend leads, than the other way around. Not often you win games when falling behind in games. we drew 3-3 to stoke away, didnt lose
Bucks Saint Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 Different slant, but the last time around in the Prem, i am sure we went for some years when we failed to win away from home, having gone behind. Right up there with the 8/9 years we went without winning the first game of the season, until the brilliance of Coventry away in Aug 1999
Cascadia Saint Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 27 points dropped from winning positions, Jesus. Hold on to half of those and we are so comfortably mid-table, knocking on the door of chasing Europe. This is why next season could be very different. Clapping happily...
Stu Man Do Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 I think we have scored something like the 3rd most goals in the league in the opening 10 minutes of a game, Man Utd and someone else I can't remember ahead of us.
Lets B Avenue Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 What about points gained from a losing position? Against Fulham (H) and Wigan (A) we were both winning and losing during the match. How do these stats take that into account.
Evil Monkey Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 So we'd be on 64 points if we hadn't lost these leads. 6 points behind Utd in 2nd. FFS. We're sh*t.
Olallana Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/PR/ptslost.html Easy to look at it in many different ways on this stat site.
Saints foreva Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 You could argue that we expected to lose to Man Utd I certainly didn't expect to lose to Man Utd going into the 85th minute of the game.
Saint Without a Halo Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 To lose points from a winning position, you first have to find yourself in a winning position. Most teams don't find themselves up against United and City. I'd be interested to see the points not as an absolute number, but as a percentage. I suspect that may bring Saints back towards the average. Further, its easier to defend a lead for 10 minutes than 80. Saints seem to me (I'm sure the stattos can check) to score early in matches, which is a good thing, but gives more opportunity to the opponent to pull the game back. So, I want to see the stat: points lost per minute ahead. Anyone? In the end all that counts is the numbrer of points gained not the ones lost!
badgerx16 Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 You cannot lose what you never had - points only count at the final whistle. If we draw a game, is that 1 point gained or 2 lost ?
Cascadia Saint Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 You cannot lose what you never had - points only count at the final whistle. If we draw a game, is that 1 point gained or 2 lost ? The eternal question...
AussieDog Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 You cannot lose what you never had - points only count at the final whistle. If we draw a game, is that 1 point gained or 2 lost ? BOTH - or neither if it is a cup game:)
Golden Balls Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 Different slant, but the last time around in the Prem, i am sure we went for some years when we failed to win away from home, having gone behind. Right up there with the 8/9 years we went without winning the first game of the season, until the brilliance of Coventry away in Aug 1999 I was at the Burnley game when we finally won away from home after going behind. It was the first time in 12 years I believe. We won 3-2 and Rudi had a great game. Wayne Thomas got sent off.......for them.
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