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You again! Crumbs it’s like being attacked by an angry aging hoverfly – it looks like it might sting you, but hasn’t got any bite.

 

Firstly, ‘naïveté’ - in English that’s written as naivety and as much I’m sure you’d like using the French spelling to suggest the coolness and sophistication of your avatar, in fact it indicates that never has the association been more misplaced.

 

Secondly, the observation that it is naïve to ask Lord D for his wife’s examples of waste etc is I would say rather naïve in itself. It says to me that you believe that in every department in all hospitals there is eye-popping waste, poor care and laziness visible for all staff to see – and yet do nothing about. I think you’ve been reading too many crap papers.

 

Thirdly, thanks for the advice. But, assuming that wasn’t a really lame attempt at sarcasm, I already knew about the PM feature. Rather, I was hoping Lord D would bring his wife’s experiences to the table as a discussion point. It’s really useful to have some first-hand evidence. I’ve no doubt there is a lot of waste and examples of poor nursing and laziness – I simply wanted to know some examples to consider whether there is an explanation beyond the fact that the NHS is a large public institution. There may not be – but I’d like an example to talk about from someone (second-hand) who actually works in a hospital.

 

What a proper Charlie!

 

1 - I must say your first sentence would sound rather more convincing were it not for the OTT response that follows - methinks the lady doth protest too much.

 

2 - Although I'm sure many of us have been fortunate enough to have received good treatment from the NHS, the appalling Mid Staffs scandal did expose this organisations failings to all and sundry. What is more I strongly suspect examples of poor/unacceptable NHS practice will also be within the personal experience of many forum members reading this. Your questioning response to these (well known) failings being pointed out to you betrays a rather embarrassing level of naïveté regarding the true state of this nations public services.

 

3 - Your request that someone on here should betray the confidence of a family member in the employ of the NHS and identify the Hospital they work at - quite possibly placing her in a most difficult situation - is a yet another example of your naivety. If you really require further proof of NHS malpractice then you have already been provided with ample hard evidence from a reputable source, but here is some further reading for your education:

http://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/our-work/projects/francis-inquiry?gclid=CPfPvfnKw7YCFYjLtAodIWsAtQ

 

4 - Over the years I have encountered very few people who consider The Independent to be a "crap" newspaper. I must admit it is surprising that someone of your political leanings should think that. But please expand on your reasons for holding this view - I'm sure they will be most illuminating.

 

5 - The occasional employment of foreign terms that are both easily understandable and in common English usage is not generally considered to be a valid cause for hysterical offence! Calm down dear.

 

6 - You are right for once "cool and sophisticated" is indeed the target I like to aim at on here - aimed at but seldom hit alas. However given the tenor of your contributions to this forum I fear that is a depiction that is even less likely to be ever leveled at you.

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Remind me, who's the nasty party again?

 

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http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/labour-official-apologises-jibe-margaret-2586869

 

A Welsh Labour source said: “These comments are beyond tasteless. Darren Williams appears to be advocating the death of Tony Blair.“Mr Williams holds a position of considerable responsibility within the Labour Party as a member of the National Policy Forum.

“In that role he is expected to represent and reflect the opinions of all party members in Wales.

“Clearly, people will ask how someone who holds such extreme and offensive views can adequately represent the views of mainstream members in developing party policy.

"Frankly, if he doesn't issue a full and unreserved apology and withdraw his remarks his continued membership of the Labour Party should be called into question.”

The leader of the Opposition at the National Assembly, Andrew RT Davies, said: “It is a great shame that Mr Williams’ disgraceful attack plays on the recent passing of a mother and grandmother.

“He is happy to aim his immature sights at two of the most successful politicians in living memory, yet it is hard to think of anything he or his union have ever achieved.

“It is also ironic that Prime Minister Thatcher attracted more votes from trade unionists than Labour did during her tenure in office.

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1 - I must say your first sentence would sound rather more convincing were it not for the OTT response that follows - methinks the lady doth protest too much.

 

2 - Although I'm sure many of us have been fortunate enough to have received good treatment from the NHS, the appalling Mid Staffs scandal did expose this organisations failings to all and sundry. What is more I strongly suspect examples of poor/unacceptable NHS practice will also be within the personal experience of many forum members reading this. Your questioning response to these (well known) failings being pointed out to you betrays a rather embarrassing level of naïveté regarding the true state of this nations public services.

 

3 - Your request that someone on here should betray the confidence of a family member in the employ of the NHS and identify the Hospital they work at - quite possibly placing her in a most difficult situation - is a yet another example of your naivety. If you really require further proof of NHS malpractice then you have already been provided with ample hard evidence from a reputable source, but here is some further reading for your education:

http://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/our-work/projects/francis-inquiry?gclid=CPfPvfnKw7YCFYjLtAodIWsAtQ

 

4 - Over the years I have encountered very few people who consider The Independent to be a "crap" newspaper. I must admit it is surprising that someone of your political leanings should think that. But please expand on your reasons for holding this view - I'm sure they will be most illuminating.

 

5 - The occasional employment of foreign terms that are both easily understandable and in common English usage is not generally considered to be a valid cause for hysterical offence! Calm down dear.

 

6 - You are right for once "cool and sophisticated" is indeed the target I like to aim at on here - aimed at but seldom hit alas. However given the tenor of your contributions to this forum I fear that is a depiction that is even less likely to be ever leveled at you.

 

Cor blimey, its back....

 

1. ‘methinks’, ‘doth’ ? Where do you think you are, the Oxford Uni debating chamber? This is a footy forum!

 

2. Poor attempt at misrepresenting a genuine question.

 

3. Still not really any of your business though is it. Clearly it’s up to Lord D – and I’m sure it’s within his ample wit and capability to anonymise his response. If you wouldn’t be clever enough to manage that, it’s hardly his problem.

 

4. I’ll admit that I assumed from your boorish (and boring) approach that you read The Express (at first I’d thought the Mail but quickly realised that would have been beyond you). So, yes, I’m surprised to hear you read The Indy – but not that you don’t seem able to accurately comprehend anything that doesn’t fit your prejudice. Perhaps The Express is the paper for you after all, or maybe even The Star?

 

5. If you think my response was hysterical offence, then again I suggest you have trouble with basic comprehension. I refer you to my earlier observation – there is no sting in your tail.

 

6. Rather than ‘cool and sophisticated’, perhaps you should try for ‘overambitious and limp’. Good luck – but I don’t think you’ll need it!!

 

‘Swat’

 

Buzz-off.

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6 - You are right for once "cool and sophisticated" is indeed the target I like to aim at on here - aimed at but seldom hit alas. However given the tenor of your contributions to this forum I fear that is a depiction that is even less likely to be ever leveled at you.

 

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Cor blimey, its back....

 

1. ‘methinks’, ‘doth’ ? Where do you think you are, the Oxford Uni debating chamber? This is a footy forum!

 

2. Poor attempt at misrepresenting a genuine question.

 

3. Still not really any of your business though is it. Clearly it’s up to Lord D – and I’m sure it’s within his ample wit and capability to anonymise his response. If you wouldn’t be clever enough to manage that, it’s hardly his problem.

 

4. I’ll admit that I assumed from your boorish (and boring) approach that you read The Express (at first I’d thought the Mail but quickly realised that would have been beyond you). So, yes, I’m surprised to hear you read The Indy – but not that you don’t seem able to accurately comprehend anything that doesn’t fit your prejudice. Perhaps The Express is the paper for you after all, or maybe even The Star?

 

5. If you think my response was hysterical offence, then again I suggest you have trouble with basic comprehension. I refer you to my earlier observation – there is no sting in your tail.

 

6. Rather than ‘cool and sophisticated’, perhaps you should try for ‘overambitious and limp’. Good luck – but I don’t think you’ll need it!!

 

‘Swat’

 

Buzz-off.

 

:lol: typical Guardian reader

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What's the problem? Blair is a war criminal with the blood of tens of thousands of innocent Iraq civilians on his hands plus our own troops.

 

I'll treat his death with utter contempt as well.

 

 

A small debate ensued with ms pap and I yesterday.

 

I said pretty much the same thing about Blair.

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A small debate ensued with ms pap and I yesterday.

 

I said pretty much the same thing about Blair.

 

He led our country into an illegal war based on lies and 1000s paid for his "conviction" with their lives.

 

He should be on trial in The Hague.

 

Whilst I despised Thatcher at least see sent men to war based on a truth and clearly felt the weight of that responsibility.

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He led our country into an illegal war based on lies and 1000s paid for his "conviction" with their lives.

 

He should be on trial in The Hague.

 

Whilst I despised Thatcher at least see sent men to war based on a truth and clearly felt the weight of that responsibility.

 

I suspect that much like Robin Cook, John Smith wouldn't have touched Iraq with a bargepole.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-22124015

 

A police officer who reportedly wrote on Twitter that he hoped Baroness Thatcher's death was "painful and degrading" has resigned.

Sgt Jeremy Scott of the Metropolitan Police is understood to have published a number of offensive messages since the former prime minister's death.

Sgt Scott is said to have claimed her death was "87 years too late" and added that the world was a "better place".

The Met described the comments as "completely unacceptable".

After the tweets were widely reported Sgt Scott took the matter to the Directorate of Professional Standards.

He then submitted his resignation before a police suspension over the incident came into force. It was accepted with immediate effect.

Sgt Scott had reportedly described news of the death as "marvellous stuff" and expressed a wish that the current prime minister, chancellor and home secretary were next.

Commander Allan Gibson said: "This officer's behaviour was completely unacceptable and it is right that he has resigned."

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CHAPEL END CHARLIE

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Cor blimey, its back....

 

1. ‘methinks’, ‘doth’ ? Where do you think you are ...

 

 

... sorry I must interrupt your semi amusing rant to say that I had hoped a new day would find you in a more agreeable mood and free from yesterdays little temper tantrums - yet another hope dashed!

 

As a point of order, can you please enlighten us as to your authority to issue edicts to other SWF members regarding how they allowed to express themselves? If common usage terms, and even well known quotations, are now deemed out of order then I must say the future of this forum looks very dull. I must also add that for a left winger your approach to debate is alarmingly fascist - but there again those two ideologies were always just different sides of the same coin.

 

The misunderstanding arises because I can distinctly recall you bragging on here (only a few weeks ago) about the many advantages of your top class polytechnic education. In the light of this important news one would have thought it reasonable therefore that you should be intellectually equipped to handle yourself on here. I must say that not only is it most disappointing to see that this is not the case, but this is also an indictment of standards in our further education establishments - I blame Thatcher.

 

But if the Bard is now considered beyond the pale by the nations youth then perhaps I should avoid overtaxing that high powered brain of yours and stick to the issue at hand. As you are apparently no longer calling for additional evidence re the failings of the NHS can we now take it that you accept the findings of the Francis Report and the wider implications that go along with it? While I'm sure we can all understand that it must be a serious setback to learn that your delightfully old fashioned 'state organised services = always good' mindset may not be all that you had thought it were, you really should know by now that shooting the messenger* is unlikely to help.

 

If there are any further matters you need my assistance with then don't hesitate to ask.

 

*Henry IV part II

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Why PAP, you've gone to so much effort and I didn't even know you cared - thank you kindly :D

 

I'm quite aware that in your little world, you probably think this was a canvas hand-delivered by auto-gyro from Geneva, then painstakingly put together by artisan craftsmen, scribed using calligraphers from the local monastery, before finally being delivered to me via a top-hatted man on a penny farthing.

 

In reality, it took me about a minute to find an appropriate "Charlie Says" image, about 6 minutes of dicking about in Paint.NET, 1 minute upload and 1 minute posting it. That's not even ten minutes of my time. Besides, like L'Oreal*, you're worth it.

 

* It's a shampoo. A bit like Vosene.

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I'm quite aware that in your little world, you probably think this was a canvas hand-delivered by auto-gyro from Geneva, then painstakingly put together by artisan craftsmen using calligraphers from the local monastery, before finally being delivered to me via a top-hatted man on a penny farthing.

 

In reality, it took me about a minute to find an appropriate "Charlie Says" image, about 6 minutes of dicking about in Paint.NET, 1 minute upload and 1 minute posting it. That's not even ten minutes of my time. Besides, like L'Oreal*, you're worth it.

 

* It's a shampoo. A bit like Vosene.

 

Oh come, come my little friend, it took you at least 30 minutes hard work and I appreciate the effort more that I can say.

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Oh come, come my little friend, it took you at least 30 minutes hard work and I appreciate the effort more that I can say.

 

I gave a frank estimation of my time, Chapel End Charlie - but it's irrelevant - I'll happily admit to being willing to spend more than 30 minutes on a skit like this, even on you. Just didn't do so on this occasion.

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I gave a frank estimation of my time, Chapel End Charlie - but it's irrelevant - I'll happily admit to being willing to spend more than 30 minutes on a skit like this, even on you. Just didn't do so on this occasion.

 

Now you keep on implying that you don't like me, but I think todays selfless effort to amuse me proves that you secretly do. So I'm taking this as a watershed moment in our (sometimes troubled) relationship and I now fully expect that before very long we will become the best of forum friends.

 

XXX

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Now you keep on implying that you don't like me, but I think todays selfless effort to amuse me proves that you secretly do. So I'm taking this as a watershed moment in our (sometimes troubled) relationship and I now fully expect that before very long we will become the best of forum friends.

 

XXX

 

It always goes down like this. Someone has a row with me in the manner of one of them young tearaways from Home & Away, and just like Pippa and Mike(?), I sort 'em out.

 

After a while they become reformed forum citizens.

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no offences i just wanted to find out how long it took to do a papture. 16 mins yo!

 

Brilliant, although you shouldn't have drawn the cock if you'd wanted to avoid offence.

 

Literally crying with laughter here (no sarcasm guarantee).

 

:)

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It always goes down like this. Someone has a row with me in the manner of one of them young tearaways from Home & Away, and just like Pippa and Mike(?), I sort 'em out.

 

After a while they become reformed forum citizens.

 

Buddy I've seen the light!

 

The next time I step out of line and express some horrid old right of centre opinion on here you just let me know and I'll consider myself told off.

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Well however long it took it was certainly worth the effort. I must say it's the best laugh - at myself - I've had on here for ages and a clear indication of the hidden talent you will often find on this forum.

 

Viva Pap!

 

Blimey. Running out of enemies fast.

 

Fair play, Charlie. Goes to show that sometimes, a picture can avoid a thousand words.

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What a sad society we have become . She was a politician . But she was a mother. I feel some our society have lost the plot with their evil comments about. mT . The bbc are total ****s how they can play the wicked witch is dead is so disrespectful. How would the dj like it if we said we hope their mother burns in hell

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John Boy, no fear I am here, as ever watching..................

People who celebrate her death are being disrespectful and I do see that but at the same time maybe the thatcherites could try and see it from the other perspective?

I am not going to celebrate her death, I wont be sad either, why should I be?

I also think its highly ironic a woman so celebrated for promoting freedom of speech has had in effect a D-Notice suppressing a song, something I think she would of found amusing and also something I think she would of fought to have been allowed.

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Just a hunch, but I'm guessing Starkey does a wee bit of research into the subjects he covers rather than basing his documentaries on a few Daily Mirror headlines...

 

Funny that, as well as being discriminatory you are hypocritical as well as you used a paper ( it is paper that can not be argued) to try and make a point a little up here, tut tut.......

 

Carry on.

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Funny that, as well as being discriminatory you are hypocritical as well as you used a paper ( it is paper that can not be argued) to try and make a point a little up here, tut tut.......

 

Carry on.

 

Try stopping me. There's plenty more drivel where that came from.

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Can David Starkey not do historical documentaries?

I was no fan of Mrs T, but I find the sight of a load of kids, who probably that think that Churchill is an insurance dog, jumping up and down at "Death Parties", band-wagon jumping at best. I find no problem with people with strong justified views against the policies of the three-times democratically elected Prime Minister, venting their spleen, but is this really morally the best we can do? I suffered redundancy during the time that she was PM but "Ding Ding the Witch is Dead"? I have bigger worries and concerns in my life to get to worked up about her passing

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Is organising "Death Parties" the most constructive model for voicing a viewpoint?

 

 

 

A death party for someone last in power twenty three years and a mere FIVE general elections ago is not a "political viewpoint".

 

Just vile behaviour by utter scum.

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Apple, presumably. Slightly over egging the "world's largest" tag, though.

 

Yep; I guess the geezer that wrote that tweet was exaggerating to illustrate a point - some see it as a tad ironic to see the free market principles that Thatcher epitomised encapsulated in the quest to get a protest song to the top of the charts. There was a rumour flying around that it's ultimately Rupert Murdoch that owns the rights to the song but I can't find anything to substantiate that.

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