Saint Garrett Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 Which is in contrast to their rabid and vitriolic match thread earlier in the season - now Adkins who supposedly winds everyone up has gone, perhaps there's a bit more 'respect'. And, of course, we play football the right way. But no doubt their 'respect' is partly opportunistic. Fact is -once again- we're higher than them in the league, we're the top promoted team. And regardless whether they ultimately finish higher than us, the gap won't be as large as they were boldly and smugly claiming in October. So yeh, they've piped down. But if we were well below them in the relegation zone, no doubt, they would have been talking up this game more and relishing the opportunity to help send us down. This, plus their arrogance is tuned down a bit due to them not being favourites for this game. They know we've been playing really well and deep down I would expect a lot of them are expecting a loss as we're far superior to them man for man.
Minty Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 But then...... you'd really have to say Lallana's one-two with Jay Rod, followedby tucking away to score at Reading was also darned impressive...... Of course Tony, along with much of our recent play - I was simply highlighting it because we were talking about Carroll...
Turkish Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 This, plus their arrogance is tuned down a bit due to them not being favourites for this game. They know we've been playing really well and deep down I would expect a lot of them are expecting a loss as we're far superior to them man for man. accusing other clubs fans of being arrogant whilst at the same time claiming we are far superior man for man to a team we are level on points with. You couldn't make it up could you.
Saint Garrett Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 accusing other clubs fans of being arrogant whilst at the same time claiming we are far superior man for man to a team we are level on points with. You couldn't make it up could you. We are though? The only player that could get in our side would be maybe Tomkins or Reid...possibly Jarvis but personally think Lallana and Puncheon are both better.
Jones91 Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 accusing other clubs fans of being arrogant whilst at the same time claiming we are far superior man for man to a team we are level on points with. You couldn't make it up could you. i reckon since poch has come in our players have actually shown what they're capable of, and thats proved in our recent upturn in form that we actually are superior man to man to west ham when all of our players are on form
Wiggles31 Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 I think we genuinely think have more talented players than them save for one or two of their players (Diame, Tomkins etc).
Faz Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 I think we genuinely think have more talented players than them save for one or two of their players (Diame, Tomkins etc). Yeah, Diame, Tomkins & Reid. That's it. ..........and Nolan But that's definitely it.
Jack Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 Yeah, Diame, Tomkins & Reid. That's it. ..........and Nolan But that's definitely it. Kevin Nolan would not get in our side.
pingwing Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 Kevin Nolan would not get in our side. We always need ball boys these days...
Saint Garrett Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 Lol Nolan. He's abysmal. Even WHU fans don't rate him.
Turkish Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 We are though? The only player that could get in our side would be maybe Tomkins or Reid...possibly Jarvis but personally think Lallana and Puncheon are both better. Well they must have a better manager then. The much maligned BFS has worked miracles getting a side with such dire players, ones that are so bad only one or two of them might possibly at a push get into our side. He's worked wonders getting a team so low on quality to level points with superb, red hot, unstoppable Saints. All nail Allerdynce the wonder manager.
Saint Garrett Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 Had a good start yes, difficult to break down, play negative football will get you draws. 'Percentage football' will get you a few goals. Wouldn't call him a good manager or their players good though. Many poor teams in the division this year....and anyway I said our players are better like for like. Doesn't make them more effective against some oppositions....!!! This forum is far better now you're not on here as much anymore!
Matthew Le God Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 Turkish Registered User o Wow, my dream came true.
Bearsy Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 I guess that makes you winner MLG! Turkish throws in towel and cravenly retreats to registered offenders list. End of an era yo!
Tokyo-Saint Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 Hi MLG I guess Turkish has run out of posts so you are free to mug him off. Why don't you stop spamming up the mainly bored with your Turks video and come over the muppet show for a Turks is dead celebration thread? Make your first MS thread a good one.
tajjuk Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 Had a good start yes, difficult to break down, play negative football will get you draws. 'Percentage football' will get you a few goals. Wouldn't call him a good manager or their players good though. Many poor teams in the division this year....and anyway I said our players are better like for like. Doesn't make them more effective against some oppositions....!!! This forum is far better now you're not on here as much anymore! He used two of his three posts so he must have been really miffed by those comments. Seeing as CB Fry seems to love championing West Ham he might take up Turkish's mantle in this? There is a difference between taking individual players and a team, West Ham as a team are probably better than the sum of their parts and that's mainly due to Fat Sam, he plays 'percentage' football and they are well drilled, fit and work hard. That can go a long way to being an effective team. However taking man for man out of their line up I think we have the more talented team which is probably why we play a less direct more technical style of football. Defensively though West Ham are probably more solid than us. You make a good point as well about our start, with players adapting to the league and key players missing it's not really a true reflection of our team but sadly it's dragged us down the league and the reality is we are currently on par wit the Hammers. Hopefully we will win Satruday and finish above West Ham which will prove we are the better team.
Turkish Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 Had a good start yes, difficult to break down, play negative football will get you draws. 'Percentage football' will get you a few goals. Wouldn't call him a good manager or their players good though. Many poor teams in the division this year....and anyway I said our players are better like for like. Doesn't make them more effective against some oppositions....!!! This forum is far better now you're not on here as much anymore! So what do you think it is that has enabled this poor team with terrible players and a crap manager to over achieve so much and perform equally as well as redhot, brilliant, unstoppable saints with our team of should be internationals and superstars over 32 games? I mean, they beat us easily earlier in the season as well too didn't they. I notice you give them credit for getting draws with their negative football, yet they have more points this season than games played, how can this be when negative football only gets draws? they dont have a good manager, they dont have good players, what's the secret? They are doing something right aren't they.
Olallana Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 He used two of his three posts so he must have been really miffed by those comments. Seeing as CB Fry seems to love championing West Ham he might take up Turkish's mantle in this? There is a difference between taking individual players and a team, West Ham as a team are probably better than the sum of their parts and that's mainly due to Fat Sam, he plays 'percentage' football and they are well drilled, fit and work hard. That can go a long way to being an effective team. However taking man for man out of their line up I think we have the more talented team which is probably why we play a less direct more technical style of football. Defensively though West Ham are probably more solid than us. You make a good point as well about our start, with players adapting to the league and key players missing it's not really a true reflection of our team but sadly it's dragged us down the league and the reality is we are currently on par wit the Hammers. Hopefully we will win Satruday and finish above West Ham which will prove we are the better team. Agree 100%. But I think their type of football only get´s you that far. They will always stay up with that football but I think the highest they can achieve is about 8th or 9th spot in the table and never go higher, but are more probable to end up between 11-14th place every year. And this year their goalkeeper has really saved them 5-6 "unearned" points, but thats what a good GK can give you.
Crowds Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 Lol Nolan. He's abysmal. Even WHU fans don't rate him. You know here score a cheeky tap in now!! And do that ****e celebration!!
Saint Garrett Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 Agree 100%. But I think their type of football only get´s you that far. They will always stay up with that football but I think the highest they can achieve is about 8th or 9th spot in the table and never go higher, but are more probable to end up between 11-14th place every year. And this year their goalkeeper has really saved them 5-6 "unearned" points, but thats what a good GK can give you. Jaaskeleinen isn't great though, he has had some good games. Good shot stopper but thats about it. It could be argued that West Ham were better than us at the start of the season, but we have no surpassed them as our players have got to grips with this league and players have got fit. Saturday will give us a good idea from that, but I'd say we're now better than them, and play much more positive football. However at the start of the season we we're playing 'positive football' without really doing anything with the ball, and at times it was more 'gung ho' than positive and we put ourselves into the sh!t. Our back four is now pretty much settled, Clyne has improved considerably as the season has gone on, as has Yoshi. Cork is now fit who was so important to our promotion season last year, and has been incredibly important this season since he's come in. It's also boosted Morgans performances as well IMO. JRod is now causing problems to some of the best defences in the country, and Lallana has actually learned how to give the full back some cover. Surely you cannot realistically think they are so much better than us ?
tajjuk Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 (edited) Agree 100%. But I think their type of football only get´s you that far. They will always stay up with that football but I think the highest they can achieve is about 8th or 9th spot in the table and never go higher, but are more probable to end up between 11-14th place every year. And this year their goalkeeper has really saved them 5-6 "unearned" points, but thats what a good GK can give you. It does, hence why a few clubs have dispensed with Fat Sam after a few years because it doesn't look like they've made much progress, a few like Bolton and Blackburn to their detriment, but they've done it because he does one season teams, gets a few experienced pros in, plays fairly direct football and concentrates mainly on ebing hard to beat. A good strategy to stay in the league, not so good to push up it, pretty much the same reason Stoke have declined over the last few years. He doesn't try to imporve youngsters or bring them into the team and his buys are usually for the then and now rather with an eye to the future. I suppose it depends if you want to accept your lot and finish mid table or gamble a bit more for progress. Hence probably why Turkish will laud him and West Ham because he's doing an effective job of keeping them in the league with the 'premiership experience' players some people on here claimed we should ahve signed. If i remember correctly quite a few on here were drooling over West Ham and how they had approached the league this year in contrast with us, those comparisons have got less and less over the season as our buys have improved whilst West Ham's have been pretty much the same, fairly average do a job players in an average do a job team. Even if we finsih below West Ham this year I reckon our team will naturally improve next year where as West Ham's will probably be pretty similar. Edited 11 April, 2013 by tajjuk
Olallana Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 Jaaskeleinen isn't great though, he has had some good games. Good shot stopper but thats about it. It could be argued that West Ham were better than us at the start of the season, but we have no surpassed them as our players have got to grips with this league and players have got fit. Saturday will give us a good idea from that, but I'd say we're now better than them, and play much more positive football. However at the start of the season we we're playing 'positive football' without really doing anything with the ball, and at times it was more 'gung ho' than positive and we put ourselves into the sh!t. Our back four is now pretty much settled, Clyne has improved considerably as the season has gone on, as has Yoshi. Cork is now fit who was so important to our promotion season last year, and has been incredibly important this season since he's come in. It's also boosted Morgans performances as well IMO. JRod is now causing problems to some of the best defences in the country, and Lallana has actually learned how to give the full back some cover. Surely you cannot realistically think they are so much better than us ? No, I dont think they are better than us at all in the long run. I agreed with Tajjuk´s post that they are more solid defensively and plays the percentage football, but as I said it will only take them "that far". And by my estimate that is at the best over a season 8-9th in the table but more normal years they end up 11-14th with that brand of football. I think we will leave them behind us the coming years, but this year they started out better than us and that´s why they are on the same points as us now.....Take away the first 10 games and you probably see the difference between us and them, but as some people now will say if I dont, the 10 first games of a season counts too..... I dont rate Jaaskeleinen either really, but it would be wrong to say that he hasn´t saved them in games this year and good for them.
Sour Mash Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 It does, hence why a few clubs have dispensed with Fat Sam after a few years because it doesn't look like they've made much progress, a few like Bolton and Blackburn to their detriment, but they've done it because he does one season teams, gets a few experienced pros in, plays fairly direct football and concentrates mainly on ebing hard to beat. A good strategy to stay in the league, not so good to push up it, pretty much the same reason Stoke have declined over the last few years. He doesn't try to imporve youngsters or bring them into the team and his buys are usually for the then and now rather with an eye to the future. I suppose it depends if you want to accept your lot and finish mid table or gamble a bit more for progress. Hence probably why Turkish will laud him and West Ham because he's doing an effective job of keeping them in the league with the 'premiership experience' players some people on here claimed we should ahve signed. If i remember correctly quite a few on here were drooling over West Ham and how they had approached the league this year in contrast with us, those comparisons have got less and less over the season as our buys have improved whilst West Ham's have been pretty much the same, fairly average do a job players in an average do a job team. Even if we finsih below West Ham this year I reckon our team will naturally improve next year where as West Ham's will probably be pretty similar. I'm certainly not a fan of Allardyce, but that is a pretty strange and inaccurate re-writing of his managerial career.
Scoobysaint Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 Really can't see any result other than a Saints win, possibly by a number of goals. This is not arrogance, merely a statement based on how well we have been playing. The only issue will be cutting out Fat Sams set play system. Don't give them any free kicks then they won't create too many chances. So long as somebody tracks Nolans run when looking for mistakes we'll be fine. Far too much quality, style and panache all over the pitch for the hoofball Hammers. Saints 4 - 1 West Ham Lambert 2 Jrod 1 Ramirez 1
Pilchards Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 My fear is West Ham are very much like Newcastle, We will press them from the very beginning like we have done against Everton, Chelsea and Liverpool. If we don't take the early goal then they will grind us down and knick a goal by hitting us on the break. Whoever get's the early goal wins.... It's either Saints 1 West Ham 2 or Saints 3 West Ham 1
Olallana Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 Tony Cottee on the game.... http://www.london24.com/sport/west-ham/west_ham_s_tony_cottee_column_southampton_and_the_hammers_would_take_a_point_on_saturday_1_2013220 When you look at the three promoted clubs, Southampton had the strikers and West Ham had that little bit more class, but Reading always looked likely to struggle [/Quote]
Saint Garrett Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 Tony Cottee on the game.... http://www.london24.com/sport/west-ham/west_ham_s_tony_cottee_column_southampton_and_the_hammers_would_take_a_point_on_saturday_1_2013220 Hahahaaa!!! Very much coming from someone who clearly didn't watch the two teams last season then ! Even West Ham fans would probably agree they grinded out promotion and we were very much the 'class' team. I do very much agree with Pilchards. First goal will decide it, we can't give them something to hold on to. We get an early first goal and it could be a rout, but if not, they could easily nick a goal or two.
Colinjb Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 On the basis of us winning 4 in a row being very unlikely. I'm going for a draw on Saturday.
benjii Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 On the basis of us winning 4 in a row being very unlikely. I'm going for a draw on Saturday. You misunderstand probability.
Minty Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 You misunderstand probability. But he understands Saints...!
Colinjb Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 You misunderstand probability. If only Saints and Football worked on probabilities.
Colinjb Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 But he understands Saints...! Probably the biggest compliment that can be given on this site, much obliged! I'll pay you later....
ericofarabia Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 On the basis of us winning 4 in a row being very unlikely. I'm going for a draw on Saturday. Based on the fact that I'll be watch ing the game down the Beach bar, means a draw at the best Only seen 1 of the last 4 home games ... Qpr.
Saint Charlie Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 Carroll confirmed by SA as being fit to play but Noble, Joe Cole, Winston Reid and McCartney won't be back in time.
Pilchards Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 So Fox pushes Lallana and he never comes back into the picture again? That's him out injured with a groin strain I guess
Saint Garrett Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 Carroll confirmed by SA as being fit to play but Noble, Joe Cole, Winston Reid and McCartney won't be back in time. McCartney is absolutely dreadful, Id put him in a 'worse than box' bracket...
SuperSAINT Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 As a fan of MMA, I can tell you that Mayuka's take-down ability (1.00 minute in on the video) on the video sucks. Still think it's going to be a tricky game, this. We had some tough battles with them last year and this will be no different. 3pts and premier league safety would be a damn good birthday present!
Cabrone Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 If we play at our best and they play at their best we should win. Hopefully a good spanking at SMS, an equally big spanking against Man Utd, a streaky loss against Wigan and a pummeling at City will get their nerves jangling. Hugely unlikely but it's a nice thought.
trousers Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 http://www.whufc.com/articles/20130411/big-sam-on-southampton_2236884_3140188 Sam Allardyce is plotting to spoil Southampton's party, as the Saints go in search of a fourth successive Barclays Premier League win when West Ham United visit St Mary's on Saturday.The Hammers are bolstered by the return of Andy Carroll, but Big Sam is setting his sights on another sound defensive display, after Sunday's shutout at Anfield. West Ham's boss is still revelling in the weekend's resolute rearguard action and insists a repeat performance would lay the foundations for a second postive away day in as many weeks. Firstly Sam, prospects for Saturday's game, is Andy Carroll fit? SA: "Andy was always fit, it was only the loan system that doesn't allow him to play against his parent club, so he's available. Winston Reid, George McCartney, Mark Noble and Joe Cole are all still missing, which is obviously something we have to overcome again. As we did against Liverpool. We were missing those four and Andy Carroll, so I thought it was a tremendous performance and unlike Brendan Rodgers says, I thought we did try and win the game. We always tried to win the game and in the last throws of the game we had several opportunities to maybe try and win it. In saying that, it was a great performance from us and we've got to try and keep that up at a very in-form Southampton on Saturday. A good defensive display at Liverpool as well, that was the key wasn't it? SA: "Every key-note performance comes from solid defending. The team that generally defends the best in the league wins the league, not the one that scores the most goals. So, it's always been an imperative part of everyone's game as a manager, or as a coach. It doesn't get talked about as much as attacking or trying to create chances, which is obviously very important because you've got to score a goal to win it, but being solid defensively gave us the basis to try and break out and create some chances and try to score when we had the opportunity." Andy Carroll at one end and Rickie Lambert at the other, how do you see that shaping up? SA: "Well I've got to pick Andy first. Whether I'm going to select him or keep Carlton Cole in is a little dilemma because I thought Carlton did ever so well last week. I suppose had Carlton scored, I'd have definitely kept him but he didn't. "We just have to make sure that we perform as we did against Liverpool. I think that's the key element for us. Southampton, having won the last three on the trot has given them a tremendous boost and virtually put them safe like ourselves. Nine points in three games, when you're struggling at the bottom and have been for most of the season is a pretty dramatic turnaround. So they will be full of confidence. The fans will be expecting to beat us, there's no doubt about that, after they've just beaten Liverpool and Chelsea at home. I think we'll just be the next step on the ladder for them to beat. I thought the Liverpool fans probably thought they were turning up and going to beat us last week, so we'll hopefully spoil Southampton's party as well." This is an opportunity for both sides to reach the magic 40 point mark, would you call this the game that will definitely make you safe? SA: "If we win it, I think so. I know mathematically people will say we can still be caught and somebody could still overtake us but I find it difficult to believe that anybody would. Over the 20 odd years there are only a few cases of teams going down with 40 but it has been a long time since that was actually the case." Jay Rodriguez has had a great three games scoring in each, is he the dangerman for you? SA: "Lambert and Rodriguez without a doubt, and Lallana if he plays, all three of them have mastered the challenge of the Premier League brilliantly. Their skills and abilities have been shown in abundance. To be honest with you, Lambert has been doing it right from the very start. He has scored goals in every division he has played in now, which is a magnificent achievement. "Rodriguez, of course, having had time to settle from Burnley, has shown the sort of goalscoring form that he managed at Burnley before. Lallana has always been a good player in my eyes, so that's a very dangerous front three, if those three play. So we'll need to be as good defensively as were against Liverpool." A lot of people are talking about there being a more pressing game under Pochettino? SA: "At home, yes, I think so. I think that at home, we all want to use a pressing game, because it creates a much more active and quicker game that fans want to see at home. They don't want to see us playing with a slow tempo and a slow build up in the Premier League. Certainly when you're the home team, the emphasis is on you, so actually pressing high up the pitch is a good way to get the players on a high tempo and then of course get the fans cheering for the team. It's about coping with that and having the ability to cope with that."
trousers Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 @solentsport: Slight concern for #Saintsfc camp - Rodriguez, Shaw & Puncheon all doubts for Saturday due to illness
Saint Garrett Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 (edited) @SouthamptonFC: Mauricio Pochettino: "I am comfortable with how the team is playing, but a manager is never really relaxed." #saintsfc @SouthamptonFC: MP: "It's a really big game against @whufc_official. We're aware that they are a very strong team, fitness-wise and physically." #saintsfc @SouthamptonFC: MP: "We've watched the video of our game against them earlier in the season, and we've analysed their last five games." #saintsfc @SouthamptonFC: MP on Jay Rodriguez: "All players need time to develop their game, and realise what emotional spark gets the best out of them." #saintsfc @SouthamptonFC: MP: "In the two months that I've been here, I think Jay Rodriguez has developed a lot. He has great potential." #saintsfc @SouthamptonFC: MP: "Getting one victory is amazing, but to get four would be out of this world. It would be good news for everyone connected to this club." @SouthamptonFC: MP: "We want to win the maximum number of points between now and the end of the season to finish as high as possible." #saintsfc @SouthamptonFC: MP: "With the change from winter to 'less winter', some players have struggled to adapt. They have bugs so they might be a doubt." #saintsfc Edited 11 April, 2013 by Saint Garrett
Jones91 Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 for f*ck sake man up they cant be out due to illness seriously
Dig Dig Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 @solentsport: Slight concern for #Saintsfc camp - Rodriguez, Shaw & Puncheon all doubts for Saturday due to illness Rodriguez would be a big miss due to his recent form. Puncheon we can win without but as usual, Fox coming in is the greatest concern.
trousers Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 @SouthamptonFC: MP: "With the change from winter to 'less winter', some players have struggled to adapt. They have bugs so they might be a doubt." #saintsfc
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 11 April, 2013 Posted 11 April, 2013 @solentsport: Slight concern for #saintsfc camp - rodriguez, shaw & puncheon all doubts for saturday due to illness ffs!!
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