Saint Garrett Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 (edited) Fact is we didn't play badly there - were the better team in the first half. They were b*****ks. We conceded a poor goal virtually from kick off; but even then, after we got the score back to 2-1, we were the more likely to get the next goal *****il Fonte couldn't resist having a yank at the gypo's ponytail). Even the stats show we dominated possession and had more chances. Not a 4-1 game, that's for sure. No I agree but we 'dominated possession' in our half and did bugger all with it. Edited 9 April, 2013 by Saint Garrett
shurlock Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 No I agree but we 'domminated possession' in our half and did bugger all with it. Agree and reckon its one of the biggest differences between NA and MP. MP wouldn't let us get away with stat-massaging, possession for possession's sake.
Graffito Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 No I agree but we 'dominated possession' in our half and did bugger all with it. Fact is we didn't play badly there - were the better team in the first half. They were b*****ks. We conceded a poor goal virtually from kick off; but even then, after we got the score back to 2-1, we were the more likely to get the next goal *****il Fonte couldn't resist having a yank at the gypo's ponytail). Even the stats show we dominated possession and had more chances. Not a 4-1 game, that's for sure. Poor game. We handed it to them on a plate. Defensive errors in all of their goals, though Diame's was a good finish. Yoshida at left back. Lambert dropped to the bench. I hope the players take the attitude that they need to put that result to bed by a much improved performance on Saturday.
shurlock Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 They've always been a bit precious haven't they. Wish somebody could dig up their forum discussion in the buildup to the first game - they were frothing at the gash to beat us. The fixation seemed pretty one way to me.
scotty Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 Think you're getting a bit carried away now. They don't play the best football in the world, but they're nowhere near as bad as some are making out. Well, thats an opinion. Mine differs somewhat, they are right down there with Pulisball imho. They wont go down this season though.
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 Out of interest, when was the last time we won 4 in a row in the top flight? Or went 4 unbeaten?
Sour Mash Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 Out of interest' date=' when was the last time we won 4 in a row in the top flight? Or went 4 unbeaten?[/quote'] 4 unbeaten in the top flight, January 2013.....(think it was 6 we managed).
Sour Mash Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 Out of interest' date=' when was the last time we won 4 in a row in the top flight? Or went 4 unbeaten?[/quote'] Last time we won 4 in a row in the top flight Jan/Feb 2001, 5 in a row. Who needs MLG!
Dalek2003 Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 Last time we won 4 in a row in the top flight Jan/Feb 2001, 5 in a row. Who needs MLG! Who was the manager at the time ?
Sour Mash Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 Who was the manager at the time ? Ian Branfoot I think.
Dalek2003 Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 Ian Branfoot I think. Really ? Didn't realise he presided over one of our most successful periods in the premiership. Maybe we should have asked him back in 2004.....but er no, we went for that successful League 1 manager that was just recently sacked from the mighty Southend.
Window Cleaner Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 Agree and reckon its one of the biggest differences between NA and MP. MP wouldn't let us get away with stat-massaging, possession for possession's sake. MP likes stats, big part of his planning apparently.
Leicestersaint Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 I just hope we don't play like we did against QPR. Our biggest enemy is complacency. There is no doubt we should beat them.
Tom8558 Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 Who was the manager at the time ? Please don't feed the troll We won 6 in a row in 1991/92 under Ian Branfoot, having been in real trouble going into March. Does Dalek want him back? I seem to remember that this was a record at the time. We lost the 7th game at home to Nottingham Forest. All I remember from that game is Franny taking out Stuart Pearce in front of the East Stand, and waiting for Pearce to exact retribution. Which he did.
scotty Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 Our biggest enemy is complacency. There is no doubt we should beat them. Carlsberg dont do irony, but if they did.......
SaltashSaint Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 So looking forward to this one - this is going to be my five-year-old son's first ever Saints game! I just hope the trip up from Cornwall is worth it. I fancy us to win this one 2-1.
Dalek2003 Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 Please don't feed the troll We won 6 in a row in 1991/92 under Ian Branfoot, having been in real trouble going into March. Does Dalek want him back? I seem to remember that this was a record at the time. We lost the 7th game at home to Nottingham Forest. All I remember from that game is Franny taking out Stuart Pearce in front of the East Stand, and waiting for Pearce to exact retribution. Which he did. Whatever.....you cannot change history can you ?
Wiggles31 Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 So looking forward to this one - this is going to be my five-year-old son's first ever Saints game! I just hope the trip up from Cornwall is worth it. I fancy us to win this one 2-1. Ah the first game. Always a memorable one. My first game age 5 I made my dad leave early and he missed Le Tissier blast that late free kick in against Villa. He didn't bring me again for a few seasons! Hope you have better luck!!
Dalek2003 Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 We cannot afford to lose this one. Think both clubs would settle for a draw. A point edges us closer to safety, although I think we will need 41 to 43 points to be sure.
shirleysfc Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 We cannot afford to lose this one. Think both clubs would settle for a draw. A point edges us closer to safety, although I think we will need 41 to 43 points to be sure. Still on for the yoyo then?
Roger Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 Whatever.....you cannot change history can you ? Yes dalek, the same manager who left le tiss cruelly out if England team and who said that being disabled was paying for sins in previous life. The same manager who walked out on us to go to spurs. Yes he did brilliant with us in the short time he was here, however, his managerial history suggests it wouldn't have lasted and his big Achilles heel has always been signing players. With us was rosler, draper, tahar.
Pilchards Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 Yes dalek, the same manager who left le tiss cruelly out if England team and who said that being disabled was paying for sins in previous life. The same manager who walked out on us to go to spurs. Yes he did brilliant with us in the short time he was here, however, his managerial history suggests it wouldn't have lasted and his big Achilles heel has always been signing players. With us was rosler, draper, tahar. Hear hear!!
Dalek2003 Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 Yes dalek, the same manager who left le tiss cruelly out if England team and who said that being disabled was paying for sins in previous life. The same manager who walked out on us to go to spurs. Yes he did brilliant with us in the short time he was here, however, his managerial history suggests it wouldn't have lasted and his big Achilles heel has always been signing players. With us was rosler, draper, tahar. Just one thing, if all teams adopted the moral high ground many of today's managers would never have been appointed. Football is a business and one has to gauge how far you bend in order to ensure the clubs future. I suppose the most controversial is that of Sunderland, but can't believe Hoddle was on that scale ? Maybe you disagree.
Matthew Le God Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 Yes dalek, the same manager who left le tiss cruelly out if England team and who said that being disabled was paying for sins in previous life. The same manager who walked out on us to go to spurs. Yes he did brilliant with us in the short time he was here, however, his managerial history suggests it wouldn't have lasted and his big Achilles heel has always been signing players. With us was rosler, draper, tahar. Has Dalek2003 ever come close to responding to all of those points?
Dalek2003 Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 Has Dalek2003 ever come close to responding to all of those points? Yes, and as far the most contentious, Hoddle was wrong in his remarks about disabled people. He rightly lost his England job, but I believe he publicly apologised and moved on. My real point has always been about the episode in 2004 when the failure to appoint Hoddle was made all the more critical over the disastrous appointment of Sturrock, a manager who was clearly out of his depth. I would not have minded had we appointed a better manager, because the appointment of Sturrock set off a chain reaction that ultimately took us down. In fact the appointment of Sturrock makes me wonder whether it was part of an intentional act to punish the vocal minority for their opposition to Hoddle. The tragedy was, that the vast majority of SFC fans could see that Hoddle was the logical choice and would have welcomed him back. Indeed, I guess that with a few wins under his belt, opposition would have soon faded away.
Saint Garrett Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 He was manager over 10 years ago. Get over it! This is the West Ham Build up thread...whats it got to do with this game? It's worked out for the best in the end so who cares.
Dalek2003 Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 He was manager over 10 years ago. Get over it! This is the West Ham Build up thread...whats it got to do with this game? It's worked out for the best in the end so who cares. I agree it was over 10 years ago and it is history. However, that does not make it any less interesting or relevant in terms of the history of the club.
Saint Garrett Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 Interesting for you maybe...really quite dull and repetitive for the rest of us. I respect your opinon that you think we should have got him back in 2004, but to keep going no about it in 2013 is just quite frankly boring.
Minty Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 West Ham Clubcall reporting that Carroll has a virus and so is a doubt for the game. Given it's only Weds, I would expect him to recover and play, but would be useful if he was out IMO.
Matthew Le God Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 West Ham Clubcall reporting that Carroll has a virus and so is a doubt for the game. Given it's only Weds, I would expect him to recover and play. Thats your medical opinion is it? Without seeing the patient or knowing what the virus is or when it started.
Saint Garrett Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 Would expect him to play. Cole always seems to cause us problems...not sure who I'd rather played. I guess it depends how the game goes. With Vaz Te, Diame, Jarvis and Cole they have pace to cause us problems on the break. Carroll has the touch of a rapist.
100%Red&White Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 I agree it was over 10 years ago and it is history. However, that does not make it any less interesting or relevant in terms of the history of the club. Interesting for you maybe...really quite dull and repetitive for the rest of us. I respect your opinon that you think we should have got him back in 2004, but to keep going no about it in 2013 is just quite frankly boring*. *freaky/obsessive/sad/lame wind-up West Ham Clubcall reporting that Carroll has a virus and so is a doubt for the game. Given it's only Weds, I would expect him to recover and play, but would be useful if he was out IMO. If it's a genuine virus then he'd probably still be feeling the effects of it come Saturday, would they risk a jaded Carroll? Or it could just be the usual mindgames.
Pilchards Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 West Ham Clubcall reporting that Carroll has a virus and so is a doubt for the game. Given it's only Weds, I would expect him to recover and play, but would be useful if he was out IMO. Needs a lemsip.
hypochondriac Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 Thats your medical opinion is it? Without seeing the patient or knowing what the virus is or when it started. Why are you such a bellend? It's clearly an opinion.
Minty Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 Thats your medical opinion is it? Without seeing the patient or knowing what the virus is or when it started. It's clearly my personal opinion and a gut feeling, but thanks for trying to micro-analyse it and adding something worthwhile to the thread.
Minty Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 If it's a genuine virus then he'd probably still be feeling the effects of it come Saturday, would they risk a jaded Carroll? Or it could just be the usual mindgames. Thanks for showing Matthew Le God how to engage in reasonable conversation, and how to challenge my opinion, without making yourself look a bit silly. You're absolutely right, it might still affect him... depends what it is, and clearly Clubcall won't know either - it may not even be a virus, it may be some other illness... I find these things often get reported under a blanket term which can be misleading. Would they risk him? Again my gut says they might - and that Carroll himself would want to play - but we'll see.
Saint Garrett Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 It won't effect his ability to fall over everytime the ball goes near him anyway.
Window Cleaner Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 It won't effect his ability to fall over everytime the ball goes near him anyway. probably just scared of Artur anyway.
Saint Charlie Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 I agree with MLG and will be watch Sam Allardyce's pre match presser in full via West Ham player to see if he mentions when Carroll started feeling ill.
Olallana Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 Would expect him to play. Cole always seems to cause us problems...not sure who I'd rather played. I guess it depends how the game goes. With Vaz Te, Diame, Jarvis and Cole they have pace to cause us problems on the break. Carroll has the touch of a rapist. That´s brilliant, can I borrow that one?
Minty Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 It won't effect his ability to fall over everytime the ball goes near him anyway. Judging by their match thread on KUMB (in which they actually have a lot of respect for our recent form and results, and aren't at all 'arrogant fans' like so many of us apparently think they are), West Ham fans are fully expecting Lallana to fall over every time the ball goes near him, so we'll call it quits.
Minty Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 I agree with MLG and will be watch Sam Allardyce's pre match presser in full via West Ham player to see if he mentions when Carroll started feeling ill. But will that be Sam's *medical* opinion? If not, it doesn't count.
Saint Garrett Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 I hope we win from a pen from a Lallana dive
Appy Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 Judging by their match thread on KUMB (in which they actually have a lot of respect for our recent form and results, and aren't at all 'arrogant fans' like so many of us apparently think they are), West Ham fans are fully expecting Lallana to fall over every time the ball goes near him, so we'll call it quits. To be fair, they have a point, Lallana's dive at Upton Park last year was embarrassing.
Minty Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 To be fair, they have a point, Lallana's dive at Upton Park last year was embarrassing. Yeah, 'twas not great - but the point is the same - we are both judging the other teams' players on the very little we've actually seen of them! Have to say, Carroll's turn and volley goal last week was pretty impressive.
Saint Garrett Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 Yeah, 'twas not great - but the point is the same - we are both judging the other teams' players on the very little we've actually seen of them! Have to say, Carroll's turn and volley goal last week was pretty impressive. Certainly was a quality goal.
Appy Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 Yeah, 'twas not great - but the point is the same - we are both judging the other teams' players on the very little we've actually seen of them! Have to say, Carroll's turn and volley goal last week was pretty impressive. But then again, Noble dived for their penalty.
shurlock Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 Judging by their match thread on KUMB (in which they actually have a lot of respect for our recent form and results, and aren't at all 'arrogant fans' like so many of us apparently think they are), West Ham fans are fully expecting Lallana to fall over every time the ball goes near him, so we'll call it quits. Which is in contrast to their rabid and vitriolic match thread earlier in the season - now Adkins who supposedly winds everyone up has gone, perhaps there's a bit more 'respect'. And, of course, we play football the right way. But no doubt their 'respect' is partly opportunistic. Fact is -once again- we're higher than them in the league, we're the top promoted team. And regardless whether they ultimately finish higher than us, the gap won't be as large as they were boldly and smugly claiming in October. So yeh, they've piped down. But if we were well below them in the relegation zone, no doubt, they would have been talking up this game more and relishing the opportunity to help send us down.
Tony F Posted 10 April, 2013 Posted 10 April, 2013 Yeah, 'twas not great - but the point is the same - we are both judging the other teams' players on the very little we've actually seen of them! Have to say, Carroll's turn and volley goal last week was pretty impressive. But then...... you'd really have to say Lallana's one-two with Jay Rod, followedby tucking away to score at Reading was also darned impressive......
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