Mr X Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 Not having a pop he is a talented player but it seems he doesn't quite fit our team at the moment for whatever reason. There were a few glimpses of excellence today when he managed to get one on one with the keeper and shot straight at him but for me his passing was sloppy and I counted four occasions when he cheaply gave the ball away giving possession back to reading
Daren W Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 Not having a pop he is a talented player but it seems he doesn't quite fit our team at the moment for whatever reason. There were a few glimpses of excellence today when he managed to get one on one with the keeper and shot straight at him but for me his passing was sloppy and I counted four occasions when he cheaply gave the ball away giving possession back to reading On today's evidence you'd have to say yes. I'd hope he wasn't fully fit as he was well off the pace...
Graffito Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 He absolutely does fit with our team and could be integral to it. Today he gave the ball away on occasion but did some good stuff too. The frustration is that there's obviously more there which we're not getting consistently yet.
ottery st mary Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 FFS......WHAT UTTER BULLLSHIIITE... There you go with my little imput into another pathetic bunch of fluuucking winkers. Sorrreeee forgot...you are entitled to your opinions......but we have moved from Puncheon, Boruc , Jos, Lallana.. Suppose yo fluuucking experts call it debate.
Saint Troy Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 what are the stats? how many points when he does and doesn't play? (obviously loads of other things in the equation but might be interesting to see - probably not!)
Bucks Saint Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 Couple of brilliant passes today and lots of good link up play. Gave the ball away and missed a good chance. But would still have him in the team. Need more consistency and I hope we get more next season from him
St Chalet Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 He shows touches of class but looks low on confidence. In answer to the OP's question, I would say we perform better without him right now. If he stays in the Summer I think he will come good next year with a full pre-season behind him. We have seen what a difference an injury free run in the side being played in position has done for J Rod and Boruc - let's not write him off just yet.
Saint Without a Halo Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 Ramierez is 22, an international for Uruguay, in a foreign country a long way from home and getting used to the premiere league. He is class and he will get better, a little patience and support is required!
Gis Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 Not having a pop he is a talented player but it seems he doesn't quite fit our team at the moment for whatever reason. If we want to reach top third in the Premiership we will need players like him. He's 22, at a new club, and in a new country with a new language. Make a judgement at the end of next season, I reckon there is loads to come. Personally I think he can be the type of talisman that Lambert is now, or like Cantona was at Manure. The fitness issue is interesting, but he's a lump of a player for a relative youngster and may take a bit longer to mature than most because of it.
70's Mike Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 interesting to know what the other players think because he obviously has talent but it must be frustrating when he gives the ball away with flicks etc especially when the current policy is to close down win it back and retain it a few goals would help, but atfer saying that i used to want to know what made Jay Rod a good player
Daren W Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 FFS......WHAT UTTER BULLLSHIIITE... There you go with my little imput into another pathetic bunch of fluuucking winkers. Sorrreeee forgot...you are entitled to your opinions......but we have moved from Puncheon, Boruc , Jos, Lallana.. Suppose yo fluuucking experts call it debate. Were you at Reading? He had a poor game today and we were better when Lallana came on. Doesn't make him a poor player just someone who had a poor game today. Or are people not allowed to question players and their role in a game??
ottery st mary Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 Were you at Reading? He had a poor game today and we were better when Lallana came on. Doesn't make him a poor player just someone who had a poor game today. Or are people not allowed to question players and their role in a game?? Personally not interested in your opinion.. Just fed up with another round of willy wonkers ....running down a very good player... who played a part in our win today.
IN MY DAY Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 My problem with Ramirez is he was keeping Davis out the team, who i think has been excellent all season. Today they played together on a rare start. He still looks like a passenger at times. His best game was his first start at St Mary against Villa. He promises a lot but just not delivering.
Aardvark Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 Personally not interested in your opinion.. Just fed up with another round of willy wonkers ....running down a very good player... who played a part in our win today. Looks like we have another contender for the Alpine- Turkish "Let's make total cvnts of ourselves in public" award. :-(
JustinR Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 Potential world class player who's not in the best of form. When on form, we play better with him in the team
ottery st mary Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 Looks like we have another contender for the Alpine- Turkish "Let's make total cvnts of ourselves in public" award. :-( Happy to help the lads out from time to time:D
Latheal Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 Don't think anybody expected Rodriguez, Lallana and Puncheon to be as good as they have been. It's been hard to choose the best two out of the four we have got when you add Ramirez to it. Personally I'm no longer worried who plays there as there is not a lot of difference between all four. Last year, when Lallana got injured, it showed massively. This year it hasn't really hampered us due to the form of Jay Rod and Punch. Gaston helps massively with that depth. Don't think he had a bad game at all today. His link up and vision was as good as anybody else's. He hasn't been the stand out player perhaps we expected but then the others have raised their game as well. We already had a £12mil player here in Lallana, will probably have another one in Jay Rod, whilst Punch and Davis have been miles better than we expected. Gaston is still a massive part of this squad. Hope he doesn't leave. The competition for places has been a large reason for our attacking success IMO.
Nexstar Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 Just something about him at the minute that doesn't quite click like the others. Also loves an ambitious attempt, which are pretty useless considering his goal-game ratio. Plenty of hard weeks of training with MP over the summer and I reckon he could hit top form next season.
JoeShmoe Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 I'm hoping a pre season, full fitness program, a better work ethic and a year in the system and he will improve next year
Mr X Posted 6 April, 2013 Author Posted 6 April, 2013 I'm hoping a pre season, full fitness program, a better work ethic and a year in the system and he will improve next year What if he really doesn't want to be here as the rumours suggest?
Daren W Posted 7 April, 2013 Posted 7 April, 2013 Personally not interested in your opinion.. Just fed up with another round of willy wonkers ....running down a very good player... who played a part in our win today. Is anyone interested in yours? I must be the first person to ever reply to one of your juvenile posts....
paulwantsapint Posted 7 April, 2013 Posted 7 April, 2013 Gaston's biggest problem is the price tag had we paid £5m this debate wouldn't happen Although not brilliant at reading he was a problem player for them as they knew that at any time he could have a game changing touch
Seaford Saint Posted 7 April, 2013 Posted 7 April, 2013 I will repeat what I said ages ago...I think he was the wrong player for us, a luxury player whose overall contribution was limited. He's better than Lallana at certain aspects of his game but overall he is worse. I do believe he might be the shape of things to come other arrivals will mean his obvious strengths are realised and it will be Lallana who possibly makes way for him. Equally possible is the truth of rumours that the lad himself wishes to move on. The price tag didn't help either.
Toomer Posted 7 April, 2013 Posted 7 April, 2013 In the main I think we have been a better side with out him this season but I have seen enough to think we have a good player in the making and I think he will come into his own next season.
Danish Saint Posted 7 April, 2013 Posted 7 April, 2013 Ramirez had an off-day at the office, that's all.... We've got better depth in the squad at the moment, due to the fact that more players are hitting their best form in years at the moment. To write off the one player not reaching his best form and potential at the moment... after 3 wins in a row... is just fickle.
Suomi Saint Posted 7 April, 2013 Posted 7 April, 2013 Yes, he loses the ball unnecessarily sometimes. Yes, his shooting is not up to much. But, his quality can change a game. And quality wins football matches.
Mr X Posted 7 April, 2013 Author Posted 7 April, 2013 Yes, he loses the ball unnecessarily sometimes. Yes, his shooting is not up to much. But, his quality can change a game. And quality wins football matches. Only about once has his quality changed a game though he's not been a game changer has he?
Seaford Saint Posted 7 April, 2013 Posted 7 April, 2013 Ramirez had an off-day at the office, that's all.... We've got better depth in the squad at the moment, due to the fact that more players are hitting their best form in years at the moment. To write off the one player not reaching his best form and potential at the moment... after 3 wins in a row... is just fickle. I think Gaston has been having lots of off days....
AussieDog Posted 7 April, 2013 Posted 7 April, 2013 The lads obviously got talent but I've seen more "off days" than "on days" so far this season. He got into some great positions yesterday but his finishing was abysmal and there were a few times when he appeared totally disinterested - I remember one occasion in particular where we had a throw-in and he was the closest player to the throw-in taker, and he just turned his back on him. He certainly doesn't seem to suit the style/pace that Pochettino is using at the moment. It certainly feels like there is an issue somewhere. I would love to see him come good, as when on form, he is obviously a game changer.
ottery st mary Posted 7 April, 2013 Posted 7 April, 2013 Is anyone interested in yours? I must be the first person to ever reply to one of your juvenile posts.... Still luv you Mr Wheeler:p
Smirking_Saint Posted 7 April, 2013 Posted 7 April, 2013 Dont you have a pop at Gaston every week ? No matter if he looks good or not ? His vision and touch is outstanding Will be a top top player
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 7 April, 2013 Posted 7 April, 2013 interesting to know what the other players think because he obviously has talent but it must be frustrating when he gives the ball away with flicks etc especially when the current policy is to close down win it back and retain it a few goals would help, but atfer saying that i used to want to know what made Jay Rod a good player One player has said that he is on a different wavelength - but in a very positive way. He said Ramirez has the skill, vision and ability that they can only dream of and for Saints to really achieve, they need to step up to his wavelength rather than he move towards theirs.
david in sweden Posted 7 April, 2013 Posted 7 April, 2013 (edited) Do we play better when Ramirez doesn't play ? Not having a pop he is a talented player but it seems he doesn't quite fit our team at the moment for whatever reason. There were a few glimpses of excellence today when he managed to get one on one with the keeper and shot straight at him but for me his passing was sloppy and I counted four occasions when he cheaply gave the ball away giving possession back to reading Ouch !...now thats the £12 million question - isn't it ? Edited 7 April, 2013 by david in sweden
The Kraken Posted 7 April, 2013 Posted 7 April, 2013 One player has said that he is on a different wavelength - but in a very positive way. He said Ramirez has the skill, vision and ability that they can only dream of and for Saints to really achieve, they need to step up to his wavelength rather than he move towards theirs. They may have said that; and there's no denying that the lad has the talent for it, a couple of his through balls yesterday were excellent (including the one that JRod rattled the bar with). That said, I think there was little wrong with the wavelength between Lambert and JRod, and the wavelength between JRod and Lallana for the second goal. So I don't buy the idea that our lot are a bit basic and need to step up in quality to make Ramirez look better. Lallana showed in his limited time on the pitch what we should expecting in terms of flair and productivity, he was superb and has surely made a claim for the starting spot in front of Ramirez for our next game.
Latheal Posted 7 April, 2013 Posted 7 April, 2013 Lallana showed in his limited time on the pitch what we should expecting in terms of flair and productivity, he was superb and has surely made a claim for the starting spot in front of Ramirez for our next game. This. Don't know what the issue is. It's a fantastic problem to have. Let the players fight it out for a starting place. If you don't perform, you know there is another quality player waiting to take your place.
Saint_clark Posted 7 April, 2013 Posted 7 April, 2013 If davis had crossed for lambert after ramirez backheeled it, and rodriguez had placed his shot a half inch lower than he did in the first half, we'd all be saying what a great game ramirez had with a big part to play in two goals.
RonManager Posted 7 April, 2013 Posted 7 April, 2013 If davis had crossed for lambert after ramirez backheeled it, and rodriguez had placed his shot a half inch lower than he did in the first half, we'd all be saying what a great game ramirez had with a big part to play in two goals. If 'ifs and buts were....erm.. something something, then .....something something something'
Olallana Posted 8 April, 2013 Posted 8 April, 2013 Isn´t it a bit strange that in every match report you read from the game saturday, none says that Gaston had a bad game. It´s more about that the front three line of Rickie, JRod and Gaston were causing Reading all sorts of problem..... Are so many on this forum blind to acknowledge that, or is every journo out there wrong...? I thought he had a decent game, a 6/10 performance that with a bit of luck and help from his teammates that he set up could have been a 8/10 performance...
tajjuk Posted 8 April, 2013 Posted 8 April, 2013 People seem to forget that many of our best performances this season like QPR, Newcastle, Villa, Everton, Liverpool etc. have all heavily involved Gaston. It seems that during the Poch love in were all having that everyone has forgotten the decidely average performances from Davis and Jay Rod earlier in the season as well. Players go in and out of form, Gaston isn't in form at the moment and has had a stop start season but he's still done a lot better than people give him credit for. A lot of his work is done in the build up, his link up play in the midfield is excellent and he's one fo the main reasons we transition the ball so well from cork/morgan into the more dangerous attacking areas. So no, people need to take off the "he cost £12 million" goggles. If he was playing as badly as some people here make out he'd be nowhere near the team and I trust MP a lot more than any fan.
The Kraken Posted 8 April, 2013 Posted 8 April, 2013 Isn´t it a bit strange that in every match report you read from the game saturday, none says that Gaston had a bad game. It´s more about that the front three line of Rickie, JRod and Gaston were causing Reading all sorts of problem..... Are so many on this forum blind to acknowledge that, or is every journo out there wrong...? I thought he had a decent game, a 6/10 performance that with a bit of luck and help from his teammates that he set up could have been a 8/10 performance... Or maybe different people have differing opinions? It's a novel idea, granted....
Olallana Posted 8 April, 2013 Posted 8 April, 2013 Or maybe different people have differing opinions? It's a novel idea, granted.... Yes, but as I said. In every match report, NONE has said anything like it. Granted I didn´t tell how many those reports are but it´s more than 10 and they all say pretty much the same about the front three....
The Kraken Posted 8 April, 2013 Posted 8 April, 2013 Yes, but as I said. In every match report, NONE has said anything like it. Granted I didn´t tell how many those reports are but it´s more than 10 and they all say pretty much the same about the front three.... And as I say, it's an opinions game. Maybe some of us use Lallana's performance as a benchmark, and perhaps think that Gadton's didn't quite come up to that. I don't know, I can only speak for myself. I thought Gaston did some good things and some needlessly bad things. I also thought Lallana did a better job in that position when he came on. None of that equates to saying that Gaston was sh*t. Just that he may not have had his best of games.
tajjuk Posted 8 April, 2013 Posted 8 April, 2013 With one-time Liverpool target Gaston Ramirez excelling in the front line http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/iain-macintosh-the-gamble-few-would-have-backed-227677.html? Another plaudit for Gaston, think many on here continue to be harsh on here or maybe over examine his performance becuase he;s our record signing.
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