pap Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 I saw an interesting comment on Twitter from a Saints fan that had been at the game. He said that this game had brought an end to the Adkins saga. Having watched the game, I was extremely impressed with the away support. It was great to hear the one Nigel Adkins chant, a big sign of respect from the stands for our former manager for his achievements during his tenure at this football club. That said, priorities are priorities. Every Saints fan knew we needed the points, and the game had the effect of putting our affection for NA in direct conflict with other things we wanted to happen. There is also the result to consider, and the choices Nigel made in setting up the Reading team. If Reading have the patience and decide to back Nigel next season, I think he'll do well there. There was one point where they got in on goal which was typical Adkins stuff. Short, quick passing - a far cry from the hoofball they got under McD. Problem for Nige is he doesn't have the players to save him this season. I hope he does it. From this point, it'd be the greatest achievement of his managerial career. Despite the result, I think Reading will get an up-tick in form. NA needed this game over and done with. tbh, we all did. Does the game bring a sense of closure to the Adkins era?
Colinjb Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 It does. The overlapping of the 'One Nigel Adkins,' and 'One Pochettino' chants was significant. As was the 'He's too good for you, Nigel Adkins, he's too good for you.....' chanting. We respect him, he was an important figure in our history. Now we move on.
supersonic Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 It does bring an end to it, also proves NC was correct. Wish him well, but we've moved on up
Dalek2003 Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 NA played a vital role in the club renaissance, we are all grateful now it is time to move on.
pap Posted 6 April, 2013 Author Posted 6 April, 2013 NA played a vital role in the club renaissance, we are all grateful now it is time to move on. Honest question, especially for you:- Hoddle or Pochettino?
Saint Pete Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 It does bring an end to it, also proves NC was correct. Wish him well, but we've moved on up I don't agree that today's match alone means that NC was correct, as if Adkins was in charge of Saints and Poch was in charge of Reading today, I still would have expected Saints to win comfortably, as we have a superior team. That said, I agree it's time to move on from what happened with Adkins now.
S-Clarke Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 -------------------------------------------------------------------
Dalek2003 Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 Honest question, especially for you:- Hoddle or Pochettino? Good one. Hoddle was a superb manager in his day and if we had brought him in 2004 would most likely have continued our premier status. Pochettino better for Saints now as Hoddle has been out of management at the top level for so long.
Lighthouse Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 I would point out that this result doesn't prove in any way who is the better manager. If Poch was managing that Reading team and we still had Adkins, I think we still would have won. We are far superior to them and Adkins has a nigh on impossible task as far as staying up is concerned. Having said that I do think we've moved up a gear with Poch and I'm now satisfied Cortese made the right decision. Good luck Nigel, hopefully you can stop Saggy Chops getting promoted next season. Because Redknapp is definitely not going to jump ship if he goes down. Oh no, definitely not. He definitely wont bring in a bunch of sh*te players and leave in November with QPR drifting around in midtable. Never going to happen.
Jonnyboy Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 Good one. Hoddle was a superb manager in his day and if we had brought him in 2004 would most likely have continued our premier status. Pochettino better for Saints now as Hoddle has been out of management at the top level for so long.
pap Posted 6 April, 2013 Author Posted 6 April, 2013 Good one. Hoddle was a superb manager in his day and if we had brought him in 2004 would most likely have continued our premier status. Pochettino better for Saints now as Hoddle has been out of management at the top level for so long. So can I count this as "bonus closure", Dalek? Great times for our team. With the young lads coming through, plus all these players who have worked their way up the leagues and just doin' it in the Prem, special time to be a Saints fan, I think.
Colinjb Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 Good one. Hoddle was a superb manager in his day and if we had brought him in 2004 would most likely have continued our premier status. Pochettino better for Saints now as Hoddle has been out of management at the top level for so long. Holy ****. Even you are moving on! [video=youtube;SLY7yI1xV-M]
trousers Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 Good one. Hoddle was a superb manager in his day and if we had brought him in 2004 would most likely have continued our premier status. Pochettino better for Saints now as Hoddle has been out of management at the top level for so long.
trousers Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 All we need now is a euphoric appearance from Alpine for a full house...
SuperSAINT Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Ha! Brilliant. Sums it up nicely. Felt strange today, seeing him in the opposite dug-out.
Dalek2003 Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 So can I count this as "bonus closure", Dalek? Great times for our team. With the young lads coming through, plus all these players who have worked their way up the leagues and just doin' it in the Prem, special time to be a Saints fan, I think. My main argument has always centred on the failure to appoint Hoddle in 2004 as opposed to more recent times. Whatever happens, the appointment of Sturrock over Hoddle, and the role of the vocal minority, was a disaster for SFC,which we are thankfully just recovering from.
Dalek2003 Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 That by the way, is closure in the sense that only history will really debate the true significance of the matter.
SuperMikey Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 Yeah, I think it does. I love Nige and i'll always respect him, but it's over now. He's the Reading manager and I wish him luck next season in the Championship. Still think he deserves a better club though!
Roger Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 Think mp has the potential to be better. But then Adkins is relatively young. I just think Nigel Adkins is a top top person and he did a fab job for us. Felt sorry for him today but also loving the football we are playing.
Kingsland Red Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 Closure, but will always enjoy following his own fortunes like WGS etc. I think he has greater potential than Reading though.
captainchris Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 Closure, but will always enjoy following his own fortunes like WGS etc. I think he has greater potential than Reading though. Feel for him too.......It's a shame but he will find it very difficult to achieve what he has with Saints again anywhere else. The players he has there are so inferior to what he had at Saints too.....In many ways Reading is tougher job.....
dan17 Posted 6 April, 2013 Posted 6 April, 2013 ------------------------------------------------------------------- lol - this!
georgeweahscousin Posted 7 April, 2013 Posted 7 April, 2013 It definitely did for me, and despite my reservations about singing about NA during the game it worked perfectly on TV. An audible thanks, and then time to march on. I loved NA and for a while I think I was in denial about our play since MoPo, but we do genuinely look like an even better team now. All the best Nige.
david in sweden Posted 7 April, 2013 Posted 7 April, 2013 Good one. Hoddle was a superb manager in his day and if we had brought him in 2004 would most likely have continued our premier status. Pochettino better for Saints now as Hoddle has been out of management at the top level for so long. .but that was a long time ago. One might argue his career peaked when he left MLT out of his WC squad...and exited the England job soon after. His time with Saints was timely, and necessary ...in consideration of the DJ scandal, but it was clear where his heart lay...and I consider his departure to be scandalous and his eventual fate well-deserved.
red&white56 Posted 8 April, 2013 Posted 8 April, 2013 I'm not sure how this game can bring closure to the NA story, as the NA issue is not related to who is the better manager, but the callous, unpleasant way in which he was fired and replaced. I've nothing against MP and appreciate that he made the team better, but I still feel uncomfortable about the way we treated NE. Even if we win the PL next year, that victory will be tainted by how the club treated NA.
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 8 April, 2013 Posted 8 April, 2013 It didn't make too much difference for me. If he didn't get a job for a couple of years, and so we didn't face him til then would it still have gone on? I don't think so. For me, it was done once he was gone. Don't get me wrong, I am probably still one of his biggest fans. Wish him all the best, and every success. Some people may want to belittle what he did here, but he was brilliant, undoubtedly a Saints legend, and presided over some of the best times in my Saints supporting time, so far. I will forever be grateful to him for that. Throughout everything he has conducted himself with both class, and dignity. Top man. All the best. Thank you, Nigel.
pap Posted 8 April, 2013 Author Posted 8 April, 2013 I'm not sure how this game can bring closure to the NA story, as the NA issue is not related to who is the better manager, but the callous, unpleasant way in which he was fired and replaced. I've nothing against MP and appreciate that he made the team better, but I still feel uncomfortable about the way we treated NE. Even if we win the PL next year, that victory will be tainted by how the club treated NA. As I keep saying (and people keep on ignoring), NA knew he was going last year. He could have left then to pursue another opportunity. He didn't, got his Premiership chance (half a season) and was sacked. Sacking is never nice under any circumstances. Do you think Martin O'Neill feels any better about his sacking? What about Alan Pardew suddenly replacing Chris Hughton, a more comparable case? Disliked chairman, manager doing ok. The media made a LOT of noise about that when it first happened. No-one speaks about that when discussing Newcastle anymore. It's all about Pardew and his French legion.
the colonel Posted 8 April, 2013 Posted 8 April, 2013 I'm not sure how this game can bring closure to the NA story, as the NA issue is not related to who is the better manager, but the callous, unpleasant way in which he was fired and replaced. I've nothing against MP and appreciate that he made the team better, but I still feel uncomfortable about the way we treated NE. Even if we win the PL next year, that victory will be tainted by how the club treated NA. Get over it. Everyone has their time. NA didn't object and refuse the position (and the money) with Saints because of the way Pardew was treated....so he knew at some stage it was likely to happen to him. NC knows what he wants for this club....yes somethings could be done a different way. Then again we could easily still be in League 1 wishing NC would get rid of Pardew.
Minsk Posted 8 April, 2013 Posted 8 April, 2013 I don't agree that today's match alone means that NC was correct, as if Adkins was in charge of Saints and Poch was in charge of Reading today, I still would have expected Saints to win comfortably, as we have a superior team. That said, I agree it's time to move on from what happened with Adkins now. I would point out that this result doesn't prove in any way who is the better manager. If Poch was managing that Reading team and we still had Adkins, I think we still would have won. We are far superior to them and Adkins has a nigh on impossible task as far as staying up is concerned. Having said that I do think we've moved up a gear with Poch and I'm now satisfied Cortese made the right decision. Good luck Nigel, hopefully you can stop Saggy Chops getting promoted next season. Because Redknapp is definitely not going to jump ship if he goes down. Oh no, definitely not. He definitely wont bring in a bunch of sh*te players and leave in November with QPR drifting around in midtable. Never going to happen. Think mp has the potential to be better. But then Adkins is relatively young. I just think Nigel Adkins is a top top person and he did a fab job for us. Felt sorry for him today but also loving the football we are playing. As above, with the addition that I still really haven't taken to Poch. He still feels a bit like a sympathy sh*g, albeit a decent one, after having broken up with a long term lover and soul mate. It won't stop me from supporting Saints with all my heart, but I doubt I will ever feel a great affinity towards him; or will ever bring myself to sing his name.
Minsk Posted 8 April, 2013 Posted 8 April, 2013 Get over it. Everyone has their time. NA didn't object and refuse the position (and the money) with Saints because of the way Pardew was treated....so he knew at some stage it was likely to happen to him. NC knows what he wants for this club....yes somethings could be done a different way. Then again we could easily still be in League 1 wishing NC would get rid of Pardew. Yes, everyone has their time - even Poch. And I hope he doesn't grumble if his eventual replacement is casing Saints for months beforehand while waiting to give NC the nod that he is ready to take over.
croydonsaint Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 I'm not sure how this game can bring closure to the NA story, as the NA issue is not related to who is the better manager, but the callous, unpleasant way in which he was fired and replaced. I've nothing against MP and appreciate that he made the team better, but I still feel uncomfortable about the way we treated NE. Even if we win the PL next year, that victory will be tainted by how the club treated NA. This post sums up my feeling. as a saints fan of course I am happy that at this stage MPs appointment is working out well and how can we be unhappy with where the club is as a business, compared to 4 years ago. I have no doubt that NC is the driving force in this and fully acknowledge this......... But as far as I can see and in the light of all evidence Adkins put his heart and soul into our club. He is a man of integrity and intelligence and I loved the way he didn't make anything about him [A la Redknapp] it was about the team. I just feel also that he was treated in a very shabby way. If he was off loaded by Cortese in the way he was, like a piece of dead meat, then what chance does any other Southampton F.C. employer have at the whim of NCs ambition. Indeed what chance do we, ultimately as supporters have. Will NC give us the same consideration he gave NA when he comes to his exit. I really hope my uneasy feeling about NC is totally wrong, I really do, but I feel that the way he treated Adkins should be treated as a warning to us all.
pap Posted 9 April, 2013 Author Posted 9 April, 2013 This post sums up my feeling. as a saints fan of course I am happy that at this stage MPs appointment is working out well and how can we be unhappy with where the club is as a business, compared to 4 years ago. I have no doubt that NC is the driving force in this and fully acknowledge this......... But as far as I can see and in the light of all evidence Adkins put his heart and soul into our club. He is a man of integrity and intelligence and I loved the way he didn't make anything about him [A la Redknapp] it was about the team. I just feel also that he was treated in a very shabby way. If he was off loaded by Cortese in the way he was, like a piece of dead meat, then what chance does any other Southampton F.C. employer have at the whim of NCs ambition. Indeed what chance do we, ultimately as supporters have. Will NC give us the same consideration he gave NA when he comes to his exit. I really hope my uneasy feeling about NC is totally wrong, I really do, but I feel that the way he treated Adkins should be treated as a warning to us all. Are you suggesting that we Saints fans are going to get sacked? Fk, and I've been supporting these bastards for free all these years.
conaero Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 Reading and Nige will be back in 2014 to bite us in the @rse I recon!
pap Posted 9 April, 2013 Author Posted 9 April, 2013 Reading and Nige will be back in 2014 to bite us in the @rse I recon! I seriously doubt it. Not many teams get straight back up at first time of asking, as we well know.
Dig Dig Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 Reading and Nige will be back in 2014 to bite us in the @rse I recon! Why?
Window Cleaner Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 Reading and Nige will be back in 2014 to bite us in the @rse I recon! he'll probably have been sacked by then, not sure that he's a great manager. At Reading he doesn't haver the nucleus of ultra gifted players that he had at Saints.
pap Posted 9 April, 2013 Author Posted 9 April, 2013 he'll probably have been sacked by then, not sure that he's a great manager. At Reading he doesn't haver the nucleus of ultra gifted players that he had at Saints. Giving NA the benefit of the doubt for now, but I do wonder the same thing.
Dig Dig Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 he'll probably have been sacked by then, not sure that he's a great manager. At Reading he doesn't haver the nucleus of ultra gifted players that he had at Saints. He didn't have a nucleus of ultra gifted players at Scunny and did very well with them. So well in fact that he managed to secure a job where he was trusted with the most valuable squad in the division and went on the secure back to back promotions at the first time of asking. Fair enough if you think he took us as far as he could but a little crude and uneccessary to try and dilute his achievements now.
Window Cleaner Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 He didn't have a nucleus of ultra gifted players at Scunny and did very well with them. So well in fact that he managed to secure a job where he was trusted with the most valuable squad in the division and went on the secure back to back promotions at the first time of asking. Fair enough if you think he took us as far as he could but a little crude and uneccessary to try and dilute his achievements now. Why do you keep mentioning S****horpe? Oscillating between League 1 and the Championship is nothing to do with gaining promotion to the PL. I was never ever a fan of Adkins, I'm one of the "45" and was often a fierce critic of his tactics and player management.
Dig Dig Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 Why do you keep mentioning S****horpe? Oscillating between League 1 and the Championship is nothing to do with gaining promotion to the PL. I was never ever a fan of Adkins, I'm one of the "45" and was often a fierce critic of his tactics and player management. I mention Scunny as it's relevant to your opinion that Adkins was only successful with us due to the players he had available. Scunny had no right to be in the Championship given their size and resource but he got them there twice and managed to avoid relegation as well. Look where they are now....likely to drop into L2 which is about their real level. I personally find it laughable that you can be such a fierce critic of his tactics and player management on the back of what he achieved.
Sour Mash Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 (edited) Why do you keep mentioning S****horpe? Oscillating between League 1 and the Championship is nothing to do with gaining promotion to the PL. I was never ever a fan of Adkins, I'm one of the "45" and was often a fierce critic of his tactics and player management. Why do you think we chose him as our new manager if his record at Scunny hadn't been succesful? Two promotions in two seasons for us is an excellent achievement, no-way you can pretend it isn't I'm afraid. Edited 9 April, 2013 by Sour Mash
Professor Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 I wonder if Nigel gave the same repetitive reports full of clichés to Cortese as he did in his interviews. If so, Cortese might have changed manager so as to avoid dying of boredom.... NA getting another job seemed to draw the line, but had we lost to his new club, well, that would have really hurt. Maybe a good thing they are going down so we don't have the same issue to consider next year.
danner Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 More interested about West Ham saturday. Not as if Nigel got sacked from a low paid job and is now struggling, these managers are minted, sackings mean big payoffs.
red&white56 Posted 9 April, 2013 Posted 9 April, 2013 Get over it. Everyone has their time. NA didn't object and refuse the position (and the money) with Saints because of the way Pardew was treated....so he knew at some stage it was likely to happen to him. NC knows what he wants for this club....yes somethings could be done a different way. Then again we could easily still be in League 1 wishing NC would get rid of Pardew. Get over what ???? I don't think I should accept or get over shabby behaviour. Just because it happened doesn't make it right.
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