Wade Garrett Posted 2 June, 2013 Posted 2 June, 2013 We were close to signing Phillips last summer, he wanted to join us but the chairman refused to sell him at that time. Out of the two of them I'd prefer Ince though. Ince would be an outstanding signing.
UpweySaint Posted 2 June, 2013 Posted 2 June, 2013 We were close to signing Phillips last summer, he wanted to join us but the chairman refused to sell him at that time. Out of the two of them I'd prefer Ince though. I remember, hopefully this means if we bid they wouldnt want a protracted saga. Personal choice Phillips though I would be far from dissapointed with Ince.
Sour Mash Posted 2 June, 2013 Posted 2 June, 2013 Is Philips really going to improve on what we've already got? Can't see us going for him anyway.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 June, 2013 Author Posted 2 June, 2013 Kevin Phillips is a great player and was a legend here 1st time round, but past it now imho
Webby Posted 2 June, 2013 Posted 2 June, 2013 Ince would be an outstanding signing. The problem with Ince is his father Paul.
Webby Posted 2 June, 2013 Posted 2 June, 2013 What's wrong with Paul Ince? A great player, capable father and proud Englishman who bled for his country. Ah. A question instead of accusations of racism. That's better. I never liked the guy. Thought he was overrated. I remember him for not stepping up to take penalties for England. He bled during a football match. So what, big deal. Haven't we all? I've bled watching FFS! I also think he has a big ego and would probably think his Son is better than little old Southampton. All imo of course. Whatever, we all have our own opinions, but please, your accusation was uncalled for.
Pilchards Posted 2 June, 2013 Posted 2 June, 2013 Guys it's a lovely day today, get outside and enjoy it!
Convict Colony Posted 2 June, 2013 Posted 2 June, 2013 Have to say no way I can see the Don buying anyone from Blackpool after winning his showdown talks, expect Italy or Spain to provide the quality improvement. I'm not sure if Milt's blatant b*llsh*tting about Kelvin has worried all those former ITK's but its tumbleweed quiet on here.
Raging Bull Posted 2 June, 2013 Posted 2 June, 2013 Failing that the suns out, the beer gardens are full and they've grown tired of the self righteous t**ts on here who sneer at them at every give opportunity.
UpweySaint Posted 2 June, 2013 Posted 2 June, 2013 I believe somebody mentioned his name a while back, and we certainly wouldn't be the only party in the running but the bbc is carrying the story "Japan international Keisuke Honda, 26, will leave Russian league and cup champions CSKA Moscow in the summer. " in its gossip column. He could certainly dajfu!
Rebel Posted 2 June, 2013 Posted 2 June, 2013 Take this with a massive pinch of salt as I would not know the name of the source as its been passed on. Although I can say whoever has this snippet is employed in the coaching setup. We have targetted a great striker as our top priority however if we don't get him then our 2nd option is to take Torres for 18m from Chelsea (no idea if the player is interested) The two that have been agreed are two Spanish 22 year olds (no idea who) and Pooch is chasing a special Portuguese player which I have no idea where he plays or what position. There you go..... pinch of salt, remember. Anyone heard the same? Well I'm going to assume it's got some truth to it - mostly because its more fun that way It's been rumoured for a while that we had 2 players signed and sealed already. If this is true it would make sense that they were young Spanish players - and that we were waiting for the Spanish season to end. Anyway I have a feeling they will be announced this week to co-incident with the end of the Spanish season and the start of the season ticket sales to give it a boost. Could one be Marc Muniesa on a free transfer from Barca? Or possibly we're getting 2 young players from Barcelona on loan - Marc Bartra and Martin Montoya perhaps. The great striker could be someone like Alvaro Negredo from financially troubled Seville who has said he wants to play in England. Or maybe it's Adrian Lopez. The special Portuguese player is I'm guessing someone who plays in Portugal rather than being Portuguese - in that case it could be the Spanish Brazilian Rodrigo from Benfica - or maybe one of Benfica's Argentinians - Gatan or Garay. Or possibly Eric Dier the young English defender at Sporting Lisbon. Lets enjoy the speculation whilst it lasts!
Reynoldson!! Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 ^that post has certainly got me excited (even though it's all speculation). Any of those signings would be awesome!
Saint Garrett Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 Hasn't Garay signed a pre contract with Man Utd?! I seemed to remember that being mentioned around January...?
Gorgiesaint Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 Well I'm going to assume it's got some truth to it - mostly because its more fun that way It's been rumoured for a while that we had 2 players signed and sealed already. If this is true it would make sense that they were young Spanish players - and that we were waiting for the Spanish season to end. Anyway I have a feeling they will be announced this week to co-incident with the end of the Spanish season and the start of the season ticket sales to give it a boost. Could one be Marc Muniesa on a free transfer from Barca? Or possibly we're getting 2 young players from Barcelona on loan - Marc Bartra and Martin Montoya perhaps. The great striker could be someone like Alvaro Negredo from financially troubled Seville who has said he wants to play in England. Or maybe it's Adrian Lopez. The special Portuguese player is I'm guessing someone who plays in Portugal rather than being Portuguese - in that case it could be the Spanish Brazilian Rodrigo from Benfica - or maybe one of Benfica's Argentinians - Gatan or Garay. Or possibly Eric Dier the young English defender at Sporting Lisbon. Lets enjoy the speculation whilst it lasts! Rodrigo was linked with Spurs in this mornings Mirror... but at £10m + is certainly within our price range.
Badger Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 Rodrigo was linked with Spurs in this mornings Mirror... but at £10m + is certainly within our price range. Quite a stark contrast to years gone by !
MerceSaint28 Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 Was watching the USA's game last night and can't help but feel that Altidore would be a quality addition. Big lad, can hold the ball, scored a lot of goals for AZ in the Dutch league this year and is very quick and powerful... Definitely feel he would be an excellent addition...
Matthew Le God Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 Was watching the USA's game last night and can't help but feel that Altidore would be a quality addition. Big lad, can hold the ball, scored a lot of goals for AZ in the Dutch league this year and is very quick and powerful... Definitely feel he would be an excellent addition... 28 games played and only 1 goal scored for Hull City in the Premier League in 2009/10. He was young, but that still is a poor return.
Appy Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 28 games played and only 1 goal scored for Hull City in the Premier League in 2009/10. He was young, but that still is a poor return. Zarate was poor for Birmingham a few years ago, would still have him here in a heartbeat.
Matthew Le God Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 Zarate was poor for Birmingham a few years ago, would still have him here in a heartbeat. Was he? I thought he did quite well for them in a brief loan spell. 4 goals in 14 games for a striker/winger when he only started 6 of those 14 games isn't a bad return.
MerceSaint28 Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 silly comment Le God...he has clearly improved significantly in the last few years... My god when Bale first moved to the Spuds, they thought he was awful...how things change...whilst im not saying he has Bale ability...he is certainly a top class forward who scores 25 plus in the Dutch league and internationally...personally i would take him in a hearbeat...add to the fact he already speaks the language and would fit in quickly and surely he has got to be a good option
Appy Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 Was he? I thought he did quite well for them in a brief loan spell. 4 goals in 14 games for a striker/winger when he only started 6 of those 14 games isn't a bad return. What has Altidore's goalscoring record been since then? Maybe in, i don't know, the present day?
Matthew Le God Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 What has Altidore's goalscoring record been since then? Maybe in, i don't know, the present day? I was using his record in the league and level Saints play.
verlaine1979 Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 28 games played and only 1 goal scored for Hull City in the Premier League in 2009/10. He was young, but that still is a poor return. He was 19/20 at the time and only made 16 starts, the rest as a sub, playing in a poor Hull team. Nothing like enough to judge him on with any degree of accuracy.
Appy Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 He was 19/20 at the time and only made 16 starts, the rest as a sub, playing in a poor Hull team. Nothing like enough to judge him on with any degree of accuracy. That doesn't stop him when he has a stat in front of him.
Appy Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 I was using his record in the league and level Saints play. But not at the level Altidore is at now?
Matthew Le God Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 He'd be fine for someone in a relegation battle in the Premier League, a return to Hull has been mooted. But Saints will be after a higher quality of player to get in the top half.
Matthew Le God Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 But not at the level Altidore is at now? Is the Dutch league on a par with the Premier League?
Batman Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 He'd be fine for someone in a relegation battle in the Premier League, a return to Hull has been mooted. But Saints will be after a higher quality of player to get in the top half. who do you think we are going to sign then?
Appy Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 He'd be fine for someone in a relegation battle in the Premier League, a return to Hull has been mooted. But Saints will be after a higher quality of player to get in the top half. If he has only one goal in 27 games why would he be fine for someone in a relegation battle if we are going by your logic?
Matthew Le God Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 If he has only one goal in 27 games why would he be fine for someone in a relegation battle if we are going by your logic? Because, as you've all said, he's improved since then. But not enough to be a first team regular for a top half Premier League side - which is what Saints are looking for.
verlaine1979 Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 He'd be fine for someone in a relegation battle in the Premier League, a return to Hull has been mooted. But Saints will be after a higher quality of player to get in the top half. In his first full season at Wigan, Victor Moses played 21 games and scored 1 goal at basically the same age as Altidore when he was at Hull. From what I've seen, their playing styles are pretty similar, based on pace and power. Frankly, I think it's a ludicrous argument to write him off based on his play several years ago, as a teenager in a rubbish side. You might as well have written off Drogba for scoring none in the 2000-2001 season at Le Mans...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 3 June, 2013 Author Posted 3 June, 2013 In his first full season at Wigan, Victor Moses played 21 games and scored 1 goal at basically the same age as Altidore when he was at Hull. From what I've seen, their playing styles are pretty similar, based on pace and power. Frankly, I think it's a ludicrous argument to write him off based on his play several years ago, as a teenager in a rubbish side. You might as well have written off Drogba for scoring none in the 2000-2001 season at Le Mans... 15 love to verlaine1979!
MerceSaint28 Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 Sorry but 51 goals in his last 2 seasons is a great return, even if it is the Dutch League. You are also forgetting he is a proven international who scores...and you still think he is a lower division signing?? please see below http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1659718-why-jozy-altidore-was-the-us-star-player-against-germany
Matthew Le God Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 You still think he is a lower division signing?? When did I say that?
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 For what it is worth the Italian press linked Altidore to Lazio over the weekend as well.
Tokyo-Saint Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 Only one way to decide this, what's his CA and PA on football manager?
Tokyo-Saint Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 He looked good while playing for Crewe as an 18 year old.
tajjuk Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 He played well for the USA last night but there is always a risk with players form the Dutch League who score heavily. Top scorers in the Eredivisie include Bas Dost, Björn Vleminckx, El Hamdaoui, Afonso Alves, Dirk Kuyt. Mataja Kezman all of whom have struggled to score regularly in better leagues. Only really Suarez & Huntelaar have turned out to be top class forwards. Altidore may well have improved a lot since his hull days but he has just 4 goals from his last 25 international appearances, and 4 goals in 16 European games for AZ so would be a gamble.
Smirking_Saint Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 Van Nistelrooy? Robben? Van Persie? I don't think players should be judged on the success or failure of other footballers. He's scoring regularly in his league, what else can he do right now? I can see the point Taj is making, and he has been already tested at PL level, albeit at a different level of form then he is now. His league scoring record doesnt exactly tally with his level against the better sides in Europe and internationally. Thats not to say he cant and wont turn a decent level of goalsvoring form in the prem, but he will probably cost a fair amount, and may be a gamble.
tajjuk Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 Van Nistelrooy? Robben? Van Persie? I don't think players should be judged on the success or failure of other footballers. He's scoring regularly in his league, what else can he do right now? Van Nistelrooy yes but that was over ten years ago, Van Persie never scored regularly in Holland and didn't in Englandf for quite a while. Altidore is only 4th top scorer in Holland - http://espnfc.com/stats/scorers/_/league/ned.1/dutch-eredivisie?cc=5739# So he could score more goals for a start, also more against better teams. His record in England has merit because his record against tougher opponents (Premier Legaue, Internationally, Turkish League, La Liga, Europa Legaue) doesn't match his goalscoring record in the Eredivisie, so that would lead me to question whether he could do it at a higher level. Would you question the signing of Hooper? He has a much better scoring record than Altidore and has scored a few goals at Champions League level, but his credentials still get questioned because of the poorness of the SPL, the same should apply to Altidore. I'm not writing him off, I'm just saying he would be a gamble
Olallana Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 I dont think we needs a striker with blistering speed in our system and I think Altidore wouldn´t fit the profile (or be good enough but that´s another story). IMO we need a true box player. Someone that charges on the first post and on rebounds. Imagine a player like Higuain in our system and the way we played and produced chances this season. The striker will need some speed but mostly that first 3-4-5 yards, not on longer distance. It´s on the wings we need the speed more to be effective with our style.
saint1977 Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 I would question Hooper. My point isn't based on any knowledge of Altidore, just that it seems crazy to judge a player based on a short stint in the PL 4 years ago when they were just starting their career. Plenty of players have struggled at first then come good. I agree he shouldn't be written off and his pace would be very welcome as only J Rod has got any change of pace in our final third. However, his record in European competition and the USA would concern me although some of his international caps may have come as a lone striker. Hope there's some legs in the Will Buckley story, always rated him. Ince or Matt Phillips - happy with either if it was on the cards. The ambitious - but still feasible - signing would be Lens from PSV.
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 I dont think we needs a striker with blistering speed in our system and I think Altidore wouldn´t fit the profile (or be good enough but that´s another story). IMO we need a true box player. Someone that charges on the first post and on rebounds. Imagine a player like Higuain in our system and the way we played and produced chances this season. The striker will need some speed but mostly that first 3-4-5 yards, not on longer distance. It´s on the wings we need the speed more to be effective with our style. Pace is present in all the worlds best players in the final third. It isn't always a necessity, but if we got a striker with pace who can also play up front on his own it would be a huge plus.
Nigel=God-Poyet=Sod Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 I dont think we needs a striker with blistering speed in our system and I think Altidore wouldn´t fit the profile (or be good enough but that´s another story). IMO we need a true box player. Someone that charges on the first post and on rebounds. Imagine a player like Higuain in our system and the way we played and produced chances this season. The striker will need some speed but mostly that first 3-4-5 yards, not on longer distance. It´s on the wings we need the speed more to be effective with our style. I totally agree, literally we need someone who can put away the chances we create, but often waste. We need a Billy Sharp type striker, who plays on the last defender, doesn't score great individual goals, but puts the ball in the net. Obviously, they need to be of better quality to adapt to the PL, but I think a player of the mould of Sharp and Hooper, but with a foreign sounding name, should be the one who we target this summer.
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 I totally agree, literally we need someone who can put away the chances we create, but often waste. We need a Billy Sharp type striker, who plays on the last defender, doesn't score great individual goals, but puts the ball in the net. Obviously, they need to be of better quality to adapt to the PL, but I think a player of the mould of Sharp and Hooper, but with a foreign sounding name, should be the one who we target this summer. I wouldnt say we create that many clear cut chances. too many games this season especially at home we have struggled to get behind a defensive line because we lacked the guile to pick out those passes plus we didnt have a striker with pace to get away from defenders. strong powerful striker with decent pace has to be a priority along with CB and winger both with pace.
DuncanRG Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 (edited) Nainggolan's on holiday in London... Edited 3 June, 2013 by DuncanRG
tajjuk Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 I would question Hooper. My point isn't based on any knowledge of Altidore, just that it seems crazy to judge a player based on a short stint in the PL 4 years ago when they were just starting their career. Plenty of players have struggled at first then come good. I agree, MLG got too fixated on that, that's why I posted up some more recent details. He's had a good season but in a weak league, and his record against better teams would worry me. However from what I've seen he's got pace and physical presence, has obviously improved and at 23 has scope to improve further. For me though he's too similar to where Jay Rod is, if we are going to buy a striker for £15 million +, we need someone who is either a fantastic potential talent (say a Rodrigo or a Munian) or the more finished product (Osvaldo or a Negredo)
SuperSAINT Posted 3 June, 2013 Posted 3 June, 2013 http://www.london24.com/sport/arsenal/arsenal_lead_race_for_liverpool_man_city_man_utd_southampton_target_former_coach_reveals_1_2220104
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