Dig Dig Posted 28 May, 2013 Posted 28 May, 2013 in what way? Goals and assists to games record in the Championship for starters. He's just been more consistent at a comparable level. Not to say that Zaha will not be a better player than Lallana, his pace and strength already gives him an advantage but to say that he is miles better right now? Not for me.
Saint Garrett Posted 28 May, 2013 Posted 28 May, 2013 Would rather us sign a player ourselves, than rely on loans. Hate the loan system between clubs in the same league. Shouldn't be allowed.
Webby Posted 28 May, 2013 Posted 28 May, 2013 Goals and assists to games record in the Championship for starters. He's just been more consistent at a comparable level. Not to say that Zaha will not be a better player than Lallana, his pace and strength already gives him an advantage but to say that he is miles better right now? Not for me. If pace and strength doesn't make a player miles better, I don't know what does. If you could magically give Lallana those two attributes you'd do it in a heartbeat and you'd soon see what a better player he'd become.
Saint Charlie Posted 28 May, 2013 Posted 28 May, 2013 Lets just remember that the much maligned Daniel Fox has Zaha in his pocket at Selhurst last season, and he did nothing in the home game either. Good player yes but nothing special thus far. Wouldn' be fussed about having him on loan at all. Ince the better of the two.
Sour Mash Posted 28 May, 2013 Posted 28 May, 2013 If pace and strength doesn't make a player miles better, I don't know what does. If you could magically give Lallana those two attributes you'd do it in a heartbeat and you'd soon see what a better player he'd become. I think you might have missed the point a bit. On the basis that Zaha has pace and strength, but scores and creates less than Lallana in a comparable season.
Dig Dig Posted 28 May, 2013 Posted 28 May, 2013 If pace and strength doesn't make a player miles better, I don't know what does. If you could magically give Lallana those two attributes you'd do it in a heartbeat and you'd soon see what a better player he'd become. Don't disagree but at Championship level Lallana has delivered more by way of end product despite lacking pace and strength. Again, I wouldn't say that Zaha is miles better. He scored about 3 goals in the regular season last year and went missing for large chunks of the season.
Webby Posted 28 May, 2013 Posted 28 May, 2013 I think you might have missed the point a bit. On the basis that Zaha has pace and strength, but scores and creates less than Lallana in a comparable season. Don't disagree but at Championship level Lallana has delivered more by way of end product despite lacking pace and strength. Again, I wouldn't say that Zaha is miles better. He scored about 3 goals in the regular season last year and went missing for large chunks of the season. Then I stand (sit) corrected. Still, if only Lallana had pace.
Dig Dig Posted 28 May, 2013 Posted 28 May, 2013 Then I stand (sit) corrected. Still, if only Lallana had pace. Just a better shot would be enough.
Tokyo-Saint Posted 28 May, 2013 Posted 28 May, 2013 Just a better shot would be enough. having a shot sometimes would be enough
DuncanRG Posted 28 May, 2013 Posted 28 May, 2013 Crikey, that wouldn't go down well with the Palace fans. I'd take him but I don't see it happening. And surely we have the financial clout to get a player of that quality on a permanent deal?
saints_is_the_south Posted 28 May, 2013 Posted 28 May, 2013 Anybody thinking we have any chance of signing Lamela, is absolutely deluded. If he were to leave Roma, which I don't expect him to do then it will be to the likes of Manchester United or Barcelona. Roma would want £25m or more for him too. And to anybody who would respond with, "Well we signed Ramirez when everyone said we wouldn't", Lamela is on a different level to Ramirez, and plays for a much bigger club than Bologna and ourselves.
Dig Dig Posted 28 May, 2013 Posted 28 May, 2013 Anybody thinking we have any chance of signing Lamela, is absolutely deluded. If he were to leave Roma, which I don't expect him to do then it will be to the likes of Manchester United or Barcelona. Roma would want £25m or more for him too. And to anybody who would respond with, "Well we signed Ramirez when everyone said we wouldn't", Lamela is on a different level to Ramirez, and plays for a much bigger club than Bologna and ourselves. Don't tell people on here, tell the journos who believe it has some legs. We can only comment on what's reported.
itchen_dan Posted 28 May, 2013 Posted 28 May, 2013 Not entirely relevant by Liverpool have signed Kolo Toure on a free. Would've been a quality signing for us IMO.
hypochondriac Posted 28 May, 2013 Posted 28 May, 2013 Don't tell people on here, tell the journos who believe it has some legs. We can only comment on what's reported. What journalists have reported it?
VectisSaint Posted 28 May, 2013 Posted 28 May, 2013 Not entirely relevant by Liverpool have signed Kolo Toure on a free. Would've been a quality signing for us IMO. Too late, we plan to have all our business complete before 1st July apparently, Toure will not sign for Liverpool until then.
saints_is_the_south Posted 28 May, 2013 Posted 28 May, 2013 Don't tell people on here, tell the journos who believe it has some legs. We can only comment on what's reported. I have only seen one fleeting comment from Alan Nixon where he said, "don't rule any names in Italy". If people want to take that seriously, then we may as well start talking about Saints signing Edison Cavani, Francesco Totti and Stephan El Shaarwary too.
Downthe36 Posted 28 May, 2013 Posted 28 May, 2013 Don't tell people on here, tell the journos who believe it has some legs. We can only comment on what's reported. It started on one of those loony transfer rumour sites, and someone asked Nixon who plainly doesn't have a clue at the moment. Not wanting people to realise that he plainly doesn't have a clue, Nixon gives a wooly reply "don't rule anything out." Total non-story.
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 28 May, 2013 Posted 28 May, 2013 I have only seen one fleeting comment from Alan Nixon where he said, "don't rule any names in Italy". If people want to take that seriously, then we may as well start talking about Saints signing Edison Cavani, Francesco Totti and Stephan El Shaarwary too. He actually said story that originated from Italian media had some credibility.
Sour Mash Posted 28 May, 2013 Posted 28 May, 2013 He actually said story that originated from Italian media had some credibility. Which story?
MOSaint Posted 28 May, 2013 Posted 28 May, 2013 Which story? The story about Nainggolan, which he said was credible as he had been told Cortese was in Italy looking to spend big money on a player, whose identity he didn't know. Someone asked about Lamela and he said don't rule anything out. Entirely non-committal answer
sir_fred Posted 28 May, 2013 Posted 28 May, 2013 Two possible big club rejects. Marin and Coates? Just a year since they were regarded as players with high potential.
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 28 May, 2013 Posted 28 May, 2013 Two possible big club rejects. Marin and Coates? Just a year since they were regarded as players with high potential. Marin with the right opportunity could be good. What happened to De Bruyne who were linked to last summer? Worth a loan?
Rebel Posted 28 May, 2013 Posted 28 May, 2013 De Bruyne is off to Borussia Dortmund with Christian Eriksen if the rumours are true. Not a bad deal swapping Goetze for those two.
Chez Posted 28 May, 2013 Posted 28 May, 2013 Lets just remember that the much maligned Daniel Fox has Zaha in his pocket at Selhurst last season, and he did nothing in the home game either. Good player yes but nothing special thus far. Wouldn't be fussed about having him on loan at all. Ince the better of the two.at Sellhurst we doubled up on him (showing how much we rated him) and he still managed to create a brilliant chance. I'd take him without a second thought. In the top flight you need match winners, players that can do some thing different and he does that on a regular basis.
MOSaint Posted 28 May, 2013 Posted 28 May, 2013 Rather try and buy Ince instead tbh Ince 18 goals, 14 assists Zaha 6 goals, 10 assists
Saint Scott Posted 28 May, 2013 Posted 28 May, 2013 @tancredipalmeri: Ok, there are actually many news. Wait few minutes. One, if confirmed, it is really crazy We have signed Edison Cavani?
Delmary Posted 28 May, 2013 Posted 28 May, 2013 From Davide Azzuri Duo end up in Roma radar but negotiations with Cagliari are difficult to set up. Astori & Nainggolan #saintsfc #ACROMA
Sour Mash Posted 28 May, 2013 Posted 28 May, 2013 In the top flight you need match winners, players that can do some thing different and he does that on a regular basis. But that's the whole point - statistics show he doesn't.
Nigel=God-Poyet=Sod Posted 28 May, 2013 Posted 28 May, 2013 From Davide Azzuri Duo end up in Roma radar but negotiations with Cagliari are difficult to set up. Astori & Nainggolan #saintsfc #ACROMA One of the last things that guy tweeted was 'Livermore to QPR' from January 31st. Seems a very credible source.......
JoeShmoe Posted 29 May, 2013 Posted 29 May, 2013 From Davide Azzuri Duo end up in Roma radar but negotiations with Cagliari are difficult to set up. Astori & Nainggolan #saintsfc #ACROMA And here goes another 3 months trying to deal with an Italian club, I hope we work on other options as well this summer
Olallana Posted 29 May, 2013 Posted 29 May, 2013 (edited) Anyone want to look up Frickson Erazo. He will probably be playing with Ecuador against Germany tonight, I think kickoff is 7.30pm. Game is in Florida. Edited 29 May, 2013 by Olallana Look, not lock.
CeeBee Posted 29 May, 2013 Posted 29 May, 2013 Have to agree. Ince could be a great player in the right team. Not so sure about Zaha. Too many tricks sometimes.
Dig Dig Posted 29 May, 2013 Posted 29 May, 2013 And here goes another 3 months trying to deal with an Italian club, I hope we work on other options as well this summer No, Southampton employ a very rigid '1 target 1 club' transfer negotiation strategy. This became an mboard fact last summer.
Saint Charlie Posted 29 May, 2013 Posted 29 May, 2013 I see Jermaine Easter has just signed for Millwall. Good signing that, he is a decent poacher who will outscore Sharp next season IMO.
Window Cleaner Posted 29 May, 2013 Posted 29 May, 2013 Skill, technique, keeping possession, passing, composure. good skills of course but utterly useless when you get barged off the ball by a feather duster and end up on your ass every 30 seconds.
tajjuk Posted 29 May, 2013 Posted 29 May, 2013 good skills of course but utterly useless when you get barged off the ball by a feather duster and end up on your ass every 30 seconds. Lallana has still shown a lot more than Zaha so far at comparable levels, obviously he's older but Zaha is very much raw potential at the moment. Hardly would be a shoe in for our team IMO and rather pointless for us on loan, if we are going to have a player that needs games to improve surely he should be our player so we get the future benefit? Agree with others Ince has pace and trickery but seems to have a much more complete game and I would say a better footballing brain. We aren't getting Lamela, he's essentially this years Hazard, it'll be Utds and PSGs after him not us. Osvaldo though might be an option with his disciplinary problems and the links with Pochettino, I'd happily take a risk on him even though he seems a bit mental, maybe he will get on well with Boruc?
Saint Charlie Posted 29 May, 2013 Posted 29 May, 2013 good skills of course but utterly useless when you get barged off the ball by a feather duster and end up on your ass every 30 seconds. Juan Mata, best midfield playmaker in the Prem last season is neither quick nor strong, just brilliant. It helps, but Lallana's main attribute holding him back is final ball/finishing not pace or strength IMO.
Window Cleaner Posted 29 May, 2013 Posted 29 May, 2013 Lallana has still shown a lot more than Zaha so far at comparable levels, obviously he's older but Zaha is very much raw potential at the moment. Hardly would be a shoe in for our team IMO and rather pointless for us on loan, if we are going to have a player that needs games to improve surely he should be our player so we get the future benefit? Agree with others Ince has pace and trickery but seems to have a much more complete game and I would say a better footballing brain. We aren't getting Lamela, he's essentially this years Hazard, it'll be Utds and PSGs after him not us. Osvaldo though might be an option with his disciplinary problems and the links with Pochettino, I'd happily take a risk on him even though he seems a bit mental, maybe he will get on well with Boruc? On the subject of Argentines there are 2 at Nice who are right handy, the central defender Civelli who's out of contract but seems to be heading for Italy and the striker Cvitanich. Trouble is Nice have qualified for the Europa League and the players might see that as incentive enough to stay there for one more season at least. Why no UK club has recruited Puel just astonishes me, a real magician, can turn sow's ears into silk purses...
UpweySaint Posted 29 May, 2013 Posted 29 May, 2013 I see Jermaine Easter has just signed for Millwall. Good signing that, he is a decent poacher who will outscore Sharp next season IMO. I'l bet otherwise but entitled to that opinion. Sharp is a more proven player and is likely to go a club creating/scoring more as a team then millwall.
Saint Charlie Posted 29 May, 2013 Posted 29 May, 2013 I'l bet otherwise but entitled to that opinion. Sharp is a more proven player and is likely to go a club creating/scoring more as a team then millwall. Sharp is going to Accrington, he tweeted it the other day.
UpweySaint Posted 29 May, 2013 Posted 29 May, 2013 Sharp is going to Accrington, he tweeted it the other day. The gospel that is twitter ... in all probablity we will sell him on and accrington cant really afford him ... besides if he did go to there id fancy he'd hit more then easter would in the championship
CB Fry Posted 29 May, 2013 Posted 29 May, 2013 Sharp is going to Accrington, he tweeted it the other day. Obviously, he isn't.
MerceSaint28 Posted 29 May, 2013 Posted 29 May, 2013 Guys talk of Sharp coming back is crazy...forget it...he is not good enough Can't help thinking that the player who could make the most difference to our team is someone like Wilfried Bony...powerful, quick forward man in the Lukaku/ Benteke role we need to inject pace and penetration into this team...Bony would probably cost anything between £12-14 million and 10 clubs are interested...but everyone needs a modern forward who can lead the line and he would be perfect to lead the line for us
Professor Posted 29 May, 2013 Posted 29 May, 2013 Striker David Villa from Barcelona £12m; Slovakia's Centre Back Martin Skrtel from Liverpool £12m; and midfield playmaker Clement Grenier from Lyon at £12.8m are all reported to be on the move, but the current reports do not mention Southampton as a destination. Three players of that calibre and top half of the table would start to look realistic.
Saint Charlie Posted 29 May, 2013 Posted 29 May, 2013 Striker David Villa from Barcelona £12m; Slovakia's Centre Back Martin Skrtel from Liverpool £12m; and midfield playmaker Clement Grenier from Lyon at £12.8m are all reported to be on the move, but the current reports do not mention Southampton as a destination. Three players of that calibre and top half of the table would start to look realistic. Bizarre post. We aren't going to be interested in every good player that moves this summer.
Window Cleaner Posted 29 May, 2013 Posted 29 May, 2013 Striker David Villa from Barcelona £12m; Slovakia's Centre Back Martin Skrtel from Liverpool £12m; and midfield playmaker Clement Grenier from Lyon at £12.8m are all reported to be on the move, but the current reports do not mention Southampton as a destination. Three players of that calibre and top half of the table would start to look realistic. Grenier is no great shakes, good free kicks but we already have someone for that.He's certainly not worth 15 million euros. Gaston has far more potential if we can just use it correctly and that means no Lallana I'm afraid.
Saint Garrett Posted 29 May, 2013 Posted 29 May, 2013 Striker David Villa from Barcelona £12m; Slovakia's Centre Back Martin Skrtel from Liverpool £12m; and midfield playmaker Clement Grenier from Lyon at £12.8m are all reported to be on the move, but the current reports do not mention Southampton as a destination. Three players of that calibre and top half of the table would start to look realistic. Villa is going to Spurs.
bpsaint Posted 29 May, 2013 Posted 29 May, 2013 Been reading this article on yahoo, could any of them do a job for us? http://m.yahoo.com/w/ygo-frontpage/lp/story/uk/833406/coke.bp%3B_ylt=Aqytcf3I4MtbLghU5vO23Bix.tw4%3B_ylu=X3oDMTFyNjc0YWpmBGNwb3MDNARjc2VjA21vYmlsZS10ZARpbnRsA3VrBHBrZwNpZC04MzM0MDYEcG9zAzQEc2xrA2ltYWdl?ref_w=frontdoors&view=today&.intl=gb&.lang=en-gb
Window Cleaner Posted 29 May, 2013 Posted 29 May, 2013 Villa is going to Spurs. for 10 million £, don't think he's had much of a season at Barca and they need to make room for Neymar.
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