Gaston

[Glasgow_Saint]

unlike you to highlight that, him being your favourite player;)

 

Unlike Guly i dont miss a chance

[Essruu]

That's what makes me despair at some of our 'fans': They ignore his good play, how he wins the ball by clever body positioning and closing angles, his through balls and tracking back - then are just waiting for one mistake or clever little flick that doesn't quite come off, to slate him as 'proof' that he's rubbish.

 

It's, no doubt, the same idiots that don't see how Guly does the same kinds of things as they're waiting for him to mid-place one pass too.

 

Lambert had just as many (if not more) mis-timed controls, mis-placed passes and losses of possession, yet not one person will slate him for it. If Lambert had Gastón or Do Prado on his back, then he'd be blasted for it.

 

Gastón is class; if you can't see that then I despair.

[lordswoodsaints]

Get rid whilst we still can,complete waste of money IMO.

We need players who want to pull their weight not showboating,lazy ****ers.

[JustinR]

A few poor decisions but a few moments of class. Sums up his season. Worth persevering with IMO

[Roger]

That's what makes me despair at some of our 'fans': They ignore his good play, how he wins the ball by clever body positioning and closing angles, his through balls and tracking back - then are just waiting for one mistake or clever little flick that doesn't quite come off, to slate him as 'proof' that he's rubbish.

 

It's, no doubt, the same idiots that don't see how Guly does the same kinds of things as they're waiting for him to mid-place one pass too.

 

Lambert had just as many (if not more) mis-timed controls, mis-placed passes and losses of possession, yet not one person will slate him for it. If Lambert had Gastón or Do Prado on his back, then he'd be blasted for it.

 

Gastón is class; if you can't see that then I despair.

 

I thought gaston was good but you must have been watching a different game if you thought lambert miscontrolled a lot. Lambert was just awesome.

[Roger]

Get rid whilst we still can,complete waste of money IMO.

We need players who want to pull their weight not showboating,lazy ****ers.

 

This is the kind of clueless fan that stops England winning trophies. Hard work and all running gets you only so far. Living in dark ages.

[JustinR]

Get rid whilst we still can,complete waste of money IMO.

We need players who want to pull their weight not showboating,lazy ****ers.

 

Sigh

[Essruu]

I thought gaston was good but you must have been watching a different game if you thought lambert miscontrolled a lot. Lambert was just awesome.

 

I was deliberately paying a lot of attention to Lambert's play for exactly the reason that has developed - the slagging off of Gastón and Guly. There weren't a lot of them, but a fair few examples where, if G or G had lost the ball, mis-timed a ball coming to feet, or mis-placing a pass, they would all have been chalked up by the Gastón/Guly haters.

[SuperSAINT]

Still a class player and is only 22.

 

I think he'll play a massive part in the games at St Mary's.

[BARCELONASAINT]

The lad is young and still adjusting to the English Premier league. He has undoubted class and today he showed some of that.....too many expected him to be an instant hit and to adjust overnight....i'm sorry that rarely happens. I think we will see a much improved and consistent Gaston after a pre-season with Poch. Saints spent on the obvious potential and if we are patient i think we will be rewarded.

[Andre]

Are you blind? He wasn't poor. Did you see the back heel and through ball? Jamie redknapp though he was class. The guy is blessed with quality and only a matter of time before it pays off big time.

 

I did see the back heel and the through ball against bottom-placed Reading, and they were okay.

 

I also saw him miss an open goal and pass numerous times to bottom-placed Reading players.

 

This man cost us twelve million pounds remember, and he can't even do anything against THEM.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Are you blind? He wasn't poor. Did you see the back heel and through ball? Jamie redknapp though he was class. The guy is blessed with quality and only a matter of time before it pays off big time.

 

And what did you think of Adam Lallana's contribution today?

[SuperSAINT]

I think the Gaston debate will prove to be a basically bigger scale version of Schneiderlin debate from yesteryear.

[Sheaf Saint]

The lad is young and still adjusting to the English Premier league. He has undoubted class and today he showed some of that.....too many expected him to be an instant hit and to adjust overnight....i'm sorry that rarely happens. I think we will see a much improved and consistent Gaston after a pre-season with Poch. Saints spent on the obvious potential and if we are patient i think we will be rewarded.

 

I'm getting a little tired of this argument now. He put us in trouble a few times at the back today with some really slack passing, and that has got nothing whatsoever to do with adjusting to the Premier League. He was rested last week because he had played for Uruguay in midweek, and today he was up against one of the poorest sides he will face in his career. If he can't pull his finger out and put in a performance then he should make way for somebody who will.

 

No doubt I will get lambasted for scapegoating him etc... I'm just being realistic. When he went off today we looked a much more balanced and composed side, like we often do when he gets subbed. The whole team manages to keep possession much more effectively when he isn't on the pitch. I do not doubt he has talent and I am certain he will occasionally show glimpses of brilliance, but when they are so few and far between in amongst some really poor and lazy play, and his presence is to the detriment of the balance of the whole team, then I don't think it is unfair to question the value of his contribution.

[Roger]

And what did you think of Adam Lallana's contribution today?

 

Good when he came on and showed composure through on goal.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I'm getting a little tired of this argument now. He put us in trouble a few times at the back today with some really slack passing, and that has got nothing whatsoever to do with adjusting to the Premier League. He was rested last week because he had played for Uruguay in midweek, and today he was up against one of the poorest sides he will face in his career. If he can't pull his finger out and put in a performance then he should make way for somebody who will.

 

No doubt I will get lambasted for scapegoating him etc... I'm just being realistic. When he went off today we looked a much more balanced and composed side, like we often do when he gets subbed. The whole team manages to keep possession much more effectively when he isn't on the pitch. I do not doubt he has talent and I am certain he will occasionally show glimpses of brilliance, but when they are so few and far between in amongst some really poor and lazy play, and his presence is to the detriment of the balance of the whole team, then I don't think it is unfair to question the value of his contribution.

 

All fair comment I'd say.

 

I can't for the life of me see why only being in the country for less than a year excuses him somehow for that glaring miss today when JRods shot rebounded to him. Indeed the record shows does it not that for all his talent this player has never been especially prolific in front of goal.

 

But the lad can obviously play a bit and his many supporters on here might just be proved right one fine day. While we await that development however he is no more immune to criticism than any other of our players.

[andrew123]

If someone offered 10 mil I would bite there arm off.... FLOP

[Andre]

If someone offered 10 mil I would bite there arm off.... FLOP

 

Big time.

 

Also, what the f*ck has Jamie Redknapp's opinion got to do with f*cking anything?! Son of a skate, son of a skate, f*ck off you ponce, you're the son of a skate.

[mulletsaint]

Big time.

 

Also, what the f*ck has Jamie Redknapp's opinion got to do with f*cking anything?! Son of a skate, son of a skate, f*ck off you ponce, you're the son of a skate.

 

Judging by the quality of your posts on this thread I'd say that even if he were only blessed with one brain cell, it would be one more than you. Nice one.

[Huffton]

No doubt he's a talent, I just wish he would get up off his arse after he gets knocked over instead of sitting there bleating at the ref.

[Kingsland Red]

If Gaston does a proper pre season, and can build up his stamina to play the MP level of intensity , added to his undoubted ability, he could have a great second season at St Marys.

[Huffton]

 

Also, what the f*ck has Jamie Redknapp's opinion got to do with f*cking anything?! Son of a skate, son of a skate, f*ck off you ponce, you're the son of a skate.

 

Probably that he's played football at a far higher level than anyone on this forum? Just a guess like...

[Roger]

Big time.

 

Also, what the f*ck has Jamie Redknapp's opinion got to do with f*cking anything?! Son of a skate, son of a skate, f*ck off you ponce, you're the son of a skate.

 

God you need to calm down mate.

[doc oli]

Thought he was poor today at times. Slows play down, wants to do it all himself, and not the best in possession. It's clear he's got talent but his decision making isn't great

 

This is his main problem. At times can pick a world class pass but does slow Dow a team that is getting quicker and quicker. Off the bench next year I think

[Andre]

Sorry, I just really don't rate Gastón. That's basically the long and short of it. I don't want him to play anymore for us.

[Horton Heath Saint]

I really want to like him, but he's not helping me!!!

[Jonnyboy]

My new name for him is Gash-ton.

[miserableoldgit]

Big time.

 

Also, what the f*ck has Jamie Redknapp's opinion got to do with f*cking anything?! Son of a skate, son of a skate, f*ck off you ponce, you're the son of a skate.

Very mature and a good contribution to the debate on this thread.

[Saint Billy]

Was really excited by Gaston and he showed bits of flair when first here but has gone downhill since.

 

He is a frustrating player who has the ability to be class but who's attitude holds him back. Hope we recoup our money spent on him but doubt it.

 

Missed a real sitter today and I can no longer defend him .

[Mowgli]

I think the Gaston debate will prove to be a basically bigger scale version of Schneiderlin debate from yesteryear.

 

Spot on. Thought he was poor today. It was not until I saw the taped game I saw how influential he was. Started the move for the first goal and a sublime pass when JRod hit he bar. Was played in a different role today. Will get better and better.

[Crab Lungs]

Christ. Christ. So many special comments on here these days, it's infuriating to read. Nothing wrong with having an opinion, but when it's biased, blinkered dogsh1t it's hard for reasonable people to accept sometimes.

 

Gaston's rubbish? Right, ok. As someone said above, it'll prove to be the Schneiderlin debate of yesteryear. And the Boruc one. And the Rodriguez one. And the Lallana one. And the Puncheon one. And the (S) Davis one.

 

He's 22. He's come from a completely different football style, country, environment, language. He's not the finished product but f()cking hell, if you can't see that he's got a lot of room for improvement AND is on course to fulfill it then you don't know much about football.

 

I'm sure you'll all agree that Ronaldo was rubbish in his first season in the Premier League and hasn't improved since, right?

[eelpie]

Big time.

 

Also, what the f*ck has Jamie Redknapp's opinion got to do with f*cking anything?! Son of a skate, son of a skate, f*ck off you ponce, you're the son of a skate.

 

Idiot

[melmacian_saint]

I think the Gaston debate will prove to be a basically bigger scale version of Schneiderlin debate from yesteryear.

 

I thought Schneiderlin always looked class. The whole Poortvleit era just stank of inexperience.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Alot of comparisons to Guly which is really unfair.........Ramirez is a completely differnt type of player!! Jus give Ramirez a chance ffs

[genuis]

I think he'll be fine after a consistent run in the side, it's been such a stop-start season for him

[georgeweahscousin]

He was busy yesterday but nothing seemed to quite come off for him. He is a luxury player, and yesterday I found his selection a bit odd. Technically he is clearly a very good player (same goes for Guly) but he will always be one who will sometimes play in games that pass him by.

 

He was the right person to be taken off yesterday, but not because he was playing 'badly', because the rest of the front four were playing so well.

 

The only thing I really dislike about him is how often he chooses to have a pot shot from distance when we have patiently got the ball to the edge of the box....

[Olallana]

He didn´t have his best game and the other four were better so right to sub him if anybody.

 

BUT.....he opened up their defence brilliantly three times.

 

For the first goal he´s the one playing the ball forward when we´re going sideways and he put the ball through to set up that goal.

His backheel to open up Davis in the box where he should have done better I think.

And he put JRod through when he hit the crossbar.

 

So there are moments of brilliance in between some missed passes and shots.

[Andre]

But why should we be patient with Ramírez? I honestly believe that he has cost us a few games this season, wasting chances for himself and others around him with poor passing and pathetic attempts at skills. As others have said, he is a luxury player who cost way too much and just doesn't work in our style. He might well be amazing next season, but honestly I don't want to wait to see if that happens, and I think we should just let him go now and find someone who actually works in our team.

 

It's alright Cortese, everyone makes mistakes. Rodriguez was inspired; Ramírez just wasn't.

[Roger]

But why should we be patient with Ramírez? I honestly believe that he has cost us a few games this season, wasting chances for himself and others around him with poor passing and pathetic attempts at skills. As others have said, he is a luxury player who cost way too much and just doesn't work in our style. He might well be amazing next season, but honestly I don't want to wait to see if that happens, and I think we should just let him go now and find someone who actually works in our team.

 

It's alright Cortese, everyone makes mistakes. Rodriguez was inspired; Ramírez just wasn't.

 

Massively uneducated you seem Andre. Because he is from another country where the ethos is completely different and he is young, younger than j rod. Even the ethos is France is different, it's more about skill on the ball and less running. I thought gaston tried hard to track back yesterday too. He wasn't admired by the biggest clubs for nothing. Just watch him get better. His job is to open up defences which he did 3 times yesterday from not his best position. Don't think he's cost us games. Villa home he was class, Newcastle at home, arsenal at home and against Norwich away was the best creative player.

[Lazlo78]

Considering the number of times people on here have written off a player only to see him come good, I astonished that the same is happening with Ramirez. If it has to do with the transfer fee, forget it - that's not an indication of his ability. The transfer fee was also used to mock Rodriguez and frankly its an irrelevant argument unless you are discussing economy, not team performance...

 

The question I would ask is: does Gaston have the skills to be a great midfielder regardless how he is performing in the team at the moment. My answer would be that yes, he has everything that is needed from a creative midfielder in the Premier League (I may be wrong here, but this is a discussion I feel would make sense instead of the "he was useless, worst player ever" comments). If so, then I see no reason to write him off as he needs to find his place in the team and in the league. And no, I don't think a season is too much - especially since we brought in a new coach halfways.

 

Have a little patience and some faith in the coaching staff...

[saints-cris]

He sometimes makes the odd bad decision, but he can improve that. Some of his passing simply slices apart teams, his vision is incredible. 3 times he carved Reading apart with passes that very few people would even see.

 

Some Saints fans have the patience and will appreciate the class he brings, some won't and i think theyre a bit silly. Give him more time, hes 22 and only going to get better. He takes risks, occasionaly its not always guna come off. I maintain that some of the stuff he does is just a class above.

[Chewy]

But why should we be patient with Ramírez? I honestly believe that he has cost us a few games this season, wasting chances for himself and others around him with poor passing and pathetic attempts at skills. As others have said, he is a luxury player who cost way too much and just doesn't work in our style. He might well be amazing next season, but honestly I don't want to wait to see if that happens, and I think we should just let him go now and find someone who actually works in our team.

 

It's alright Cortese, everyone makes mistakes. Rodriguez was inspired; Ramírez just wasn't.

 

I can't think of any games he's cost us this season. Why on earth you'd want rid is beyond me, maybe he's not worthy of a starting spot every game but he's our classiest player, and having the option in the squad is crucial over a season. Alternatively, maybe he will just get better and better and turn out to be one of our greats. Spider, j-rod, boruc, Davis have all been written off at times. Ronaldo took a while to settle at man ure, van Persie wasn't that great at first for arsenal, Henry was a failure on the wing at juventus before becoming the best striker in the world. How many examples do you need to understand that writing him off so completely is moronic? He will probably be more spiders level than Henry or Ronaldo, but give the lad a chance FFs.

[Cabrone]

Would be a big shame if he left over the summer seeing as he needed a season to get used to the prem and the fact that this season was always going to be about securing premier status.

 

I think Ramirez and the club will come good next season and we should be able to hit the ground running unlike this season. If he wants ambition then he's at the right place.

 

Trouble is Inter are a big name with champions league pull so if they are serious then he'll be off. Inter are a much bigger fish than us.

[benjii]

But why should we be patient with Ramírez? I honestly believe that he has cost us a few games this season, wasting chances for himself and others around him with poor passing and pathetic attempts at skills. As others have said, he is a luxury player who cost way too much and just doesn't work in our style. He might well be amazing next season, but honestly I don't want to wait to see if that happens, and I think we should just let him go now and find someone who actually works in our team.

 

It's alright Cortese, everyone makes mistakes. Rodriguez was inspired; Ramírez just wasn't.

 

Re the bit in bold: you could say exactly the same about Lallana.

 

Any sort of "flair" player will end up doing some things that look a bit silly. He didn't have a great game yesterday but he was involved in the build up to the first goal and he also played a great pass to Rodriguez when he hit the bar which I doubt any of our other players (possibly Puncheon excepted) would have executed.

 

The "open goal" that people are slagging him for was from an open goal. He had to go near post as there was a blocking defender right in front of him covering the other side of the goal. He mis-hit it. It happens from time to time (vis. Van Persie missing a good chance against Chelsea last weekend).

 

We are good enough to afford his type of player and, potentially, he is the best we have. So why not support him?

[Suhari]

Didn't we have a player a few years ago who caused nation-wide debates on his abilities?

 

For some, one of the most naturally talented players to ever grace the game, with such skill and vision that we were happy to accept any of his shortcomings just for the one moment of magic; for others a fat, lazy Channel Islander who couldn't run, head, tackle and had zero ambition.

 

Now I am not putting Gaston into the LeTiss bracket yet....but he could well be. We should give him our full backing, cheer the moments of class and accept the things that don't come off - if he doesn't try it, it won't happen!

 

The issue here seems to be that he cost a lot, and hasn't (yet) provided an equivalent return. Where is the spite towards Mayuka, Forren of Gazza.

 

Gaston will become a club legend.

[ericb]

The football illiterate kick and run merchants slagged Lallana when he started, they were wrong. Then they slagged Morgan and guess what? They were proven wrong again. They slagged Rodriguez and what's been the result? The same.

 

Now they're slagging Gaston. And guess what? I couldn't really give a sh.it because they have proven time and again they don't have a clue.

 

Gaston is a class player, who's young and made a switch from a very different league. There's always a settling period with any player but the obvious signs of talent are there. In terms of his distribution he's head and shoulders above any other player here, his shooting is off at the moment but importantly he still has the confidence to try it.

 

The main thing for me is fitness, i'm really unsure why he's not able to make a full 90 yet, but i'm sure that'll change with time.

 

Still we could always have a vote for who we'd prefer, him or Davis, then come back and laugh at it later along the lines of Morgan or Wotton. Since i'm sure the vote right now will be for the poorer player.

[JustinR]

How many wins/ goals have we scored since he's been suspended?

 

Even when he's not at his best, does he take defenders attention away from our other attackers?

[sussexsaint]

Out of interest was he there yesterday on the lap of honour?

[Wiggles31]

Yeah he was.

[Olallana]

Said it on the match thread yesterday that we miss him, his linkup play is vital for us and takes JRod and Rickie into better positions, without him they tend to drift wide or too much back to pick up passes.