Wes Tender Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 The chasm between 1-6 to the rest is huge, Everton are the most catchable and still have the resources and pulling power we dont, and they I will add have been skint for the last 20 odd years. We can bridge that gap no problem, well the only if we spend millions and keep our players, it really is that simple. You must be talking about resources other than financial ones. Otherwise you have contradicted yourself in a few words. What exactly do these resources comprise?
Barry Sanchez Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 I really hope we will have a net spend greater than Arsenal.... if not.... i would suggest we are championship. Their net spend since 08/09 is something like minus £20million. And frankly, they waste their money. £15m on oxlade, when I would rather have puncheon, lallana or Rodriquez and the change. He has done nothing their. To shoot another whole in your argument.... Everton do not spend money..not in the grand scheme of things. Liverpool.... they can keep their Downings,Carrolls et al. ROFL, and city, 1 biullion to win a title and an fa cup... I like your definition of spending money = success.. FAIL. Spending money does equate to success, its not right but the facts you can not ignore. Your opinion is subjective and not fact. rofl lol lols
Barry Sanchez Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 You must be talking about resources other than financial ones. Otherwise you have contradicted yourself in a few words. What exactly do these resources comprise? Everton used to be the Mersyside Millionaires, compared to those days they are skin, they still have more money and pulling power than us. I feel like a teacher on this forum most days.
Matthew Le God Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 Everton used to be the Mersyside Millionaires, compared to those days they are skin, they still have more money and pulling power than us. And your evidence for this is...?
Wes Tender Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 Everton used to be the Mersyside Millionaires, compared to those days they are skin, they still have more money and pulling power than us. I feel like a teacher on this forum most days. They have more money than us? Prove it, teacher!
Saint Garrett Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 They may be a bigger club than us, and have a bigger fan base, but I'd be surprised if they have more money than us...Although who knows how much we have really !?
Wes Tender Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 I feel like a teacher on this forum most days. Definitely not an English teacher, nor Maths. Woodwork?
Turkish Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 Definitely not an English teacher, nor Maths. Woodwork? Remedials.
Barry Sanchez Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 They have more money than us? Prove it, teacher! I should of put spend more money, they do and they are skint. Their wage bill is far higher as well, this is simply over zealous children thinking their club is bigger than is actually is. http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/latest-news/wage-and-the-premier-league-scaled-table
Barry Sanchez Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 Remedials. Yes and the history and appreciation of football outside of that powerhouse that is known as Hampshire...................................
Barry Sanchez Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 They may be a bigger club than us, and have a bigger fan base, but I'd be surprised if they have more money than us...Although who knows how much we have really !? So that comes to the point of us overpaying to get these players, will Cortese do it? Why do you see players like Eto Drogba and Beckham go to these clubs? Money.
Wes Tender Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 I should of put spend more money, they do and they are skint. Their wage bill is far higher as well, this is simply over zealous children thinking their club is bigger than is actually is. http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/latest-news/wage-and-the-premier-league-scaled-table No, definitely no chance of employment as an English teacher. So they are a wealthier club because they expend more money on wages? Warren Buffett is one of the wealthiest men in the World and yet he lives in a comparatively small house and drives an old jalopy. So perhaps the level of expenditure is not necessarily a yardsick of wealth, or indeed the quality of players in a team. But I'm glad that this significantly higher expenditure of theirs enabled their team to beat us last time out. Doh!
Jimmy_D Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 There's a very good indicator that we don't need to clear out the team wholesale to improve. A lot of our players are on the radars of 'big' clubs to try and buy off of us.
Barry Sanchez Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 No, definitely no chance of employment as an English teacher. So they are a wealthier club because they expend more money on wages? Warren Buffett is one of the wealthiest men in the World and yet he lives in a comparatively small house and drives an old jalopy. So perhaps the level of expenditure is not necessarily a yardsick of wealth, or indeed the quality of players in a team. But I'm glad that this significantly higher expenditure of theirs enabled their team to beat us last time out. Doh! I guess we should of beaten Leeds then? Buffet would not touch a Premeirship football club to make money, Carry on Perkins.
Barry Sanchez Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 There's a very good indicator that we don't need to clear out the team wholesale to improve. A lot of our players are on the radars of 'big' clubs to try and buy off of us. The proof will be in the pudding if we keep them at bay, not only of the clubs intentions to try to get into the top 6/7 but of Cortese's resolve and determination to keep the bigger clubs away from our star players.
Avenue Saint Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 Rubbish. You have absolutely no idea whether that is true or not. Rubbish. If we spend a couple of million on a back-up left back to replace Fox we will have improved our squad. All the available facts contradict you, and none support your suggestion. No Or that Cortese is a shrewd Chairman who knows how to look after his prize assets. Top post
Wiggles31 Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 If we retain our current good players. If we spend an awful lot of money on the other 14-17 players needed to bring in the squad. If other teams dont think of this cunning plan. Comedy gold. 14-17 new players! Someone has run out of medication.
Saint Garrett Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 So that comes to the point of us overpaying to get these players, will Cortese do it? Why do you see players like Eto Drogba and Beckham go to these clubs? Money. Beckham was at Man Utd as a kid and the biggest club in the world. Drogba went to Chelsea as they were minted and had big ambition, but also went there relatively unknown. Eto has never played in the prem?
Avenue Saint Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 Comedy gold. 14-17 new players! Someone has run out of medication. Lol
Wes Tender Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 I guess we should of beaten Leeds then? Buffet would not touch a Premeirship football club to make money, Carry on Perkins. Should HAVE! Or even should've, at a pinch. But not should of. I sometimes feel like a teacher on here.
Barry Sanchez Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 Should HAVE! Or even should've, at a pinch. But not should of. I sometimes feel like a teacher on here. No sometimes you seem a pedantic ***** on spelling on here, carry on Perkins.
Barry Sanchez Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 Beckham was at Man Utd as a kid and the biggest club in the world. Drogba went to Chelsea as they were minted and had big ambition, but also went there relatively unknown. Eto has never played in the prem? Chelsea were relatively unknown? Carry on. The issue was they went to unfashionable clubs as they were offered an awful lot of money, we will have to do the same to get the cream? Its not that difficult, the days of getting Keegan are long gone, that era is over.
Sour Mash Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 If by "breaking into the top 7", you mean just about scraping 7th place because one of the top teams has an unusually abysmal season, then I think it is feasible. Just. With one hell of a following wind. But also a bit pointless. I'd rather win the League Cup, for example. Agree with this.
Sour Mash Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 I think we'll finish 8/9th next season and that'll probably be above Everton.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 Everton used to be the Mersyside Millionaires, compared to those days they are skin, they still have more money and pulling power than us. I feel like a teacher on this forum most days. Someone REALLY has ideas above their station don't they?
Sour Mash Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 Chelsea were relatively unknown? Carry on. The issue was they went to unfashionable clubs as they were offered an awful lot of money, we will have to do the same to get the cream? Its not that difficult, the days of getting Keegan are long gone, that era is over. Your points are relevant for a top 3-4 finish, but not for a club to be pushing for 7th or 8th.
Saint Garrett Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 Chelsea were relatively unknown? Carry on. The issue was they went to unfashionable clubs as they were offered an awful lot of money, we will have to do the same to get the cream? Its not that difficult, the days of getting Keegan are long gone, that era is over. No, but Drogba was. Unproven in the Prem and they rightly took the risk in signing him.
saintfully Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 What 14-17 players shall we sign? Thats tricky, I was thinking we only needed 11-13 (or some other made-up random number plucked out of the air to prove what a di.ckish point I'm making).
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 I guess we should of beaten Leeds then? Buffet would not touch a Premeirship football club to make money, Carry on Perkins. "...we should have beaten Leeds then." Jesus H Christ.
Barry Sanchez Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 I think we'll finish 8/9th next season and that'll probably be above Everton. Why when the lowest they have finished in the last 5 odd years is 8th?
Barry Sanchez Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 "...we should have beaten Leeds then." Jesus H Christ. No he was not playing.
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 No sometimes you seem a pedantic ***** on spelling on here, carry on Perkins. That's not a spelling problem, it's being unable to construct simple sentences.
Saint Garrett Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 Why when the lowest they have finished in the last 5 odd years is 8th? Because Moyes might go, Baines and Fellaini might go, a few of their key players will be another year older...all depends on who they bring in. Neville, Osman, Heitinga, Distin must all be on the cusp.
Barry Sanchez Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 Thats tricky, I was thinking we only needed 11-13 (or some other made-up random number plucked out of the air to prove what a di.ckish point I'm making). So you can see Hooiveld Lee Guly Butterfield Barnard Sharp Martin Dickson Fox Playing a part in taking us to the top 7? Or maybe our youth without any experience of the Premiership? Isgrove Sinclair Gape Moore Chambers etc etc.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 Why when the lowest they have finished in the last 5 odd years is 8th? You will maybe need to report some of the posters who are bullying you? You're one of the best posters on here - sick of watching all the best posters being driven out of here by the internet bullies. Dont let them get to you!! Keep your chin up Barry
Barry Sanchez Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 You will maybe need to report some of the posters who are bullying you? You're one of the best posters on here - sick of watching all the best posters being driven out of here by the internet bullies. Dont let them get to you!! Keep your chin up Barry Cheers Glasgow, its posters like you that keep me going, aint nobody got time for that.
Matthew Le God Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 (edited) So you can see Lee Butterfield Martin Barnard Dickson Playing a part in taking us to the top 7? Why have you included these players? They aren't being used this season and Saints are already in mid table without them in the squad. You could also add Seaborne, Hammond, Forecast, De Ridder and Forte to your list. They are deadwood this season and will all be moved out of the club asap. Edited 3 April, 2013 by Matthew Le God
Barry Sanchez Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 Why have you included these players? They aren't being used this season and Saints are already in mid table without them in the squad. You could also add Seaborne, Hammond, Forecast and Forte to your list. They are deadwood this season and will all be moved out of the club asap. You could it was not a comphrehensive list merely one showing that to compete we would need many new players, this obvious practice is beyond most on here.
Wes Tender Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 You will maybe need to report some of the posters who are bullying you? You're one of the best posters on here - sick of watching all the best posters being driven out of here by the internet bullies. Dont let them get to you!! Keep your chin up Barry :lol:
Saint Garrett Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 You could it was not a comphrehensive list merely one showing that to compete we would need many new players, this obvious practice is beyond most on here. But if they haven't played this season, why would you expect them to be involved next season or the season after when we want to be chasing top 10 or better? They simply won't.
Matthew Le God Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 (edited) You could it was not a comphrehensive list merely one showing that to compete we would need many new players, this obvious practice is beyond most on here. And my point was that as those players aren't currently being used by Saints (most of them loaned out this season), they don't need to be directly replaced as they aren't in the current Saints Premier League squad anyway. They are surplus and have come about as a result of successive promotions and them not being good enough to progress as quickly as the club has. Edited 3 April, 2013 by Matthew Le God
saintfully Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 So you can see Hooiveld Lee Guly Butterfield Barnard Sharp Martin Dickson Fox Playing a part in taking us to the top 7? Or maybe our youth without any experience of the Premiership? Isgrove Sinclair Gape Moore Chambers etc etc. I don't think we'll ship out all those players you've listed (a total of 14) unless we have better players to bring in. I do think we could be capable of hitting the top 7 if some of those players remain, but we replace others with higher quality. My question to you is - if bring in only 13 new players, which of the remaining squad do you pinpoint as the weak link that makes 7th place unobtainable? Or were you just spouting boll.ox whilst you fumbled your way around 'The Big Book of Grammar for Kidzzzzzz'?
Barry Sanchez Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 I don't think we'll ship out all those players you've listed (a total of 14) unless we have better players to bring in. I do think we could be capable of hitting the top 7 if some of those players remain, but we replace others with higher quality. My question to you is - if bring in only 13 new players, which of the remaining squad do you pinpoint as the weak link that makes 7th place unobtainable? Or were you just spouting boll.ox whilst you fumbled your way around 'The Big Book of Grammar for Kidzzzzzz'? Sorry I could of named more (I did state that), you also dont think other teams wil think of improving their squads? No way will we make 7th or higher, we are 4 points of the relegation and yet we are going to be challenging for Europe? Deluded or what?
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 Sorry I could of named more (I did state that), you also dont think other teams wil think of improving their squads? No way will we make 7th or higher, we are 4 points of the relegation and yet we are going to be challenging for Europe? Deluded or what? True it will never, ever happen. Just don't tell Everton, or David Moyes that.
Saint Garrett Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 Players IMO that are capable of being in a 'top 7 squad'... Boruc, Clyne, Shaw, Cork, Morgan, Lallana, Gaston, J-Rod, Lambert.....You could also argue Yoshi as well, and maybe Forren but who knows about him? We have players who can do a job in a mid table side....S Davis, Fonte, Puncheon, JWP, And then those who will struggle to compete....K Davis, Hooiveld, Chaplow, Richardson, Fox, Seaborne, Dickson, Barnard, Butterfield, Forte, Gazza, Guly, Lee, De Ridder, Noone knows about Mayuka and I may be a bit harsh on Hooiveld there. Also probably missed some out but oh well. If we can cut a few of those 'strugglers' out and replace them with a few capable of playing for a top 7 team, and a few 'midtable-ers' then who knows what might happen next season. Also if a few of the youngsters can step up then that would be great but hard to know where they will be next season.
saintfully Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 Sorry I could of named more (I did state that), you also dont think other teams wil think of improving their squads? No way will we make 7th or higher, we are 4 points of the relegation and yet we are going to be challenging for Europe? Deluded or what? Deluded? I prefer glass-half-full. The point is, don't our chances depend on who we bring in, not how many (14-17????) and not who we let go. I think you've lost the plot Bazzer - time to admit you just plucked a number out of thin air for effect and move on. Its hardly the crime of the century.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 Players IMO that are capable of being in a 'top 7 squad'... Boruc, Clyne, Shaw, Cork, Morgan, Lallana, Gaston, J-Rod, Lambert.....You could also argue Yoshi as well, and maybe Forren but who knows about him? We have players who can do a job in a mid table side....S Davis, Fonte, Puncheon, JWP, And then those who will struggle to compete....K Davis, Hooiveld, Chaplow, Richardson, Fox, Seaborne, Dickson, Barnard, Butterfield, Forte, Gazza, Guly, Lee, De Ridder, Noone knows about Mayuka and I may be a bit harsh on Hooiveld there. Also probably missed some out but oh well. If we can cut a few of those 'strugglers' out and replace them with a few capable of playing for a top 7 team, and a few 'midtable-ers' then who knows what might happen next season. Also if a few of the youngsters can step up then that would be great but hard to know where they will be next season. Top post
WindsorSaint Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 Skybet have us as 3/1 for a top 10 finish this season, and 20/1 for relegation at the moment. And that is with our current team. And on the back of a terrible start to the season.
Wes Tender Posted 3 April, 2013 Posted 3 April, 2013 Sorry I could of named more (I did state that), you also dont think other teams wil think of improving their squads? No way will we make 7th or higher, we are 4 points of the relegation and yet we are going to be challenging for Europe? Deluded or what? You could HAVE. We might be only four points off the relegation places, but in case you hadn't noticed, we're also in 12th place. I presume that any other team, like us, will try to improve their squads. But also I presume that they will have a core of players whom they consider cannot be improved upon without much difficulty and expense. They will also have some youngsters coming through their ranks who they will blood into their team when they are considered to be good enough for the step up, which will mean that they don't have to lash out lots of money on players imported from other teams. Strengthening for us has more to do with signing extra depth as back up to existing players in most positions, rather than any wholesale replacement of most of the team. As usual, we will only buy if the player is deemed to be better than what we already have. What would be interesting in light of this ridiculous opinion of yours that wholesale changes need to be made to the squad (and ridiculous amounts spent in the event), would be your opinion on which players need to be replaced and who you would suggest as their replacements. Come on, let's have the list; not the list of players who haven't played for us since the second division, the current squad, please.
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