Motd 2 Lambert for England ?

[Bearsy]

It most certainly is. Reported in the Guradian on saturday amongst other places.

 

i hate to be disagreeables but i still don't reckon Lambart can be 4th most chances created in Europe. I'd be suprised if he's even 4th most chances created in Premier Leagues

 

yo got a linkage or something?

[Lets B Avenue]

So I guess everyone on here agrees that Grant Holt should have played for England all last season?

 

No.

 

SRL should have been playing last year, not just now.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

So I guess everyone on here agrees that Grant Holt should have played for England all last season?

 

think he was more deserving of a place in the squad than Andy Carroll.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

He's got Beattie's support, make of that what you will...

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22026818

[Graffito]

So I guess everyone on here agrees that Grant Holt should have played for England all last season?

 

You guess wrong. I fail to see how you can draw that suggestion from the comments made.

[Wes Tender]

If Hodgson won't utilise Saints players at the moment, then he could do a lot worse than employ Southampton's style of play. That's been damned effective of late.

 

Perhaps Clyne, Cork and Shaw are ones for the future in an England shirt, so we may look forward to that perhaps.

 

No reason in the meantime that Lambert couldn't do a job for England up to and including the World Cup. Apart from his goal scoring prowess, he brings a lot more to a team in his holding up of the ball and telling passes. He really does have a good footballing brain compared to some of the donkeys that England has had up front in the past.

[dinger]

I don't see any reason why he shouldn't be given at least a run off the bench in the next couple of games. We've got a major tournament to qualify for and compete in, and he's the top scoring/creating Englishman. If his form tails off between now and the World Cup, just drop him. Nobody's saying England should build a team around him. Building a team for the future is great, but needs to be done on a rolling basis alongside a bit of nous for the here and now, otherwise you end up with the Arsenal syndrome of constantly being a couple of years away from actually achieving something.

 

Looking at our striking options:

Rooney seems undroppable (whatever you think about that)

Sturridge looks like becoming the real deal in time

Theo offers something different there and out wide.

After that though, Defoe is utterly one-trick and the weak link in a smashing Spurs side (and certainly not the future)

Welbeck is simply not good enough yet and who can tell if he will be (great energy and movement, no passing or finishing)

Andy Carroll? Lambert deserves a place on the bench ahead of any of them IMO

[Bearsy]

It's a real conundrum for hodgsons!

 

Lambert 14 Goals 7 Assists

Sturridge 5 Goals 3 Assists

Carroll 5 Goals 1 Assist

Wellbeck 1 Goal 4 Assists

[Jimmy_D]

no offences but this don't seem to be true yo

 

Seems like 4th best in Prem at least from open play.

 

http://bwinbetting.com/leagues/premier-league/lambert-give-boss-adkins-royal-awakening,38901.html

[Saint_Tony]

There's a chance he might be able to help them out with penalties;)

 

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[Dig Dig]

It's a real conundrum for hodgsons!

 

Lambert 14 Goals 7 Assists

Sturridge 5 Goals 3 Assists

Carroll 5 Goals 1 Assist

Wellbeck 1 Goal 4 Assists

 

It's all about who might be good in 5 years time. Welbeck may have learnd how to finish some chances by then

[Noodles34]

No.

 

SRL should have been playing last year, not just now.

 

seriously?

[Noodles34]

You guess wrong. I fail to see how you can draw that suggestion from the comments made.

 

I'm not guessing, seems like most on here think he should be playing due to the fact that he is the English top scorer, much the same as Holt last season, so if its good enough for Lambert today, then it should have been good enough for Holt last season, based on goals scored anyway.

[Roger]

I'm not guessing, seems like most on here think he should be playing due to the fact that he is the English top scorer, much the same as Holt last season, so if its good enough for Lambert today, then it should have been good enough for Holt last season, based on goals scored anyway.

 

Again garbage. Think ur picture of bean foot sums you up. Thing is holt is more of a cart horse whereas to rickie has skill, two good feet, vision, awareness, brill at penalties, great a set pieces and great at crossing.

[Noodles34]

Again garbage. Think ur picture of bean foot sums you up. Thing is holt is more of a cart horse whereas to rickie has skill, two good feet, vision, awareness, brill at penalties, great a set pieces and great at crossing.

 

Hey Rog, you're back. Garbage eh? You think Norwich fans would agree?

And if you have to abuse me, please do it in proper English.

 

Do you kiss your poster every night after you say goodnight to your mum and dad? Then tuck yourself into your Saints duvet and pillow set? Are you allowed to go to Reading on Saturday?

[Chewy]

Hey Rog, you're back. Garbage eh? You think Norwich fans would agree?

And if you have to abuse me, please do it in proper English.

 

Do you kiss your poster every night after you say goodnight to your mum and dad? Then tuck yourself into your Saints duvet and pillow set? Are you allowed to go to Reading on Saturday?

 

So young, in fact, that you'd rather pick him for England ahead of lambert as we are building for the future?

[Graffito]

I'm not guessing, seems like most on here think he should be playing due to the fact that he is the English top scorer, much the same as Holt last season, so if its good enough for Lambert today, then it should have been good enough for Holt last season, based on goals scored anyway.

 

You used the word "guess" Nood.

[Noodles34]

You used the word "guess" Nood.

 

Eh? You did Banksy.

[simo]

I've said before imo the top English scorer in the highest league in England should demand a place in the squad no matter what their age team or speed ! But at the end of the day average players from big clubs get more media exposure for the sponsors simples

[Noodles34]

So young, in fact, that you'd rather pick him for England ahead of lambert as we are building for the future?

 

When did I say that? I don't advocate Holt for England over Lambert. My points are, to clarify to some on here are:

If lambert should play for England based on the fact of how many goals he has scored then Holt should have played last season, I cannot see how anyone can disagree with that. The argument that SRL is a much better player than Holt is all very well (and extremely valid) but Holt was also playing well last year. But all I keep hearing is that SRL has scored more than any other English player, so we should pick players purely on current form, which goes back to Holt last season and Bobby Zamora and Andy Carroll the year before.

But my original point was that if we start picking players like SRL for England now, where are we gong with he national team? Are we just playing for now, because if we are then we are doomed. I see a bleak enough future for the national side when players like Aaron Martin cannot even get a look in against someone like Jos, let alone not trying to develop players like OXC in the national side. If the club managers cannot play English players, we are only left with developing them at international level, which would clearly stuff us for a major comp or two but we may actually develop a young decent national team, a bit like we are doing at the moment at St Mary's. and the argument thrown at me that in that case SRL should be dropped for an emerging younger player does not cut it. Saints are competing in every game and need to be now, that is not really the case for the national side"

FWIW I would love to see SRL play for England because of course that is what he wants, and fair play to him, but as a Saints fan (sorry Rog), I hope he doesn't get a sniff because England are ****e and boring, and he will just get slated if we play badly, and Hodgson will pull him off and then drop him. Sort of reminds me of another talisman we had that never really came back from that.

[Roger]

When did I say that? I don't advocate Holt for England over Lambert. My points are, to clarify to some on here are:

If lambert should play for England based on the fact of how many goals he has scored then Holt should have played last season, I cannot see how anyone can disagree with that. The argument that SRL is a much better player than Holt is all very well (and extremely valid) but Holt was also playing well last year. But all I keep hearing is that SRL has scored more than any other English player, so we should pick players purely on current form, which goes back to Holt last season and Bobby Zamora and Andy Carroll the year before.

But my original point was that if we start picking players like SRL for England now, where are we gong with he national team? Are we just playing for now, because if we are then we are doomed. I see a bleak enough future for the national side when players like Aaron Martin cannot even get a look in against someone like Jos, let alone not trying to develop players like OXC in the national side. If the club managers cannot play English players, we are only left with developing them at international level, which would clearly stuff us for a major comp or two but we may actually develop a young decent national team, a bit like we are doing at the moment at St Mary's. and the argument thrown at me that in that case SRL should be dropped for an emerging younger player does not cut it. Saints are competing in every game and need to be now, that is not really the case for the national side"

FWIW I would love to see SRL play for England because of course that is what he wants, and fair play to him, but as a Saints fan (sorry Rog), I hope he doesn't get a sniff because England are ****e and boring, and he will just get slated if we play badly, and Hodgson will pull him off and then drop him. Sort of reminds me of another talisman we had that never really came back from that.

 

Okay you actually made sense with that post. However, I don't think rickie would play massive role to have that treatment and would be great for him to have even one cap. I think he could also make a contribution as he plays like teddy who played until he was older.

[Chewy]

When did I say that? I don't advocate Holt for England over Lambert. My points are, to clarify to some on here are:

If lambert should play for England based on the fact of how many goals he has scored then Holt should have played last season, I cannot see how anyone can disagree with that. The argument that SRL is a much better player than Holt is all very well (and extremely valid) but Holt was also playing well last year. But all I keep hearing is that SRL has scored more than any other English player, so we should pick players purely on current form, which goes back to Holt last season and Bobby Zamora and Andy Carroll the year before.

But my original point was that if we start picking players like SRL for England now, where are we gong with he national team? Are we just playing for now, because if we are then we are doomed. I see a bleak enough future for the national side when players like Aaron Martin cannot even get a look in against someone like Jos, let alone not trying to develop players like OXC in the national side. If the club managers cannot play English players, we are only left with developing them at international level, which would clearly stuff us for a major comp or two but we may actually develop a young decent national team, a bit like we are doing at the moment at St Mary's. and the argument thrown at me that in that case SRL should be dropped for an emerging younger player does not cut it. Saints are competing in every game and need to be now, that is not really the case for the national side"

FWIW I would love to see SRL play for England because of course that is what he wants, and fair play to him, but as a Saints fan (sorry Rog), I hope he doesn't get a sniff because England are ****e and boring, and he will just get slated if we play badly, and Hodgson will pull him off and then drop him. Sort of reminds me of another talisman we had that never really came back from that.

 

You said j-rod should go ahead of lambert, that if lambert was picked for brazil we might as well not go, and that we needed a progressive England manager who was building for the future. You can admit you were wrong if you like, it is allowed, especially when you are.

[Hedgehog]

Unfortunately there will be more of a media clamour for Beckham to be recalled than Lambert being picked. The TV pundits were wetting themselves again the other night about Beckham and how wonderful his passing was etc. Well as far as I am concerned Rickie at times has just the same passing ability as that over rated tatooed hasbeen. Really Beckham with all those England caps, many towards the end for cameo performances not justifying a cap, but hey ho no justice in this world, if your name fits....

[Graffito]

Eh? You did Banksy.

 

Your post number 49 Nood:

 

"So I guess everyone on here agrees that Grant Holt should have played for England all last season?"

[Noodles34]

Your post number 49 Nood:

 

"So I guess everyone on here agrees that Grant Holt should have played for England all last season?"

 

ok, what is your point? Mine is, if SRL is good enough now, then Holt was last season, I was guessing that everyone agrees with that, if I am wrong is it just a case of SRL plays for Saints, so obviously he is better than Holt and deserves to play for England?

[Noodles34]

You said j-rod should go ahead of lambert, that if lambert was picked for brazil we might as well not go, and that we needed a progressive England manager who was building for the future. You can admit you were wrong if you like, it is allowed, especially when you are.

 

Cant be wrong with a theory. If England decided tomorrow that they are building for the WC 2018, then tyhey would be better off puitting J Rod in for Lambert, or do you think Lambert might play a role in Russia?

[Noodles34]

Okay you actually made sense with that post. However, I don't think rickie would play massive role to have that treatment and would be great for him to have even one cap. I think he could also make a contribution as he plays like teddy who played until he was older.

 

Rog, how can you compare Rickie to Teddy Sheringham FFS. tbh, you simply cannot compare todays England players to the England of the 90's.

 

Trouble with this place is there are too many of people like you on here, who believe that any player that dons a shirt must be capable of stepping up to the national level, why? Because he plays for Saints and anyone who would dare suggest otherwise is called a Pompey fan!! WTF.

We love our players (except for Guly), but gets get a bit realistic and debate sensibly instead of calling names.

Edited 5 April, 2013 by Noodles34

[NickG]

Tbf wasn't that long ago people doubted he would be good enough for the championship.

 

Wasn't someone teased for comparing with Torres? Funny how it turned out, it is silly comparison - class apart in premiership - but not way round would expect!

 

Ignoring name, reputation, age etc...how many forwards from any club would have improved our season , if they had been here instead of him? Very few.

[Wes Tender]

ok, what is your point? Mine is, if SRL is good enough now, then Holt was last season, I was guessing that everyone agrees with that, if I am wrong is it just a case of SRL plays for Saints, so obviously he is better than Holt and deserves to play for England?

 

If the two players were rated equally with the same sort of strengths, then you might have a point. But Lambert is the far better player of the two, with more in his locker than Holt, including a better footballing brain.

[Noodles34]

If the two players were rated equally with the same sort of strengths, then you might have a point. But Lambert is the far better player of the two, with more in his locker than Holt, including a better footballing brain.

 

Yeah, i completely agree, but Norwich fans were saying last year, Grant Holt, top goalscorer etc. etc. he should be in the England team, just like what we are saying today - so Holt wasn't picked last season even though he was the top English scorer (maybe?), so how can we claim Lambert should be picked this season. Dont give me this Lambert is so much a better play stuff, we know that, neutral fans know that, the criteria Woy is looking at will be goals scored, but even then he still picks Wellbeck, Lambert is best out of it, the whole England set up is in a rapid decline.

[Wes Tender]

Yeah, i completely agree, but Norwich fans were saying last year, Grant Holt, top goalscorer etc. etc. he should be in the England team, just like what we are saying today - so Holt wasn't picked last season even though he was the top English scorer (maybe?), so how can we claim Lambert should be picked this season. Dont give me this Lambert is so much a better play stuff, we know that, neutral fans know that, the criteria Woy is looking at will be goals scored, but even then he still picks Wellbeck, Lambert is best out of it, the whole England set up is in a rapid decline.

 

Our opinions that Lambert is the better player than Holt can be dismissed as bias towards our player, but you admit yourself that neutral fans also know that he is better than Holt. So why shouldn't Hodgson also realise that if he were to consider either of them, then Lambert would have the better credentials? It is simply a matter that there are other factors that influence him, like us being a smaller unfashionable club and that there is probably more pressure on him from the glory club fans and the glory club supporting media hacks to choose players from those clubs. To choose a player like Lambert requires nerve and imagination, whereas if he chooses a player from a higher profile club, the media and fans are less likely to be critical if he fails, as they would be criticising their own idols.

 

As you say, the inability of the England managers to pick those players most in form, regardless of Club or age, has England in terminal decline Internationally.

[Junior Mullet]

Rickie should never and will never play for England. He's too bloody good.

 

How the hell do Cleverley and Milner keep turning out for England BTW? Limited players.

[Dig Dig]

Rickie should never and will never play for England. He's too bloody good.How the hell do Cleverley and Milner keep turning out for England BTW? Limited players.

 

That makes no sense at all