Turkish Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Well, Pocchetino left Espanyol nov 26th so that final decision was never made "way before" december.... You're assuming MP was the only man to be offered the job. He wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Rog, if you read my previous post you'll see I prefer MP, and think most other fans do. I just have a bit of an issue with people making things up about Adkins performance here, and implying we were doomed to relegation until we changed manager. Its entirely incorrect. Completely 100 % right mate. Also think our fans should Sing his name. Cortese although very clever handled the situation poorly for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Robbie savage picking lamberts one on one miss vs Liverpool and then saying one on ones are his weakness. I can't even remember him missing another one. To be fair, I can't even remember him HAVING another one, that's because one of his weaknesses is having the pace to get himself into those positions. He doesn't get 1:1s because 1) we don't often play through balls to him and 2) he wouldn't get away from the defence if we did. There are plenty of other ways to use him effectively though, and clearly at the moment, using Ramirez in midfield to feed through balls to someone who won't benefit from them is much less effective than using someone else in midfield who can press and win us the ball upfield with Lambert already near the goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Well, Pocchetino left Espanyol nov 26th so that final decision was never made "way before" december.... A certain di Manager got offered the job before the season kicked off, though. So the "final decision" was made way before that. A certain di Manager also got offered the job before MP, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 We have 12 points instead of 11 points. That's the only certainty. F**k knows whether we would have beaten Wigan, Newcastle and QPR. We couldn't beat Wigan at home (or Sunderland or Norwich, two other relegation rivals, for that matter). If NA had done so, he would have equaled the number of away wins he had mustered all season. Wishful thinking IMO. MP hasn't turned around a sinking ship or turned us into world beaters; but we have kicked on. And the difference is greater than the stats on paper suggest. And you'd have said it was wishful thinking to think we'd beat Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea back in late Jan wouldn't you. Th facts are we've won games we didn't expect to and lost ones you'd expect us to win. Adkins record against teams around us is much better than MPs and these are the games that matter in a relegation scrap. For the record though I do think we look a better team under MP and think he could be a great manager for us. But then I wasn't one of the ones saying Akdins was totally in control, under no pressure for his job and the best manager we've ever had was I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 To be fair, I can't even remember him HAVING another one, that's because one of his weaknesses is having the pace to get himself into those positions. He doesn't get 1:1s because 1) we don't often play through balls to him and 2) he wouldn't get away from the defence if we did. There are plenty of other ways to use him effectively though, and clearly at the moment, using Ramirez in midfield to feed through balls to someone who won't benefit from them is much less effective than using someone else in midfield who can press and win us the ball upfield with Lambert already near the goal. Fair enough but can remember the villa game when the two were awesome. I think it can still work and gaston has looked good recently. Also rickie and jrod are switching regularly so when gaston is back I'm sure they can work it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 A certain di Manager got offered the job before the season kicked off, though. So the "final decision" was made way before that. A certain di Mmanager also got offered the job before MP, too. PROOF? where is your PROOF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 PROOF? where is your PROOF? I heard it on TalkSport. Adrian Durham said it was so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 I heard it on TalkSport. Adrian Durham said it was so What time? Tell me the EXACT time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 A certain di Manager got offered the job before the season kicked off, though. So the "final decision" was made way before that. A certain di Manager also got offered the job before MP, too. Or before last season ended if you believe Alan Nixon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 I heard it on TalkSport. Adrian Durham said it was so A taxi driver told me that he had a player in his cab after the Libherr trophy preseason and he reckons after the first game Adkins told several key players the chairman didn't rate him and he was going to be sacked soon, this was obviously bullsh*t as Adkins gave an interview a few weeks later saying he and the chairman had a great relationship and was working incredibly hard behind the scenes to make transfers happen and being very supportive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Or before last season ended if you believe Alan Nixon. My Chelsea mate read that article and when we were out for lunch with a client remembered it and told me about it over a glass of white Rioja.to be fair he's a bullsh*tter and most definitely didn't tell me the Clyne story was a load of ******** and they aren't interested in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 As for as comparing results, a lot of people seem to have overlooked the fact that the players took a good few games to get used to the pace of the Prem as well. At the start of the season we had a pretty inexperienced team in Prem terms, now we have a squad of players many of whom have 20-30 games at this level - I'd love to say we wouldn't slip up against Wigan at home now like we did in August, but we weren't much different at their place early in Pochettino's reign, and we were still making some, but far fewer, daft errors on Saturday - you just get used to making those decisions at pace. For a good illustration of the thousands of split second decisions and how regular playing in the Prem helps make you more accustomed to that level, you only have to look at Kelvin twice hacking the ball off the pitch - he hasn't been called upon for 3 months and it didn't show in his shot-stopping which you can train over and over again, it showed in his passing under pressure from unfamiliar players, which is much tougher to recreate. So, anyway, bit harsh for Adkins to carry the can when the improvement of players was always going to take time - which is why people were calling for us to get experience in to start with. It looks as though we've ridden that learning curve out and a fair few of our "inexperienced" players are proving their worth. FWIW, we only had 3 starters on Saturday who played in our capitulation at Blackpool this time last year : Hooiveld, Schneiderlin and Cork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Or before last season ended if you believe Alan Nixon. Ha ha ha. Seriously though; instead of the patronising attitude you should perhaps listen to exactly where some "rumours" come from. You make dislike some posters on here but they do have accurate sources, no matter how much denigrating them tries to shut it out for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 A taxi driver told me that he had a player in his cab after the Libherr trophy preseason and he reckons after the first game Adkins told several key players the chairman didn't rate him and he was going to be sacked soon, this was obviously bullsh*t as Adkins gave an interview a few weeks later saying he and the chairman had a great relationship and was working incredibly hard behind the scenes to make transfers happen and being very supportive. Did he try and sell you some over priced electrical equipment at the end of the journey? If so, I think I know the cabby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Fair enough but can remember the villa game when the two were awesome. I think it can still work and gaston has looked good recently. Also rickie and jrod are switching regularly so when gaston is back I'm sure they can work it out. See my point about teams with Prem experience - Villa are massively lacking in that area and that's probably their biggest problem. Their youngsters don't seem to have stepped up like Saints' players have though, I think we maybe had a core of success and confidence from L1 and Championship winning seasons that Villa can't call on. And they were bloody awful when we played them. I'm a big fan of his, but Gaston's going to need to up his workrate to get into this team unless we completely change our style (again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Did he try and sell you some over priced electrical equipment at the end of the journey? If so, I think I know the cabby. If it wasn't apple, it wasn't him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 See my point about teams with Prem experience - Villa are massively lacking in that area and that's probably their biggest problem. Their youngsters don't seem to have stepped up like Saints' players have though, I think we maybe had a core of success and confidence from L1 and Championship winning seasons that Villa can't call on. And they were bloody awful when we played them. I'm a big fan of his, but Gaston's going to need to up his workrate to get into this team unless we completely change our style (again). Tbf thought gaston played well va qpr and Norwich and first half vs Liverpool. I think we will see the best of gaston next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Did he try and sell you some over priced electrical equipment at the end of the journey? If so, I think I know the cabby. Being honest it wasn't a cabby. I was trying to big my part up and pretend I go out more than I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 My Chelsea mate read that article and when we were out for lunch with a client remembered it and told me about it over a glass of white Rioja.to be fair he's a bullsh*tter and most definitely didn't tell me the Clyne story was a load of ******** and they aren't interested in him. Sceptical, moi? ...Now the one about Reed and Cortese picking the side, I definitely believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Robbie Savage just said Rickie won't play for England cos he's dodgy when 1 on 1 with keeper! FFS. The pace thing is actually pretty much what Le Saux said on the BBC website as well, maybe they and Lawrenson do conference calls to decide why certain players aren't getting picked for England. For me it's a combination of (primarily) his age, that he's repeating Holt's success from last season and he also didn't get a call up - which I think is because they both succeed in teams that are geared up to take advantage of their strengths, and that he doesn't play the kind of style Hodgson wants. It's not just about pace, it's about doing what he does AND having pace. Apparently unless you're Andy Carroll, who's horsesh11t on the ball but has pace. Or Welbeck, who... anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 Tbf thought gaston played well va qpr and Norwich and first half vs Liverpool. I think we will see the best of gaston next season He has obvious skills, but it's clearly Rodriguez's ability to get in behind (aided by Lambert's movement when he pulls defenders away from other runs) that's the key to exploiting Ramirez's strengths - he also needs to learn another trick alongside that one first touch flick and roll he does, everyone's read it in the last couple of months.] He's had some decent spells but the games where we've played in spells are the ones we haven't won (eg Wigan a, QPR h, Newcastle a, Norwich a). I'm not suggesting they're spells due to Ramirez though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 I've asked several times in the last few months and not received a reply, so ill ask again. At what point in the last two months did Adkins stop being the new Alex Ferguson and the best manager we've ever had, the guy we should stick with even if we go down and become this tedious, clueless, grinning bumpkin who was leading us to disaster? Friday 18th January. Noon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 31 March, 2013 Share Posted 31 March, 2013 I just have a bit of an issue with people making things up about Adkins performance here, and implying we were doomed to relegation until we changed manager. Its entirely incorrect. To be fair, there's just as much unqualified talk of NA's achievements. I don't think we were doomed to relegation, but I honestly never knew how ANY game would go, or how we'd line up. I've got a fair idea of what I'm going to see under MP, and it's usually exciting stuff. What I find particularly pleasing is the "we can beat anybody" mentality. Sometimes, it's not going to come off - but I can live with that as I know we're trying to win. At times, we looked utterly clueless under NA. One year ago, a crowd of spirited Saints fans saw exactly this at Bloomfield Road. NA is now back in the game and will rightfully be judged on his performance. I hope he does well, but if he turns out to be total dogsh!te, people are naturally going to reevaluate his career. Managerial stars rise and fall all the time, sometimes to the extent where any previous achievements are explained away. Also, managers can disappear quickly up their own backsides. Look at how quickly Phil Brown turned from messianic promotion-winner of unfancied team to being perceived as some kind of perma-tanned Yosser Hughes, CVs ready to go at a moment's notice. There has been a lot of unsubstantiated talk and speculation about the sort of restrictions that Nigel was under, that he wasn't candid in interviews because of the big bad chairman and spoke in cliches to guard his true intentions. That, my good man, is increasingly looking like a load of b*llocks. I'm not attributing that sentiment to yourself, but stalwarts of this board will have seen such sentiments expressed. Even when NA was still employed, we had people remark on how much more articulate Crosby was in his interview. MP is as candid as he can be in his interviews, and seems to speak freely and passionately about non-Adkins related issues. Meanwhile, Reading Council have just spent 3 days clearing a biblical flood of cliches from local drainage systems. Alright, I embellished the last bit; but from the evidence so far, it looks like it's very much a case of "what you see is what you get" with NA. His decision to take the Reading job is baffling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 1 April, 2013 Share Posted 1 April, 2013 Laying Wigan at MO's door. FFs so much luck in football and not all manager's doing. Would NA not have had Shaw not clear the ball in last minute so we would have won? Saints played v well 2nd half and any idiot think NA would've got the win is a fool. Futile. Having said that NA is a legend and sure we'd have been ok wit him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted 1 April, 2013 Share Posted 1 April, 2013 If like to thank Nigel Pearson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 1 April, 2013 Share Posted 1 April, 2013 the reason a team has a manager is for him to impose his authority on the team and utilise their best talents. NA did that for a couple of seasons in the lower divisions. All the good things said about NA were correct, and more, but Pochettino has taken us to the next stage ---and utilising the same squad, that surely says something for the man's expertise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 1 April, 2013 Share Posted 1 April, 2013 I've seen a few fans 'upset' at the way MoPo answered the question which I don't really get. What is he supposed to say to it? What does he personally have to thank Adkins for? It was an unprofessional dig from the interviewer as far as I am concerned and felt that MoPo handled it well! p.s. The interpreter's face was a picture. Anyway back to the OP... Radio Solent asked MP about Adkins next week too, but a much more sensible question: along the lines of "next week there will be huge focus from the fans and the media, because of NA, but i guess you will be least affected as you dont know him?" MP said he would say happily say hello to NA as he has great respect for what he has achieved here. Beyond that, we will focus on winning the game. Spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 1 April, 2013 Share Posted 1 April, 2013 Friday 18th January. Noon.Earlier than that for me....it was Fulham at home...then again Fulham away with poor tactics and subs. I also hear that an Italian manager was approached before Pochettino was appointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 1 April, 2013 Share Posted 1 April, 2013 If like to thank Nigel Pearson. He was more hard done by then NA. NA is a good manager and i still believe he should be our manager however he is not and MP has got us playing good football and beating top teams, yes did he take over a side NA built, but i feel he made it better, hes got us playing much better football and using the younger players much better, Jay Rod and Morgan have benefited the most from MP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danner Posted 1 April, 2013 Share Posted 1 April, 2013 I've seen a few fans 'upset' at the way MoPo answered the question which I don't really get. What is he supposed to say to it? What does he personally have to thank Adkins for? It was an unprofessional dig from the interviewer as far as I am concerned and felt that MoPo handled it well! p.s. The interpreter's face was a picture. They asked Adkins the same thing about Pardew and he said no as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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