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Funny how Carroll has one good game and people are talking about him getting back in the England squad. What about having a good season?

 

FWIW I agree that Lambert is not the future for England, so I understand him not being picked. I do think he's made a mug of many top class defenders this season though, and if he carries on this form into next season, surely he has to go to the World Cup no matter his age.

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Funny how Carroll has one good game and people are talking about him getting back in the England squad. What about having a good season?

 

FWIW I agree that Lambert is not the future for England, so I understand him not being picked. I do think he's made a mug of many top class defenders this season though, and if he carries on this form into next season, surely he has to go to the World Cup no matter his age.

 

Ricky is a far better all round player than Caroll look at the stats on assists and on closing down. Caroll is a lump up front like Holt and nothing else!

Why are we interested in the long term! The world cup is next year and Ricky will still be fine by then! It's about time we do what the Germans do and pick a team to peak at the World Cup!

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Who cares what that idiot Savage thinks - he is welsh isn't he - he is trying to sabotage the England side - oh we have have Hodgson 'I love underperforming Manure players' doing that already

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Ricky is a far better all round player than Caroll look at the stats on assists and on closing down. Caroll is a lump up front like Holt and nothing else!

Why are we interested in the long term! The world cup is next year and Ricky will still be fine by then! It's about time we do what the Germans do and pick a team to peak at the World Cup!

 

Would have shoved someone like Shaw in against San Marino for the experience... and stuck Lahm on the Right. And yes they would take the leading Scorer regardless of age... which I guess is why since including 66... 6 WC final apprearance even when talent levels have beem lower...eg 2002.

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Apples and pears comparison. Rickie isn't a carthorse, a physically dominant targetman. The comparison doesn't do justice to his game. Rickie has a brain and footballing awareness. Something that's hard to teach and something Carroll will never have .

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West Ham fans never cease to amaze me. Carroll has been injured for most of the season, scores one or two, and is instantly international class - rather than someone who has played nearly every game this season and scored plenty.

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West Ham fans never cease to amaze me. Carroll has been injured for most of the season, scores one or two, and is instantly international class - rather than someone who has played nearly every game this season and scored plenty.

 

Apart from the few down the road, they are the the most classless club I've come across.

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Apples and pears comparison. Rickie isn't a carthorse, a physically dominant targetman. The comparison doesn't do justice to his game. Rickie has a brain and footballing awareness. Something that's hard to teach and something Carroll will never have .

 

Absolutely!

Rickie is a similar type of player to Teddy Sheringham - Not the quickest but has the 2 most important attributes - His reading of the game and his goal scoring prowess..

 

Carroll can't compete with him IMHO

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It amazes me that this far into the season people still want to compare Lambert to Holt. The only comparison that justly springs to mind is Sheringham, and how old was when he won the bulk of his caps? I remember Platini being interviewed a few years after his successful tenure as France manager and he said that he felt the key to International management was to pick players on form regardless of age. Back then the comment was discussed by Saints fans with regard to Jimmy Case, it's just as relevant now with SRL...

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It's like trying to compare Holt to Lambert. Only people that couldn't give two hoots about either would draw that comparison - lower league players, risen up, goalscorers that score goals in their first Premier League season.

 

There's a massive difference though, Lambert is intrical to the way we play, a creator as well as a scorer. Holt is a fat battering ram. I know a lot of Norwich fans and most of them say they'd rather have Lambert over Holt this season.

 

I personally don't think Lambert will ever see the England squad - but if Jay continues playing as he is, he surely won't be far behind...

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well how many caps did Heskey get and how many goals? SRL is more than a goalscorer, like Sheringham and Heskey he could defo do a job, and was exactly the player England needed midweek to hold up the ball, but Englands loss our gain,

 

heres hoping none of our players get called up, if injured playing for Saints thats hard luck but playing internationals could be costly

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Carroll should never be mentioned as being called up. He is a useless lump who can't stand up. SRL is leagues better and should be beyond comparison.

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This building for the future is a load of crap. We've been building for the future since 1966 and we've won fck all. Football's played in the present. We haven't even qualified yet. If Caroll gets picked ahead of Lambert then that's it for me with England until the manger is replaced.

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well how many caps did Heskey get and how many goals?

 

62 caps, 7 goals.

 

For comparison, Teddy Sheringham got 51 caps and 11 goals.

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Ricky is a far better all round player than Caroll look at the stats on assists and on closing down. Caroll is a lump up front like Holt and nothing else!

Why are we interested in the long term! The world cup is next year and Ricky will still be fine by then! It's about time we do what the Germans do and pick a team to peak at the World Cup!

 

I agree with you. I didn't really articulate my point properly.

 

Clearly if Lambert were to get in the squad, he is not going to play for England for any longer than a couple of seasons. Hodgson believes the likes of Welbeck and Cleverley are going to form the basis of the side for the next 6-10 years. Whether you agree or not (and you and I clearly don't) that is the policy, so that is why I understand the decision to leave him out. The fact it is entirely the wrong way to go about things IMO is completely by the by.

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I'm happy for him not to be picked. I can imagine if he was and he didn't score, there would be endless talk about how low Hodgson had stooped picking a carthorse, journeyman, clogger from a relegation battling team instead of one of the bright, exciting, young players being brought through by united/Liverpool/whoever, who train week in week out with some of the best players in the world. That wouldn't be good for Lambert's self esteem.

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Great goals from Carroll today, the second proving he's not the useless cart horse some on here would have you believe.

 

Yep, if he can stay fit and put a run of games together he'll score regularly. Don't see it as a Lambert vs Carroll debate really, very different players.

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If you want to play long ball football then you would have Carroll.

 

If you want to play football on the deck then you would have Lambert.

 

Yep; the second half today from Saints was an object lesson in playing football on the deck. He wasn't used as a target man at all.

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I thought an England call up was on merit,obviously not the case

The England setup is too much of a 'jobs for the boys' club where regardless of form you get in the team if your face fits.

Exactly why I don't give a flying **** how England get on and exactly why we will always fail in international competition.

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Carroll is a pub footballer, no better than that. He might have performed agaist St Marino but he will never win out against quality international players. That fact however, does not mean that Rickie will ever get an England cap.

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Carroll is a pub footballer, no better than that. He might have performed agaist St Marino but he will never win out against quality international players. That fact however, does not mean that Rickie will ever get an England cap.

 

He isn't, he didn't play against San Marino, although he did score 2 excellent goals yesterday and performed fairly well at Euro 2012.

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Dont understand why so many in media wants to humiliate Rickie.

 

Having him in a sentence together with either Holt or Carroll are just humiliating.

They should never be compared....

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He isn't, he didn't play against San Marino, although he did score 2 excellent goals yesterday and performed fairly well at Euro 2012.

 

To clarify, I meant had he played against San Marino, my implication being that he will never be a performer against top international sides, only against average or poor international sides. Do you really think he can perform at the highest level?

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Listened to the 'debate' on my four hour drive after the game.

 

Even had a Fat Sham fan agree that Lambert was a better pick currently, had LeTiss tweeting in how it was shameful that he's not in the squad and the overwhelming concensus went to Ricky.

 

Savage is a talentless c*ck with an overbearing, shouting down, annoying voice..why the cluck he's employed in the media I have no idea. He got taken apart by a Saints fan called Peter though...only caught the back end of the actual exchange but it amused his senior presenter that he'd been comprehensively put in his place.

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I thought an England call up was on merit,obviously not the case

The England setup is too much of a 'jobs for the boys' club where regardless of form you get in the team if your face fits.

Exactly why I don't give a flying **** how England get on and exactly why we will always fail in international competition.

 

If we can see it why can't the FA? Its an absolute disgrace TBH. Playing for England is just another way of getting paid more to some players. Oh look I've an international cap - got to be worth a few thousand more a week! The likes of SRL would not have that poxy attitude to pulling on the England jersey I know and who is keeping him out Welbeck? Its ****ing laughable.

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To clarify, I meant had he played against San Marino, my implication being that he will never be a performer against top international sides, only against average or poor international sides. Do you really think he can perform at the highest level?

 

Well he did at Euro 2012 did he not?

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Savage said on twitter he's going to do some analysis on Rickie on MOTD2

 

He said on 5live he might. Suspect he'll look at the evidence to see whether it justifies his position before deciding.

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If we can see it why can't the FA? Its an absolute disgrace TBH. Playing for England is just another way of getting paid more to some players. Oh look I've an international cap - got to be worth a few thousand more a week! The likes of SRL would not have that poxy attitude to pulling on the England jersey I know and who is keeping him out Welbeck? Its ****ing laughable.

Exactly mate,every time an England game comes around you could probably name the squad before its even announced,same old faces regardless of their club form........if we can predict it then so can the opposition,no surprises to scare the **** out of any team we face and complacent England players who know they will be picked regardless.

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Great goals from Carroll today, the second proving he's not the useless cart horse some on here would have you believe.

 

His second was a good finish yesterday. How often does he finish like that though? Once a season? There's a reason that Liverpool don't want him; it's the same reason that will see West Ham pass on the chance to sign him at the end of the season.

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