Phil Neville rates Ramirez

[Saint Garrett]

Could at least put some more reasonable names of players that we might have been able to buy in the summer if you are going to complain that we didn´t buy that type of player but went for Ramirez instead.....??

 

Glenn Whelen, Nolan, Mbia, Gardner, Guthrie....

 

Nope wouldn't swap any for Cork, Morgan or Davis.

[Wes Tender]

If you think Morgan Schneiderlin is a tough tackling midfielder I suggest you find out what a tough tackling midfielder is.

 

I suggest that you do a bit of research before posting your usual infantile drivel.

 

Schneiderlin's stats for tackling and interceptions are currently unrivalled in the Premiership.

 

Or would you want a Chopper Harris, or Norman Hunter, who wouldn't last five minutes in a match without being red-carded?

[Barry Sanchez]

Glenn Whelen, Nolan, Mbia, Gardner, Guthrie....

 

Nope wouldn't swap any for Cork, Morgan or Davis.

 

Ah the old Glen Whelen example, always a pearler that one................

[Barry Sanchez]

I suggest that you do a bit of research before posting your usual infantile drivel.

 

Schneiderlin's stats for tackling and interceptions are currently unrivalled in the Premiership.

 

Or would you want a Chopper Harris, or Norman Hunter, who wouldn't last five minutes in a match without being red-carded?

 

Do these stats make him fly to the moon or bake eggs?

[Olallana]

Glenn Whelen, Nolan, Mbia, Gardner, Guthrie....

 

Nope wouldn't swap any for Cork, Morgan or Davis.

 

Wouldn´t swap all five against one of ours

[Saint Garrett]

Do these stats make him fly to the moon or bake eggs?

 

No but it does make him a superb footballer in the level we play at.

[Barry Sanchez]

No but it does make him a superb footballer in the level we play at.

 

I rate him as a footballer and always have but we need someone to be physical if we want all flair players to thrive, every team since the dawn of time has had that, even Brazil.

Hence my hairdresser jibe, we simply are too nice a side, an old hand who may not be able to play football as well as others but is prepared to scrap and fight in the middle is something we have needed this season.

[DaveyR]

Do these stats make him fly to the moon or bake eggs?

 

Nice dodge of the statement of fact

[Saint Garrett]

Cork and Morgan have done pretty well at this since cork came into the side vs WBA.

 

A wreckless CM just wouldn't fit in to how we play.

[Wes Tender]

Do these stats make him fly to the moon or bake eggs?

 

No, but your response is bizarre. They just prove that he is the most effective midfielder currently in the Premiership. I can see though that the way that your mind works, you would prefer the type of midfielder who played for us when you were just 16 and who likewise would have been red-carded in five minutes flat nowadays.

 

As you're in reflecting back mode, you might like to consider Lawrie's views (see the familiarity that I used there?) He stated that to be successful a team needed the right blend between road sweepers and violinists. Well, Ramirez is a violinist. Schneiderlin is a very rare breed, a mixture of both.

 

I wouldn't swap our midfield pairing of Cork and Schneidelin for any other pair in the division. Ramirez is already a very accomplished player who is adapting to the style of play over here and will only get better. He has the foundations and just needs to build on them.

 

So what about Phil Neville's opinion? Plainly wrong in your eyes, even though he is emerging as probably the most astute pundit currently on television, with a wealth of experience to back up his views. Excuse me if I place a bit more credence on his views over yours.

[Wes Tender]

I rate him as a footballer and always have but we need someone to be physical if we want all flair players to thrive, every team since the dawn of time has had that, even Brazil.

Hence my hairdresser jibe, we simply are too nice a side, an old hand who may not be able to play football as well as others but is prepared to scrap and fight in the middle is something we have needed this season.

 

Hammond? :lol:

[The Kraken]

So what about Phil Neville's opinion? Plainly wrong in your eyes, even though he is emerging as probably the most astute pundit currently on television, with a wealth of experience to back up his views. Excuse me if I place a bit more credence on his views over yours.

 

Are you thinking of Phil's brother, Gary?

 

Can't say I've ever seen Phil as a pundit. His brother is excellent, though.

[Wes Tender]

Are you thinking of Phil's brother, Gary?

 

Can't say I've ever seen Phil as a pundit. His brother is excellent, though.

 

Well, whichever one. Always get them muddled up. Phil is the one still playing for Everton then?

[austsaint]

No, but your response is bizarre. They just prove that he is the most effective midfielder currently in the Premiership. I can see though that the way that your mind works, you would prefer the type of midfielder who played for us when you were just 16 and who likewise would have been red-carded in five minutes flat nowadays.

 

As you're in reflecting back mode, you might like to consider Lawrie's views (see the familiarity that I used there?) He stated that to be successful a team needed the right blend between road sweepers and violinists. Well, Ramirez is a violinist. Schneiderlin is a very rare breed, a mixture of both.

 

I wouldn't swap our midfield pairing of Cork and Schneidelin for any other pair in the division. Ramirez is already a very accomplished player who is adapting to the style of play over here and will only get better. He has the foundations and just needs to build on them.

 

So what about Phil Neville's opinion? Plainly wrong in your eyes, even though he is emerging as probably the most astute pundit currently on television, with a wealth of experience to back up his views. Excuse me if I place a bit more credence on his views over yours.

 

Wes, agree with you completely....think you'll find though, Phil is the Toffee's player and brother Gary the excellent pundit.

[The Kraken]

Well, whichever one. Always get them muddled up. Phil is the one still playing for Everton then?

 

Yep. Gary is on Sky, and its him that is proving perhaps the best pundit there has been on TV for many a year.

 

Gary is also Roy Hodgson's assistant for England; Phil is getting involved with Stuart Pearce and the U21s for their tournament this summer.

[Olallana]

I rate him as a footballer and always have but we need someone to be physical if we want all flair players to thrive, every team since the dawn of time has had that, even Brazil.

Hence my hairdresser jibe, we simply are too nice a side, an old hand who may not be able to play football as well as others but is prepared to scrap and fight in the middle is something we have needed this season.

 

Considering our defending on set pieces at times I for one think it´s good that we dont give away a lot of unnecessary freekicks from midfield...

 

And what is "scrap and fight" if not winning a lot of tackles, and having a lot of interceptions?

[Wes Tender]

Yep. Gary is on Sky, and its him that is proving perhaps the best pundit there has been on TV for many a year.

 

Gary is also Roy Hodgson's assistant for England; Phil is getting involved with Stuart Pearce and the U21s for their tournament this summer.

 

Phil was merely passing on Gary's opinion after they had discussed it over a pint recently.

[Saint Garrett]

Considering our defending on set pieces at times I for one think it´s good that we dont give away a lot of unnecessary freekicks from midfield...

 

And what is "scrap and fight" if not winning a lot of tackles, and having a lot of interceptions?

 

Didn't you know the best defensive midfielders just boot people, give away lots of free kicks and pick up yellow cards on a whim.

 

I really want one of these.

[The Kraken]

Phil was merely passing on Gary's opinion after they had discussed it over a pint recently.

 

As for your comment "I wouldn't swap our midfield pairing of Cork and Schneidelin for any other pair in the division", I'm not sure if I would either. I've always really rated Jack Cork, and while Morgan has always had talent, before this season I thought he let himself down too often by being too sloppy and casual. His goal scoring ability was pretty appalling too. But this season he has stepped up and the partnership the two of them have has been utterly sublime at times. I always had a bit of man-love for Cork and always rated him above Morgan, but I couldn't possibly separate them now (and would cencede that given his goals Morgan would likely get more votes in a poll).

 

Getting back to the Ramirez thing; I wonder if him being here has in some small way meant that Lallana hasn't made the step up as semlessly as we expected. Lallana scored loads of goals at lower league level, and was being primed for a new number 10 role before we brought in Ramirez to do that.

[Saint Garrett]

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11096/8575898/Midfield-enforcer

[Olallana]

Didn't you know the best defensive midfielders just boot people, give away lots of free kicks and pick up yellow cards on a whim.

 

I really want one of these.

 

Hmm, a Hammond-Wotton pairing perhaps would do that?

[VectisSaint]

His [Morgan's] goal scoring ability was pretty appalling too. But this season he has stepped up and the partnership the two of them have has been utterly sublime at times. I always had a bit of man-love for Cork and always rated him above Morgan, but I couldn't possibly separate them now (and would cencede that given his goals Morgan would likely get more votes in a poll).

Interesting that you used to find Morgan's lack of goal scoring appalling, yet Jack Cork who has never scored for Saints doesn't seem to be open to criticism in that respect. Maybe he will break his duck today.

[The Kraken]

Interesting that you used to find Morgan's lack of goal scoring appalling, yet Jack Cork who has never scored for Saints doesn't seem to be open to criticism in that respect. Maybe he will break his duck today.

 

From the Sky Sports article linked above:

 

As a protégé of Athletic Bilbao coach Marcelo Bielsa, intense pressing is a feature of Pochettino's tactical approach. "I like football to be played well from the back, to have movement both in and out of possession, to pressure high up the pitch, and to be attacking," explains the Argentine. And for that to succeed, Schneiderlin's midfield partnership with Jack Cork is key.

Although Schneiderlin is seen as the enforcer, Cork often sits as the deeper of the two men while his team-mate hunts in search of the ball - on the press, trying to break-up play high up the field. With both players justifiably regarded as good all-rounders it provides flexibility to the Saints midfield and allows them to adapt easily when in and out of possession.

 

It would be great if Cork could add goalscoring to his all-round ability, but even when he does rarely get into goal scoring positions he doesn't seem the most composed of finishers. And with a 4-5-1 formation that relies on wingers playing quite attacking and with Morgan getting forward a fair bit, I have no problem with Cork playing the defensive role.

[Turkish]

Interesting that you used to find Morgan's lack of goal scoring appalling, yet Jack Cork who has never scored for Saints doesn't seem to be open to criticism in that respect. Maybe he will break his duck today.

 

He didn't rate him because he's French. Are you going to answer my question on the 'Missing Lee' thread?

[Saint_Ash]

Cork missing the first 10 games of the season indicates his importance, I'm sure someone out there has the stats of games won or lost whilst cork and Morgan have been on the pitch together.

[The Kraken]

Cork missing the first 10 games of the season indicates his importance, I'm sure someone out there has the stats of games won or lost whilst cork and Morgan have been on the pitch together.

 

That article made reference to it.

 

With Cork unavailable due to injury for the first 10 games of the season, Schneiderlin was left swamped in the centre and Saints proceeded to lose eight of those games. Since the pair have been reunited in tandem, they have lost just five of the next 20 matches.

[Wes Tender]

As for your comment "I wouldn't swap our midfield pairing of Cork and Schneidelin for any other pair in the division", I'm not sure if I would either. I've always really rated Jack Cork, and while Morgan has always had talent, before this season I thought he let himself down too often by being too sloppy and casual. His goal scoring ability was pretty appalling too. But this season he has stepped up and the partnership the two of them have has been utterly sublime at times. I always had a bit of man-love for Cork and always rated him above Morgan, but I couldn't possibly separate them now (and would cencede that given his goals Morgan would likely get more votes in a poll).

 

Getting back to the Ramirez thing; I wonder if him being here has in some small way meant that Lallana hasn't made the step up as semlessly as we expected. Lallana scored loads of goals at lower league level, and was being primed for a new number 10 role before we brought in Ramirez to do that.

 

Schneiderlin has obviously been encouraged to shoot more often than before and it is beginning to pay dividends. Even if he doesn't score, there is always the possibility that the goallie might parry the ball back into the path of one of our players, or that it might deflect in off another player. Additionally he would be another attacking threat that would require a defender to mark him. I also admire Cork for the attributes that he brings to the team, his 100% effort at all times and determination to close down the ball and chase the play, never letting the opposition settle on the ball. But in terms of ground covered, Schneiderlin I understand has the highest figures in the Premiership.

 

I agree with your opinion on Ramirez and that it is a possibility that he has perhaps hampered Lallana's development. I see shades of similarities to the England situation whereby it was deemed difficult to accomodate Gerrard and Lampard in the same team. Also there is the question mark that surfaces over whether Lallana provides enough cover for our left back, but Shaw has proven to be better defensively regardless and if Rodriguez plays ahead of him there isn't a problem, but then it makes it difficult to play Ramirez and Lallana together. Puncheon had seemed a good fit ahead of Clyne, but currently seems to be out of favour again. All in all a bit of a connundrum as to which is the best strategy to fit our new style of play, but Schneiderlin and Cork, teamed with Clyne and Shaw suits it well.

[Verbal Kint]

Didn't you know the best defensive midfielders just boot people, give away lots of free kicks and pick up yellow cards on a whim.

 

I really want one of these.

 

Hmm, a Hammond-Wotton pairing perhaps would do that?

 

I think this is where we need Frazer Richardson to be playing as he has all the attributes of a tough tackling midfielder. Maybe playing as a front sweeper

[The Kraken]

I think this is where we need Frazer Richardson to be playing as he has all the attributes of a tough tackling midfielder. Maybe playing as a front sweeper

 

Dan Seaborne is the only man for that particular role. But with him out on loan I guess Frazer CDAJFU there too.