Turkish Posted 29 March, 2013 Posted 29 March, 2013 Your comment would have had some validity if you had not added the bit in bold. Just showing that you do exactly what you accuse others of doing. I Asked you a question on the 'missing Lee thread' can you have the deceny to answer it or refrain from throwing around your insults and accusations please Vectis.
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 March, 2013 Posted 29 March, 2013 They (the clappers) are bloody and bruised to reasoned argument and debate.
NickG Posted 29 March, 2013 Posted 29 March, 2013 Or is it funny that so many people seem to miss the point that £12M and whatever in wages could possibly have been spent much more efficiently in other areas of the pitch and provided more overall benefit to the team this season? That SFC negelected other positions and such expenditure in favour of a player for the future. That, for this season, when survival was 9and still is) the absolute key, consolidation could have been achieved by a different transfer policy. Fair point IF any lack of spending elsewhere was due to signing him, personally doubt it was. Otherwise fact is he is good player and improved us, views differ on extent
The Kraken Posted 29 March, 2013 Posted 29 March, 2013 Fair point IF any lack of spending elsewhere was due to signing him, personally doubt it was. Otherwise fact is he is good player and improved us, views differ on extent Astori's price tag was £12M, which we reportedly were scared off by (figures at the time suggested we'd only go as high as £9M or £10M). Are the two related? Who knows. But we stretched ourselves with Gaston and didn't think the outlay was worth it for Astori. And we clearly didn't spend anywhere near that amount on areas I and others at the time deemed more necessary (CB and GK).
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 March, 2013 Posted 29 March, 2013 We did spend smaller amounts on players like Mayuka and Forren, oh wait....................
NickG Posted 29 March, 2013 Posted 29 March, 2013 A young skilful attacking midfielder is always likely to cost more than other more defensive positions. Particularly 21 year old with 14 caps. If money stopped us signing a CB and keeper then would view his fee differently. Not saying it didn't just doubt it. His cost, (fee and wages) maybe (my guess is it probably will be) a fair one when judged at end of contract or his sale. Of course the 20 odd games so far are not worth £12m...but unless he is about to leave on free its not time to judge. Comments about him by Lambert and Neville show how his quality, sometimes subtle, is worth having. Performances mixed, some disappointing, but 4 goals, 3 assists and his quality play at times mean he has been decent addition to the club. I can see why his inconsistencies and fact he is more likely to flick ball between defenders to create something, than chase around like terry hurlock mean he is not everyone's favourite
The Kraken Posted 29 March, 2013 Posted 29 March, 2013 A young skilful attacking midfielder is always likely to cost more than other more defensive positions. Particularly 21 year old with 14 caps. If money stopped us signing a CB and keeper then would view his fee differently. Not saying it didn't just doubt it. His cost, (fee and wages) maybe (my guess is it probably will be) a fair one when judged at end of contract or his sale. Of course the 20 odd games so far are not worth £12m...but unless he is about to leave on free its not time to judge. Comments about him by Lambert and Neville show how his quality, sometimes subtle, is worth having. Performances mixed, some disappointing, but 4 goals, 3 assists and his quality play at times mean he has been decent addition to the club. I can see why his inconsistencies and fact he is more likely to flick ball between defenders to create something, than chase around like terry hurlock mean he is not everyone's favourite Its not so much that signing Ramirez stopped us going for an expensive defender. There's simply no proof of that. For me, its that we were unwilling to go out and spend that much on CB or GK in the first place. Whatever the reasons are, we didn't do that. We got a great cheaper signing in Clyne, but IMO Yoshida was a cheap gamble and isn't good enough for a top ten aspiring PL team, so if we want to push on I think he'll need to be replaced. Fonte is good for defensive cover going forwards, and its clearly far too early to judge Forren but what i did see of him didn't convince me that he's the big, dominant CB I fell we're crying out for; someone in the Hangelande mould. Forren isn't that, he's only the same size as Yoshida who isn't big for a CB himself. As for your last paragraph; does anyone think he hasn't been a beneficial addition to the club? The question has always been the cost/value (transfer fee and wages) and whether that could have been spent better in other more deficient areas.
Saints boy in Leeds Posted 29 March, 2013 Posted 29 March, 2013 "@LeeHughesDFC: @fizzer18. Toughest player you have faced this season?" Ramirez Southampton https://twitter.com/fizzer18/status/317519335704911872 I think he was on about Chelsea's player !
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 March, 2013 Posted 29 March, 2013 A young skilful attacking midfielder is always likely to cost more than other more defensive positions. Particularly 21 year old with 14 caps. If money stopped us signing a CB and keeper then would view his fee differently. Not saying it didn't just doubt it. His cost, (fee and wages) maybe (my guess is it probably will be) a fair one when judged at end of contract or his sale. Of course the 20 odd games so far are not worth £12m...but unless he is about to leave on free its not time to judge. Comments about him by Lambert and Neville show how his quality, sometimes subtle, is worth having. Performances mixed, some disappointing, but 4 goals, 3 assists and his quality play at times mean he has been decent addition to the club. I can see why his inconsistencies and fact he is more likely to flick ball between defenders to create something, than chase around like terry hurlock mean he is not everyone's favourite That is something we have missed terribly this season at times, a Terry Hurlock (he was a better player than people give credit for as well), a good player no doubt but a Ramirez is not the type of player we needed.
Avenue Saint Posted 29 March, 2013 Posted 29 March, 2013 That is something we have missed terribly this season at times, a Terry Hurlock (he was a better player than people give credit for as well), a good player no doubt but a Ramirez is not the type of player we needed. Fountain of knowledge, Barry you are.
Barry Sanchez Posted 29 March, 2013 Posted 29 March, 2013 Fountain of knowledge, Barry you are. Thank you, you my Angel are not.
dronskisaint Posted 29 March, 2013 Posted 29 March, 2013 You're 29?! Christ I thought you were about 14. That would be the (generous) IQ
JackanorySFC Posted 29 March, 2013 Posted 29 March, 2013 That is something we have missed terribly this season at times, a Terry Hurlock (he was a better player than people give credit for as well), a good player no doubt but a Ramirez is not the type of player we needed. This sort of moron reminds me why I use this forum a lot less these days. Hurlock over Gaston. Nice one fella. I'm off.
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 This sort of moron reminds me why I use this forum a lot less these days. Hurlock over Gaston. Nice one fella. I'm off. Where have I said we should have Terry Hurlock over Ramirez? Make things up is the usual story of the Ramirez fans, typical jackanory, and as for not coming on here because your little Ramirez gets cricticism is childish to say the least, what do you do when something serious occurs in your life?
NickG Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 That is something we have missed terribly this season at times, a Terry Hurlock (he was a better player than people give credit for as well), a good player no doubt but a Ramirez is not the type of player we needed. Fair enough, all about opinions and subjective. However if you would have preferred a 'Hurlock' over Ramirez we are unlikely to agree on type of player or football we want to pay to see.
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 Fair enough, all about opinions and subjective. However if you would have preferred a 'Hurlock' over Ramirez we are unlikely to agree on type of player or football we want to pay to see. Football is subjective, we need a midfield battler, thats obvious, we dont need with the current team we have Ramirez, he looks isolated and lost as the players around him are not "cultured" enough as most are English League players. Its that simple for if we had European players then of course it would be a different picture, I would imagine most of the Ramirez fans dont actually play the game themselves as this team has been crying out for a tough tackler and enforcer all season. The Ramirez fan boys need to get it into their head no one has said (to my knowledge) he is ****e, simply he is not the player required and as of yet his transfer fee is way over the odds. Its wanting and seeing something thats not there, a good player but he has not performed for us, its as simple as that.
niceandfriendly Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 Where have I said we should have Terry Hurlock over Ramirez? I wonder where Jackanory got that idea....？Perhaps it was when you said we have terribly missed having a player like Hurlock in the team, but don't need Ramirez. It's strange that the Ramirez bashers use the fact that we didn't cover in other areas as to reasons why he is rubbish. It's not his fault we didn't sign more central defenders/cover at left back etc which I completely agree that we needed to do. The fact that we didn't improve the whole team and only bought one expensive flair player is irrelevant when discussing Ramirez's ability, which, at times has been disappointing away from home, but at others has been fantastic. So my view is that I'm glad we bought him as he has shown flashes of brilliance and is getting better and better. Should we have bought other players in the windows? IMO yes. Am I glad we signed Ramirez/Do I think he is a good player? IMO yes. Two separate questions.
simo Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 Football is subjective, we need a midfield battler, thats obvious, we dont need with the current team we have Ramirez, he looks isolated and lost as the players around him are not "cultured" enough as most are English League players. Its that simple for if we had European players then of course it would be a different picture, I would imagine most of the Ramirez fans dont actually play the game themselves as this team has been crying out for a tough tackler and enforcer all season. The Ramirez fan boys need to get it into their head no one has said (to my knowledge) he is ****e, simply he is not the player required and as of yet his transfer fee is way over the odds. Its wanting and seeing something thats not there, a good player but he has not performed for us, its as simple as that. Some people talk rubbish , whats Morgan if not a tough tackling midfielder ?
Bearsy Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 Poor Barry. He's wellington boots in a wingtip world.
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 Some people talk rubbish , whats Morgan if not a tough tackling midfielder ? If you think Morgan Schneiderlin is a tough tackling midfielder I suggest you find out what a tough tackling midfielder is.
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 Poor Barry. He's wellington boots in a wingtip world. Morning Flaresy, how are you this morn?
Bearsy Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 Hungovers again! I find gentle rattle of ur opinions quite soothing tho.
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 I wonder where Jackanory got that idea....？Perhaps it was when you said we have terribly missed having a player like Hurlock in the team, but don't need Ramirez. It's strange that the Ramirez bashers use the fact that we didn't cover in other areas as to reasons why he is rubbish. It's not his fault we didn't sign more central defenders/cover at left back etc which I completely agree that we needed to do. The fact that we didn't improve the whole team and only bought one expensive flair player is irrelevant when discussing Ramirez's ability, which, at times has been disappointing away from home, but at others has been fantastic. So my view is that I'm glad we bought him as he has shown flashes of brilliance and is getting better and better. Should we have bought other players in the windows? IMO yes. Am I glad we signed Ramirez/Do I think he is a good player? IMO yes. Two separate questions. But those two questions can be in essence put into one Do you think Ramirez signing cost or stopped other influential signings due to cost and wages? Yes I do.
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 Hungovers again! I find gentle rattle of ur opinions quite soothing tho. Sweet, I have a cold and am working away flippin burgers, a couple more hours and then a beer or two.
Tokyo-Saint Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 Breakfast burgers? You in Scotland? I want to call bear a racist but my iPhone keeps putting realist. What do apple know? Are they designed by badger baiting xenephobs like dune? The technical term for a Scotish breakfast burger bear is a 'square sausage'. We are not barbarians you know!
Saint Garrett Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 If you think Morgan Schneiderlin is a tough tackling midfielder I suggest you find out what a tough tackling midfielder is. There is no such thing in football as a tough tackling midfielder. In fact the way we play, it all about pressurising the opposition into making a mistake so they mis control it or it can be intercepted. No team has headless chickens who boot people anymore. Hence why Chaplow is out on loan
SaintSteve Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 If you think Morgan Schneiderlin is a tough tackling midfielder I suggest you find out what a tough tackling midfielder is. You live in the past, football is progressing to allow for flair players, not people who spend half the season banned.. Where have you been.. Still watching tapes of Bremner and smith are we ?
simo Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 If you think Morgan Schneiderlin is a tough tackling midfielder I suggest you find out what a tough tackling midfielder is. Im guessing it would be a player who makes a lot of tackles ?
Wiggles31 Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 If you think Morgan Schneiderlin is a tough tackling midfielder I suggest you find out what a tough tackling midfielder is. What is one then? With his stats surely he is a tough tackling midfielder?! Or would you rather a Vinnie Jones type player instead? With Ramirez we all know he is not the finished article yet which has probably been hindered by him adjusting to the PL, as well as his injuries. His performance against Villa at home has been one of the best player performances of the season. Sure we can all agree he his world class potential which we have seen at times. Look at Fellaini, he was a big money signing who was fairly average in his first season, look at him now. An example of how it can take a player time to settle, adjust etc. Provide we are in the PL he will be an important player for us. Can't see Cortese selling his star signing.
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 There is no such thing in football as a tough tackling midfielder. In fact the way we play, it all about pressurising the opposition into making a mistake so they mis control it or it can be intercepted. No team has headless chickens who boot people anymore. Hence why Chaplow is out on loan Cambiasso, de Jong, Song, Essien, Keane etc etc, someone who can dominate the midfield.
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 Im guessing it would be a player who makes a lot of tackles ? Indeed and Schneiderlin is not one of them, some were talking about Europe next season due to our fair play record, you get my drift, too nice.
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 You live in the past, football is progressing to allow for flair players, not people who spend half the season banned.. Where have you been.. Still watching tapes of Bremner and smith are we ? Football is what its always been, are you Murdochs child or something? There have been an awful lot more flair players in the past seasons than now, this is the weakest premiership for years, as for flair I hope you understnad you need bite to go with that?
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 There is no such thing in football as a tough tackling midfielder. In fact the way we play, it all about pressurising the opposition into making a mistake so they mis control it or it can be intercepted. No team has headless chickens who boot people anymore. Hence why Chaplow is out on loan So Barcelona dont have Busquets? Christ alive......................
Saint_clark Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 Cambiasso, de Jong, Song, Essien, Keane etc etc, someone who can dominate the midfield. Schneiderlin DOES dominate midfields.
austsaint Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 So Barcelona dont have Busquets? Christ alive...................... Not at this time of year he isn't....Christ that is.
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 Schneiderlin DOES dominate midfields. By dominating the midfield in this instance I mean by fear and stamping ones authority on the game, Keane used to do it in the EPL, now I am not asking for another Keane/Speed or Vierra I am asking for someone to gets their hands dirty on occasions, this will stop us getting bullied and inspire a young team to create and show flair.
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 Not at this time of year he isn't....Christ that is. True that, people on here or some of them play football manager and fifa but not the game itself.
JustMike Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 If you think Morgan Schneiderlin is a tough tackling midfielder I suggest you find out what a tough tackling midfielder is. they are very rare in the modern game. Cork is the nearest we have to it
Saint Garrett Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 So Barcelona dont have Busquets? Christ alive...................... Busquets is no more of a 'tough tackling midfielder' than Morgan. Morgan has made the most tackles and interceptions in Europe or something...that's good enough for me. You seem to take every opportunity possible to say our players are average/sh!t.
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 Busquets is no more of a 'tough tackling midfielder' than Morgan. Morgan has made the most tackles and interceptions in Europe or something...that's good enough for me. You seem to take every opportunity possible to say our players are average/sh!t. No I dont and where have I said that? If losing an argument on football (most of the time o here as most are or appear to be the fifa generation) go and state a lie and fabrication about the person, Schneiderlin is a good/very good midfielder, he just needs more bite, and why do you call him Morgan? You dont know him.
JustMike Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 have gone through and deleted some of the b!tching on here. If you can't discuss this (or any other topic) sensibly then don't post!
niceandfriendly Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 Indeed and Schneiderlin is not one of them, some were talking about Europe next season due to our fair play record, you get my drift, too nice. I'm sure I read that Morgan had a very high number of tackles this season? One of the highest in the League? Could be wrong. He's not as aggressive as the other (world class) players that you mentioned, but he certainly makes plenty of tackles and interceptions.
niceandfriendly Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 But those two questions can be in essence put into one Do you think Ramirez signing cost or stopped other influential signings due to cost and wages? Yes I do. Yeah but I basically alluded to that very point in my post. Whether that is true or not - which it may well be - it still bears no influence on the question is Gaston a good player? I think some people (not you necessarily) can't separate the two. So simply because Gaston's arrival potentially stopped other signings that means he's crap and it wasn't worth signing him, whereas I do believe we've signed a very good player, despite the other factors which are often argued about.
Olallana Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 Cambiasso, de Jong, Song, Essien, Keane etc etc, someone who can dominate the midfield. Could at least put some more reasonable names of players that we might have been able to buy in the summer if you are going to complain that we didn´t buy that type of player but went for Ramirez instead.....??
Olallana Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 No I dont and where have I said that? If losing an argument on football (most of the time o here as most are or appear to be the fifa generation) go and state a lie and fabrication about the person, Schneiderlin is a good/very good midfielder, he just needs more bite, and why do you call him Morgan? You dont know him. Shoud we call you Sanchez from now on then on this forum?
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 Could at least put some more reasonable names of players that we might have been able to buy in the summer if you are going to complain that we didn´t buy that type of player but went for Ramirez instead.....?? No, I was told there are no tough tackling midfielders, I simply off the top of my head proved they do exist, people on here seem to think football is fifa13 or something, who allows a pl;ayer on the pitch to be creative and show flair? Who gives them the space? Its not rocket science is it?
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 March, 2013 Posted 30 March, 2013 Shoud we call you Sanchez from now on then on this forum? People call me all sorts on here, I am not bothered, you dont call someone their first name without knowing them, over familiarity is frightening, I am thinking of DeNiro in the fan HEY BOBBY!
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