In what year can we realistically challenge Europe's

[Wes Tender]

Thats my point mate it ain't never gonna happen and too be fair wouldn't want it to either, I simply dont believe Cortese in what he says in the time limit and the current budget.

 

What time limit? What budget? Please explain where and how you came by this information.

And "it ain't never going to happen" is presumably only your opinion and not anything factual as usual.

 

Or does your use of the double negative mean that you think it might?

[NickG]

If we can add 3-4 quality players in key positions in the summer and keep what we have then i dont see why we cant finish top half next season.

 

We are 5 points of top half now, after poor start, during the season we have added Boruc, Shaw, Yoshida, Ramirez etc.

 

About 8 of first choice 11 are under 24 so should get a lot better next season.

 

I don't see why this squad couldn't finish top half with out adding anyone.

[Turkish]

We are 5 points of top half now, after poor start, during the season we have added Boruc, Shaw, Yoshida, Ramirez etc.

 

About 8 of first choice 11 are under 24 so should get a lot better next season.

 

I don't see why this squad couldn't finish top half with out adding anyone.

 

Bore off Nick. Anyone that thinks you shouldn't add better players and keep improving is a total lemon.

[Barry Sanchez]

What time limit? What budget? Please explain where and how you came by this information.

And "it ain't never going to happen" is presumably only your opinion and not anything factual as usual.

 

Or does your use of the double negative mean that you think it might?

 

The 5 year plan of challenging for Europe, the money issue as well, how will we start challenging for a top 6 place with the players we have got? So we wont sell any players? You do know how much even Everton (and they have sold big as well)have spent simply to get into a position to challenge the top 6?

 

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/transfer-league-table-last-five-seasons.html

 

Simply put I dont believe it as there is nothing to state we will push on IF we survive, I prefer to see before I believe, if we spend £100 Million in a single transfer window to push our team into a possible top 6 then yes I will, whether thats a good business decision is another matter.

[CB Fry]

What time limit? What budget? Please explain where and how you came by this information.

And "it ain't never going to happen" is presumably only your opinion and not anything factual as usual.

 

Or does your use of the double negative mean that you think it might?

 

 

 

Of course it's a f ucking opinion.

 

How the frig can someone saying we will or won't be challenging for fourth/sixth/whatever ever be "factual"?

 

This is a webforum for opinions. Unfortunately littered with utter divs. Christ.

Edited 28 March, 2013 by CB Fry

[trousers]

This is a webforum... Unfortunately littered with utter divs.

Fact or opinion?

[Barry Sanchez]

Of course it's a f ucking opinion.

 

How the frig can someone saying we will or won't be challenging for fourth/sixth/whatever ever be "factual"?

 

This is a webforum for opinions. Christ.

 

You are refering to Wes here, this man has complete and utter unquestioning faith in Cortese, no problem with that, its when he thinks others are incorrect for giving a valid opinion thats a tad silly.

[Avenue Saint]

Of course it's a f ucking opinion.

 

How the frig can someone saying we will or won't be challenging for fourth/sixth/whatever ever be "factual"?

 

This is a webforum for opinions. Unfortunately littered with utter divs. Christ.

 

You're one of the biggest divs on here.

[trousers]

You're one of the biggest divs on here.

 

Fact or opinion?

[Avenue Saint]

Fact or opinion?

 

Do birds fly?

[trousers]

Do birds fly?

 

Most of them...

[Olallana]

 

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/transfer-league-table-last-five-seasons.html

 

I honestly don´t remember who a few days ago said there was nothing wrong with QPR´s transfer plan....

But that "sold column" shows me that there are a major fault in that plan.....

[Wes Tender]

Of course it's a f ucking opinion.

 

How the frig can someone saying we will or won't be challenging for fourth/sixth/whatever ever be "factual"?

 

This is a webforum for opinions. Unfortunately littered with utter divs. Christ.

 

And the biggest div reckons that there is as much chance of West Ham being relegated as Man Utd.

[Barry Sanchez]

I honestly don´t remember who a few days ago said there was nothing wrong with QPR´s transfer plan....

But that "sold column" shows me that there are a major fault in that plan.....

 

There is nothing wrong with it in the sense Fernades can underwrite at the moment, its an awful business plan but then so is Liverpool, Citys and Chelseas, they are also underwritten.

[Wes Tender]

You are refering to Wes here, this man has complete and utter unquestioning faith in Cortese, no problem with that, its when he thinks others are incorrect for giving a valid opinion thats a tad silly.

 

I do not have unquestioning faith in Cortese, but no doubt you'll back up your opinion with posts of mine saying that I do. At the same time, you can also provide proof of the timeline and finances that Cortese will have given you for the European "project."

 

As for your opinions, you start one of your usual WUM threads asking in what year we can realistically challenge other European teams, then state categorically that we never will, without providing any reasoning behind your opinion. Typical Barryism

[Wes Tender]

Of course it's a f ucking opinion.

 

How the frig can someone saying we will or won't be challenging for fourth/sixth/whatever ever be "factual"?

 

This is a webforum for opinions. Unfortunately littered with utter divs. Christ.

 

The sarcasm went right over your head. Over your head, or in one ear and out of the other are the two default modes with you.

[CB Fry]

The sarcasm went right over your head. Over your head, or in one ear and out of the other are the two default modes with you.

 

 

There was no sarcasm. Nice try though.

[CB Fry]

And the biggest div reckons that there is as much chance of West Ham being relegated as Man Utd.

 

 

 

And an even bigger div equates West Ham staying up with West Ham winning the league. Coooeee.

[Barry Sanchez]

I do not have unquestioning faith in Cortese, but no doubt you'll back up your opinion with posts of mine saying that I do. At the same time, you can also provide proof of the timeline and finances that Cortese will have given you for the European "project."

 

As for your opinions, you start one of your usual WUM threads asking in what year we can realistically challenge other European teams, then state categorically that we never will, without providing any reasoning behind your opinion. Typical Barryism

 

Wes, European football is being projected so therefore a valid discussion point, you'll be saying me commenting on the starting XI is a wumming effort..................

[Olallana]

There is nothing wrong with it in the sense Fernades can underwrite at the moment, its an awful business plan but then so is Liverpool, Citys and Chelseas, they are also underwritten.

 

Agree but in their case it´s more a business plan to win trophies and at least Chelsea and City has achieved that the last few years.

Liverpool hasn´t but I think their spending is because of pressure and expectations from fans at the moment.

 

The big surprise to the general people would be Stoke I think. I dont think people see them as a big spender.

[Barry Sanchez]

Agree but in their case it´s more a business plan to win trophies and at least Chelsea and City has achieved that the last few years.

Liverpool hasn´t but I think their spending is because of pressure and expectations from fans at the moment.

 

The big surprise to the general people would be Stoke I think. I dont think people see them as a big spender.

 

Stokes is only the last couple of seasons, we spend £30 Million and we think we are already in a Champions League Semi Final, we would need to spend 10X that at least simply to compete for the top.

[Bearsy]

we spend £30 Million and we think we are already in a Champions League Semi Final

 

barry pls. I've got hungover be more reasonable!

[NickG]

There is no need to be disrespectful to other posters.

 

Try just replying to post.

 

Doubt anyone thinks we should stick just with what we have, or that it is likely.

 

You say we could make top half if we added several key players - if we add several key players it won't be with the aim of scraping few places higher.

 

If squad stays together - next season when players are older, more settled etc, still improving in many cases, where do you think they would aim/achieve? Top half?

[Olallana]

Stokes is only the last couple of seasons, we spend £30 Million and we think we are already in a Champions League Semi Final, we would need to spend 10X that at least simply to compete for the top.

 

True but we have very low value in the depth of our squad because we have come from lower divisions.

Stoke has been in PL all the time and still have very low sell figures.

I think that when our squad is transformed to more of a PL squad our net spend will be lower, but only time will tell.

[Barry Sanchez]

True but we have very low value in the depth of our squad because we have come from lower divisions.

Stoke has been in PL all the time and still have very low sell figures.

I think that when our squad is transformed to more of a PL squad our net spend will be lower, but only time will tell.

 

But to get our squad to a standard of top 4/6 minimum spend would be £300 Million (from pasts clubs spends), we are not going to spend that so European adventures are stuff of dreams, I am amazed others have not seen the reality.

It simply wont happen unless we stumble upon a Ferguson's class of 93 which is not going to happen again in our lifetime.

[Turkish]

There is no need to be disrespectful to other posters.

 

Try just replying to post.

 

Doubt anyone thinks we should stick just with what we have, or that it is likely.

 

You say we could make top half if we added several key players - if we add several key players it won't be with the aim of scraping few places higher.

 

If squad stays together - next season when players are older, more settled etc, still improving in many cases, where do you think they would aim/achieve? Top half?

 

If this squad stays together with additions then we will probably finish anywhere between 10th and 20th again. We are seriously lacking in a few positions. A commanding centre half, decent cover in the full back positions and central midfield and in the attacking midfield role where we realisitcally only have 4 players comepting for 3 places. If we get lucky and dont get any injuries or players having dips in form then we might be alright, if we do then we could well be in another relegation battle. That's why we need strength in depth, 3-4 quality players in the postions i mentioned. If you can find some stats which "prove" that over 38 games then 11 adequate to decent players are good enough for any premier league team then please feel free.

[Wes Tender]

Wes, European football is being projected so therefore a valid discussion point, you'll be saying me commenting on the starting XI is a wumming effort..................

 

So no sign of any evidence that previously I have posted unswerving support for Cortese then, nor anything validating your claims about the timescale or finances available.

[Wes Tender]

But to get our squad to a standard of top 4/6 minimum spend would be £300 Million (from pasts clubs spends), we are not going to spend that so European adventures are stuff of dreams, I am amazed others have not seen the reality.

It simply wont happen unless we stumble upon a Ferguson's class of 93 which is not going to happen again in our lifetime.

Why should you expect others to see the reality that you can't even see yourself?

 

You infer that it can only be achieved by spending like Chelsea or Man City, then produce an example of a club that did it by using their own academy stars, thus not needing to spend megabucks.

 

It obviously escaped your attention that we have produced players arguably of that calibre ourselves. OK, previously it was difficult to keep hold of them, but I would imagine that a Saints team comprising a core of existing players like Schneiderlin, Cork, Lallana, Lambert, Ramirez, supplemented by the likes of Bale, Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain, wouldn't be too shabby. And it isn't as if we don't have other great future prospects coming through the academy now, either.

 

In my lifetime I've already seen us finish second in the top flight. I was alive when the Skates were champions. I remember the Busby Babes that preceded the class of 93, which shows that even with Man United that was not something that was once in a lifetime. Where you might have another 50 years of your life remaining, you really ought not to dismiss these things as impossible, improbable as they might seem now.

[Turkish]

Why should you expect others to see the reality that you can't even see yourself?

 

You infer that it can only be achieved by spending like Chelsea or Man City, then produce an example of a club that did it by using their own academy stars, thus not needing to spend megabucks.

 

It obviously escaped your attention that we have produced players arguably of that calibre ourselves. OK, previously it was difficult to keep hold of them, but I would imagine that a Saints team comprising a core of existing players like Schneiderlin, Cork, Lallana, Lambert, Ramirez, supplemented by the likes of Bale, Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain, wouldn't be too shabby. And it isn't as if we don't have other great future prospects coming through the academy now, either.

 

In my lifetime I've already seen us finish second in the top flight. I was alive when the Skates were champions. I remember the Busby Babes that preceded the class of 93, which shows that even with Man United that was not something that was once in a lifetime. Where you might have another 50 years of your life remaining, you really ought not to dismiss these things as impossible, improbable as they might seem now.

 

like man walking on the moon, yes?

[Wiggles31]

Why should you expect others to see the reality that you can't even see yourself?

 

You infer that it can only be achieved by spending like Chelsea or Man City, then produce an example of a club that did it by using their own academy stars, thus not needing to spend megabucks.

 

It obviously escaped your attention that we have produced players arguably of that calibre ourselves. OK, previously it was difficult to keep hold of them, but I would imagine that a Saints team comprising a core of existing players like Schneiderlin, Cork, Lallana, Lambert, Ramirez, supplemented by the likes of Bale, Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain, wouldn't be too shabby. And it isn't as if we don't have other great future prospects coming through the academy now, either.

 

In my lifetime I've already seen us finish second in the top flight. I was alive when the Skates were champions. I remember the Busby Babes that preceded the class of 93, which shows that even with Man United that was not something that was once in a lifetime. Where you might have another 50 years of your life remaining, you really ought not to dismiss these things as impossible, improbable as they might seem now.

 

Nice post.

 

I was thinking if the academy too. The current u18's certainly sound on par with the Walcott Bale generation. Either way whatever our ambition I prefer going about it our way as opposed to QPR.

 

Whatever the argument everyone must agree that it is pretty exciting being a Saints fan at the moment.

[NickG]

If this squad stays together with additions then we will probably finish anywhere between 10th and 20th again. We are seriously lacking in a few positions. A commanding centre half, decent cover in the full back positions and central midfield and in the attacking midfield role where we realisitcally only have 4 players comepting for 3 places. If we get lucky and dont get any injuries or players having dips in form then we might be alright, if we do then we could well be in another relegation battle. That's why we need strength in depth, 3-4 quality players in the postions i mentioned. If you can find some stats which "prove" that over 38 games then 11 adequate to decent players are good enough for any premier league team then please feel free.

 

Agree about CB, as much as like cultured defenders think through season need strong leader of defence - big character and physically. Claus looked good with one alongside him, improved Fonte when Jos settled, Yoshida could prove to be very good with a top partner - is Forren commanding type?

 

Full-backs - first choice plenty good enough. Cover is weak, as others pointed out what level will come to club our size as back up to 17 and 20 year olds? Agree would want improvement but no idea what age/level.

 

Requirements for midfield are harder for me to say now we have so many formations. 2 CM and 2 wide was simple! Reckon CM both first pair and back up pair good enough for top half.

 

Forwards Lambert, Rodriguez, Ramirez, and Mayuka looked good range...but Mayuka??

 

Wide midfield probably would be my priority not sure its best position for Ramirez. Would like a top attacking player to improve team, plus a young fast player player...impact sub to use an Adkins term.

 

Think current squad fair aim - 6th to 9th, most likely 8-13th.

 

Will be interesting to see ambitions when start seeing ins/outs.

 

Sure stats can show some teams who look like they are moving forward, optimistic for season, will hugely under perform and vice versa!

[Barry Sanchez]

So no sign of any evidence that previously I have posted unswerving support for Cortese then, nor anything validating your claims about the timescale or finances available.

 

Wes, its known you are the biggest clapper on here, fair play, but your evidence for being clappy is the polar opposite of me a bedwetter, timescale? I am going from Cortese, for investment in players I only need to look at us compared to others.

 

So we are relying on European football in the timescale possibly by players from the academy?

 

Are you for real?

 

Those players you mentioned were also sold, lets just see if we can keep ours

[Wiggles31]

Wes, its known you are the biggest clapper on here, fair play, but your evidence for being clappy is the polar opposite of me a bedwetter, timescale? I am going from Cortese, for investment in players I only need to look at us compared to others.

 

So we are relying on European football in the timescale possibly by players from the academy?

 

Are you for real?

 

Those players you mentioned were also sold, lets just see if we can keep ours

 

There are optimists and pessimists and then there is you. Is there any remote joy you get from supporting Saints? Anything?!

[Turkish]

Agree about CB, as much as like cultured defenders think through season need strong leader of defence - big character and physically. Claus looked good with one alongside him, improved Fonte when Jos settled, Yoshida could prove to be very good with a top partner - is Forren commanding type?

 

Full-backs - first choice plenty good enough. Cover is weak, as others pointed out what level will come to club our size as back up to 17 and 20 year olds? Agree would want improvement but no idea what age/level.

 

Requirements for midfield are harder for me to say now we have so many formations. 2 CM and 2 wide was simple! Reckon CM both first pair and back up pair good enough for top half.

 

Forwards Lambert, Rodriguez, Ramirez, and Mayuka looked good range...but Mayuka??

 

Wide midfield probably would be my priority not sure its best position for Ramirez. Would like a top attacking player to improve team, plus a young fast player player...impact sub to use an Adkins term.

 

Think current squad fair aim - 6th to 9th, most likely 8-13th.

 

Will be interesting to see ambitions when start seeing ins/outs.

 

Sure stats can show some teams who look like they are moving forward, optimistic for season, will hugely under perform and vice versa!

 

If we play the 4-2-3-1 formation which MP seems to favour then we have 4 players good enough for the 3 attacking midfielders, Ramirez, lallana, Puncheon and Rodriguez- Rodriguez we'd also be looking at for the strikers role, so given that we have 5 decent players playing for 4 positions. This is no where near enough depth. For whatever reason Mayuka cant get a kick and De Ridder and Guly are no where near good enough.

 

i still maintain that we need a left back. relying on a 17 year old still learning the game, whose body is still developing and like all young players will have dips in form. Even if it's bringing and experienced man in on loan so shaw can be brought in and out of the side and eased through rather than depending on him as we are now.

 

if you geniunely believe there is enough depth in this squad to finish 6-9th then you are seriously deluded, persoanlly i think it's just Nick G and his misty eyed, grinning optimism. We might with some quality additions but we are several players away from being anywhere near good enough.

[Bearsy]

There are optimists and pessimists and then there is you. Is there any remote joy you get from supporting Saints? Anything?!

 

barry is pleased when we is success, he just ain't enthused by possibilities.

 

I'll be quite pleased when i finally bone mila kunis, but i ain't gonna brag bout it till it actually happens. She may not be up for it.

[Tokyo-Saint]

barry is pleased when we is success, he just ain't enthused by possibilities.

 

I'll be quite pleased when i finally bone Daffy Duck, but i ain't gonna brag bout it till it actually happens. He may not be up for it again.

 

[Olallana]

barry is pleased when we is success, he just ain't enthused by possibilities.

 

I'll be quite pleased when i finally bone mila kunis, but i ain't gonna brag bout it till it actually happens. She may not be up for it.

 

Mila Kunis?

Let me be first to say it...

 

Such Dell size mentality....

[Wes Tender]

Wes, its known you are the biggest clapper on here, fair play, but your evidence for being clappy is the polar opposite of me a bedwetter, timescale? I am going from Cortese, for investment in players I only need to look at us compared to others.

 

So we are relying on European football in the timescale possibly by players from the academy?

 

Are you for real?

 

Those players you mentioned were also sold, lets just see if we can keep ours

 

Why don't you just admit that having questioned the timescale and finances of Cortese's European ambitions, that you just don't know what they are?

 

I am going from Cortese, for investment in players I only need to look at us compared to others.

 

What exactly does this mean? Can you please attempt it again, so that it becomes something easier to comprehend?

 

You've only been on this forum for about 5 minutes, so you won't know that when Lowe and his mottley crew ran things, I was certainly not a happy clappy then.

 

Since then, I don't apologise for the enjoyment brought about by the club being bought by a billionaire, the excitement of our journey back to the top flight from the third division and our plans and ambitions to go much further towards being a foce to be reckoned with in the Premiership, rather than the perrenial relegation fodder we once were.

 

I was critical of the sacking of Adkins and the way it was done. I'm still of the opinion that unless we finish above the 15th plece where Adkins had left us, then the replacement of him by Pochettino will not be justified.

 

The question Wiggles asks of you is perfectly justified, but I suspect that the joy you derive from your seemingly niggly whining has far more to do with the pleasure you derive as a WUM.

[Turkish]

Why don't you just admit that having questioned the timescale and finances of Cortese's European ambitions, that you just don't know what they are?

 

 

 

What exactly does this mean? Can you please attempt it again, so that it becomes something easier to comprehend?

You've only been on this forum for about 5 minutes, so you won't know that when Lowe and his mottley crew ran things, I was certainly not a happy clappy then.

 

Since then, I don't apologise for the enjoyment brought about by the club being bought by a billionaire, the excitement of our journey back to the top flight from the third division and our plans and ambitions to go much further towards being a foce to be reckoned with in the Premiership, rather than the perrenial relegation fodder we once were.

 

I was critical of the sacking of Adkins and the way it was done. I'm still of the opinion that unless we finish above the 15th plece where Adkins had left us, then the replacement of him by Pochettino will not be justified.

 

The question Wiggles asks of you is perfectly justified, but I suspect that the joy you derive from your seemingly niggly whining has far more to do with the pleasure you derive as a WUM.

 

This is true. So unhappy was Les that he ripped up his season ticket in protest.

[Greenridge]

This is true. So unhappy was Les that he ripped up his season ticket in protest.

 

Just like your good chum, The Kraken, when Adkins got sacked. Different though I guess?

[Barry Sanchez]

This is true. So unhappy was Les that he ripped up his season ticket in protest.

 

:lol:I have just followed through I am laughing so hard.

[Turkish]

Just like your good chum, The Kraken, when Adkins got sacked. Different though I guess?

 

Oh look, my stalker is back.

[Greenridge]

Oh look, my stalker is back.

 

You could always answer the question Richard rather than petty diversion tactics.

[Barry Sanchez]

Why don't you just admit that having questioned the timescale and finances of Cortese's European ambitions, that you just don't know what they are?

 

 

 

What exactly does this mean? Can you please attempt it again, so that it becomes something easier to comprehend?

 

You've only been on this forum for about 5 minutes, so you won't know that when Lowe and his mottley crew ran things, I was certainly not a happy clappy then.

 

Since then, I don't apologise for the enjoyment brought about by the club being bought by a billionaire, the excitement of our journey back to the top flight from the third division and our plans and ambitions to go much further towards being a foce to be reckoned with in the Premiership, rather than the perrenial relegation fodder we once were.

 

I was critical of the sacking of Adkins and the way it was done. I'm still of the opinion that unless we finish above the 15th plece where Adkins had left us, then the replacement of him by Pochettino will not be justified.

 

The question Wiggles asks of you is perfectly justified, but I suspect that the joy you derive from your seemingly niggly whining has far more to do with the pleasure you derive as a WUM.

 

 

Answer what?

Do you think our academy will produce a team like the class of 93?

 

The chances are slim enough to doubt it I think.

 

We have spent 30 million, thats chicken feed, not for us but for other clubs, Carroll, Henderson and Downing as obvious examples.

 

If you believe an intention above reality then you need to visit a doctor, Cortese's intention is to get us into Europe but then its so many other larger clubs paying more money and wages who are seen as a better option for them, its not like a newly promoted team has ever wanted European football is it?

Edited 28 March, 2013 by Barry Sanchez

[Turkish]

You could always answer the question Richard rather than petty diversion tactics.

 

It wasn't a petty diversion tactic, you are wrong and stalking as usual.Well done on finding out my name by the way, although your obsession with me is more than slightly disturbing, Barry.

 

Krackers didn't rip up his season ticket in a childish tandrum, vowing never to go again. He simply said he wasn't going to the everton game, so yes, very different.

[Barry Sanchez]

Does that mean

I am being distrurbed?

I am attracted to you?

Or you are passing me the baton to comment?

[Greenridge]

Krackers didn't rip up his season ticket in a childish tandrum, vowing never to go again. He simply said he wasn't going to the everton game. Well done on finding out my name by the way, although your obsession with me is more than slightly disturbing, Barry.

 

Kraken said he wasn't going to go again this season in his tantrum over the Adkins sacking, so essentially exactly the same stick you are trying to beat Wes Tender with. Much ironic lols. As for obsession, are you still posting images of how you dream of me on TMS. More ironic lols. Chin up Richie.

[Turkish]

Kraken said he wasn't going to go again this season in his tantrum over the Adkins sacking, so essentially exactly the same stick you are trying to beat Wes Tender with. Much ironic lols. As for obsession, are you still posting images of how you dream of me on TMS. More ironic lols. Chin up Richie.

 

 

 

[Wes Tender]

:lol:I have just followed through I am laughing so hard.

 

You're laughing so hard at the innaccurate rubbish that Dorkish is posting, because I'm running rings around you and the almost unintelligible drivel you post and you wish to attempt to put a brave face on it.

 

I've already explained on several occasions the situation regarding the ST protest against Lowe. I never ripped up the ST, but just didn't renew it for one season. If there is anything about that that you cannot comprehend, I'll spell it out more clearly by typing more slowly, just for yours and Dorkish's benefit.

[Turkish]

You're laughing so hard at the innaccurate rubbish that Dorkish is posting, because I'm running rings around you and the almost unintelligible drivel you post and you wish to attempt to put a brave face on it.

 

I've already explained on several occasions the situation regarding the ST protest against Lowe. I never ripped up the ST, but just didn't renew it for one season. If there is anything about that that you cannot comprehend, I'll spell it out more clearly by typing more slowly, just for yours and Dorkish's benefit.

 

:lol::lol::lol:

 

We all know you did Les.