Crab Lungs Posted 24 March, 2013 Share Posted 24 March, 2013 It may be a biased opinion but.... really? http://hereisthecity.com/2013/03/08/ld-fabios-return-will-block-any-manchester-united-bid-for-luke-s/ The point is Fabio has the same set of core skills as Luke Shaw and going after Shaw could be a waste of time, energy and money. Despite the height, he's arguably quicker, better on the ball, fitter and just as effective going forward. Fabio has a history at United and proven experience of having played in a top Premier League side under the pressure which comes for any player representing United. The only way his brother Rafael developed into arguably the best right back in the world, is through being thrown in at the deep end at United time and time again in big games and high pressure situations. One of the worst articles I've ever read. Big clubs really do believe their own hype, don't they? We've had Liverpool fans describe Jordan Henderson as "world class" and now we've got this strange news piece telling us Rafael is one of the best, if not the best right-back in the world and Fabio is better than Luke Shaw. Yes, I know a few got a bit carried away with Kelvin's nPC form but this truly is crap. This is exactly why the likes of Cleverley get in the England squad. Overrated massively, but at a "big club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 24 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 24 March, 2013 FWIW, I hope that opinion of him is commonly held by his fellow fans, likewise the rest of our players. Long may that not be coveted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 24 March, 2013 Share Posted 24 March, 2013 Luke shaw isn't worth the money! Spread the word... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 24 March, 2013 Share Posted 24 March, 2013 Fabio is not a spec on Luke Shaw. However those dumbs mancs can keep that attitude for all I care. Genuinely don't think we'll sell any player we don't want to this Summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaneNero Posted 24 March, 2013 Share Posted 24 March, 2013 Defensively yes. Going forward not a chance! Shaw still makes point costing mistakes, tbf all our defenders do anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 24 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 24 March, 2013 It's early days, but I've not seen anyone come from the academy who has looked as "complete" as Luke Shaw, including Bale. (Not saying Shaw will be better or is the finished article but for his age, he's shown unbelievably maturity). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 24 March, 2013 Share Posted 24 March, 2013 It's early days, but I've not seen anyone come from the academy who has looked as "complete" as Luke Shaw, including Bale. (Not saying Shaw will be better or is the finished article but for his age, he's shown unbelievably maturity). If I remember back we used to grumble that Bale was'nt as a good a defender as he might be on this forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 24 March, 2013 Share Posted 24 March, 2013 Defensively yes. Going forward not a chance! Shaw still makes point costing mistakesName one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 24 March, 2013 Share Posted 24 March, 2013 Name one... Well, his stupid free kick straight to Suarez, his clearance straight to Johnson leading to their goal, his clearance straight to Park v Qpr, getting skinned for Keneyne's goal vs Stoke. Not all those have cost us points but potentially goals. Great player but defensively nowhere near perfect. Anyone who thinks his defensive work is without fault is just naive. IMO of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFSFC Posted 24 March, 2013 Share Posted 24 March, 2013 Name one... Wigan away!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Reece Posted 24 March, 2013 Share Posted 24 March, 2013 Well, his stupid free kick straight to Suarez, his clearance straight to Johnson leading to their goal, his clearance straight to Park v Qpr, getting skinned for Keneyne's goal vs Stoke. Not all those have cost us points but potentially goals. Great player but defensively nowhere near perfect. Anyone who thinks his defensive work is without fault is just naive. IMO of course. Of course he's not going to be perfect, he's 17. It just seems he's that much more comfortable in this league than possibly any of the other defenders, maybe Clyne too but I agree with your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 24 March, 2013 Share Posted 24 March, 2013 Rafael the best right back in the world?? Behave! He's turd and I am ashamed of humanity if others can't see that. Fabio better than Luke Shaw is just as embarrassing and just isn't true either. Great sunday laugh though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 24 March, 2013 Share Posted 24 March, 2013 Somebody tell Shaw to crouch down in post match interviews. If the only reason any club would want him is because he's tall I say we spread the word he's essentially shirefolk and rather useless at football! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 24 March, 2013 Share Posted 24 March, 2013 Name one... QPR at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintsAhoy Posted 24 March, 2013 Share Posted 24 March, 2013 Somebody tell Shaw to crouch down in post match interviews. If the only reason any club would want him is because he's tall I say we spread the word he's essentially shirefolk and rather useless at football! I didn't realise he was 6' 1". I also didn't realise one of his middle names was Hoare. Thanks Wikipedia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 24 March, 2013 Share Posted 24 March, 2013 Fabio? Who he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niceandfriendly Posted 24 March, 2013 Share Posted 24 March, 2013 Name one... There have been quite a few to be fair. Still quality player though. He should have done better by getting back to attempt a challenge for Liverpool's goal last week. When the ball got cleared by Rodriquez (I think it was) he got caught wandering up field, then when the ball was hit back in quickly he wasn't in position to try to challenge for the ball from Sturridge and one other. Not saying he definitely would have stopped the goal but could've made it harder for the player to get that first shot away which deflected into Coutinho's path. Making mistakes now and then, but would have him over Fabio any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted 24 March, 2013 Share Posted 24 March, 2013 Rafael the best RB in the world?! He's not even the best in the ****ing Premier League... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 24 March, 2013 Share Posted 24 March, 2013 Zabaleta is probably the worlds best right back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 24 March, 2013 Share Posted 24 March, 2013 his clearance straight to Johnson leading to their goal Wasn't that Jay Rod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 24 March, 2013 Share Posted 24 March, 2013 Zabaleta is probably the worlds best right back. Daniel Alves might have something to say about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 24 March, 2013 Share Posted 24 March, 2013 Daniel Alves might have something to say about that. or Phillip Lahm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSaint Posted 24 March, 2013 Share Posted 24 March, 2013 Luke Shaw is rubbish, over rated, wears women's underwear, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 25 March, 2013 Share Posted 25 March, 2013 or Phillip Lahm... That's a very good shout actually, don't agree with Alves defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted 25 March, 2013 Share Posted 25 March, 2013 Frazer Richardson. Close thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 25 March, 2013 Share Posted 25 March, 2013 Sergio Ramos... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 25 March, 2013 Share Posted 25 March, 2013 Sergio Ramos... Arguably the best defender in the world. As good at right back as he is at centre back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 25 March, 2013 Share Posted 25 March, 2013 It may be a biased opinion but.... really? http://hereisthecity.com/2013/03/08/ld-fabios-return-will-block-any-manchester-united-bid-for-luke-s/ One of the worst articles I've ever read. Big clubs really do believe their own hype, don't they? We've had Liverpool fans describe Jordan Henderson as "world class" and now we've got this strange news piece telling us Rafael is one of the best, if not the best right-back in the world and Fabio is better than Luke Shaw. Yes, I know a few got a bit carried away with Kelvin's nPC form but this truly is crap. This is exactly why the likes of Cleverley get in the England squad. Overrated massively, but at a "big club. Good article, I just hope that Red Nose shares their opinion on their boy Fabio. Shaw is no way 'good enough' for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 25 March, 2013 Share Posted 25 March, 2013 Yeh Rafael best right back in the world made me laugh. Shaw isn't perfect but he's better than Fabio by a lot. Fabio isn't even a regular for QPR, Troare gets in a head of him and he's terrible. But like Morgan I'm quite happy for the big clubs and their fans to undrerate our players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 25 March, 2013 Share Posted 25 March, 2013 Ignacio Abate is up there with the best RBs in the world, for me (although Lahm is probably the best) Abate is miles ahead of Rafael. Just as Shaw is miles ahead of Fabio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted 25 March, 2013 Share Posted 25 March, 2013 Yeah, the problem is though that the people who actually matter in football DO rate our players, so expect a few bids for key figures in the summers of 2013 and 2014 at least! I want Shaw to stay with us for his whole career, and with the right treatment and progress I don't see why he wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 25 March, 2013 Share Posted 25 March, 2013 Yeah, the problem is though that the people who actually matter in football DO rate our players, so expect a few bids for key figures in the summers of 2013 and 2014 at least! I want Shaw to stay with us for his whole career, and with the right treatment and progress I don't see why he wouldn't. Because he will want to play at the highest level which won't be happening anytime soon, like all players he will want to test himself at the business end of the league, in the Champions league and internationally. I can see him getting international caps while a Saints player but the other two are not going to happen oh and dodn't mention the circa 100K a week he could earn at oneof the big boys that we can't match! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 26 March, 2013 Share Posted 26 March, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 26 March, 2013 Share Posted 26 March, 2013 Because he will want to play at the highest level which won't be happening anytime soon, like all players he will want to test himself at the business end of the league, in the Champions league and internationally. I can see him getting international caps while a Saints player but the other two are not going to happen oh and dodn't mention the circa 100K a week he could earn at oneof the big boys that we can't match! Realistically we can't keep him here for his whole career unless he has a Le Tiss level of loyalty or doesn't quite turn out to be the top player we think he's going to be. I reckon however if we are playing premiership football with the good finances we should be able to keep these players until they are about 22-23, rather than them leaving at 17/18 as they have done previously. Some of these youngster have rushed off to the bigger clubs and not done so well, look at Bale for example. Hopefully we will get a couple of seasons of them as top palyers before they move when they are ready for the next step up. We might get the odd loyal fellow that wants to stay here longer but most will leave for the bright lights of the champions league and £100k a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 March, 2013 Share Posted 26 March, 2013 Of course he's not going to be perfect, he's 17. It just seems he's that much more comfortable in this league than possibly any of the other defenders, maybe Clyne too but I agree with your point. The errors were in direct response to someone challenging someone else to "name a goal-costing mistake", not much more to it than that. FWIW, 6 different goals were mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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