Chelsea line up £7m summer bid for Clyne

[david in sweden]

As per title. According to the Mirror. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/chelsea-transfer-news-blues-line-1781261

 

I think we all know what NC would do with that offer.Think he's been signing of the season. Consistently consistent and is one hell of a prospect. Would be foolish to let him leave.

 

 

 

AGREE TOTALLY ...but historically, very few " London-born" players have settled into life on the South Coast.

 

If he misses " the bright lights " (or whatever they like to call it ") ..then he'll relish the thought of a return, and the salary he'd get....by moving to a top 4 side.

 

Interesting to see how things are at the end of the seaosn. IF we stay up - no problem, but if things go wrong they'll be an ongoing auction in the media for our best players.

 

If the top London clubs do succeed in luring away such players, then I hope Cortese makes them pay (BIG TIME).

[Turkish]

I would imagine that every EPL clubs' scouts have been watching Clyne this season. Don't worry boys its only the Mirror and they have only got one SFC story right this year.

 

The most important one about our manager being fired and replaced, yes.

[Restark19]

Surprised cork hasn't been linked with anyone yet.

 

Long may it continue

[Leicestersaint]

Good player - we want to keep him.

[Guan 2.0]

AGREE TOTALLY ...but historically, very few " London-born" players have settled into life on the South Coast.

 

If he misses " the bright lights " (or whatever they like to call it ") ..then he'll relish the thought of a return, and the salary he'd get....by moving to a top 4 side.

 

Interesting to see how things are at the end of the seaosn. IF we stay up - no problem, but if things go wrong they'll be an ongoing auction in the media for our best players.

 

If the top London clubs do succeed in luring away such players, then I hope Cortese makes them pay (BIG TIME).

 

Jack Cork got over hanging out of the back of that essex redhead quick enough. Which at the time was given as a reason he wouldn't settle.

[Wiggles31]

Chelsea - the ruiners of English talent. They can feck off. Disgusting club.

[rshephard3]

Chamberlain went for more like £1om with add ons.

 

Be worried. He left Palace for Prem football, why not leave Saints for CL football?

 

The down side to all this interest is that we are going to have to pay bigger and bigger wages to keep our best players. Hopefully none will become millstones round our necks.

 

Exactly. I'll be interested in how far we can go when we show resolve and keep young players interested in staying at SFC. We aren't the only club to have changed with the times but if we are to compete higher we MUST keep Clyne, Shaw, Schneiderlin, Cork and plan the future around these excellent youngsters. If we flog them for £10million a piece we're back in the same cycle that wound us up in administration last time. Once a mistake, twice a fool.

 

Before someone says it, I do appreciate keeping young lads interested when Utd, Chelsea et al are sniffing around is one hell of an ask but we have no choice IMO.

[hypochondriac]

Exactly. I'll be interested in how far we can go when we show resolve and keep young players interested in staying at SFC. We aren't the only club to have changed with the times but if we are to compete higher we MUST keep Clyne, Shaw, Schneiderlin, Cork and plan the future around these excellent youngsters. If we flog them for £10million a piece we're back in the same cycle that wound us up in administration last time. Once a mistake, twice a fool.

 

Before someone says it, I do appreciate keeping young lads interested when Utd, Chelsea et al are sniffing around is one hell of an ask but we have no choice IMO.

 

It's not one hell of an ask it's impossible.

[CB Fry]

Exactly. I'll be interested in how far we can go when we show resolve and keep young players interested in staying at SFC. We aren't the only club to have changed with the times but if we are to compete higher we MUST keep Clyne, Shaw, Schneiderlin, Cork and plan the future around these excellent youngsters. If we flog them for £10million a piece we're back in the same cycle that wound us up in administration last time. Once a mistake, twice a fool.

 

Before someone says it, I do appreciate keeping young lads interested when Utd, Chelsea et al are sniffing around is one hell of an ask but we have no choice IMO.

 

 

We'll have "no choice" when these players want to leave to better themselves. Funnily enough no one here wept any tears for Palace when we took Clyne from them, or when we outmuscled Burnley to land Cork.

 

It's the football food chain.

[farawaysaint]

We'll have "no choice" when these players want to leave to better themselves. Funnily enough no one here wept any tears for Palace when we took Clyne from them, or when we outmuscled Burnley to land Cork.

 

It's the football food chain.

 

That's different, I don't support Burnley or Crystal Palace and their fans had a welcome moan over those two.

[CB Fry]

That's different, I don't support Burnley or Crystal Palace and their fans had a welcome moan over those two.

 

 

Clyne and Cork don't support Saints.

[Saint Martini]

It's not one hell of an ask it's impossible.

 

Eventually its impossible, the trick is to keep them 1 or 2 more seasons so that you reap the benefits of them becoming Premier League quality players for a longer time and they become worth more money. This gives you a window to qualify for Europe and that will make the decision to stay an extra season easier.

[hypochondriac]

Eventually its impossible, the trick is to keep them 1 or 2 more seasons so that you reap the benefits of them becoming Premier League quality players for a longer time and they become worth more money. This gives you a window to qualify for Europe and that will make the decision to stay an extra season easier.

 

Yes that is possible. It still is difficult though.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

To be fair to Clyne he is on record several times as saying he came here to play first team football and that was why he rejected other clubs. If that was honest comments then you'd think he might stay here for a while yet until he's an established premier league player and can move to a bigger club as a first choice player. He probably will move on when the time is right and its up tous to get the maximum money possible and make sure its invested in the team to replace him properly.

 

not saying you are wrong, but in addition to this...

 

he also said in his Twitter q & a t'other day a big reason he came was the clubs ambition. something alot of the people that come in cite.

 

I know a not of people on here sneer at this, and say it is totally unrealistic and will never happen.

 

I don't wish to open up that whole debate again, but the club is clearly serious about it, and players appear to buy into it.

 

it must be an attractive proposition to young players who are looking to progress to join a club that is seriously looking to do similar.

[The Kraken]

not saying you are wrong, but in addition to this...

 

he also said in his Twitter q & a t'other day a big reason he came was the clubs ambition. something alot of the people that come in cite.

 

I know a not of people on here sneer at this, and say it is totally unrealistic and will never happen.

 

I don't wish to open up that whole debate again, but the club is clearly serious about it, and players appear to buy into it.

 

it must be an attractive proposition to young players who are looking to progress to join a club that is seriously looking to do similar.

 

The club can say they have all the ambition they like. At the end of the day, if a bigger club such as the traditional big 4 come in for our players and offer to pay them more than we are, then they'll naturally go. Our first challenge is being able to fight off the likes of Tottenham, Everton and Newcastle when they come calling, the clubs outside the top 4 that w've lost players to in the past.

 

Saints can be a certain niche club, and can attract young players like Clyne and (hopefully) keep them for some time. As soon as the big clubs come in with a determined move for our players we have little chance, and can only hope to maximise the transfer fee. And I've a feeling that Cortese knows we can never compete with the likes of Man United.

[derry]

As long as he lines up replacements and makes the arrogant buggers pay through the nose It won't be a problem.

[Turkish]

The club can say they have all the ambition they like. At the end of the day, if a bigger club such as the traditional big 4 come in for our players and offer to pay them more than we are, then they'll naturally go. Our first challenge is being able to fight off the likes of Tottenham, Everton and Newcastle when they come calling, the clubs outside the top 4 that w've lost players to in the past.

 

Saints can be a certain niche club, and can attract young players like Clyne and (hopefully) keep them for some time. As soon as the big clubs come in with a determined move for our players we have little chance, and can only hope to maximise the transfer fee. And I've a feeling that Cortese knows we can never compete with the likes of Man United.

 

And the reality is the big 4 will only want the very best from across the world, this will mean that despite mongboard claims we have the greatest players to have ever existed in the history of association Soccerball most won't be good enough for the big 4. Of the current crop Shaw will probably be. As you rightly say we need to be able have our players not see Newcastle, Everton etc as a step up. We won't be able to keep the very best we can keep the best of the rest, who will still be a very good standard players.

[hypochondriac]

not saying you are wrong, but in addition to this...

 

he also said in his Twitter q & a t'other day a big reason he came was the clubs ambition. something alot of the people that come in cite.

 

I know a not of people on here sneer at this, and say it is totally unrealistic and will never happen.

 

I don't wish to open up that whole debate again, but the club is clearly serious about it, and players appear to buy into it.

 

it must be an attractive proposition to young players who are looking to progress to join a club that is seriously looking to do similar.

 

You do realise a lot of players say that at every club? I mean I'm sure players said it at West Ham and reading this year. Players say a lot of things in interviews- they have pr training for a reason. The fact of the matter is that if a big club wants them they will be off no matter how much ambition we are currently showing.

[rshephard3]

The club can say they have all the ambition they like. At the end of the day, if a bigger club such as the traditional big 4 come in for our players and offer to pay them more than we are, then they'll naturally go. Our first challenge is being able to fight off the likes of Tottenham, Everton and Newcastle when they come calling, the clubs outside the top 4 that w've lost players to in the past.

 

Saints can be a certain niche club, and can attract young players like Clyne and (hopefully) keep them for some time. As soon as the big clubs come in with a determined move for our players we have little chance, and can only hope to maximise the transfer fee. And I've a feeling that Cortese knows we can never compete with the likes of Man United.

 

Sensible post. This is why Everton are so impressive under Moyes. Consistently improving their players and cashing in on them at the right time whilst each season (pretty much) breaking their transfer record to get guaranteed quality in to help maintain a top 6/7 finish. Excellent blue print for what I'd like to think Saints are working towards.

[del boy]

The Mirror "article" appears to be based on the assertion that Chelsea scouts were at the England U21 game (scoop - who'd have seen that one coming?)

Based on them being there, it is therefore an obvious conclusion that Chelsea have a £8 swoop lined up for Nat Clyne in the Summer

 

You couldn't make it up.....oh, wait a minute...

[Saint Charlie]

They signed an 18 year old RB from Brazil in the summer or Jan, plus also have Azpilicueta who is only 23.

[Miltonroader07]

He's been absolutely superb. I think I've only seen one player give him the run around this year.

 

Chelsea can poke it.

 

Who was that pls

[tajjuk]

Chamberlain went for more like £1om with add ons.

 

Be worried. He left Palace for Prem football, why not leave Saints for CL football?

 

The down side to all this interest is that we are going to have to pay bigger and bigger wages to keep our best players. Hopefully none will become millstones round our necks.

 

He turned down Utd IIRC in January last year. He chose us because he was going to play regularly.

 

£7 million is too low, and it's a bit silly for him to be a loing term successor for a 23 year old.

[Turkish]

Who was that pls

 

Arsenal away he got murdered, as did everyone.

[david in sweden]

He's been absolutely superb. I think I've only seen one player give him the run around this year. Chelsea can poke it.

 

 

Absolutely.....and if CHELSKI are bidding for him then £7 million would only buy his left foot .

[Matthew Le God]

Given we signed him for £2m and Crystal Palace have a sell on clause %, £7m would give Saints next to no profit for a player that could be England's right back in years to come. If he did go, it'll be for a lot more than £7m. I don't think Cortese would let him go easily either.

[The9]

As per title. According to the Mirror. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/chelsea-transfer-news-blues-line-1781261

 

I think we all know what NC would do with that offer.

 

Think he's been signing of the season. Consistently consistent and is one hell of a prospect. Would be foolish to let him leave.

 

I seem to be typing this weekly at the moment, have the Mirror EVER got one of these right without everyone else already saying it ?

[tajjuk]

If Chelsea really want him he'll go, they will pay him much more, he'll play in the champions league, challenge for titles etc (plus he'll get to move back to London), however I think he'll consider his first team options as he did when Utd came calling, that's about the only thing that would keep him here.

 

Cortese though would get much more than £7 million for him.

[CB Fry]

I seem to be typing this weekly at the moment, have the Mirror EVER got one of these right without everyone else already saying it ?

 

 

 

Chelsea don't have to sign Clyne for The Mirror to be right. Hell, they don't even need to bid for him for The Mirror to be right.

 

On the story as printed, I would say the Mirror are more than likely correct. Mainly because the story came out of Chelsea or someone close.

[Window Cleaner]

All these Chelsea transfer stories are risible. Their "targets" will be decided by their next manager. Don't see either of our lads replacing Cole or Azpilicueta at any time in the near future. They also have Ryan Bertrand.

[Doctoroncall]

Given we signed him for £2m and Crystal Palace have a sell on clause %, £7m would give Saints next to no profit for a player that could be England's right back in years to come. If he did go, it'll be for a lot more than £7m. I don't think Cortese would let him go easily either.

 

what is the sell on clause for Clyne?

[hypochondriac]

I'll tell my work colleague to work harder to ensure he stays...

[Chez]

...but historically, very few " London-born" players have settled into life on the South Coast.

 

another David in Sweden gem.

 

very few players get second contracts these days, so the term settled is hard to define, but many players from London have settled fine and stayed with us so long as they are wanted and they don't get a better offer elsewhere - as Tommy Forecast proves. Londoners Jack Cork, Puncheon, Chris Perry, BWP, the Wallace Brothers, Reuben Agboola, Chicken George, Mark Dennis, Steve Williams, Steve Moran, Kevin Bond, Dave Beasant, and Neil Ruddock have all stayed a fair few years and left their mark if that is any indication.

[ART]

Why don't people realise these types of bid stories for the likes of Shaw and Clyne are just part of the psychological mind games being placed in the run in to us playing Chelsea at St Mary's. Hopefully neither Luke or Nathan let it go to their heads and they are able to put in a magnificent display for usl

[david in sweden]

another David in Sweden gem.

 

very few players get second contracts these days, so the term settled is hard to define, but many players from London have settled fine and stayed with us so long as they are wanted and they don't get a better offer elsewhere - as Tommy Forecast proves. Londoners Jack Cork, Puncheon, Chris Perry, BWP, the Wallace Brothers, Reuben Agboola, Chicken George, Mark Dennis, Steve Williams, Steve Moran, Kevin Bond, Dave Beasant, and Neil Ruddock have all stayed a fair few years and left their mark if that is any indication.

 

 

I really should have been more specific - shouldn't I ?

 

Half of the players you mentioned came here as boys, and of the others each had different circumstances.

Jack Cork has barely arrived...Puncheon waould have been back in London (but for the grace of Cortese)....Perry was too old to get an extension - and glad of the chance to move up, some of the others were sold....or were not good enough...rather wanting away.; BWP, Moran and Ruddock.

 

I was thinking more about the likes of David Webb, Frank Saul, Charlie George, Terry Hurlock, Perry Groves and Kerry Dixon (who came as big money buys at the time).. but never took to life in the south).

[Turkish]

I really should have been more specific - shouldn't I ?

 

Half of the players you mentioned came here as boys, and of the others each had different circumstances.

Jack Cork has barely arrived...Puncheon waould have been back in London (but for the grace of Cortese)....Perry was too old to get an extension - and glad of the chance to move up, some of the others were sold....or were not good enough...rather wanting away.; BWP, Moran and Ruddock.

 

I was thinking more about the likes of David Webb, Frank Saul, Charlie George, Terry Hurlock, Perry Groves and Kerry Dixon (who came as big money buys at the time).. but never took to life in the south).

 

A pedant would write 'Kerry Dixon wasn't born in London'.

 

And you are talking about, what 6 players over a 40 year period. One wasn't even born in London, Perry Groves got a bad injury and retired. Hardly the same as 'very few' like you seem to have complete made up. It seems its more one every ten years and far, far more have settled than haven't!

Edited 25 March, 2013 by Turkish

[The Kraken]

Swedish Dave in spouting sh*te shocker.

 

Chris Perry was too old to get an extension, yet Dave lists a load of other oldies to try to prove a point. Classic.

[redder freak]

I suppose the question for us is, could we get a better right back than Clyne if we sold him for £7 million?

[Turkish]

Swedish Dave in spouting sh*te shocker.

 

Chris Perry was too old to get an extension, yet Dave lists a load of other oldies to try to prove a point. Classic.

 

Another one of Daves Londoners that couldn't settle was Terry Hurlock, here for three season and signed by Branfoot and left shortly after Branfoot was sacked, obviously because he couldn't settle. So we're down to three from his list of 'very few Londoners' 2 of which played in the 60s and one in the 70s.

Edited 25 March, 2013 by Turkish

[max_saints]

I suppose the question for us is, could we get a better right back than Clyne if we sold him for £7 million?

 

not at that price, if not Chelsea themselves would have gone for this 'better right back'

[whelk]

Chelsea don't have to sign Clyne for The Mirror to be right. Hell, they don't even need to bid for him for The Mirror to be right.

 

On the story as printed, I would say the Mirror are more than likely correct. Mainly because the story came out of Chelsea or someone close.

 

You know nothing more than others. Always been same with paper rumours. Only generated cos masses need football in papers. 15 odd rumours every day on bbc site alone. It's what teh public want. Mirror is dreadful for accuracy though but if they waited for cert transfers their circulation would die off.

[whelk]

The most important one about our manager being fired and replaced, yes.

 

Wow must listen to them in future then

[whelk]

Did anyone on here really believe Shaw was going to Arsenal in January as reported by Mirror?

Close sources obviously

[CB Fry]

You know nothing more than others. Always been same with paper rumours. Only generated cos masses need football in papers. 15 odd rumours every day on bbc site alone. It's what teh public want. Mirror is dreadful for accuracy though but if they waited for cert transfers their circulation would die off.

 

What I have done is read the actual words in the piece. Not like the divs on here making up what they have decided it says and then grizzling about "accuracy". Total joke.

[whelk]

Azpilicueta Is tipped to be next right back for Spain so unlikely to dislodge their golden boy either

[david in sweden]

A pedant would write 'Kerry Dixon wasn't born in London'.

And you are talking about, what 6 players over a 40 year period. One wasn't even born in London, Perry Groves got a bad injury and retired. Hardly the same as 'very few' like you seem to have complete made up. It seems its more one every ten years and far, far more have settled than haven't!

 

 

My rather spontaneous comments seem to have awakened the pedant in several correspondents...but I was looking at it historically and not based recent history of the last 10 years.

YES I admit not everyone was born in London, or played for a big London club..BUT generally speaking ..they fall into the category of players of " big reputation", and /or dubious talent who cost pretty big money (at the time)... but whose career / performances can best be described as " disappointing."

 

....looking back over my decades as a Saints fan, I am always alarmed by the big money purchase of such players and the shortness of their careers.

Three of the biggest buys ; Charlie George, Perry Groves and Kerry Dixon played less than 80 games between them. and yet cost huge sums in comparison with their service to the club.

YES - one was injured I know, and another perhaps too old to return to the " big time " though many of them (seemingly) couldn't wait to get back to London.

 

We only have ourselves to blame as we were suckered into deals (like the three above) especially Charlie George who was injured when we bought him....and we lured ourselves into parting with considerable chunks of the record fees we received for Martin Chivers (Spurs)...and Alan Shearer ( Blackburn) - who took back a sizeable chunk of the fee when they dumped a disinterested David Speedie on us, and who managed only 11 games..... (NO!.. I never claimed he was born in London)...but we blew most of the rest on Dixon and Groves who played only 24 games between them.

 

Few would deny (with hindsight) that we were well and truly ****** by Spuds on the Gareth Bale deal, as we took Tommy Forecast in part-ex...(the true cost of which may never be revealed )..and then had to settle for a cut-price settlement to offset bankruptcy. Though(historically) we've made money on deals with London clubs, very few have - either been a longer term success, or seemed happy to stay with the club.

 

I hate part-ex deals, as we nearly always get the sh***ty end of the stick and am glad that the AOC deal to Arsenal was cash, and not a part-ex. to offload when our their " second-rate stars".

Such deals are rarely successful and frequently a BIG waste of money.

[Turkish]

/\ so actually it was nothing to do with where they were born and more to to do with signing big name players at the end of their careers who weren't as good as they were in their prime, yes? To this list of 'failing to settle Londoners' we could add The Russian Andre Kanchekskis, the Welsh Mark Hughes and the German Uwe Rosler.

[Barry Sanchez]

We'll have "no choice" when these players want to leave to better themselves. Funnily enough no one here wept any tears for Palace when we took Clyne from them, or when we outmuscled Burnley to land Cork.

 

It's the football food chain.

 

I thought the clappers honestly thought we would never be a selling club again, Cortese would steer us into Europe with 6 academy players and the cream of bought players from Europe...............................

[david in sweden]

/\ so actually it was nothing to do with where they were born and more to to do with signing big name players at the end of their careers who weren't as good as they were in their prime, yes?

To this list of 'failing to settle Londoners' we could add The Russian Andre Kanchekskis, the Welsh Mark Hughes and the German Uwe Rosler.

 

 

 

Except that those named in my post ..all had strong " London connections " - either by birth or previous club employment.

 

and btw. none of the three you mentioned cost huge fees....or, were born in London....or, came from a London club before they were on Saints' books, or were any great loss when they left.

 

I was sure you'd know that Turkish, but good researching anyway.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Extra few million on that price tag after today me thinks.

 

What a steal he was.