Artur Boruc Racially Abused

[Alain Perrin]

Very simply I do not believe Boruc. He may have got abuse for playing badly which initiated the bottle throwing incident. To me this all a smoke screen to vindicate his actions at the time. To say he was hurled racist abuse five months after the incident !! Cmon

 

Exactly. That's the problem with these immigrants.... ff he can't take a bit of light hearted banter he should **** off back to his own country.... [/sarcasm face thingy]

[St Chalet]

The fact that Boruc is doing a bit of press for Echo and also the Saints website gives me hope he will sign a fresh deal.

[Saint Charlie]

The fact that Boruc is doing a bit of press for Echo and also the Saints website gives me hope he will sign a fresh deal.

 

Pretty sure it was from a press conference in Poland.

[The Kraken]

Pretty sure it was from a press conference in Poland.

 

Correct, young Charles.

[Dalek2003]

As I said many times, those Chapel fans who abused him would, for me, be no1 to blame if we end up getting relegated as they facilitated the Gazza episode where crucial points were dropped.

 

Hopefully the club will identify and ban them.

 

Awful behaviour.

 

I have said it before. The vocal minority who were probably the same ones that kicked off over the appointment of Hoddle in 2004 and set us off on the road to near destruction.

Of course they will never admit to their part in our downfall.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

In this day and age is it not a tad odd that in a stadium full to the brim with fans, players, officials, press, and SFC staff no one else - as far as I'm aware anyway - reported this racial abuse at the time. Although I only caught the tail end of this particular incident myself, Boruc was certainly on the receiving end of some stick from our fans. Methinks not because of his Slavic origins, but more likely because he was 'aving a mare' as the saying has it.

[Viking Warrior]

if the truth was known Nigel wanted to keep forecast as he was the long term future of the club. Nigel disagreed witht he deciscion to swap him for gazzinga

 

And so the wound of irraparable damage was torn

[St Chalet]

Pretty sure it was from a press conference in Poland.

 

Positive sign that he is talking about Saints when on international duty.

[The Kraken]

Positive sign that he is talking about Saints when on international duty.

 

Yep, he must have gone well out of his way to talk about his club career whilst on his recall to the national side for a game back in his home country. Talking about being racially abused by his club's home fans is a positive sign too.

[St Chalet]

Yep, he must have gone well out of his way to talk about his club career whilst on his recall to the national side for a game back in his home country. Talking about being racially abused by his club's home fans is a positive sign too.

 

I guess that's the other way of looking at it.

Edited 22 March, 2013 by St Chalet

[jam]

if someone called him a "useless Polish ****" would that be regarded as a racist comment? I suspect that's what might have happened.

 

Yes.

 

Useless **** = not racist

Useless Polish **** = racist

 

It's racist because his nationality is being added into an abusive/disparaging/judgemental statement.

 

If there's any question about whether it's racist then you just need to ask what relevance is of being Polish is to Boruc being a useless **** in the mind of the person saying it, as it's completely redundant in this situation.

[The Kraken]

Yes.

 

Useless **** = not racist

Useless Polish **** = racist

 

It's racist because his nationality is being added into an abusive/disparaging/judgemental statement.

 

If there's any question about whether it's racist then you just need to ask what relevance is of being Polish is to Boruc being a useless **** in the mind of the person saying it, as it's completely redundant in this situation.

 

You should probably look up the terms "racism" and "xenophobia".

[The9]

Sure. You're right and the dictionary's wrong. Because you've written a few essays you must be right. There is only on definition of "race", and it coincides with yours.

 

Correct, well done. Or more to the point, it's a complex issue not likely to be captured in one sentence.

[Matthew Le God]

Useless **** = not racist

Useless Polish **** = racist

 

It's racist because his nationality is being added into an abusive/disparaging/judgemental statement.

 

Xenophobic = Yes

Racist = No

[Crab Lungs]

Xenophobic = Yes

Racist = No

 

Do you really give a f()ck over such a small technicality? Really? Honestly? What's your life like? F()cking hell, what's wrong with you?

 

Whatever it was that upset him, it was wrong. Why keep on arguing about some minor difference, stop trolling and contribute something worthwhile for a change.

 

You really deserve all of the sh1t you get when you act like this.

[jam]

You should probably look up the terms "racism" and "xenophobia".

 

Xenophobic = Yes

Racist = No

 

Thanks, Kraks, I am aware. Language evolves - the term racism seems to do for both now.

[The9]

Do you really give a f()ck over such a small technicality? Really? Honestly? What's your life like? F()cking hell, what's wrong with you?

 

Whatever it was that upset him, it was wrong. Why keep on arguing about some minor difference, stop trolling and contribute something worthwhile for a change.

 

You really deserve all of the sh1t you get when you act like this.

 

I was just about to say that... he was correct.

 

On the bright side, even I'm ready to admit it's basically irrelevant to the argument about someone saying something at our Polish keeper which he took to be racist, whether it was or not.

 

Leaving aside the bleeding heart "everyone's a victim" language that gets used for maximum impact and minimal credibility for a moment...

[Wildgoose]

I guess that's the other way of looking at it.

 

In the Skysports article on this, it is being reported he has confirmed his agent is in negotiations with Saints about extending his contract......that's positive.

Sorry if that's been mentioned before but I have only read this last page.

[Leicestersaint]

Nothing that anyone has suggested was said to Boruc was racist, at least according to most generally accepted definitions. I am surprised that Boruc is reopening all this unless it is some sort of self-justification for losing his rag with some of the crowd. I woudl have thought it would be better for Saints and for him to move on. It isn't doing the club a lot of good.

[The Kraken]

Nothing that anyone has suggested was said to Boruc was racist, at least according to most generally accepted definitions. I am surprised that Boruc is reopening all this unless it is some sort of self-justification for losing his rag with some of the crowd. I woudl have thought it would be better for Saints and for him to move on. It isn't doing the club a lot of good.

 

That must be wrong. Apparently its a good sign that he's talking about Saints whilst on international duty. Whatever the content. Happy days.

[Stubby]

Correct, well done. Or more to the point, it's a complex issue not likely to be captured in one sentence.

 

Yes. Complex. As in "there's more than one definition".

[shurlock]

Xenophobic = Yes

Racist = No

 

How about dirty slav? Don't let our farmer fanbase fool you - we're a highly sophisticated and educated lot

[Minsk]

You should probably look up the terms "racism" and "xenophobia".

 

Xenophobic = Yes

Racist = No

 

Maybe, when giving his interview in Poland in Polish, Artur said xenophobic but whoever translated it for the Echo replaced it (or mistranslated it) with the word racist?

 

Feck me, so much crud on this thread about the wrong use of a single word, when in actual fact it might not have been the actual word he used anyway.

 

The real point here is that any so called fans should not be abusing our own players; racially or otherwise. The whole idea of being a supporter is to support. I might have had an odd ffs when one of our players has missed a sitter or given a stupid goal/ball away - but I would never abuse any player in a Saints shirt. I understand others feel differently and have had a few debates with such people during matches in the past.

[Graffito]

He's right he did give Adkins reason not to play him and it wasn't that he threw a water bottle. He's improved. We're all happy with him. Why bring this up now?

[The Kraken]

He's right he did give Adkins reason not to play him and it wasn't that he threw a water bottle. He's improved. We're all happy with him. Why bring this up now?

 

Well, lets have a think.

 

Previous national football icon?

Notorious for being "a bit of a character"?

Recalled to your national side after a while out?

Playing against a side which is very much a local derby?

 

Yes; why on earth would quotes come out from Artur Boruc now? From the Polish press.

 

Although, as the genius St Chalet pointed out earlier, any comment about Artur and his potential new Saints contract is only positive, in whatever context. And Chalet is never wrong about anything.....

Edited 22 March, 2013 by The Kraken

[Saint Martini]

The more important part of this interview is not the racist abuse and his reaction. We were all aware he was getting a lot of abuse at the time and it doesn't really matter if its racist or "normal" abuse. As a professional football player you should be able to ignore it, otherwise you're going to have have a hard time at away matches.

 

For me the more important part is his comments concerning Adkins. There's a bit of bad blood between Boruc and Adkins and perhaps he is one of the reasons Cortese decided to get rid of Adkins. In the end Cortese brought in Boruc because we were leaking goals and then Adkins ignores him for a long time but when he does get a second chance because of injuries and sub-par performances of the other goallies he vindicates Cortese's choice to sign him even if Adkins didn't believe it was necessary.

[Ohio Saint]

 

For me the more important part is his comments concerning Adkins. There's a bit of bad blood between Boruc and Adkins and perhaps he is one of the reasons Cortese decided to get rid of Adkins. In the end Cortese brought in Boruc because we were leaking goals and then Adkins ignores him for a long time but when he does get a second chance because of injuries and sub-par performances of the other goallies he vindicates Cortese's choice to sign him even if Adkins didn't believe it was necessary.

 

This was one of the points I took from the whole thing. As much as I loved NA, this kind of thing seriously makes me wonder. He had a good keeper available, but persisted with our novice keeper and Kelvin to the point of embarrassment. I do realise that Boruc needed to get fit, but it doesn't look like he would ever have been given a real chance if Boruc's account is to be believed.....And I do believe his account. Bullcrap normally smells a little, and i didn't smell anything.

[david in sweden]

I note that he hadn't told the media exactly " which words were uttered ".

 

maybe.... he told Cortese and Adkins? - hence no club discipinary measures were taken, and everyone moved on.

It may have been a question from a Polish journo who asked about the incident .? .and the truth came out...? No-one seems very clear on this.

 

However, many people seem to be commenting on the use of the word racist.....whereas it can literally cover " a multitude of evils ", not not merely refer to ethnicity.

 

In Sweden, there are more than a hundred different ethnic groups, the anti discrimination laws are liberally applied to almost any sort of discrimination against anyone ..for almost any reason.

[Ohio Saint]

 

However, many people seem to be commenting on the use of the word racist.....whereas it can literally cover " a multitude of evils ", not not merely refer to ethnicity.

 

In Sweden, there are more than a hundred different ethnic groups, the anti discrimination laws are liberally applied to almost any sort of discrimination against anyone ..for almost any reason.

 

Those same many people are being quite tiresome. An exact definition is not really required in the real world......Any term uttered that singles out an aspect of a person that strongly ties them to any cultural, ethnic, creed is pretty much a similar thing as racist, and we all know and understand this. Some people will split hairs of course, and that is their right. It is also my right to call them morons.

[oldskoolsi]

First i hide about the bottle throwing incident was when some bloke who worked for Radio Solent, was sitting near where bottle landed, phoned into Solent to explain what happened. At the time i don't remember him saying anything about racist language being used prior to bottle being thrown. I'm not saying it didn't happen but I wonder if he was aware of it and chose not to mention it at the time.

[Golac's Iron Gonads]

Blokes a tosser in both senses, he tossed the bottle because he was getting strife about being slow and fat, and he knew he was. He simply took his frustrations out on a bottle, now he's claiming racist abuse, I'm sure we've all heard Guly called a black brazilian whatever? No me neither, what about Fox being a Jock? Nahh never heard his nationality being brought up when slated. Boruc is a loose cannon, lost his rag, threw a bottle and now is trying to make an excuse, we'll be hearing about his emotional journey and Pochettino being his rock before long. Tosser.

[Stud mark of doom]

This was one of the points I took from the whole thing. As much as I loved NA, this kind of thing seriously makes me wonder. He had a good keeper available, but persisted with our novice keeper and Kelvin to the point of embarrassment. I do realise that Boruc needed to get fit, but it doesn't look like he would ever have been given a real chance if Boruc's account is to be believed.....And I do believe his account. Bullcrap normally smells a little, and i didn't smell anything.

 

Borus was back as first choice in goal several games before Adkins left.

[Olallana]

Borus was back as first choice in goal several games before Adkins left.

 

Yep, but not so much by choice I think.

The way we lost our 2 goal-lead against Stroke might been a blessing in disguise cause it forced NA to play Boruc again.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

If a few insults from the normally sedate Chapel Stand were capable of upsetting him so, one wonders how he ever coped with the vile torrent of abuse he must have received playing in the notorious 'old firm' games up in Glasgow.

 

Or have the Rangers fans started to mellow in their attitude towards Catholics?

[Cabrone]

He was a class act when he joined and still is now despite the views of the bone heads on here.

 

Said it before and I'll say it again, if we stay up he'll be (along with RL) the main reason - the defence has tightened up considerably with him in it.

 

If the 'supporters' who were involved in this incident have any self pride then they should be embarrassed about their cry baby antics.

[solentstars]

He was a class act when he joined and still is now despite the views of the bone heads on here.

 

Said it before and I'll say it again, if we stay up he'll be (along with RL) the main reason - the defence has tightened up considerably with him in it.

 

If the 'supporters' who were involved in this incident have any self pride then they should be embarrassed about their cry baby antics.

 

Agree and I've heard abuse directed at some of our players by a small minority which was vile and nasty this season normally by the p isshead brigade who don't engage their brain.

 

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[Crab Lungs]

What Cabrone and solentstars said.

[Cleveland 782]

Hi, I don't normally post but have an opinion on this. I sit in chapel corner with my son and had a row with a bloke about 5 rows back for shouting repeatedly, "Boruc your f""king s"hit - go back to f""king Poland". Him being Polish and not Kelvin was a big issue for this guy. I'm sure similar comments came from behind the goal! My attitude is always support the players - support the team!

[Crab Lungs]

Hi, I don't normally post but have an opinion on this. I sit in chapel corner with my son and had a row with a bloke about 5 rows back for shouting repeatedly, "Boruc your f""king s"hit - go back to f""king Poland". Him being Polish and not Kelvin was a big issue for this guy. I'm sure similar comments came from behind the goal! My attitude is always support the players - support the team!

 

Well there you go.

 

Mongy supporters we could certainly do without. I hope the tw4t's eating his words now, but knowing those of his mentality, he's probably moved onto someone else now.

[Dalek2003]

Well there you go.

 

Mongy supporters we could certainly do without. I hope the tw4t's eating his words now, but knowing those of his mentality, he's probably moved onto someone else now.

 

and I am pretty sure that was the profile of fan that barracked the idea of Hoddle returning in 2004. The more astute fan could see that Hoddle was by far the best option in steadying the ship and starting the necessary re-build.

[Crab Lungs]

and I am pretty sure that was the profile of fan that barracked the idea of Hoddle returning in 2004. The more astute fan could see that Hoddle was by far the best option in steadying the ship and starting the necessary re-build.

 

You're probably right.