hypochondriac Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 We have reached a new low on here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 We have reached a new low on here... Says "Mr Gimp"... Maybe not the right thread for it, but it is an interesting discussion to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 MLG's still being a clas a trolling pr1ck then. MLG, this threads about Boruc, why did you feel the need to bring up an irrelevant technicality? What point are you trying to prove? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubby Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 Polish isn't a race. Yes it is. According to The Free Dictionary, one definition of race is " A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 what sort of abuse would they be saying yo? the only one i know is did yo hear bout the polish who thought his wife was trying to kill him? He found a bottle of Polish Remover in bathroom. But i don't think that one would work read out it is more of written down joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guan 2.0 Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 0.57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 MLG's still being a clas a trolling pr1ck then. MLG, this threads about Boruc, why did you feel the need to bring up an irrelevant technicality? What point are you trying to prove? I can think of a few points he has proven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 Because that the point to take away from this story isnt it.... Polish isn't a race though ? Was he being called a cracker by a black guy or something ? It might have been a xenophobic or anti-Polish attack, but it certainly wasn't racism if it came from (as it was likely to have), a fellow white caucasian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 Says "Mr Gimp"... Maybe not the right thread for it, but it is an interesting discussion to have. It isn't. It really really isn't. My display picture has nothing to do with anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 Yes it is. According to The Free Dictionary, one definition of race is " A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution". The free dictionary is talking a load of arse. I've written degree essays on this stuff. Polish is a nationality based on the artificial boundaries of a state. His "race" is white caucasian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 The free dictionary is talking a load of arse. I've written degree essays on this stuff. Polish is a nationality based on the artificial boundaries of a state. His "race" is white caucasian. His "race" is also a human created concept that has no clear boundaries in genetics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 His "race" is also a human created concept that has no clear boundaries in genetics. That's as maybe, but as I'm the only person even remotely close to being in agreement with you on this, you might want to pick your arguments a little more carefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 That's as maybe, but as I'm the only person even remotely close to being in agreement with you on this, you might want to pick your arguments a little more carefully. I wasn't arguing, just adding to what you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 if someone called him a "useless Polish ****" would that be regarded as a racist comment? I suspect that's what might have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 Well this all got a bit microanalytical. Isn't the broader point that a Southampton FC player received an undue amount of abuse from so-called fans, culminating in a disproportionate amount of outrage and hand-wringing after the player responded? An entirely avoidable debacle that hurt the club in the long run. I've had people comment to me on Twitter that they didn't hear anything, but I'd be amazed if anyone could hear every utterance in the stand they're situated. Boruc is playing well now and there's a degree of harmony apparent in the squad - if he was lying about there being racial abuse it would be an odd decision to rake it up again and put the spotlight back upon the incident and himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 What genetic "race" for example is Ryan Giggs?. Giggs is Welsh! He's one of their most famous sportsmen! Pay attention! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 22 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 22 March, 2013 Isn't it more xenophobia rather than Racist ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 Adkins didn't want a new keeper but Cortese brought one in. Where would we be without Boruc? Right in the crapper, that's where we would be, just confirmation of what I've said all along, NA wanted nothing to do with Boruc, he had his binkie and there was only 1 keeper at SFC. Got him sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 Racist against Polish in Southampton????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stubby Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 The free dictionary is talking a load of arse. I've written degree essays on this stuff. Polish is a nationality based on the artificial boundaries of a state. His "race" is white caucasian. Sure. You're right and the dictionary's wrong. Because you've written a few essays you must be right. There is only on definition of "race", and it coincides with yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 As has often been said on the lounge when it suits our PC forum superstars if he was offended by the comment, regardless of the over analysis from you lot of if it was racist, xenophobic, mongophobic or whatever, then it was wrong and he is correct to speak up about it. I'm sure our forum liberals will agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 As has often been said on the lounge when it suits our PC forum superstars if he was offended by the comment, regardless of the over analysis from you lot of if it was racist, xenophobic, mongophobic or whatever, then it was wrong and he is correct to speak up about it. I'm sure our forum liberals will agree with this. Agree - it is becoming clear that if he doesn't stay at Saints then those Chapel fans have a LOT to answer for. Hopefully the club will restudy the footage and identify (then ban) the culprits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 Agree - it is becoming clear that if he doesn't stay at Saints then those Chapel fans have a LOT to answer for. Hopefully the club will restudy the footage and identify (then ban) the culprits. Wasn't it suggested that the people abusing him were Spurs fans in our end? Think there were a few on here that said they were abusing Saints players all game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 22 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 22 March, 2013 Wasn't it suggested that the people abusing him were Spurs fans in our end? Think there were a few on here that said they were abusing Saints players all game Easy to blame them...can't see it personally. And if it was so blatent then why not get them chucked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 Wasn't it suggested that the people abusing him were Spurs fans in our end? Think there were a few on here that said they were abusing Saints players all game So they were absuing him after he'd just let in a softish goal which put them 2-0 up? odd... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie66 Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 Very simply I do not believe Boruc. He may have got abuse for playing badly which initiated the bottle throwing incident. To me this all a smoke screen to vindicate his actions at the time. To say he was hurled racist abuse five months after the incident !! Cmon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 So they were absuing him after he'd just let in a softish goal which put them 2-0 up? odd... What, like you've never given an oppo goalie stick for letting in a soft goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 A strange time to reveal all of this but does answer a couple of questions as to why NA, a former keeper himself, couldn't choose a first choice goalie. Certainly seems some rumblings coming out of the dressing room against Nigel, Jayrod praising MP after basically being messed around, others praising MP's training, tactics etc. suggesting that a change was for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 Racist against Polish in Southampton????? ..maybe the culprit was from out-of-town ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 if someone called him a "useless Polish ****" would that be regarded as a racist comment? I suspect that's what might have happened. .....or... maybe some atheist said.... " useless ****** Catholic **** "..... (that would be different) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 Yes it is. According to The Free Dictionary, one definition of race is " A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution". ....that also could be a description of generic Saints' fans .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 A strange time to reveal all of this but does answer a couple of questions as to why NA, a former keeper himself, couldn't choose a first choice goalie. . A question I posed several times last season .and again last August ...see my post #19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 .....or... maybe some atheist said.... " useless ****** Catholic **** "..... (that would be different) . "Have you been ram raiding TK Maxx you scruffy polish c*nt" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 What, like you've never given an oppo goalie stick for letting in a soft goal? Yes, p*ss taking, not shouting racist and offensive stuff angrily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 Adkins didn't want a new keeper but Cortese brought one in. Where would we be without Boruc? probably with a young and upcoming keeper in goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 It is a bit of a strange claim considering the amount of foreign keepers we have had in say the past 10 years or so. Paulo Gazzaniga = Argentina Boruc - Poland Bart - Poland Niemi - Finish Jones - Welsh Grobbelaar - Zimbabwe etc Think Davis must have been the only English main keeper we have had since Beasent in what 93? That isn't me saying I don't believe him it is more of a case of wondering why he got the stick and others (including another Polish keeper) have never mentioned getting any? If anything I think maybe the fans got on his back for playing badly and he just reacted. But that is just my opinion. I wouldn't say Saints fans were racist as a whole but your always get a few. If they did do it then I hope they are found and punished as it has no place anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 Richard Wright, Kevin Miller ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 Polish isn't a race. they could have been calling him cracker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 Richard Wright, Kevin Miller ! They were not our main keepers. They were backups. Wright played what 5-6 times when Kelvin was injured and Miller joined when Bart got injured if I remember right. Did he even play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 They were not our main keepers. They were backups. Wright played what 5-6 times when Kelvin was injured and Miller joined when Bart got injured if I remember right. Did he even play? 7 games apparently. We did seem to have a lot of goalkeeping crises, think one season we were down to about our 4 th choice keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 That isn't me saying I don't believe him it is more of a case of wondering why he got the stick and others (including another Polish keeper) have never mentioned getting any? Repressed resentment of the large Polish population of Southampton? Just one potential reason. Obviously Bart was Polish too, but he rarely featured in the first team. I dare say some would have had choice words for him after his performance against Blackpool last year anyway. As has often been said on the lounge when it suits our PC forum superstars if he was offended by the comment, regardless of the over analysis from you lot of if it was racist, xenophobic, mongophobic or whatever, then it was wrong and he is correct to speak up about it. I'm sure our forum liberals will agree with this. I'm pretty liberal (forum liberal? odd turn of phrase) and said as much a few posts above yours, #67. So yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 Repressed resentment of the large Polish population of Southampton? Just one potential reason. Obviously Bart was Polish too, but he rarely featured in the first team. I dare say some would have had choice words for him after his performance against Blackpool last year anyway. . Bart said when he signed his new contract with us a year or two ago "It was an easy decision because I'm very happy here. I love the club and the city and have many friends, Polish and English". Doesn't sound like someone repressed no? As I said it could be the case someone did say something, but based on personal experience I have not heard much racism at St Marys. I have heard players getting stick for not trying, playing crap or for things they have said in the past or in the media. But even when someone plays crap the club can get behind them. Remember when Bart had a shocker in the cup and everyone got behind him and tried to give him confidence. The same goes for Gazza. I wonder if he just reacted to getting a bit of stick like I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 But surely the whole interesting point here is the way he says "It gave Adkins (not Mr Adkins or the Gaffer or the Manager or whatever) a reason to drop me. In this phrase and one a bit further down he highlights the friction between himself, brought in by the TC without NA's sanction and the then manager. Now whilst Boruc was out because of this incident we lost 4 vital points because of basic goalkeeping errors and I'm being kind in not including KDs error against Sunderland in that. So because of Adkins refusal to change the keeper at the appropriate time we were losing points and when AB started playing a bit better it became glaringly obvious that the manager was stubborn over certain things and thus a liabilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 Bart said when he signed his new contract with us a year or two ago "It was an easy decision because I'm very happy here. I love the club and the city and have many friends, Polish and English". Doesn't sound like someone repressed no? I meant Southampton residents' resentment. Having first hand heard racist abuse directed at Guly, I certainly wouldn't rule out the possibility. I say this without casting any aspersions, nor presuming the guilt of the crowd members that gave it the big one towards Boruc. when AB started playing a bit better it became glaringly obvious that the manager was stubborn over certain things and thus a liabilty. Certainly an interesting point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 and I'm being kind in not including KDs error against Sunderland in that. Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 Huh? Should have cut out the cross in my opinion. Then again I personally think KD is a very, very, average keeper and certainly should have not been entrusted with our PL campaign. I've always been totally consistent about this, even back in League 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 A strange time to reveal all of this but does answer a couple of questions as to why NA, a former keeper himself, couldn't choose a first choice goalie. Perhaps this clip explains that ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxztnnAMmUw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 Not many managers would prefer Kelvin or Gazza to Boruc. Thank f*ck Maurice doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilko Posted 22 March, 2013 Share Posted 22 March, 2013 You mean somebody in the Chapel was bold enough to make a noise during the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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