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7:47am Friday 22nd March 2013 in Saints News By Gordon Simpson, Senior Sports Reporter

 

 

Saints keeper - I was racially abused by fans

 

ARTUR Boruc has revealed why he threw a water bottle towards Saints fans – alleging he was subjected to “racist” insults from the stands.

 

The Polish keeper was involved in the controversial incident during his home debut last October, as Saints lost 2-1 against Tottenham Hotspur.

 

Boruc chucked a plastic bottle towards home supporters in the Chapel Stand after conceding the second goal.

 

He was subsequently dropped from first-team contention while the club conducted an investigation, before being cleared to return to action a few weeks later.

 

Speaking about the incident while on international duty, Boruc claimed he had reacted to taunts from the crowd.

 

“I blamed myself for it because I gave Adkins the reason that he could sit me on the bench,” he told the Polish media.

 

“I won’t say I regret it, because I heard insults from the stands.

 

Racist ones.”

 

Boruc has now established himself as the club’s number one keeper, having joined as a free agent last September.

 

 

There is no suggestion from him that the comments he says were aimed at him came from more than a small minority.

 

There certainly appears to plenty of mutual respect between the keeper and the fans as a whole, as was evident following his penalty save in the 0-0 draw at Norwich earlier this month.

 

It has taken him some time to emerge as the first choice, however.

 

After waiting a month for his debut, he lost his place following the incident against Spurs, which occurred during his second game for the club, and did not play again until January.

 

Boruc revealed that then-manager Nigel Adkins had not initially seen him as part of his plans.

 

“One must remember I joined them when not ready, so I had to catch up with the rest,” he said.

 

“The situation was a bit funny.

 

“Adkins didn’t see me in the team, but his bosses decided to hire a new goalie because the team played poorly.

 

“I was thinking I’d get ready quickly, but I had to come to terms with a different role. The coach had his vision and I was a bit angry.

 

“The games I played I didn’t do too well, and there was the incident with the bottle.

 

“But I like such challenges, and feel good when I hit the bottom, because you can start from scratch.”

 

Boruc is out of contract in the summer and has said he is leaving negotiations over a new deal to his agent.

 

He has the support of Saints manager Mauricio Pochettino, who said last weekend that he would be “really pleased” if the 33-year-old stayed at the club.

 

Boruc could start for Poland tonight, as they host Ukraine in a World Cup qualifier (7.45pm kickoff UK time).

 

The Saints stopper has been brought back into the international fold by manager Waldemar Fornalik, after being frozen out by the previous boss, Franciszek Smuda.

 

Boruc was called up earlier this year and started the 2-0 friendly defeat away to Ireland in February.

 

Poland are third in Group H, three points behind England, but with a game in hand.

 

After facing second-bottom Ukraine tonight, they will host basement side San Marino on Tuesday.

 

The Daily Echo contacted Saints for a comment on Boruc’s interview, but they had not replied at the time of the paper going to press last night.

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Sounds like you were right all along Turkish about the conflict between Cortese and Adkins over transfers. Looks like Cortese thought Adkins wasn't thinking big enough. he wants superstars and Adkins wanted solid team players. I guess you knew that already.

 

If he felt he was racially abused you'd think he'd be out of here come the end of the contract. Hope that is not the case and the line about agent negotiating a contract suggests he might stay.

 

Without a change of manager he would have been off by the sounds of things.

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Sounds like you were right all along Turkish about the conflict between Cortese and Adkins over transfers. Looks like Cortese thought Adkins wasn't thinking big enough. he wants superstars and Adkins wanted solid team players. I guess you knew that already.

 

If he felt he was racially abused you'd think he'd be out of here come the end of the contract. Hope that is not the case and the line about agent negotiating a contract suggests he might stay.

 

Without a change of manager he would have been off by the sounds of things.

 

Knew it slated for it, told I was wrong. Par the course on here isn't it when it's something that the majority don't like to hear, just like the thread I started on Adkins postition being untenable, a few weeks before he was replaced.

 

Credit where its due though, whoever it was (Reed and Cortese) that decided to sign Boruc got it bang on, the goalkeeping situation was a shambles.

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They are cringeworthy, that brigade. They probably do post on here. I hate that brigade. The bastards even deleted all their posts demanding he play for England. Stupid little flowers.

 

I see you've forgotten quite a few posters on here said he should be in the England squad and quite a few also said he should e our number one this season, they quickly changed their minds when it became evident that he wasn't up to it.

 

Its Quite sad that when our goalkeeper is reporting that he was racially abused you use it as an attempt to have a pop at me. I'm not surprised though.

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Interesting that it wasn't Adkins choice to bring him in. Shows that the manager isn't always right!

 

 

I really couldn't see that either Kelvin and Gazzaniga were viable choices as Premier League goalies, and (dare I criticise?) - as a former keeper - NA should have seen that.

 

No disrespect to either player, but.......KD probably found his level last season.. and TBF half a season in L2 was not good preparation (for Gazzaniga) to come into a struggling Prem.side.

 

This is not hindsight on my part, as I wrote about this more than a year ago ....you only have to look to see that most Prem. sides have AT LEAST one international keeper - some more than that.

 

I really admire NA for his tremendous achievements (back to back etc) .but a certain naiveté on his part to think we could go upto the Prem. with half a team of L1 players...and especially a goalie.

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Knew it slated for it, told I was wrong. Par the course on here isn't it when it's something that the majority don't like to hear, just like the thread I started on Adkins postition being untenable, a few weeks before he was replaced.

 

Credit where its due though, whoever it was (Reed and Cortese) that decided to sign Boruc got it bang on, the goalkeeping situation was a shambles.

 

Guess those who said that Adkins desperately wanted to add quality to our keeper ranks in the summer but was blocked by the meddling, know-nothing Reed and Cortese were way off too.

 

 

Can't be right all the time, huh.

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Polish isn't a race.

 

No!... of course you're right .... it's a nationality.

 

BUT in every country, there are people of different ethnic backgrounds, and religious / philosophical beliefs who become the butt of " racialist type comments " and are blamed for various problems. IF Artur was the target of religious bigotry, or his ethnic background - those responsible should hang their heads in shame. There is certainly has no place for this in society, or a football arena.

 

Hitler found one such group which he blamed for the " ills of the world ", and those who remember Viv Anderson's first appearance for England take no pleasure when still seeing similar behaviour from racist sections of the crowd - in " some other European countries " - even today.

 

It's difficult to condone " the bottle " incident, but it's clear there must have been some real provocation for him to react in such a manner.

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Guess those who said that Adkins desperately wanted to add quality to our keeper ranks in the summer but was blocked by the meddling, know-nothing Reed and Cortese were way off too.

 

 

Mmm.? ....some weeks ago, there was a similar comment (but in the reverse).

 

Cortese /Reed wanted to buy another keeper (even bid for Butland), but said that NA liked KD... and wasn't too bothered !!!

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Surely he would have reported this incident at the time and the club should have reacted?

 

Dissapointing if neither happened.

 

He might have been "advised" by NA or the club to keep silent about it.....and when investigating could not find the evidence to take it further it was dropped....

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Knew it slated for it, told I was wrong. Par the course on here isn't it when it's something that the majority don't like to hear, just like the thread I started on Adkins postition being untenable, a few weeks before he was replaced.

 

Credit where its due though, whoever it was (Reed and Cortese) that decided to sign Boruc got it bang on, the goalkeeping situation was a shambles.

 

But of course if you'd turned out to be wrong, you'd have just been "making it up for a laugh" ala the Guly 15 minute contract clause.

 

This is a load of nonsense!

 

Oh, OK then.

Why would he just make it up?

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But of course if you'd turned out to be wrong, you'd have just been "making it up for a laugh" ala the Guly 15 minute contract clause.

 

 

 

Oh, OK then.

Why would he just make it up?

 

I admitted I made the Guly thing up for a laugh long before It was 'proven' I was wrong on it and come on, do you really believe that a player has a clause in their contract that they have to play 15 minutes when fit!!! The most hilarious thing was that people tried to prove it wasn't true!!

 

I've said many times that I don't care if people believe me or not, but the abuse and slating I get means I am within my rights to point out when I am right and have taken flack for it, like on this occasion and like over Adkins sacking where I was ridiculed and called an attention seeker, when in fact I was bang on.

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I admitted I made the Guly thing up for a laugh long before It was 'proven' I was wrong on it and come on, do you really believe that a player has a clause in their contract that they have to play 15 minutes when fit!!!

 

I've said many times that I don't care if people believe me or not, but the abuse and slating I get means I am within my rights to point out when I am right and have taken flack for it, like on this occasion and like over Adkins sacking where I was ridiculed and called an attention seeker, when in fact I was bang on.

 

You are my fuc kin hero. :adore:

 

What percentage of our 30k or so fans (or people that attend games) post on here?

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As I said many times, those Chapel fans who abused him would, for me, be no1 to blame if we end up getting relegated as they facilitated the Gazza episode where crucial points were dropped.

 

Hopefully the club will identify and ban them.

 

Awful behaviour.

 

Adkins dropped him, if the goalie situation is what sends us down he is to blame, especially if all Boruc was doing was reacting to racism. All football clubs have idiot fans.

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Wow, thanks. I must tell the medical profession. They think body chemistry varies between races and treat accordingly.

 

So where do you draw the line for each race? Everyone in the world is of mixed heritage and we all share common ancestors. Race is a human created concept as Dr Alan R. Templeton, professor of biology at Washington University explains...

 

"Race is a real cultural, political and economic concept in society, but it is not a biological concept, and that unfortunately is what many people wrongfully consider to be the essence of race in humans -- genetic differences"

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So where do you draw they line for each race? Everyone in the world is of mixed heritage and we all share common ancestors.

 

What we need is a great big melting pot, big enough to take the world and all its got and stir it for a hundred years or more, turn out coffee coloured people by the score, yes?

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Having seen the whole incident close up I cannot believe the lies and exagerations which were subsequently put around about it.... including in the Echo

 

It was never anywhere near as bad as many of the drama queens on here made out.

 

Great keeper.

 

Would we have more points if he hadn't been "rested" for several weeks as a result of the saga? .....Based on what we've seen since I think so!

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So where do you draw they line for each race? Everyone in the world is of mixed heritage and we all share common ancestors.

 

You heard of evolution at all? Its this wacky idea where animals or people have a common orgin but evolve differently, crazy I know.

 

We evolved out of bacteria and fish, but by your reasoning they aren't a separate species or even a race, just your regular cousins.

 

Yes the genetic differences between races are small and yes some populations have input from more than one race and yes the human species is more of a continuum than totally orthoganal groups. But none of that means there is no genetic basis for races.

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You heard of evolution at all? Its this wacky idea where animals or people have a common orgin but evolve differently, crazy I know.

 

We evolved out of bacteria and fish, but by your reasoning they aren't a separate species or even a race, just your regular cousins.

 

Yes the genetic differences between races are small and yes some populations have input from more than one race and yes the human species is more of a continuum than totally orthoganal groups. But none of that means there is no genetic basis for races.

 

I think you have misunderstood what I've said. You won't find many geneticists that disagree with me.

 

What genetic "race" for example is Ryan Giggs?

 

Ryan-Giggs-with-his-Playe-001.jpg

 

His paternal Grandfather was from Sierra Leone. Is Giggs "mixed race", "caucasian" or "black" genetically then? What if it was his great-grandfather, great-great-grandfather, great-great-grandfather etc etc that was from Sierra Leone, how far back to you need to go for it no longer to be "mixed race"? Where do you draw the line for each race? 1/4th, 1/8th, 1/16th, 1/32nd, 1/64th, 1/128th etc etc?

 

Ask a geneticist and they will tell you the same, "race" is a human created concept and labelling of people it has no connection to genetics as the lines between peoples genetic background are so blurred.

 

I even quoted one earlier...

 

Race is a human created concept as Dr Alan R. Templeton, professor of biology at Washington University explains...

 

"Race is a real cultural, political and economic concept in society, but it is not a biological concept, and that unfortunately is what many people wrongfully consider to be the essence of race in humans -- genetic differences"

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