KelvinsRightGlove Posted 28 November, 2013 Share Posted 28 November, 2013 Can't really see players coming from Monaco being cheap - Lille neither. Havn't seen enough of them to state how they compare to Shaw, but nothing so far to suggest they are that much better. Luke Shaw is barely 18, we shouldn't be expecting him to play every minute of every game at his age - though yes, better cover would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 28 November, 2013 Share Posted 28 November, 2013 I know he's only young but he looks far older pffft why does that matter windows? I remember when I first saw shaw play, I was like who is that wrinkled old man, is he groundskeeper? No, I was informed, he is our left back + he is only 17! Imagine my surprise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 November, 2013 Share Posted 28 November, 2013 pffft why does that matter windows? I remember when I first saw shaw play, I was like who is that wrinkled old man, is he groundskeeper? No, I was informed, he is our left back + he is only 17! Imagine my surprise! perhaps he has premature ageing or something, lad of 18 really shouldn't look that old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 28 November, 2013 Share Posted 28 November, 2013 perhaps he has premature ageing or something, lad of 18 really shouldn't look that old. He reminds me of Benjamin Button. We need to get rid before he regresses to toddler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 28 November, 2013 Share Posted 28 November, 2013 He reminds me of Benjamin Button. We need to get rid before he regresses to toddler. mind you a better haircut might help, where does he get that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 28 November, 2013 Share Posted 28 November, 2013 he is deffo supercuts. I was hoping he woud afford better stylist with new contract. Can't see any of the big boys coming in for him with current haircut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Talking about him on SSN right now, saying that Moyes should offer Saints £30million rather than Everton for Baines...however they said that Luke Shaw will be on about £10-15k a week. Not sure about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 I just think cortèse will be determined not to show we are a selling club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Talking about him on SSN right now, saying that Moyes should offer Saints £30million rather than Everton for Baines...however they said that Luke Shaw will be on about £10-15k a week. Not sure about that. You'd think we might be tempted at that price, if he wanted to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 If they offered £30m we'd be nuts not to take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Price is almost irrelevant unless its insanely huge. We are never going to achieve Cortese's ambitions by selling the best English talent. If Utd or whoever want him they can have him, for £40m and 50% of any future sale. Otherwise, please don't enquire again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 If they offered £30m we'd be nuts not to take it. Why? He will be most likely the best left back in the world in 2/3 years time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 If they offered £30m we'd be nuts not to take it. Agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 If they offered £30m we'd be nuts not to take it. Disagree, we don't need the money. £30mill in the bank doesn't win you any football games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 If they offered £30m we'd be nuts not to take it. Why? Saints are spending big money regardless of player sales so its better to keep the squad together if you can. If Cortese really does intend to have us compete for the title in the future as today's article suggests we need to be keeping Shaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 If they offered £30m we'd be nuts not to take it. I never really understand it when things like this are stated, when we've shown no requirement for any money from player sales, why would we be nuts not to take it? We can still improve the side without selling him, and we wouldn't be able to sign anyone even close to his ability, so it's just a hollow £30m really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Why? He will be most likely the best left back in the world in 2/3 years time. You think? He has the potential to be up there at some point in his career but best in the world at the age of 20 seems near enough impossible. Anyway, even though £30m would buy us a better player (it would) it wouldn't buy us one of the same age, or one that is our own. That last part is essential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 If they offered £30m we'd be nuts not to take it. Why? Are we growing footballers for profit or are we growing the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 You think? He has the potential to be up there at some point in his career but best in the world at the age of 20 seems near enough impossible. Anyway, even though £30m would buy us a better player (it would) it wouldn't buy us one of the same age, or one that is our own. That last part is essential. He won't be far off. Only a couple better in the PL at the moment. In 3 years at 21 there will be very few better than Shaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 If they offered £30m we'd be nuts not to take it. He has to be worth far more to us surely as our objective is 80% of the first team to be academy grown. The hit to that objective prohibits his sale (unless we have better in the academy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 If they offered £30m we'd be nuts not to take it. I simply do not understand why people say things like this. Why on earth would you take this money - we would not get anyone better for £30 million and anyone we bought would be a big risk (eg Ramirez and Osvaldo) - so why take the money?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 If you fellas don't think £30m for a 18yo full back isn't good business then you're even more clueless than I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 If you fellas don't think £30m for a 18yo full back isn't good business then you're even more clueless than I thought. What does your nipper think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 If you fellas don't think £30m for a 18yo full back isn't good business then you're even more clueless than I thought. Why are you talking about it in terms of "good business"? Saints have shown the are able to spend big money on players regardless of player sales. Why not keep bringing players in and keep existing high quality players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 If you fellas don't think £30m for a 18yo full back isn't good business then you're even more clueless than I thought. Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 If you fellas don't think £30m for a 18yo full back isn't good business then you're even more clueless than I thought. I don't think anyone is saying its not good business. It's more a case of what it would mean. Our recent spending suggests we aren't reliant on player sales. So it is simply making the clubs we are aiming to compete with stronger, and us weaker. If we are truly set on the ambition of mixing with the big boys we need to keep hold regardless of the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_D Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 I regard Luke Shaw as the best possible left back we could get here in the next few years, so selling him, regardless of price, would weaken us. Would £30M replace that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpweySaint Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Ok Luke is potentially world class no doubt but potential is not always met. Let's just say he suffers a serious injury or even a series of niggling ones. Personally though it comes down to who else we could realistically get as well as taking into account what it impact selling him has on the rest of the side. There is a point when the money on offer is simply too good to refuse but, for me, it would have to be pretty astronomical in terms of fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 If you fellas don't think £30m for a 18yo full back isn't good business then you're even more clueless than I thought. IMO, it's only good business if it doesn't weaken 'the company' (since we're talking business...). If we gain £30m and can replace him with equal or greater quality for less than £30m, or have sufficient quality already in the squad to not negatively impact us, then yes it's good business. But if we gain £30m but lose a player that is very important to us, who we can't replace without sacrificing quality and therefore weakens us and our chances of success (and therefore income) it could end up costing us in the long run. That would be very bad business. I can't think of another LB that can match Shaw's ability, who would suit our style and would come to Southampton and remain for enough years to get good value from them. Luke could have another 15 years ahead of him at this level, if we got even half of that, heck if we just got his 5-year contract, it would be worth £30m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 If you fellas don't think £30m for a 18yo full back isn't good business then you're even more clueless than I thought. This, laughable we wouldn't take 30m for any player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 We could swap him for Dixon and Speedie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swannymere Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Think of the number of 18 year old prodigy's that have come to nothing over the years, if anyone was stupid enough to offer £30M then we would be just as stupid not to take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 30 November, 2013 Share Posted 30 November, 2013 Think of the number of 18 year old prodigy's that have come to nothing over the years, if anyone was stupid enough to offer £30M then we would be just as stupid not to take it. I can't think of any who were first choice starters in a Premier League team who didn't go on to be a very good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 1 December, 2013 Share Posted 1 December, 2013 Chelsea to bid £30m in Jan, paper report SSN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 1 December, 2013 Share Posted 1 December, 2013 If Chelsea want him let them have him........ £10m + Lakaku. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 1 December, 2013 Share Posted 1 December, 2013 I can't think of any who were first choice starters in a Premier League team who didn't go on to be a very good player. Luke Moore, Denilson, Francis Jeffers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 1 December, 2013 Share Posted 1 December, 2013 If our ambition truely is to be in the top 4 then why would we sell and why would he even want to leave ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 1 December, 2013 Author Share Posted 1 December, 2013 If we don't need the money and he doesmt want to leave, keep him. Yes 30m is ridiculous money but so was 80m for Bale, and now Spurs are weaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 1 December, 2013 Share Posted 1 December, 2013 Paper talk, but let's face it £30m is a hell of a lot of money for any teenage lad. But I don't happen to believe that the club would do that deal because I'm not sure we need the money and, more importantly, selling Luke would go against everything this club currently stands for. If we're serious about becoming a club capable of regularly challenging at the top of the Premier League - and all the indications are that the Chairman is deadly serious in that grand/insane ambition of his - then we'll obviously need players of Luke's ability and potential to achieve that aim. From that perspective it would surely be counterproductive to lose him. If we are indeed serious about building a team based around young English talent, in large part generated from our own academy, then selling them off before they even reach their full potential would smack of opportunism - a form of short term thinking that runs counter to the medium/long term (rather Germanic style) business model Cortese is pursuing. Above all if Luke is worth a huge £30m today as a mere 18 year old, then God alone knows what he'd command when he reaches his prime in five or so years time - Gareth Bale type money possibly. So for a club in a fortunate position like ours, a club that does not desperately need the money, then arguably such a deal would not even represent good business. No, as long as Luke Shaw wants to stay here - and I see not one scintilla of evidence to suggest otherwise - then methinks he's going nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 1 December, 2013 Share Posted 1 December, 2013 I can't think of any who were first choice starters in a Premier League team who didn't go on to be a very good player. Rodwell ? Might have been a bit older though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 1 December, 2013 Share Posted 1 December, 2013 Luke Moore, Denilson, Francis Jeffers? Michael Johnson, Michael Branch, Lee Sharpe, Freddy Adu, James Vaughan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 1 December, 2013 Share Posted 1 December, 2013 Chelsea to bid £30m in Jan, paper report SSN. just cannot see it. They could get a ready made international for half that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 1 December, 2013 Share Posted 1 December, 2013 Ok Luke is potentially world class no doubt but potential is not always met. Let's just say he suffers a serious injury or even a series of niggling ones. Personally though it comes down to who else we could realistically get as well as taking into account what it impact selling him has on the rest of the side. There is a point when the money on offer is simply too good to refuse but, for me, it would have to be pretty astronomical in terms of fee. Do you see United selling Januzaj "just in case" he gets a back injury? Arsenal selling Ramsay "just in case"? If we're going to sell him we need to reinvest the money in the team and make sure we sell him to someone outside of England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 1 December, 2013 Share Posted 1 December, 2013 Luke Moore, Denilson, Francis Jeffers? They were all first choice, were they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 December, 2013 Share Posted 1 December, 2013 It is all very well saying don't sell him,doesn't Shaw have a choice for his own future? Personally I would like him to stay, but his niggling injuries are a concern and perhaps a hindrance to his progress. If he wants to stay Iam sure the club will keep him,if his agent wants him to leave then we are in trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 1 December, 2013 Share Posted 1 December, 2013 Michael Johnson, Michael Branch, Lee Sharpe, Freddy Adu, James Vaughan Freddy Adu never even played in the Prem, and again the others were never first choice every week in their teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 1 December, 2013 Share Posted 1 December, 2013 Luke is getting everything he wants or needs at SFC. We do not need to sell so, IMHO he is going nowhere soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 December, 2013 Share Posted 1 December, 2013 Luke is getting everything he wants or needs at SFC. We do not need to sell so, IMHO he is going nowhere soon. to a degree, I assume all his champions league appearances and winners medals will be filling his Wikipedia page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 1 December, 2013 Share Posted 1 December, 2013 Freddy Adu never even played in the Prem, and again the others were never first choice every week in their teams. Leon best, Andrew Surman, Chris baird, David mcgoldrick, Bradley Wright Phillips, ollie Lancashire, Lloyd James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 1 December, 2013 Share Posted 1 December, 2013 to a degree, I assume all his champions league appearances and winners medals will be filling his Wikipedia page All in good time, all in good time. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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