The Luke Shaw Rumour thread

[LGTL]

Enjoy these last few games folks, we won't be seeing him in a Saints shirt again.

[BlakeySFC]

Enjoy these last few games folks, we won't be seeing him in a Saints shirt again.

 

[LGTL]

 

[channonwindmill]

My usual position is that we need to keep our players if we intend to progress. Players such as Bale, Walcott, Shearer and Oxlade-Chamberlain are pretty much irreplaceable regardless of how much is paid.

 

This may be the exception if the £30million figure is correct. (a big if)

 

We are unlikely to be able to get a better left back than Shaw but that sort of money could help us in more important parts of the pitch. We desperately need forwards and cover in various other positions. That money could go a long way.

 

If Shaw were the only one to go and the money effectively re-invested in the team then I could live with that. I would much rather keep him and still invest £30million but that is probably hugely optimistic.

 

Good post. Agreed.

[dubai_phil]

He's going to Real Madrid. Simples.

[mcjwills]

What realistic Left Backs out there would you like should the worst happen

 

any good ones in the NPC?

 

Have we not learned from history if you buy continously from the league below eventually you will end up there.

[Whitey Grandad]

Have we not learned from history if you buy continously from the league below eventually you will end up there.

 

Wise words Wills.

[aintforever]

We will flog him and everyone will get into a right old flap. Then Targett will seamlessly take his place next season and we will be £30mill better off, a new young star in the side and an academy with an even better reputation.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

Have we not learned from history if you buy continuously from the league below eventually you will end up there.

 

He didn't say anything about continuously buying from the league below, just asked whether there are any options. Don't forget that J-Rod came from that league

[aintforever]

Have we not learned from history if you buy continously from the league below eventually you will end up there.

 

To be fair we stayed up for years buying players from the league below. The season we went down we probably had more players brought from the Prem than ever before.

[Saint Charlie]

If he goes for £30m it's not like that will be upfront. We will probs get approximately £10m upfront as all transfers are paid in installments.

 

Then, I doubt we will spend more than £30m in the summer (which a couple of ITKs here have said we were going to anyway) so basically not like the Shaw money will suddenly be used to drastically improve the squad.

 

More and more it sounds like the OTT statements in the financial report were to attempt to rationalise this to fans, and possibly the sale of others too.

 

End of the day, for a PL team to owe 27m in transfers is nothing. We will earn 80-90m from Sky and as we have a low ish wage bill due to squad size will be much better off financially that most PL teams.

 

What happens when it's £18m for Lovren and Schneiderlin, £20m for Lallana and £10m for Chambers next summer? Will those still be seen as "good business"?

[Batman]

Have we not learned from history if you buy continously from the league below eventually you will end up there.

 

the team that stayed up was completely from the league below last season. Except for maybe Gaston and Boruc and Yoshida

[Saint Charlie]

We will flog him and everyone will get into a right old flap. Then Targett will seamlessly take his place next season and we will be £30mill better off, a new young star in the side and an academy with an even better reputation.

 

Everyone mentions Targett but he wasn't even ready to play a Cup game this season and those who have seen a lot of him have said he is nowhere near ready.

 

We have been lucky with our Academy players but can't expect them all to be able to do what Shaw and Chambers have and slot in with ease, because not all will be good enough to.

[Olallana]

the team that stayed up was completely from the league below last season. Except for maybe Gaston and Boruc and Yoshida

 

But big difference of having a team with a core that has played together and coming up to PL compared to buying 3-4 from league below and incorporate them in the team that already are playing in PL.....

[Batman]

But big difference of having a team with a core that has played together and coming up to PL compared to buying 3-4 from league below and incorporate them in the team that already are playing in PL.....

 

who said buyin 3 or 4 players?

just asking if there are any stand out left backs that will be starting in the NPC next season

 

also, when ralf (or whoever) repeats the words 'financial difficulties' better get used to buying from the NPC or just buying rubbish players (again)

Edited 23 April, 2014 by Batman

[Dig Dig]

If he goes for £30m it's not like that will be upfront. We will probs get approximately £10m upfront as all transfers are paid in installments.

 

Then, I doubt we will spend more than £30m in the summer (which a couple of ITKs here have said we were going to anyway) so basically not like the Shaw money will suddenly be used to drastically improve the squad.

 

More and more it sounds like the OTT statements in the financial report were to attempt to rationalise this to fans, and possibly the sale of others too.

 

End of the day, for a PL team to owe 27m in transfers is nothing. We will earn 80-90m from Sky and as we have a low ish wage bill due to squad size will be much better off financially that most PL teams.

 

What happens when it's £18m for Lovren and Schneiderlin, £20m for Lallana and £10m for Chambers next summer? Will those still be seen as "good business"?

 

The old proverbial hand bites will be issued by sections of the fans. Can't wait until we build a new super squad with all the cash from player sales.

[Matthew Le God]

What realistic Left Backs out there would you like should the worst happen

 

any good ones in the NPC?

 

Aaron Cresswell at Ipswich Town is the best young(ish) left back in the Championship. He is probably good enough for a bottom half Premier League team, but I think we'd be better off looking abroad.

 

the team that stayed up was completely from the league below last season.

 

Saints are no longer looking to merely stay up, they are looking to improve on 8th. Not saying there won't be the odd player that might be useful from the Championship, but the club is better off looking for players that have already proven themselves to a high level and combine that with academy products.

Edited 23 April, 2014 by Matthew Le God

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Aaron Cresswell at Ipswich Town is the best young(ish) left back in the Championship. He is probably good enough for a bottom half Premier League team, but I think we'd be better off looking abroad.

 

The poor sod who joins will be on an absolute hiding to nothing

[Saint Charlie]

The old proverbial hand bites will be issued by sections of the fans. Can't wait until we build a new super squad with all the cash from player sales.

 

Hopefully communication of the sales will be open and engaging with fans.

 

If we get stripes back many won't care about the bodies that are in them.

[Saint Charlie]

Saints are no longer looking to merely stay up, they are looking to improve on 8th.

 

Are we though? Really? In all likelihood we will start next season with a weaker team than we end this.

[Batman]

Aaron Cresswell at Ipswich Town is the best young(ish) left back in the Championship. He is probably good enough for a bottom half Premier League team, but I think we'd be better off looking abroad.

 

 

 

Saints are no longer looking to merely stay up, they are looking to improve on 8th. Not saying there won't be the odd player that might be useful from the Championship, but the club is better off looking for players that have already proven themselves to a high level and combine that with academy products.

we shall see in the summer. right now, we are good enough for 8th. we have to keep everyone and add a couple of to challenge higher

[Saint_clark]

Aaron Cresswell at Ipswich Town is the best young(ish) left back in the Championship. He is probably good enough for a bottom half Premier League team, but I think we'd be better off looking abroad.

 

This is another reason I want us to keep Shaw...I don't want to sell off our homegrown players for big money and then get in cheaper foreign alternatives.

[Pastor Patrón]

The old proverbial hand bites will be issued by sections of the fans. Can't wait until we build a new super squad with all the cash from player sales.

 

We're f#cking sh#te at spending money though. I'd rather keep Shaw and have £10mill to spend then sell him and have £60mill to waste on more rubbish.

[Matthew Le God]

Are we though? Really? In all likelihood we will start next season with a weaker team than we end this.

 

Of course they are, and it is how Shaw is replaced if he leaves which will play an important part in how strong the squad/team is. If Shaw is replaced with he best young(ish) left back the Championship has to offer i.e. Cresswell then the team will be a lot weaker. If it looks abroad for example in the £8m to £12m range they should be able to find an international left back in his early 20's of a good quality. A left back version of Lovren, who at £8.5m was a bargain.

Edited 23 April, 2014 by Matthew Le God

[Saint Charlie]

We're f#cking sh#te at spending money though. I'd rather keep Shaw and have £10mill to spend then sell him and have £60mill to waste on more rubbish.

 

And no guarentee that we will spend more regardless of any sales.

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Of course they are, and it is how Shaw is replaced if he leaves which will play an important part in how strong the squad/team is. If Shaw is replaced with he best young(ish) left back the Championship has to offer i.e. Cresswell then the team will be a lot weaker. If it looks abroad for example in the £8m to £12m range they should be able to find an international left back in his early 20's of a good quality.

 

There is no way we'll spend £8m on a left back in my opinion. In fact in history how many full-backs have been signed for more than £5m outside the Top 4?

[Dig Dig]

We're f#cking sh#te at spending money though. I'd rather keep Shaw and have £10mill to spend then sell him and have £60mill to waste on more rubbish.

 

I think the same

[CityRanger]

I will be absolutely gutted if Luke goes off to those b@stards that relegated us. Hate them much more than skates.

However, if a club of Arsenals stature continually loses their best players what hope have Saints realistically got?

[Saint Charlie]

Of course they are.

 

Based on what?

 

Krueger even said he won't make statements about goals etc so no way you can say they are looking to improve on 8th.

 

In fact, Im sure if you offered them 8th next season they would bite your hand off for it.

[Matthew Le God]

There is no way we'll spend £8m on a left back in my opinion.

 

Why not? If Shaw isn't sold we'd still need to sign a striker and possibly a centre back and keeper in the summer. If Shaw is sold for £30m we'd need a high quality left back. Hard to find someone even at the level slightly below Shaw for under £5m.

 

In fact in history how many full-backs have been signed for more than £5m outside the Top 4?

 

What is your definition of the top 4?

Edited 23 April, 2014 by Matthew Le God

[Matthew Le God]

Based on what?

 

Krueger even said he won't make statements about goals etc so no way you can say they are looking to improve on 8th.

 

In fact, Im sure if you offered them 8th next season they would bite your hand off for it.

 

I doubt any club looks to stand still, even if Rupert Lowe is in charge. Getting above 8th is extremely difficult but I doubt Saints won't be trying to achieve that.

[Dig Dig]

I doubt any club looks to stand still, even if Rupert Lowe is in charge. Getting above 8th is extremely difficult but I doubt Saints won't be trying to achieve that.

 

The best way of doing that is keeping hold of what we have first and foremost, management team and players. We are not far off pushing on a bit but the only way is backwards if we start dismantling what we have. There have been no indication of what the boards plans are and the players and Pochettino seem none the wiser either which is concerning with the end of season around the corner. We should be well on our way towards planning for next season.

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Why not? If Shaw isn't sold we'd still need to sign a striker and possibly a centre back and keeper in the summer. If Shaw is sold for £30m we'd need a high quality left back. Hard to find someone even at the level slightly below Shaw for under £5m.

 

 

 

What is your definition of the top 4?

 

Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea. Though you can probably chuck in any big club to be fair - so add Liverpool into that. Outside those five, how many other Premier League teams sign full-backs for more than £5m? That is the spirit of my question.

[Saint Charlie]

I doubt any club looks to stand still, even if Rupert Lowe is in charge. Getting above 8th is extremely difficult but I doubt Saints won't be trying to achieve that.

 

Of course in public and in theory. But not necessarily with actions.

[Matthew Le God]

Man Utd' date=' Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea. Though you can probably chuck in any big club to be fair - so add Liverpool into that. Outside those five, how many other Premier League teams sign full-backs for more than £5m? That is the spirit of my question.[/quote']

 

You name..

 

Man Utd

Man City

Arsenal

Chelsea

Liverpool

 

As the big 5. The following have spent over £5m in recent years on left backs...

 

Newcastle - Santon

Everton - Baines

Tottenham - Bale

 

Any other clubs outside those 8 are already behind Saints in terms of player quality (we've already overtaken clubs like Newcastle, West Ham, Aston Villa etc in terms of player quality). Plus left back plays quite a pivotal role in a Pochettino team and its important we get a high quality replacement if Shaw really does leave this summer.

Edited 23 April, 2014 by Matthew Le God

[Dazza82]

Jetro willems from PSV would be a great replacement

 

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/jetro-willems/profil/spieler_146258.html

 

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[Special K]

The article was more a positive PR exercise for Moyes than anything else. Doubt any incoming man utd manager will let others buy players before they arrive.

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Newcastle - Santon

Everton - Baines

Tottenham - Bale

 

As Saints are 8th, it is with those 7 or 8 clubs they need to get the better of to overtake.

 

So three clubs that are comfortably bigger than us and have far bigger budgets? I don't deny we want to get up in around them but I just don't see us spending the £8-12m you suggested we would on a full back. I would imagine £5m absolutely tops and even then I would be very surprised.

[pangy]

Shaw's value is partly to do with how the full-back role is changing, as well. They are increasingly important attacking players - Everton wouldn't be challenging for the Champions League without theirs and teams are only going to attack more with them as time goes on. By the time Shaw hits his peak I expect the best teams will be relying on them for a good handful of goals and assists.

 

The price is also heavily influenced by age - having any top class player who can fill a position for 10+ years is worth a lot of money.

 

I agree with all of this,the attacking full back is becoming one of the most important positions on the pitch these days,if he can put in 10-15 assists a season and chip in and score a few goals,can play LB at Champ league level for 10 years then £3mill a season is peanuts,Utd signed Ferdinand for £30mill in 02 and you cant say they didnt get there moneys worth from that

Utd may think that he may turn into a Bale-esque attacker as well and we all know how much he eventually went for

 

If he does go I could even see Clyne pushed out to the left,he has played a few times already as LB and did a great job.

[St_Tel49]

You'd genuinely turn down £30 million for Shaw? Really?

I would if we had use of him for another year and then sold him for £40m.with the alleged competition for him we would be mugs to sell for less.

[Chez]

There is no way we'll spend £8m on a left back in my opinion. In fact in history how many full-backs have been signed for more than £5m outside the Top 4?

 

Maybe that's why they are top four. The fullback position has become far more important to us than ever before and losing Shaw will cause us significant problems offensively. Finding a suitable replacement even with money burning a hole in our pocket will be far from easy. Unearthing Lovrens are very hard.

[Matthew Le God]

So three clubs that are comfortably bigger than us and have far bigger budgets? I don't deny we want to get up in around them but I just don't see us spending the £8-12m you suggested we would on a full back. I would imagine £5m absolutely tops and even then I would be very surprised.

 

Any other clubs outside those 8 are already behind Saints in terms of player quality (we've already overtaken clubs the size of Newcastle, West Ham, Aston Villa etc in terms of player quality). Plus left back plays quite a pivotal role in a Pochettino team and its important we get a high quality replacement if Shaw really does leave this summer. It is teams like Newcastle and Everton that Saints will be looking to both overtake and/or stay above in years to come if it is to progress from its current 8th position.

[Dazza82]

 

Jetro willems

 

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[Batman]

Any other clubs outside those 8 are already behind Saints in terms of player quality (we've already overtaken clubs the size of Newcastle, West Ham, Aston Villa etc in terms of player quality). Plus left back plays quite a pivotal role in a Pochettino team and its important we get a high quality replacement if Shaw really does leave this summer. It is teams like Newcastle and Everton that Saints will be looking to both overtake and/or stay above in years to come if it is to progress from its current 8th position.

 

then it will cost millions of ££££ with everyone staying for the next 5 years

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Any other clubs outside those 8 are already behind Saints in terms of player quality (we've already overtaken clubs the size of Newcastle, West Ham, Aston Villa etc in terms of player quality). Plus left back plays quite a pivotal role in a Pochettino team and its important we get a high quality replacement if Shaw really does leave this summer. It is teams like Newcastle and Everton that Saints will be looking to both overtake and/or stay above in years to come if it is to progress from its current 8th position.

 

I agree with all that. But do we even have the money to spend £8 - 12m on a full back? We're Southampton. We have an annual turnover of around £100m and we think we'd spend about 10% of that on a full-back? We've only ever spent money on the spine of the team, and I don't really see that changing. If we did get £30m for Shaw I could see us spending £20m of it on 3-4 players at most. The biggest issue being selling a player for £30m that may have been earning £20-30k a year and then having to sign 3-4 players for £6m each and dealing with wages of £30-40k each. So when I think about what wages a £8-12m full back wants I just don't think it is realistic at all.

[The Kraken]

I agree with all that. But do we even have the money to spend £8 - 12m on a full back? We're Southampton. We have an annual turnover of around £100m and we think we'd spend about 10% of that on a full-back? We've only ever spent money on the spine of the team' date=' and I don't really see that changing. If we did get £30m for Shaw I could see us spending £20m of it on 3-4 players at most. The biggest issue being selling a player for £30m that may have been earning £20-30k a year and then having to sign 3-4 players for £6m each and dealing with wages of £30-40k each. So when I think about what wages a £8-12m full back wants I just don't think it is realistic at all.[/quote']

Agree, I think we'd be more likely trying to find a Clyne-type of replacement rather than lashing out absolutely loads, if we do lose Shaw. Full back is a very important position for Saints, that's true. On the flip side, according to most football wisdom, full back is the easiest position to play on the pitch.

[Sour Mash]

So three clubs that are comfortably bigger than us and have far bigger budgets? I don't deny we want to get up in around them but I just don't see us spending the £8-12m you suggested we would on a full back. I would imagine £5m absolutely tops and even then I would be very surprised.

How many deals have been done to replace a £30m left back? If. Shaw does go for £30m, I fully expect to spend £5m+ on a replacement.

[Matthew Le God]

I agree with all that. But do we even have the money to spend £8 - 12m on a full back? We're Southampton.

 

This whole discussion is about if we sell a player for £30m. So yes, if he is sold when we don't need to sell him, then why not spend £8m to 12m on a replacement?

[Fitzhugh Fella]

People are forgetting. The 30m goes into the Liebherr bank account. Whether we see any of it is up to them.

Gone are the days when it was our money.

[Lallana's Left Peg]

This whole discussion is about if we sell a player for £30m. So yes, if he is sold when we don't need to sell him, then why not spend £8m to 12m on a replacement?

 

Because that is so much money to spend on a full-back for a team of our size it is disproportionate to everything we've done ever. If we have £8-12m to spend on a player I'd much rather it be a striker or centre-half. I don't see how it is assumed that if we got £30m for Shaw that we'd spend £10m on his replacement. I genuinely think it is crazy.

 

EDIT: Here is an example. When we sold Chamberlain for £12m and signed De Ridder for whatever it was. That'll happen again.