Looks like Adkins may be in charge of Reading by the time we get there

[saint si]

How has Adkins managed to sign for Reading whilst still being employed by Saints?

 

At least that's how it looks, as NA was supposedly on gardening leave but still a club employee. This would mean he would have to resign his post and thus not be entitled to a payout, or Reading would have to negotiate with Cortese for his services, which would normally require a fee. Seems unlikely Cortese would agree to this prior to our game against them.

 

Apparently NA is taking legal action through the LMA for a settlement, but surely he is either under contract to Saints or he is not. Somehow he is now employed by one of our rivals but is still wanting monies from us. This all doesn't seem to equate and if he wasn't a free agent how has he walked into another job before the tribunal has met to assess his case?

 

Because his right to work trumps his contract. You can't sack someone but then keep them on the payroll indefinitely and stop them working elsewhere.

[Turkish]

Turks, I'm a big fan of your work - so don't take this the wrong way. This is a great start, but it's needlessly repetitive. Can I suggest for the chorus:-

 

Oh Nigel Adkins is tactically inept, played Jay Rod on the left, said "Gazza, you're the best"

Nigel Adkins is tactically inept, with the points that we'd have kept, into Europe we'd have crept

 

It's to the tune of yellow submarine FFS, it needs to be needless reptitive.

 

I do like your version though.

[Turkish]

Nigel, Nigel we were only joking

When we said you were

Clueless and tactically inept

 

Oh Nigel, Nigel we were only joking

When we said by rights you

Deserved better than these d!ck'eads

 

And now I know how 'Arry Red felt

Now I know how 'Arry Red felt

When the stroke rose past his f*cked up nose

And his forehead started to melt

 

Nigel! (la la la la) Nigel! (la la la la)

Nigel strikes again

And I don't know why he took a place

In that club of disgrace

 

This is quite good for you my chunky friend.

[pap]

It's to the tune of yellow submarine FFS, it needs to be needless reptitive.

 

I do like your version though.

 

I'm not sure people would get the last bit right after a few beers.

 

However, there is precedent for a bit of jammin' on the Yellow Submarine. 80s playground favourite "We all live in a tub of margarine" was riffed on hugely.

[Turkish]

I'm not sure people would get the last bit right after a few beers.

 

However, there is precedent for a bit of jammin' on the Yellow Submarine. 80s playground favourite "We all live in a tub of margarine" was riffed on hugely.

 

It doesn't matter they'll be singing it at 10000000mph and clapping all over it anyway. As long as ADKINS is heard loudly now and again during the chorus that is all that matters as the rest will be indecipherable

[Horley CTFC Saint]

How has Adkins managed to sign for Reading whilst still being employed by Saints?

 

At least that's how it looks, as NA was supposedly on gardening leave but still a club employee. This would mean he would have to resign his post and thus not be entitled to a payout, or Reading would have to negotiate with Cortese for his services, which would normally require a fee. Seems unlikely Cortese would agree to this prior to our game against them.

 

Apparently NA is taking legal action through the LMA for a settlement, but surely he is either under contract to Saints or he is not. Somehow he is now employed by one of our rivals but is still wanting monies from us. This all doesn't seem to equate and if he wasn't a free agent how has he walked into another job before the tribunal has met to assess his case?

Surely if someone is appointed in your role that constitutes constructive dismissal - gardening leave usually occurs when you have either accepted another job and are required to adhere to your notice period or have been made redundant because your job no longer exists

[The9]

Agree with this. I think Stoke has painted themselves into a corner with signing players that are suitable to a style of football that will never get you into top 7. Adkins would struggle to succeed with that lot.

 

That would depend on whether he was given the time to turn it around. And some of Stoke's players are perfectly capable of playing a different style well, they just don't get the chance.

[derry]

I don't think it was going to a court or industrial tribunal. The LMA representing NA would be invoking the Premier League Arbitration Tribunal which covers this. Given 42 days after application and appointment of Arbitrators by each party should reach an agreement. Failing that a Legal Chairman is appointed by the PL and a hearing convened where the Chairman has the final say without appeal. From the little that has come out, it appears that there was an effort to reach agreement to avoid breaching his contract as set out in the LMA general statement on the use of 'Gardening Leave'. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a settlement with Reading paying compensation to cover it. Time will tell.

[SuperMikey]

This is quite good for you my chunky friend.

 

Thanks babe - can you and I duet on it?

[trousers]

@ReadingFC: It was pointed out in the press conference today, that every relegation threatened club who have sacked a manager after March have gone down. Nigel Adkins' response? "My Mum said to me the other day that she had heard something about that. Then she said: 'you know what - it appears that you're making history at whichever club you've been at, so, maybe this is the next one!"

[Shroppie]

@ReadingFC: It was pointed out in the press conference today, that every relegation threatened club who have sacked a manager after March have gone down. Nigel Adkins' response? "My Mum said to me the other day that she had heard something about that. Then she said: 'you know what - it appears that you're making history at whichever club you've been at, so, maybe this is the next one!"

 

I miss Adkinsisms.

[Patrick Bateman]

@ReadingFC: It was pointed out in the press conference today, that every relegation threatened club who have sacked a manager after March have gone down. Nigel Adkins' response? "My Mum said to me the other day that she had heard something about that. Then she said: 'you know what - it appears that you're making history at whichever club you've been at, so, maybe this is the next one!"

 

Don't miss the unprofessional quips. A manager needs to gain respect and manage, not act like a clown.

[trousers]

@ReadingFC: Why Nigel Adkins kept quiet http://t.co/1gFw047c3a

[S-Clarke]

Nice to see he's still reading off exactly the same script.

[pap]

Nice to see he's still reading off exactly the same script.

 

Am I a "this formation man" or a "that formation man"?

 

Ah, you gotta love him. He does cultivate that "hidden cupboard of mystery" trait so well.

[melmacian_saint]

About time we drop the Adkins love-in now...

 

He was a good service to our club, seems to be a great person but he had an exceptional backing from the board that is rare at lower league level and he is unproven in the wild. I wish him well but I'm not sure a sub-standard and demotivated Reading is the right job for a manager who is looking to create his own brand in the big lights.

 

Pochettino is our man, Adkins is history. Forget about him, particularly during these crucial months for the club where his squad and him are one of those teams that we have to battle against and defeat.

[david in sweden]

It's clear that what he did (in the previous two seasons) ....he did very well...more than that, one might say exceptional....and it couldn't happen to a "nicer guy".

 

Helped some ordinary players to turn in some extra-ordinary displays, but it only goes to show the HUGE gap between Championship and Prem.

At the end of the day....he didn't have the mindset for the Prem. and his persistance in retaining some of the Championship-level players finally showed in the first ten games.

 

Despite some brave performances, there was a lack of judgement in several areas of team selection, especially with goalkeepers (an area where he really ought to have known better).

I keep asking myself..where might we be now... if the only first team keepers we had at the club were.... KD and Gazzaniga?

 

Thank you Nigel Adkins ..and goodbye.

[OldNick]

we will still get the morons who say 'i hope he beats us, to teach NC a lesson' or 'lets sing his name all game' or 'i hope we go down instead of NA's Reading'

[farawaysaint]

About time we drop the Adkins love-in now...

 

He was a good service to our club, seems to be a great person but he had an exceptional backing from the board that is rare at lower league level and he is unproven in the wild. I wish him well but I'm not sure a sub-standard and demotivated Reading is the right job for a manager who is looking to create his own brand in the big lights.

 

Pochettino is our man, Adkins is history. Forget about him, particularly during these crucial months for the club where his squad and him are one of those teams that we have to battle against and defeat.

 

No thanks, he was a very good manager and a great guy. I am going to follow his career with interest from now on Saint or not.

[trousers]

Reading's performance being described as dire by all pundits this evening. Doesn't bode well for Nige...

[Olallana]

Reading's performance being described as dire by all pundits this evening. Doesn't bode well for Nige...

 

It was, had that on a silent stream at the same time watching our on TV.

It was a bit like us on Emirates but he is up for a big big task even next year I think. Need to overhaul that squad cause not much quality, especially in midfield.

[mitch01]

No thanks, he was a very good manager and a great guy. I am going to follow his career with interest from now on Saint or not.

 

Seconded

[Saint Without a Halo]

It was, had that on a silent stream at the same time watching our on TV.

It was a bit like us on Emirates but he is up for a big big task even next year I think. Need to overhaul that squad cause not much quality, especially in midfield.

 

Agreed he has been brought in to get them up next year!

[Saint Without a Halo]

Will Morgan be missing next week as a result of his latest booking! Big miss if so although Ward Prowse/Davis can fill in!

[Olallana]

Will Morgan be missing next week as a result of his latest booking! Big miss if so although Ward Prowse/Davis can fill in!

 

No it was his 8th and I think he is safe now for the remainder of the season. Think it´s a 2 game ban if you reach 10 bookings by april 1st.

But I´m not sure, perhaps anyone else know for sure?

[Whitey Grandad]

No it was his 8th and I think he is safe now for the remainder of the season. Think it´s a 2 game ban if you reach 10 bookings by april 1st.

But I´m not sure, perhaps anyone else know for sure?

 

Only 8? I think the date is later, around April 25th. Ish.

[Olallana]

Only 8? I think the date is later, around April 25th. Ish.

 

7 before game today according to BBC, which maybe isn´t always the most reliable....

[Whitey Grandad]

No it was his 8th and I think he is safe now for the remainder of the season. Think it´s a 2 game ban if you reach 10 bookings by april 1st.

But I´m not sure, perhaps anyone else know for sure?

 

Just had a look. 'By the second Sunday in April' so he should be in the clear.

 

Which is nice.

[Olallana]

Just had a look. 'By the second Sunday in April' so he should be in the clear.

 

Which is nice.

 

Found that too now, good for us and Morgan. Two games without would´ve been tough.

[Saint Without a Halo]

Found that too now, good for us and Morgan. Two games without would´ve been tough.

 

Phew! Morgan seems to manage his bookings very well! He should therefore be able to avoid getting another 2 in the next couple of weeks.

[ozzmeister]

**CONTROVERSIAL POST **

 

I was chatting to JWP brother last night and supposedly our Nigel wasn't that well liked by the players (to an extent that they watched him on the reading news conference in the canteen and there was many a mention of c**n). His man management was supposedly poor, he was often condescending and rude, and in a lot of ways a slightly odd individual.

 

Now this massively surprised me but could give alot more credibility to why he got sacked, why the chairman didn't seem to like him, and why all the players looked so happy in the training shoots the day after his sacking.

 

This isn't trolling, just thought I'd share sons genuine behind the scenes info, take as you will.

[Saint Garrett]

Interesting, but 2 promotions say otherwise...

[Katalinic]

**CONTROVERSIAL POST **

 

I was chatting to JWP brother last night and supposedly our Nigel wasn't that well liked by the players (to an extent that they watched him on the reading news conference in the canteen and there was many a mention of c**n). His man management was supposedly poor, he was often condescending and rude, and in a lot of ways a slightly odd individual.

 

Now this massively surprised me but could give alot more credibility to why he got sacked, why the chairman didn't seem to like him, and why all the players looked so happy in the training shoots the day after his sacking.

 

This isn't trolling, just thought I'd share sons genuine behind the scenes info, take as you will.

 

Whilst I think it is disingenuous to take anything away from what NA achieved here it does seems that a number of the squad in recent weeks have made a point of creditiing Pochettino for both their individual and the team's resurgence. I do think we are playing at a different level since he came in.

[alehouseboys]

**CONTROVERSIAL POST **

 

I was chatting to JWP brother last night...This isn't trolling, just thought I'd share sons genuine behind the scenes info

 

Make your mind up ...only kidding, have heard similar...like you do. And he did have an air of eccentricity about him at times.

 

 

P*ssed me a tad last night on MOTD when they interviewed Poch and tried to get him praise NA for the team he inherited. Tbf, NA inherited a pretty good one from Pards, it how it works when a new guy takes over.

 

 

And Ozz, when you say "and there was many a mention of c**n" is that something to do with his liking for a fake tan?

[Sour Mash]

Interesting, but 2 promotions say otherwise...

Exactly. Anyone in doubt, go back and watch the BBC footage of Adkins and the players after the Coventry home game last season.

[Turkish]

Whilst I think it is disingenuous to take anything away from what NA achieved here it does seems that a number of the squad in recent weeks have made a point of creditiing Pochettino for both their individual and the team's resurgence. I do think we are playing at a different level since he came in.

 

Of course they did it was club propaganda. The heavily edited training video showing nothing but smiling faces and happy players on MPs fist day was an example of this. Some players would have loved Adkins, some wouldn't, that's life, how often do you get 30 odd people all loving the boss and thinking he's a great guy and a great leader? The only information that matters and this forum was told on several occasions and the person that said it was shouted down and told they were wrong was that the man at the top who makes the hiring and firing decisions didn't rate Adkins and hadn't done for some time.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

**CONTROVERSIAL POST **

 

I was chatting to JWP brother last night and supposedly our Nigel wasn't that well liked by the players (to an extent that they watched him on the reading news conference in the canteen and there was many a mention of c**n). His man management was supposedly poor, he was often condescending and rude, and in a lot of ways a slightly odd individual.

 

Now this massively surprised me but could give alot more credibility to why he got sacked, why the chairman didn't seem to like him, and why all the players looked so happy in the training shoots the day after his sacking.

 

This isn't trolling, just thought I'd share sons genuine behind the scenes info, take as you will.

 

Heard the same as well from someone who works at Saints...

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

**CONTROVERSIAL POST **

 

I was chatting to JWP brother last night and supposedly our Nigel wasn't that well liked by the players (to an extent that they watched him on the reading news conference in the canteen and there was many a mention of c**n). His man management was supposedly poor, he was often condescending and rude, and in a lot of ways a slightly odd individual.

 

Now this massively surprised me but could give alot more credibility to why he got sacked, why the chairman didn't seem to like him, and why all the players looked so happy in the training shoots the day after his sacking.

 

This isn't trolling, just thought I'd share sons genuine behind the scenes info, take as you will.

 

Interesting. I had noticed the amount of players coming out and saying how much they'd improved under Mo Po but thought it might just be an attempt to curry favour with the new boss.

[Glasgow_Saint]

**CONTROVERSIAL POST **

 

I was chatting to JWP brother last night and supposedly our Nigel wasn't that well liked by the players (to an extent that they watched him on the reading news conference in the canteen and there was many a mention of c**n). His man management was supposedly poor, he was often condescending and rude, and in a lot of ways a slightly odd individual.

 

Now this massively surprised me but could give alot more credibility to why he got sacked, why the chairman didn't seem to like him, and why all the players looked so happy in the training shoots the day after his sacking.

 

This isn't trolling, just thought I'd share sons genuine behind the scenes info, take as you will.

 

Heard the same from my make believe friends / voices in my head

[dubai_phil]

Reading were DREADFUL yesterday.

Our corner of Barasti has 5 TV's in it, one of our massive was with his mates who are Gooners at our table. All we heard were oohs and how the feck did he miss that's, which made us look up to see yet another chance go begging. On a good day they really could have scored 3 or 4 more.

Not the kind of start that fans or players would want for a new manager and tbh as one of the lads said, that had to be taken as a pretty demoralising thrashing.

 

Let's see what happens after NA has had an extra week to work with the squad, but they may need more than new manager syndrome against us next week

 

(But of course we all know they'll beat us)

[trousers]

Of course they did it was club propaganda. The heavily edited training video showing nothing but smiling faces and happy players on MPs fist day was an example of this. Some players would have loved Adkins, some wouldn't, that's life, how often do you get 30 odd people all loving the boss and thinking he's a great guy and a great leader? The only information that matters and this forum was told on several occasions and the person that said it was shouted down and told they were wrong was that the man at the top who makes the hiring and firing decisions didn't rate Adkins and hadn't done for some time.

 

:lol:

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Of course they did it was club propaganda. The heavily edited training video showing nothing but smiling faces and happy players on MPs fist day was an example of this. Some players would have loved Adkins, some wouldn't, that's life, how often do you get 30 odd people all loving the boss and thinking he's a great guy and a great leader? The only information that matters and this forum was told on several occasions and the person that said it was shouted down and told they were wrong was that the man at the top who makes the hiring and firing decisions didn't rate Adkins and hadn't done for some time.

 

And that his days were numbered whatever happened.

 

The players were aware of this as well, as that's how I found out.

[Glasgow_Saint]

And that his days were numbered whatever happened.

 

The players were aware of this as well, as that's how I found out.

 

You are such a bullsh!tter.

[Graffito]

**CONTROVERSIAL POST **

 

I was chatting to JWP brother last night and supposedly our Nigel wasn't that well liked by the players (to an extent that they watched him on the reading news conference in the canteen and there was many a mention of c**n). His man management was supposedly poor, he was often condescending and rude, and in a lot of ways a slightly odd individual.

 

Now this massively surprised me but could give alot more credibility to why he got sacked, why the chairman didn't seem to like him, and why all the players looked so happy in the training shoots the day after his sacking.

 

This isn't trolling, just thought I'd share sons genuine behind the scenes info, take as you will.

 

This doesn't sound like Adkins at all. I never saw any evidence of rudeness, condescension or poor man management, quite the opposite, he seemed courteous and generous to a fault. Sorry, just don't believe it. He was sacked because Cortese wanted someone he thinks is a better coach.

[Turkish]

And that his days were numbered whatever happened.

 

The players were aware of this as well, as that's how I found out.

 

Yep, exactly as was shared by me several times on here and i was told I was wrong every time and given the usual trolling, negative WUM abuse at the time.

[pap]

**CONTROVERSIAL POST **

 

I was chatting to JWP brother last night and supposedly our Nigel wasn't that well liked by the players (to an extent that they watched him on the reading news conference in the canteen and there was many a mention of c**n). His man management was supposedly poor, he was often condescending and rude, and in a lot of ways a slightly odd individual.

 

Now this massively surprised me but could give alot more credibility to why he got sacked, why the chairman didn't seem to like him, and why all the players looked so happy in the training shoots the day after his sacking.

 

This isn't trolling, just thought I'd share sons genuine behind the scenes info, take as you will.

 

 

You do realise you can't post this sort of stuff without someone shouting you down.

 

Since no-one has done this yet, I humbly take responsibility. "What sort of *** *** **** **** ***? You ****". Now that you have been dutifully reprimanded, I think it's an interesting post, not entirely surprising and perfectly in-line with a lot of other evidence that suggests that Nige may have been part of the problem.

 

I was reading a post on the Reading forum the other day, written by one of our number (maybe someone from here) that suggested that during our ascent to the Premiership, Southampton FC were little more than flat track bullies - in the sense that our team was stacked with talent that our contemporaries did not have. Full post here; http://hobnob.royals.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=118240&start=60.

 

It's an interesting view.

[ozzmeister]

This doesn't sound like Adkins at all. I never saw any evidence of rudeness, condescension or poor man management, quite the opposite, he seemed courteous and generous to a fault. Sorry, just don't believe it. He was sacked because Cortese wanted someone he thinks is a better coach.

 

As I said, just passing on information. JWP wasn't playing that much in Nigel's final months, maybe that had something to do with it. However now I'm speculating which I don't want to do.

 

I was as surprised as u though, but there's no doubting that NA was a bit if an odd ball, remember that poem in his post match interview?

[pap]

This doesn't sound like Adkins at all. I never saw any evidence of rudeness, condescension or poor man management, quite the opposite, he seemed courteous and generous to a fault. Sorry, just don't believe it. He was sacked because Cortese wanted someone he thinks is a better coach.

 

It was there, and easy to spot in hindsight, as everything is.

 

I remember the Everton pre-match press conference. We'd just beaten Villa 4-1 at our place, and one of the journalists asked a question along the lines of "well, Nigel - a week ago you were getting sacked". NA proper flew off the handle - "Who says I'm getting sacked?". This was a press conference FFS, the one place you're supposed to be on your best behaviour. After seeing him go off one like that in a press conference, I can well believe he might have shouted a couple of players down if they'd disagreed with his points. Over time, that can lead to resentment.

[saintmatt]

I heard a rumour the players really liked Adkins and were gutted to see him go. I've also heard, however, that they've handled the change of manager very professionally and have grown to really like Poch as well.

 

I wonder why these rumours haven't had much exposure?

 

Edited 31 March, 2013 by saintmatt

[Graffito]

It was there, and easy to spot in hindsight, as everything is.

 

I remember the Everton pre-match press conference. We'd just beaten Villa 4-1 at our place, and one of the journalists asked a question along the lines of "well, Nigel - a week ago you were getting sacked". NA proper flew off the handle - "Who says I'm getting sacked?". This was a press conference FFS, the one place you're supposed to be on your best behaviour. After seeing him go off one like that in a press conference, I can well believe he might have shouted a couple of players down if they'd disagreed with his points. Over time, that can lead to resentment.

 

I never saw Adkins fly off the handle as you put it. He was calm and even in press conferences to the point of boring us senseless. Tearing a strip off players would be entirely understandable, expected even, part of a manager's armoury to get the best out of his players. A recent example, Pochettino half time against Liverpool.