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alpine_saint

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Cannot bring myself to support England with him as manager.

Glad our boys are being overlooked; they wouldnt get to play, wouldnt get passed to if they came on as sub, and would come back with their minds messed up.

 

Hoping we fail to make it to Rio - want to enjoy a WC for the first time since US94..

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Cannot bring myself to support England with him as manager.

Glad our boys are being overlooked; they wouldnt get to play, wouldnt get passed to if they came on as sub, and would come back with their minds messed up.

 

Hoping we fail to make it to Rio - want to enjoy a WC for the first time since US94..

 

Jesus have you ever said anything positive? Yawn.

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Crab Lungs

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as i posted earlier...

 

Our players are very, very underrated.

 

- If Johnson can play for England, so can Clyne.

- I haven't seen a better left back in England than Luke Shaw this season. Ashley Cole is still a top, top player, as is Baines but Shaw isn't far from that standard and he's getting better and better.

- Cork is far better than tripe like Rodwell, Livermore, Henderson, Shelvey, Cleverley - FAR better.

- For Lallana, see the same as above and add in the likes of greedy cloggers like Lampard, Gerrard etc. Yes, they WERE great players but they haven't got half the skill that Lallana has. The nearest player to Lallana, ability-wise, is Joe Cole. That said, Lallana's season has been arguably inconsistent and has also been injured for a while, which unfortunately means it takes time for him to bed back in and find form and fitness.

- Lambert is simply a better footballer than Bothroyd, Zamora, Welbeck and Sturridge. That said, he's 31 and despite the fact that wouldn't really affect his game, he's not a "diamond earrings, braaaaaaaaaap-braaaaaaaap,Taio Cruz, white-booted, sweatbanded One Direction " type of footballer. His face doesn't fit. It's a bloody shame, really.

- For Rodriguez, see above with the exception of maybe Sturridge. Having said that, he shows far more technical and finishing ability than Sturridge but he's a not a "braaaaaap-braaaaaap-in-the-club" footballer either. Unless he goes to a bigger club, he'll never get a chance.

 

Despite all this, I'm partly delighted they're not in the squad for selfish reasons. They'd be surrounded by self-absorbed, overrated knobbers and I wouldn't want our players to absorb any of that. That said, it's very selfish of me and in my heart of hearts, I'd be delighted if some of our players got capped.

 

Additionally, I still do believe they're going to have to play a good season or two in the top division before they might get a genuine chance. Whether that's with us, who knows? One things for sure though, our players are technically a lot, lot better than many of the players in teams above us.

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Cannot bring myself to support England with him as manager.

Glad our boys are being overlooked; they wouldnt get to play, wouldnt get passed to if they came on as sub, and would come back with their minds messed up.

 

Hoping we fail to make it to Rio - want to enjoy a WC for the first time since US94..

 

wierd mindset..

 

no matter what goes on at Saints or England I still want both to win no matter what.

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Jesus have you ever said anything positive? Yawn.

 

He always says some shi t about hoping we don't qualify for every single tournament but will still go apesh it if we drop any points at all during qualifying.

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alpine_saint

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Very rare that I waste my breathe on you. But really, what a warped parallel universe you inhabit.

 

You're entiled to your opinion. I started falling out with the England team back in 1998 when Hoddle left MLT behind for the WC in France and took Les Ferdinand, despite the gulf in their performances during that England B game against Russia.

 

1998 - its been a long-and-winding road. Full of mediocrity.

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Hoping we fail to make it to Rio - want to enjoy a WC for the first time since US94..

 

Yeah, as Swiss - USA 94 was awesome. Everyone was bangin on about Romania but we murdered them 4-1 in the Group. It was so much better without Engerlund. Except for all the Irish bias. Memo to British broadcasters: No Irish person supports England.. Therefore no English person should support Ireland. Ancestry excepted.

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Cannot bring myself to support England with him as manager.

Glad our boys are being overlooked; they wouldnt get to play, wouldnt get passed to if they came on as sub, and would come back with their minds messed up.

 

Hoping we fail to make it to Rio - want to enjoy a WC for the first time since US94..

 

Bloody hell Alpine are you some sort of manic depressive ? I never feel the same anxiety with England as with Saints. I love the world cup and am happy to have a presence from England, but never feel the same desperate desire for them to win as when watching Saints.

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alpine_saint

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Bloody hell Alpine are you some sort of manic depressive ? I never feel the same anxiety with England as with Saints. I love the world cup and am happy to have a presence from England, but never feel the same desperate desire for them to win as when watching Saints.

 

If England reach a finals, being an Englishman I feel duty-bound to get worked up about it. Perhaps it comes from working with so many German and Italian big-heads. And then having done what I set out to studiously avoid doing, knowing the depths of underachievement and disappointment that follow, I end up witnessing underachievement and feeling massive disappointment anyway.

 

I'm hoping for a non-England tournament where I can simply enjoy the football. I really enjoyed Euro 2008, especially since I had just moved to one of the host nations about 3 months before. The atmosphere here was buzzing.

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KK the 2nd

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On a serious note, has Roy been asked why he has overlooked Rickie Lambert bearing in mind he is the top scoring Englishman in the Prem ?

Or has Gary Neville been asked on Monday Noght Football considering he is on the England coaching staff ?

 

I think Shaw, Clyne, Lallana and Cork will have all impressed Roy. Rickie was good but not outstanding today IMO.

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UpweySaint

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Yawn. Some people eh ...

 

Hodgson would probably be looking at the younger ones as all could potentially play for England. Lambert could but it is not likely time is against him simple as.

 

Honestly dont think it is so far fetched to imagine that both shaw and clyne could one day be englands first choice full backs. Walker has been iffy this season, Richards injured, Johnson again patchy at best ... on the other side cole is the other side of thirty and baines is not far off. Cole to take early retirement and shaw to deputise for Baines? no reason why not.

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Cannot bring myself to support England with him as manager.

Glad our boys are being overlooked; they wouldnt get to play, wouldnt get passed to if they came on as sub, and would come back with their minds messed up.

 

Hoping we fail to make it to Rio - want to enjoy a WC for the first time since US94..

Can't really blame you, there is something so rotten with the England set-up, and it's been that way for years. Too much hype, but the reality is there is so little to get excited about even with all the supposed talent available. If the impossible happened and one of our players managed to sneak into the national clique, the recognition would be nice... but I can't think of any Southampton player who ever benefited from being involved with England, so if they continue to remain under the radar, I'm fine with that.

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I think Shaw, Clyne, Lallana and Cork will have all impressed Roy. Rickie was good but not outstanding today IMO.

 

With the exception of his gash finish in the 1-on-1 I thought Lambert did a hell of a job getting the balls into him under control and distributed today. Thought he did very well tbh.

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Saw Woy dropped off by his Mum (?) in front of the Ted Bates statue before the game.

No idea who he came to watch as we are Southampton and therefore he would not want any of our players ,and he has probably seen Gerrard play before.

 

Dropped off by his Mum...lol.

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If England reach a finals, being an Englishman I feel duty-bound to get worked up about it. Perhaps it comes from working with so many German and Italian big-heads. And then having done what I set out to studiously avoid doing, knowing the depths of underachievement and disappointment that follow, I end up witnessing underachievement and feeling massive disappointment anyway.

 

I'm hoping for a non-England tournament where I can simply enjoy the football. I really enjoyed Euro 2008, especially since I had just moved to one of the host nations about 3 months before. The atmosphere here was buzzing.

 

 

That explains soooooo much icon6.png

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Yeah, as Swiss - USA 94 was awesome. Everyone was bangin on about Romania but we murdered them 4-1 in the Group. It was so much better without Engerlund. Except for all the Irish bias. Memo to British broadcasters: No Irish person supports England.. Therefore no English person should support Ireland. Ancestry excepted.

 

Congratulations for winning the first prize in the 'Writting Crap or Talking out of your arse' comp! I'm Irish (St Patricks Day today in case any of you heathens didn't know) and proud of it BUT I always support England! Be it in football/rugby/netball/tiddlywinks! Exception being when England play IRELAND. I've lived here 57 years on 4th June and have a lot to be thankful for, so don't tar us all with your broad brush, silly boy/girl!

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Winchester Red

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Feck me, if Henderson gets into the England team you would think Cork would be in with a chance.

 

p.s Is Morgan Schneiderlin anywhere near becoming English having been here 5(?) years now.

 

Nice thought re Morgan playing for England, but that isn't going to happen.

 

Didn't the French change their rules of not selecting any player who plays below the second tier to accommodate him when we were in L1?

 

First of all they didn't pick him to try to force him to move to a higher league, and when he said fine don't pick me then they changed their rules and picked him anyway

 

edit... I'm talking about France U21 obviously but I'm sure he'll be a big player for the main France team in the long term. Just hopes he's still with us rather than Arsenal

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Wes Tender

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We have several candidates for a future young England team to replace the ageing has-beens, But if Hodgson follows form from his predecessors, he will ignore those players because we are an unfashionable provincial club without the fan support of the glory teams. For every player he includes from Southampton, he will have to select one less from those teams and risk the ire from all of the plastics who follow them, including those in the media.

 

Because those glory teams are filled with foreign imports, you would think that the chances of selecting players from the unfashionable likes of us, Wigan and Swansea etc. would be increased. But it means little that our players might actually be better than the English players in the glory teams, because they are largely under the radar until we make the likes of City, Arsenal, Liverpool, United, Chelsea look ordinary by beating them regularly.

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There was only one international class right back playing yesterday. Clyne has been outstanding this year and is consistent. He took the micky out of Coutinho repeatedly in the first half, right in front of Roy. He should play for England ASAP.

 

Lallana did well but I think he's a bit like Le Tis - very few England managers are likely to give him a chance because they wont know how to play him. Also unlikely to fit the more rigid football played by England.

 

Lambert - if he was a few years younger he might get a go. He's an incredibly effective player and will rise to whatever level is asked of him. He would certainly do a job for England but I don't think it will happen.

 

J Rod is improving very rapidly with us. Wouldnt be at all surprised to see him play for England next year. I think he has the potential to be a seriously great player.

 

Luke Shaw still has weaknesses in his game but his potential is frightening. A couple of seasons away from being good enough for England IMO although I suspect they'll fast-track him through and get him involved with the squad from next season, in fact I'll be amazed if they don't bring him into the fold next season. Just hope he keeps his head.

 

Cork is one of the best English defensive mids around - incredible engine. Not sure England play with 2 holding DM's though. Limited technically though and not great going forward. If I were Roy I'd pick him over Carrick, Barry etc in the pure DCM role. Also, the partnership he has with Morgan makes him look great, unlikely to have such a good relationship with other players at National level where he is unused to them.

 

No doubt about it, Roy would have been impressed by our lads yesterday, especially Clyne.

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I think Shaw, Clyne, Lallana and Cork will have all impressed Roy. Rickie was good but not outstanding today IMO.

 

Thought Lambert was excellent, he should have scored that one v one, but he made Skrtel have a miserable afternoon, he just couldn't handle him, he does that to a lot of centre-backs in this league, they can't handle him physically, plus unlike Carroll he can bring the ball down and bring other into the play with excellent passing. People rave about Fellaini doing it for Everton but Lambert does it every week for us, apart from when Samba dwarfed him. Not many centre-backs like Samba around though.

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Of the 6 English players we put out yesterday (Clyne, Shaw, Cork, Lallana, Rodriguez, Lambert) I would say Jack Cork and Adam Lallana are the closest to earning a call up. Lallana has obviously been called up before but has gone backwards in the pecking order since his injury. If he starts finding the back of the net again then he might force his way back in, but I imagine not until next season at best.

 

Cork simply has to be close. Cleverley has hardly set the world alight (despite being given many chances), Carrick is getting older as are Gerrard and Lampard (and to a lesser extent Scott Parker and Leon Osman). At 23 years old, Cork still has many years of top flight football ahead of him, he did well for Team GB in the Olympics and I can see him getting involved. If he doesn't then I think the national side are missing out.

 

Clyne is very good, but it's a tough ask to force his way in ahead of Glenn Johnson and Kyle Walker. Johnson is still "only" 28 so has got at least 2 or 3 years left in his legs as an attacking full back, and with nearly 50 caps he's obviously an established figure. Kyle Walker is having a very good domestic season. So Clyne (and Saints in general) will probably have to do something very special.

 

Shaw, well the sky is the limit. But I hope England don't rush him. There's an under 21 tournament this summer which he'll probably get the nod for, hopefully that won't have a detrimental effect on his pre-season.

 

As for Lambert and Rodriguez; I can't see it for Rickie. He's better than welbeck and others that do get called up, but I don't think he'll ever get the nod. Plus Saints base a lot of our game around him, England wouldn't do that. As for JRod, perhaps too early to say but for me he's got a long way to go before he's talked about for selection for the national side.

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Not been 'excited' about England for a long time now. The 'Golden Generation' of baby Bentleys, bling and Beckham did nothing at all except fill their bank accounts with appearance money. Rooney's outburst at WC 2010 was disgusting and showed how much out of touch these players really are. The fact that 'Team England' actually means Team Liverpool/Chelsea/Manure says it all really when there are clearly more in form players out there, many England managers have been too frighted to pick players from so called lesser teams and drop the likes of Gerrard, Lampard, Terry etc. Will it change with Hodgson? Very much doubt it which is a shame.

 

On a selfish note I don't want the likes of Cork, Lallana and Lambert going off to England, much rather have them fit and hungry to play for Saints.

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with the World Cup next year, surely he ought to be looking to use the best striker(s) he can get for this particular game? (thats RL of course)

 

Playing San Marino is like Prem. side playing a club in the Conference. .or L/L2.... at best.. but I bet England make hard work of it.

 

All of England's " pretty football" will amount to nothing ..and probably be played on a pitch looking like the aftermath of a wet day at Twickenham.

 

 

This is just the sort of game where a man who spent most of his career in the lower leagues would know how to score goals....but NO!...Hodgson will continues with the " English-style "

 

...whilst the opposition might even score a rare goal...and if RH persists this way, it's going to be tough trying to teach Welbeck to shoot on target all the way to next summer.

 

 

OH yes .England will win ..(maybe 2-0 .....after a hard battle ...with 25 shots to 2 ).... but I'm sure Rickie would have a field day out there...

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Of the 6 English players we put out yesterday (Clyne, Shaw, Cork, Lallana, Rodriguez, Lambert) I would say Jack Cork and Adam Lallana are the closest to earning a call up. Lallana has obviously been called up before but has gone backwards in the pecking order since his injury. If he starts finding the back of the net again then he might force his way back in, but I imagine not until next season at best.

 

Cork simply has to be close. Cleverley has hardly set the world alight (despite being given many chances), Carrick is getting older as are Gerrard and Lampard (and to a lesser extent Scott Parker and Leon Osman). At 23 years old, Cork still has many years of top flight football ahead of him, he did well for Team GB in the Olympics and I can see him getting involved. If he doesn't then I think the national side are missing out.

 

Clyne is very good, but it's a tough ask to force his way in ahead of Glenn Johnson and Kyle Walker. Johnson is still "only" 28 so has got at least 2 or 3 years left in his legs as an attacking full back, and with nearly 50 caps he's obviously an established figure. Kyle Walker is having a very good domestic season. So Clyne (and Saints in general) will probably have to do something very special.

 

Shaw, well the sky is the limit. But I hope England don't rush him. There's an under 21 tournament this summer which he'll probably get the nod for, hopefully that won't have a detrimental effect on his pre-season.

 

As for Lambert and Rodriguez; I can't see it for Rickie. He's better than welbeck and others that do get called up, but I don't think he'll ever get the nod. Plus Saints base a lot of our game around him, England wouldn't do that. As for JRod, perhaps too early to say but for me he's got a long way to go before he's talked about for selection for the national side.

 

Just like to point out Walker has had an inconsistant season. Thats the view of a few of my spurs supporting mates and I agree with it. He still looks quality on his day though and I'd have him in the squad. Either way don't be too surprised to at least see Clyne in contention. Any idea when the next friendlies are? Might be a good barometer of our lads chances.

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Just like to point out Walker has had an inconsistant season. Thats the view of a few of my spurs supporting mates and I agree with it. He still looks quality on his day though and I'd have him in the squad. Either way don't be too surprised to at least see Clyne in contention. Any idea when the next friendlies are? Might be a good barometer of our lads chances.

 

Fair enough; I've only really seen him in European games and other TV games but I've been very impressed. I knew he was quick, but didn't realise quite how rapid he is.

 

On TalkSport on my drive home today Adrian Durham (who was at St. Mary's on Saturday) made a point of saying how good Shaw and Clyne were, and that he wouldn't mind seeing them given a chance with England.

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This is just the sort of game where a man who spent most of his career in the lower leagues would know how to score goals....but NO!...Hodgson will continues with the " English-style "

 

Well you've either completely contradicted yourself there or you have a very different perception of the "English style" to everyone else.

 

I don't think hoofing the ball at the big lump would work even against San Marino.

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