Updated Net Spending after Jan

[rshephard3]

http://hereisthecity.com/2013/02/11/updated-premier-league-net-spend-table-201213/

 

Not sure if the above has been previously posted elsewhere but it is an updated net spending list for this season. It makes pretty woeful reading for QPR, unsurprisingly, but also for us and Villa. If any of those 3 go down after a top 6 net spend that's a pretty horrid performance.

 

Swansea, Everton and Spurs can be pretty chuffed, especially Swansea, the lowest net spend in the league this season after selling Graham, and in the process of having a hugely successful season including a cup. They are really turning into a bit of a blueprint for how to smash it in the top division IMO.

 

Apologies if posted before, just found it interesting.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

http://hereisthecity.com/2013/02/11/updated-premier-league-net-spend-table-201213/

 

Not sure if the above has been previously posted elsewhere but it is an updated net spending list for this season. It makes pretty woeful reading for QPR, unsurprisingly, but also for us and Villa. If any of those 3 go down after a top 6 net spend that's a pretty horrid performance.

 

Swansea, Everton and Spurs can be pretty chuffed, especially Swansea, the lowest net spend in the league this season after selling Graham, and in the process of having a hugely successful season including a cup. They are really turning into a bit of a blueprint for how to smash it in the top division IMO.

 

Apologies if posted before, just found it interesting.

 

Thanks for sharing this, interesting stuff.

 

I have a lot of time for Swansea, really like what they are doing down there.

 

What's happened there over the last decade is incredible, must have been a great journey for their fans.

[Saint_clark]

If we're being honest, even with the £30million spend we're still millions worth of transfers behind most of the Prem.

[sussexsaint]

If we're being honest, even with the £30million spend we're still millions worth of transfers behind most of the Prem.

 

 

exactly - surely most newly promoted teams have to spend big initially to be able to compete to stay up, can't see us spending that amount year in year out if we manage to stay up and build a solid team

[Bearsy]

I'd like to see net spend including wages, agent fees etc. That would be more useful to see who is getting most points for their pounds

[Saint_clark]

I'd like to see net spend including wages, agent fees etc. That would be more useful to see who is getting most points for their pounds

 

Weren't we lowest on agents fees when it was posted a while back? I'm sure we'd paid less than a million while Liverpool near the top had paid about £12million or something stupid.

EDIT; here it is.

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/2012-13/dec/premier-league-release-agents-fees-nov-2012.html

[Ken Tone]

I'd like to see net spend including wages, agent fees etc. That would be more useful to see who is getting most points for their pounds

 

This. Transfer fees are only half of the story nowadays -- in fact probably less than half.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Weren't we lowest on agents fees when it was posted a while back? I'm sure we'd paid less than a million while Liverpool near the top had paid about £12million or something stupid.

EDIT; here it is.

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/2012-13/dec/premier-league-release-agents-fees-nov-2012.html

 

Be interesting if they did a January window update for this.

 

Would be surprised if QPR's wasn't closer to £10m now. I wonder who Tal Ben-Haim's agent is, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a lady called Sandra, or a bank account in the name of Rosie...

[Turkish]

exactly - surely most newly promoted teams have to spend big initially to be able to compete to stay up, can't see us spending that amount year in year out if we manage to stay up and build a solid team

 

Norwich and Swansea didn't.

[Barry Sanchez]

If we're being honest, even with the £30million spend we're still millions worth of transfers behind most of the Prem.

 

The clappers wont see this and fail to recognise this fact, the other fact is we have spent on mediocre ****e and if we go down we have spent £30 million but lost £90 million, one hell of a gamble, he is a tactical genius that Cortese.

He is gambling our future by being a yet again conservative buyer, again the clappers dont see this fact.

[Barry Sanchez]

Norwich and Swansea didn't.

 

No, they had better teams than we did when they came up, we had a woefully short team/squad but the blind enthusiasm and faith masked this when we were promoted it still does in manay ways.

 

The cult of Cortese.

[Saint_clark]

Norwich and Swansea didn't.

 

At the risk of getting lynched, perhaps Lambert, Hughton, Rodgers and Laudrup are better managers than Adkins?

My point was referring more to how much it costs in total, rather than just the first season...i.e how much have they spent in the last two seasons. Chances are we'll spend a lot less this summer (if we stay up).

[KelvinsRightGlove]

No, they had better teams than we did when they came up, we had a woefully short team/squad but the blind enthusiasm and faith masked this when we were promoted it still does in manay ways.

 

The cult of Cortese.

 

I'm starting to think you are actually a bit obsessed with him. You can barely make a post without some reference to him.

 

Are you really just bitter about a restraining order he took against you?

[Alanh]

The clappers wont see this and fail to recognise this fact, the other fact is we have spent on mediocre ****e and if we go down we have spent £30 million but lost £90 million, one hell of a gamble, he is a tactical genius that Cortese.

He is gambling our future by being a yet again conservative buyer, again the clappers dont see this fact.

 

Are you saying that we should have spent even more money, or that we should have spent the same amount of different players? I don't really get what you are criticising Cortese / Saints for. We all know that every transfer is a gamble and that for each one that works out there are loads more that fail because the player doesn't deliver what was expected. It's a fact of life in football and happens to all clubs.

[tajjuk]

Shows how cr*p a job Pulis is doing at Stoke IMO. Their net spend over their 4 premiership years is over £100 million now, another bad result this weekend and they could drop to 14th.

 

Agree as well that wages play a massive factor.

 

We're only slightly behind QPR on net spend but their wage bill was £58 million for 11/12, it's likely to be as high as £80 million now if not more. Since promotion they will be closing in on £200 million on transfers and wages in 2 years.

[Barry Sanchez]

Are you saying that we should have spent even more money, or that we should have spent the same amount of different players? I don't really get what you are criticising Cortese / Saints for. We all know that every transfer is a gamble and that for each one that works out there are loads more that fail because the player doesn't deliver what was expected. It's a fact of life in football and happens to all clubs.

 

Yes I am saying we should of spent more and far far more wisely, why buy a supposed star player who can not last a full 90 mins and has been woeful for £12 Million and you need fighters for a first season?

Why sign a defender who is obviously not fit when you are going to be in a relegation struggle?

Why sign a winger and not play him?

 

Thats at least £16 Million wasted when it could of been spent more wisely.

[Barry Sanchez]

Shows how cr*p a job Pulis is doing at Stoke IMO. Their net spend over their 4 premiership years is over £100 million now, another bad result this weekend and they could drop to 14th.

 

Agree as well that wages play a massive factor.

 

We're only slightly behind QPR on net spend but their wage bill was £58 million for 11/12, it's likely to be as high as £80 million now if not more. Since promotion they will be closing in on £200 million on transfers and wages in 2 years.

 

But Stoke will get how much by staying in the Premiership this season?

[Alanh]

Yes I am saying we should of spent more and far far more wisely, why buy a supposed star player who can not last a full 90 mins and has been woeful for £12 Million and you need fighters for a first season?

Why sign a defender who is obviously not fit when you are going to be in a relegation struggle?

Why sign a winger and not play him?

 

Thats at least £16 Million wasted when it could of been spent more wisely.

 

Who should we have bought then, given that for you money is no object?

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Yes I am saying we should of spent more and far far more wisely, why buy a supposed star player who can not last a full 90 mins and has been woeful for £12 Million and you need fighters for a first season?

Why sign a defender who is obviously not fit when you are going to be in a relegation struggle?

Why sign a winger and not play him?

 

Thats at least £16 Million wasted when it could of been spent more wisely.

 

Do you not rate Ramirez?

 

That's interesting, I have never seen you mention that.

 

Thanks for the new info buddy

[Greenridge]

I'm sure that every other club other than SFC has a 100% success rate with their signings. It can only be us.

[Barry Sanchez]

I'm starting to think you are actually a bit obsessed with him. You can barely make a post without some reference to him.

 

Are you really just bitter about a restraining order he took against you?

 

No I am putting it out there yet again this club's future has been jeopardised by Cortese for him buying poorly and not enough in the right areas, if we go down its on him and his ego signings.

The clappers will only see this if we go down, too late then though like in 2005.

[Saint_clark]

But Stoke will get how much by staying in the Premiership this season?

 

If we spent that much over the next four seasons and finished outside the top 10, people on here would be livid.

[Barry Sanchez]

Do you not rate Ramirez?

 

That's interesting, I have never seen you mention that.

 

Thanks for the new info buddy

 

At least £12Million of a horizontal footballer, the baby Torres.

[tajjuk]

But Stoke will get how much by staying in the Premiership this season?

 

Is that the only objective for teams these days? They stayed in the premier league at first attempt rather easily and didn't spend a fortune to do it. £100 million and 4 years later they have gone backwards, are still playing sh*t football and don't exactly have a youthful team. Keep it up and they will be moving towards relegation next season.

 

The 'just stay up' objective catches up with teams, like Charlton for example. Their team pretty much got to 40 points each year and stopped playing.

[Barry Sanchez]

If we spent that much over the next four seasons and finished outside the top 10, people on here would be livid.

 

Yes we would but we would be talking about it from the safety of the Premiership, if Stoke can spend the money why cant we when we have Millions?

[Barry Sanchez]

Is that the only objective for teams these days? They stayed in the premier league at first attempt rather easily and didn't spend a fortune to do it. £100 million and 4 years later they have gone backwards, are still playing sh*t football and don't exactly have a youthful team. Keep it up and they will be moving towards relegation next season.

 

The 'just stay up' objective catches up with teams, like Charlton for example. Their team pretty much got to 40 points each year and stopped playing.

 

Sorry what are our objectives this season?

[KelvinsRightGlove]

I'm sure that every other club other than SFC has a 100% success rate with their signings. It can only be us.

 

We should take the example of both the clubs that spend A LOT more and A LOT less than us.

 

Next season I want us to spend lots and nothing at the same time.

 

Unless we sign players on bigger contracts than others, who contribute slightly more in a lot more games they are failed signings.

 

If they have not scored 5 hat-tricks in their first 5 minutes of their debut they are an unmitigated disaster, and subsequent performances, and no matter how said players perform are to have no bearing on opinions whatsoever.

[tajjuk]

No I am putting it out there yet again this club's future has been jeopardised by Cortese for him buying poorly and not enough in the right areas, if we go down its on him and his ego signings.

The clappers will only see this if we go down, too late then though like in 2005.

 

Yet again? Two sucessive promotions says otherwise.

 

Sorry what are our objectives this season?

 

Staying up, usually the prime objective of a newly promoted club.

 

One that has been in the premier league for 4 years should be aiming higher, one spending over £100 million should be doing better.

 

Do you actually ever have a point? Because you never seem to make one, no wonder your initials are BS.

Edited 14 March, 2013 by tajjuk

[KelvinsRightGlove]

No I am putting it out there yet again this club's future has been jeopardised by Cortese for him buying poorly and not enough in the right areas, if we go down its on him and his ego signings.

The clappers will only see this if we go down, too late then though like in 2005.

 

Oh, so all the signings last summer were bad?

 

These fresh insights into your psyche are most enlightening, keep them coming

[Saint_clark]

Yes we would but we would be talking about it from the safety of the Premiership, if Stoke can spend the money why cant we when we have Millions?

 

What are you on about? If we continue our current trend of spending over the next three seasons, we will have spent £128million, much more than them.

Edited 14 March, 2013 by Saint_clark

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Yet again? Two sucessive promotions says otherwise.

 

This is a myth.

 

We wern't actually promoted twice in two years.

 

The squad was awful, the manager clueless and the people in charge of the club don't know what they are doing, or how to sign players.

 

We also spent a measly £30m in the summer!!! That's it! I mean, 6 whole clubs in Europe spent more than that. Saints must be skint.

[Greenridge]

No I am putting it out there yet again this club's future has been jeopardised by Cortese for him buying poorly and not enough in the right areas, if we go down its on him and his ego signings.

The clappers will only see this if we go down, too late then though like in 2005.

 

I'm not sure who to blame this year as of yet but I agree it was certainly Cortese who got it badly wrong in 2005.

[Barry Sanchez]

Yet again? Two sucessive promotions says otherwise.

 

 

 

Staying up, usually the prime objective of a newly promoted club.

 

One that has been in the premier league for 4 years should be aiming higher, one spending over £100 million should be doing better.

 

Do you actually ever have a point? Because you never seem to make one, no wonder your initials are BS.

 

For us to actually acheive staying in this League £32 Million with a weaker newly promoted squad is chicken feed, £100 Million on updating a premiership squad again is not too much money, I think we need to grasp the fact being here and staying here is one thing and actaully advancing takes 100's og Millions, how much has it cost City?

 

How much will it cost to get a consistant European place?

 

This means we have to overtake Liverpool or Spurs or Everton or Chelsea or City or United or Arsenal?

 

How much have they spent and what wages do they pay?

[Barry Sanchez]

I'm not sure who to blame this year as of yet but I agree it was certainly Cortese who got it badly wrong in 2005.

 

I think I can agree with you on that but that was an example of how wrong it can go, learn from your history etc etc.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

I think I can agree with you on that but that was an example of how wrong it can go, learn from your history etc etc.

 

Thinking about it, we are in serious trouble.

 

Back then we were signing players the calibre of Neil McCann, and STILL GOT RELEGATED!!!

 

We are out of the relegation zone, despite a slump in form, this must mean we are doomed to relegation!!

 

SOUND THE ALARMS!!

[Barry Sanchez]

This is a myth.

 

We wern't actually promoted twice in two years.

 

The squad was awful, the manager clueless and the people in charge of the club don't know what they are doing, or how to sign players.

 

We also spent a measly £30m in the summer!!! That's it! I mean, 6 whole clubs in Europe spent more than that. Saints must be skint.

 

 

 

Why is the fact we were 6th highest in Europe mean anything? All that means is nobody else spent as they did not need to, £30 Million again is chicken feed.

[Barry Sanchez]

Thinking about it, we are in serious trouble.

 

Back then we were signing players the calibre of Neil McCann, and STILL GOT RELEGATED!!!

 

We are out of the relegation zone, despite a slump in form, this must mean we are doomed to relegation!!

 

SOUND THE ALARMS!!

 

No we signed a player for £12 Million and relegation (Christ I hope I am wrong) still looks a distinct possibilty, then you can sound the alarms.

McCann cost us £1.5 Million.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Why is the fact we were 6th highest in Europe mean anything? All that means is nobody else spent as they did not need to, £30 Million again is chicken feed.

 

We should follow the QPR model.

 

To hell if it all goes wrong, nearly £200m on 30odd transfers in two seasons and still sit in the relegation places.

 

But at least they spent money and gave it a go.

[tajjuk]

For us to actually acheive staying in this League £32 Million with a weaker newly promoted squad is chicken feed, £100 Million on updating a premiership squad again is not too much money, I think we need to grasp the fact being here and staying here is one thing and actaully advancing takes 100's og Millions, how much has it cost City?

 

How much will it cost to get a consistant European place?

 

This means we have to overtake Liverpool or Spurs or Everton or Chelsea or City or United or Arsenal?

 

How much have they spent and what wages do they pay?

 

Did you look at the table in the OP?

 

Spurs 16th, Everton 17th, West Brom 15th, Swansea 20th. They are all doing signifigantly better than Stoke, spending a lot less Swansea have been in the league elss time than Stoke as well.

 

Everton's wage is about £55 million IIRC, Spurs spend about £70 million on wages IIRC, they have steadily been building for years and are competing with money bags Chelsea who have a net spend of £80 million this year and probably twice the wage bill.

 

Everton are competing for a Champions league place and they don't have the finances to match us. No one said we are going to challenge for the title like City but you can challenge for the top 6 or 7 without spending £100 million every season.

[Greenridge]

We should follow the QPR model.

 

To hell if it all goes wrong, nearly £200m on 30odd transfers in two seasons and still sit in the relegation places.

 

But at least they spent money and gave it a go.

 

That's not a good example it just leads to confusion. Only this week did Barry tell me if QPR are relegated they are definitely in massive trouble but also they will definitely be OK as Fernandes and Mittal will use their own personal wealth to dig them out of the financial mire. So it's definitely definite.

[Barry Sanchez]

We should follow the QPR model.

 

To hell if it all goes wrong, nearly £200m on 30odd transfers in two seasons and still sit in the relegation places.

 

But at least they spent money and gave it a go.

 

No you are deflecting, lets keep on track, how much do you think its going to cost us to get ahead of either

Arsenal

United

City

Spurs

Everton

Chelsea

Liverpool

They dont spend money do they?

£30 Million is chicken feed to them bar Everton but they have the pull of a bigger club and high wages, so how will we achieve this? We usually sell our players at the first opportunity (lets see about Shaw) so how will we improve?

And even before all of that we have to stay up with this poor buy squad.

[Barry Sanchez]

That's not a good example it just leads to confusion. Only this week did Barry tell me if QPR are relegated they are definitely in massive trouble but also they will definitely be OK as Fernandes and Mittal will use their own personal wealth to dig them out of the financial mire. So it's definitely definite.

 

Err no I did not I said they would be screwed if they did not have Fernandes, similar to Chelsea I believe but there we go.

Their debts will get written off until he goes, many Saints fans forget this as it does not fit in with their plan of thinking.

[Saint_clark]

No you are deflecting, lets keep on track, how much do you think its going to cost us to get ahead of either

Arsenal

United

City

Spurs

Everton

Chelsea

Liverpool

They dont spend money do they?

£30 Million is chicken feed to them bar Everton but they have the pull of a bigger club and high wages, so how will we achieve this? We usually sell our players at the first opportunity (lets see about Shaw) so how will we improve?

And even before all of that we have to stay up with this poor buy squad.

 

Let's worry about establishing ourselves before we worry about outspending them.

[Barry Sanchez]

Did you look at the table in the OP?

 

Spurs 16th, Everton 17th, West Brom 15th, Swansea 20th. They are all doing signifigantly better than Stoke, spending a lot less Swansea have been in the league elss time than Stoke as well.

 

Everton's wage is about £55 million IIRC, Spurs spend about £70 million on wages IIRC, they have steadily been building for years and are competing with money bags Chelsea who have a net spend of £80 million this year and probably twice the wage bill.

 

Everton are competing for a Champions league place and they don't have the finances to match us. No one said we are going to challenge for the title like City but you can challenge for the top 6 or 7 without spending £100 million every season.

 

Really? The only club then we are going for is Everton then as all of the others spend 100's of millions on transfers and wages, the proof is in the pudding and by that I mean by signings, not £3 Million on a winger we dont play, that hardly sends out a statement to other clubs we mean business does it?

How is Liverpool's new winger getting on?

[Crowds]

http://hereisthecity.com/2013/02/11/updated-premier-league-net-spend-table-201213/

 

Not sure if the above has been previously posted elsewhere but it is an updated net spending list for this season. It makes pretty woeful reading for QPR, unsurprisingly, but also for us and Villa. If any of those 3 go down after a top 6 net spend that's a pretty horrid performance.

 

Swansea, Everton and Spurs can be pretty chuffed, especially Swansea, the lowest net spend in the league this season after selling Graham, and in the process of having a hugely successful season including a cup. They are really turning into a bit of a blueprint for how to smash it in the top division IMO.

 

Apologies if posted before, just found it interesting.

 

Your take us alittle misleading. We had to spend in the summer to compete so our outlay the first season in the prem is always going to be high. especially withour long term objectives I'd not ready much into it...

 

If we went Down lallana, sniederlin, gaston should net aleast 25m

[Barry Sanchez]

Let's worry about establishing ourselves before we worry about outspending them.

 

Really we will be waiting a long time, it aint going to happen as we wont pay the wages.

[Greenridge]

Err no I did not I said they would be screwed if they did not have Fernandes, similar to Chelsea I believe but there we go.

Their debts will get written off until he goes, many Saints fans forget this as it does not fit in with their plan of thinking.

 

You're not having a great day / week Baz. Here you go........

 

If they get relegated they are screwed no one is arguing that at all, but at least they had the balls to try it,.....

[Barry Sanchez]

You're not having a great day / week Baz. Here you go........

 

Yes and what did I put a little bit down below?

 

Selective picking there I believe, you can go and find that as well.

[Saint_clark]

Really we will be waiting a long time, it aint going to happen as we wont pay the wages.

 

I agree, but I think it'll be down to us not wanting to pay agents fees rather than wages. However I'm quite happy with seeing how players like Clyne, Shaw, Rodrigeuz, Ramirez, Mayuka will develop with us.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

That's not a good example it just leads to confusion. Only this week did Barry tell me if QPR are relegated they are definitely in massive trouble but also they will definitely be OK as Fernandes and Mittal will use their own personal wealth to dig them out of the financial mire. So it's definitely definite.

 

If only we could be more like them. Sigh.

 

Oh, and also more like Swansea too. FFS, why can't Cortese sort it out, and spend lots and little simultaneously to appease those of us on the internets that know nothing about running football clubs.

 

We are an untapped source of knowledge, a TSW representative should be Nicky's right-hand man and advise him on all things.

 

I mean, look at how Cortese decided to sign Gaston and Mayuka all on his own. With no input from any of the people he hires to spot players with talent. He decided he liked their names and did it. These people who have spent their entire career in football, and whose opinions are well respected in the football world, getting good jobs at the FA etc. What do they know?

 

Nominations below please. I think Barry should be a front runner, though I wonder about his ability to patch up his differences with lil nicky. Hmmmmm, who else?

 

Alps is ruled out due to geography, big loss to the club there.

 

Turkish has his hands pretty full already, where would he find the time between writing etiquette for those attending games AND fulfilling his Gok Wan routine, informing us all what to wear to football. I dream of the day when his mission is complete and St. Marys is a sea of Stone Island. Maybe he can sort out Nicola with a stone island jacket, with all this support from SFC fans, maybe they will even become the kit manufacturers?

 

Hmmm, I'm going to need some more time to mull this over.