Weston Super Saint Posted 28 November, 2008 Share Posted 28 November, 2008 Having been broken into again last night - sleeping on Friday mornings seems to be a thing of the past for me - I want to get some sort of CCTV to try and catch the little toe rags who are doing this. Now, the company I work for would rather not pay as they haven't really lost any money yet, so my solution needs to be cheap like the budgie. I am looking for some sort of camera that can be bolted down, is either mains fed, or has it's own power supply, but crucially, MUST record onto it's own memory / memory card which can then but copied onto a computer - where I want to put it will not be accessible for cables etc, and we have no monitor or video to record on to... If anyone knows of such a product that will be reasonably cheap, let me know.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baj Posted 28 November, 2008 Share Posted 28 November, 2008 Installing CCTV isnt going to stop them, why dont you spend the money on security measures that stop them getting in in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 November, 2008 Author Share Posted 28 November, 2008 Installing CCTV isnt going to stop them, why dont you spend the money on security measures that stop them getting in in the first place. They come in through the windows each time - I have now screwed 3 windows shut, but this does not deter them, they just move to the next window in the line. We already have a comprehensive burglar alarm that is linked to a monitoring station, and the minute the break in is 'confirmed' - more than one sensor is tripped - the alarm monitoring station ring the police and they attend - there has been a number of exactly the same crimes in the area and the police are as ****ed off as the rest of us!!! Unfortunately these guys know what they are doing and are in and out within about 30 seconds or so, taking the notes from the fruit machine with them. Given that the alarm beeps for 30 seconds - to allow legitimate users time to get in and turn it off before it is activated properly - they are gone before I even know they are there. Also factor in it takes another 30 seconds or so at 4 in the morning to recognise the noise is the alarm and then get out of bed and look out the window to a now empty car park, and you can imagine all we have to go on is a couple of partial Stan Smith trainer prints!!! If the CCTV doesn't put them off, then at the very least a camera that is well hidden might actually catch a picture of who the burglar is - not to mention one could be set up to monitor the car park and maybe catch a reg number or car description.... So, there really are no more measures that can realistically be taken to stop them entering - let's face it a determined burglar will overcome most obstacles - so we're left with trying to identify them once they are here!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 28 November, 2008 Share Posted 28 November, 2008 Surely anyone breaking into somewhere where they know there is CCTV (and I think if you put up cameras you have to put notices up saying so) would just wear a balaclava, so the whole thing would be totally pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 28 November, 2008 Share Posted 28 November, 2008 Bear trap should do the trick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 28 November, 2008 Share Posted 28 November, 2008 Not sure about CCTV, but you could get one or two of these..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 November, 2008 Author Share Posted 28 November, 2008 Not sure about CCTV, but you could get one or two of these..... Only 2 reasons why not : 1. I would never be able to turn the alarms on thus invalidating the insurance, either that or lock the dogs in an area where they would be no use anyway. 2. Not sure the EHO would be happy to have dogs roaming in a food area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 November, 2008 Author Share Posted 28 November, 2008 Surely anyone breaking into somewhere where they know there is CCTV (and I think if you put up cameras you have to put notices up saying so) would just wear a balaclava, so the whole thing would be totally pointless. Depends where you put the signs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bognor Posted 28 November, 2008 Share Posted 28 November, 2008 (edited) Only 2 reasons why not : 2. Not sure the EHO would be happy to have dogs roaming in a food area. Not sure the EHO would get too close to find out Seriously, you could try dummy CCTV cameras (with the LEDs which look like they are swtiched on). If this doesn't scare them off, no other system will. Having installed a 4 camera system in my home, after problems with a stalker, I have looked into this in depth. From memory, there are levels of identification and in order to get evidence that is submissible in court, you need to be able to identify individuals. Many crap cameras just confirm that someone has broken in (which you know already) so you need a system that can identify the person. I started off with a system from these guys. http://www.sctltd.co.uk/index.html A wireless camera network communicates with a DV recorder (which you can link to your TV or PC Monitor). Its not bad and starts at about £300 Edited 28 November, 2008 by Johnny Bognor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 28 November, 2008 Share Posted 28 November, 2008 Sleep in the bar with a baseball bat for a couple of weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 November, 2008 Author Share Posted 28 November, 2008 Sleep in the bar with a baseball bat for a couple of weeks. Unfortunately burglars have more rights than I do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 28 November, 2008 Share Posted 28 November, 2008 I think a 'Home Alone' style set of boobie traps would be your best bet. Try chucking paint tins at them from the top of the stairs, or emptying a tool kit on them from the porch roof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 November, 2008 Author Share Posted 28 November, 2008 I think a 'Home Alone' style set of boobie traps would be your best bet. Try chucking paint tins at them from the top of the stairs, or emptying a tool kit on them from the porch roof. If I could get to see them, I'd just take a picture of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 28 November, 2008 Share Posted 28 November, 2008 If I could get to see them, I'd just take a picture of them Then you'd get back to the fact that they in all likelyhood wear a balaclava or something to protect their identity. Even if you got a perfect shot of their mug, you'd still then have to catch them, and by the sounds of it they're out of there and have spent the cash before you've got your slippers on. Have you considered a very large Venus' fly trap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 28 November, 2008 Share Posted 28 November, 2008 http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/home-security-and-burglar-alarms/get-black-and-white-cctv-single-camera-system.asp http://www.sourcesecurity.com/products-search-results/cameras.html?attr1=1192&attr5=&attr15=&attr14=&attr9=&attr37=&make_id= Axis are very good, got some IP cameras from them a while ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 28 November, 2008 Share Posted 28 November, 2008 So, the problem is the fruit machine. Question, 1) How much are you making from it? 2) Is it enough to offset the cost of each break in? If the answer to 2 is 'no,' get rid of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 November, 2008 Author Share Posted 28 November, 2008 So, the problem is the fruit machine. Question, 1) How much are you making from it? 2) Is it enough to offset the cost of each break in? If the answer to 2 is 'no,' get rid of it. 1) Truck loads 2) Yes, since it hasn't cost anything yet, but that's not the point, the point is I'd like to catch them. I'd also like 10 minutes in a locked room with them but I doubt I'd be allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 28 November, 2008 Share Posted 28 November, 2008 Empty the fruit machine on a nightly basis,put in place the signage that states no cash is left on the premises,if they come back and there is no cash available this might deter them. Ok they will get in but they may realise it's not worth the time and trouble. For the time it takes to empty and count the fund in the machine and put it into the safe it could save you lots of grief possibly. At the hotel i worked at, this strategy worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 28 November, 2008 Share Posted 28 November, 2008 Empty the fruit machine on a nightly basis,put in place the signage that states no cash is left on the premises,if they come back and there is no cash available this might deter them. Ok they will get in but they may realise it's not worth the time and trouble. For the time it takes to empty and count the fund in the machine and put it into the safe it could save you lots of grief possibly. At the hotel i worked at, this strategy worked. Probably the most cost-effective solution, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 28 November, 2008 Share Posted 28 November, 2008 (edited) 1) Truck loads 2) Yes, since it hasn't cost anything yet, but that's not the point, the point is I'd like to catch them. I'd also like 10 minutes in a locked room with them but I doubt I'd be allowed. If as stated you make truck loads surely it is prudent not to leave it over night,i know it can build up over time so nightly it may not amount to much,but it has to be emptied at some point so that the leasing company get their cut,i presume it's leased and maintained by an outside source. The machines we had were almost impenetrable,i presume you have are fairly recent models,if not get the leasing company to make sure that they are and have the appropriate security measures. Edited 28 November, 2008 by saint lard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al de Man Posted 28 November, 2008 Share Posted 28 November, 2008 Unfortunately burglars have more rights than I do Only if the police find the bodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 28 November, 2008 Author Share Posted 28 November, 2008 If as stated you make truck loads surely it is prudent not to leave it over night,i know it can build up over time so nightly it may not amount to much,but it has to be emptied at some point so that the leasing company get their cut,i presume it's leased and maintained by an outside source. The machines we had were almost impenetrable,i presume you have are fairly recent models,if not get the leasing company to make sure that they are and have the appropriate security measures. The machines are not ours and we have no keys to empty them. The company responsible for them empty them weekly - I have arranged for the day of emptying to be changed - but it would be good to see they're faces when they break in and get nothing!! I have also requested the security on the machines be 'beefed up', but to be fair, I requested that last week after we got broken into then! You can probably imagine I wasn't the most polite person phoning them this morning having lost my precious beauty sleep only to find out they haven't even bothered to log my extra security request!! The machine 'doors' are made from chipboard and are designed to fall apart when forced open. I have one concern that making them impenetrable might make the thieves want to take something else, or worse still come up stairs to see me! Good job my new found hobby of American Baseball requires me to keep a metal bat by the door :shock: On the other hand they might just think we're not such an easy target and leave us alone - it appears they are only after the cash anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack rill Posted 28 November, 2008 Share Posted 28 November, 2008 Unfortunately burglars have more rights than I do True But how many arse holes are going to run round to old bill squealing (some moosh caved my roof in while i was trying to blag his gaff.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 28 November, 2008 Share Posted 28 November, 2008 True But how many arse holes are going to run round to old bill squealing (some moosh caved my roof in while i was trying to blag his gaff.) You do hear about it! There have been some cases in the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 28 November, 2008 Share Posted 28 November, 2008 The machines are not ours and we have no keys to empty them. The company responsible for them empty them weekly - I have arranged for the day of emptying to be changed - but it would be good to see they're faces when they break in and get nothing!! I have also requested the security on the machines be 'beefed up', but to be fair, I requested that last week after we got broken into then! You can probably imagine I wasn't the most polite person phoning them this morning having lost my precious beauty sleep only to find out they haven't even bothered to log my extra security request!! The machine 'doors' are made from chipboard and are designed to fall apart when forced open. I have one concern that making them impenetrable might make the thieves want to take something else, or worse still come up stairs to see me! Good job my new found hobby of American Baseball requires me to keep a metal bat by the door :shock: On the other hand they might just think we're not such an easy target and leave us alone - it appears they are only after the cash anyway. We were quite lucky then,we had keys to the machines and pool table,we emptied them,banked the money,after changing it into note form,this was handy as it gave us change,the company would than come and check we had no problems and upgrade the machines if we desired and we just paid them a fixed fee. The internal doors inside(x2,one for notes and one for change) both were a form of chip board and required 2 keys,but the exterior were a pretty sturdy piece of kit. I hope you find a solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 28 November, 2008 Share Posted 28 November, 2008 You do hear about it! There have been some cases in the media. But this is the media. They will blow everything out of proportion to make a good story about how all hard working, law abiding citizens are victims of thieves, rapists, immigrants and terrorists. Unless you f**k the burgular's up big time, they are unlikely to go running to the Police, hence I personally would get a couple of Dobermans. If that's not practical, tougher windows I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exit2 Posted 28 November, 2008 Share Posted 28 November, 2008 http://www.icode.co.uk/icatcher/cctvshop/redirect.php/action/banner/goto/i-catcher-console-with-4-axis-206-ip-network-cameras-p-187.html Icatcher is a quilty product we use to cover one of our offices. 4 IP cameras powered over ethernet, all linked to a pc which records all the movement. Also in the software you can create a "evidence cd" Very simple to install. You can also get to email / ftp to an external source so if the kit gets nicked your still have the pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 29 November, 2008 Share Posted 29 November, 2008 WSS, reading how the owners of said machines do not appear too concerned about them being vulnerable, has it occured to you, that this could be an inside job? Has this not happened at least once before? Re cameras. How about one of those live online set ups? Perhaps linked to the SaintsWeb site, then it would be constantly monitored and one of us could give you a ring if we see anything a bit sus. Just a thought. We would of course need your number too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 29 November, 2008 Share Posted 29 November, 2008 Fit security lights and a dummy camera that glows infrared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheels Posted 29 November, 2008 Share Posted 29 November, 2008 Wire the fruit machines up to the mains and then hope the theiving ****s come back! :cool: (don't forget to turn the power off before you touch it):p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 29 November, 2008 Author Share Posted 29 November, 2008 One step ahead of you there http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=5721 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 29 November, 2008 Share Posted 29 November, 2008 Hire an immigrant worker to patrol the pub on a night shift. Can't cost much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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