Special K Posted 14 March, 2013 Share Posted 14 March, 2013 YEAH!!! thats the spirit, lets hope Adkins completely cleans us out, HELL it might even affect our chances of a few decent signings in the summer. MORON. Don't be so precious, you fool. It's not about cleaning us out, but don't let that impede your undoubted preference for hyperbole. And I'm sure the vast wealth and backing that SFC have, as we are all being told the club has, will barely notice the peanuts that will be paid to Adkins. It's not just about a job. It's about decency and respect. NA was treated with none, but if you cannot see that and then chose to call me a moron, well i guess that spaks volumes for you and your abiity to grasp even simple moral concepts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 14 March, 2013 Share Posted 14 March, 2013 From the info that's been released it seems the dispute isn't that we're refusing to pay him what he's due, but rather we've kept him as a member of staff on gardening leave and are paying him his monthly salary rather than just cancelling his contract and paying it all in one go. If this is the case I can't see why a tribunal would rule we HAVE to cancel his contract. The only reason I can see this has come about is because a club has approached Adkins about a job, but don't want to have to pay compensation to Saints. Although it could just be the LMA has advised him to do this (as they and the PFA seem to encourage their members to take legal action over anything and everything). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 14 March, 2013 Share Posted 14 March, 2013 From the info that's been released it seems the dispute isn't that we're refusing to pay him what he's due, but rather we've kept him as a member of staff on gardening leave and are paying him his monthly salary rather than just cancelling his contract and paying it all in one go. If this is the case I can't see why a tribunal would rule we HAVE to cancel his contract. The only reason I can see this has come about is because a club has approached Adkins about a job, but don't want to have to pay compensation to Saints. Although it could just be the LMA has advised him to do this (as they and the PFA seem to encourage their members to take legal action over anything and everything). Nah, way off the mark, far too sensible for this thread. Not even a personal insult. Terrible post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 14 March, 2013 Share Posted 14 March, 2013 Wild saint has a different opinion than Alpine Saint. So Alpine calls him a moron. Hmmm. Says it all about Alpine doesn't it. This can't be true. Alpine is a poster that never is horrible or abusive to anyone, it's poor little him that takes all the abuse from every one. He is also massively in denial about Adkins, he was one of the merrymen banging the drum for his departure, calling him 'clueless' on more than one occasion. The ever consistent posters on here seem to have all forgotten how they wanted Adkins replaced, seem to be pining for him now they got what they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 14 March, 2013 Share Posted 14 March, 2013 From the info that's been released it seems the dispute isn't that we're refusing to pay him what he's due, but rather we've kept him as a member of staff on gardening leave and are paying him his monthly salary rather than just cancelling his contract and paying it all in one go. If this is the case I can't see why a tribunal would rule we HAVE to cancel his contract. The only reason I can see this has come about is because a club has approached Adkins about a job, but don't want to have to pay compensation to Saints. Although it could just be the LMA has advised him to do this (as they and the PFA seem to encourage their members to take legal action over anything and everything). Your missing the point. The club have broken their obligationsin the contract by removing him from the job he was employed to do but are refusing to release him to work elswhere unelss he agrees to give up his entitlement to get paid under the contract. Its sh itt y behaviour, no ifs and buts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 14 March, 2013 Share Posted 14 March, 2013 Your missing the point. The club have broken their obligationsin the contract by removing him from the job he was employed to do but are refusing to release him to work elswhere unelss he agrees to give up his entitlement to get paid under the contract. Its sh itt y behaviour, no ifs and buts. As much as it is a sh*tty move putting him on gardening leave, we have no reason to suspect they're refusing to let him work elsewhere. The club just want compensation for him seeing as they have to pay him what he's owed either way. I agree the decent thing to do would be to just pay up now and let him go, the point I was making is that I can't see how we have broken any contractual agreements/employment laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 14 March, 2013 Share Posted 14 March, 2013 As much as it is a sh*tty move putting him on gardening leave, we have no reason to suspect they're refusing to let him work elsewhere. The club just want compensation for him seeing as they have to pay him what he's owed either way. I agree the decent thing to do would be to just pay up now and let him go, the point I was making is that I can't see how we have broken any contractual agreements/employment laws. As I said in an earlier post 'Until we see the details of the Contract' we can't make a true evaluation/decision. But let me assure you St.C 'Frustration of Contract' works both ways in Employment Law. No apologies for being pedantic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 14 March, 2013 Share Posted 14 March, 2013 Your missing the point. The club have broken their obligationsin the contract by removing him from the job he was employed to do but are refusing to release him to work elswhere unelss he agrees to give up his entitlement to get paid under the contract. Its sh itt y behaviour, no ifs and buts. As has just been said, we can't see the contract. We might be under no obligation to provide work for him to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 14 March, 2013 Share Posted 14 March, 2013 Cortese is a horrible man with no integrity or sense of honour who has seriously damaged SFC's reputation - that was the view of my taxi driver in London today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 14 March, 2013 Share Posted 14 March, 2013 Cortese is a horrible man with no integrity or sense of honour who has seriously damaged SFC's reputation - that was the view of my taxi driver in London today! Interesting...I'd say that being back in the Prem has done wonders for our reputation. We've been praised by a lot of people this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 14 March, 2013 Share Posted 14 March, 2013 Your missing the point. The club have broken their obligationsin the contract by removing him from the job he was employed to do but are refusing to release him to work elswhere unelss he agrees to give up his entitlement to get paid under the contract. Its sh itt y behaviour, no ifs and buts. Again, more assumptions. None of us know what is in dispute and why, and what the contract terms are. The club could be taking an unreasonable stance, as could NA. It staggers me that so many on this site are prepared to side against the club (and NC) in many situations without any knowledge of the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 14 March, 2013 Share Posted 14 March, 2013 Interesting...I'd say that being back in the Prem has done wonders for our reputation. We've been praised by a lot of people this season. depends where you are and the circles you mix in I suppose , Arsenal fan I work with in Surrey wanted QPR to go down due to crazy transfer / wage policy and Harry , but also says it'll serve saints right to go down after the way we treated Adkins . these people aren't local or have any grudge about saints, they just don't really respect us and laugh at the misguided arrogance of our chairman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 14 March, 2013 Share Posted 14 March, 2013 Again, more assumptions. None of us know what is in dispute and why, and what the contract terms are. The club could be taking an unreasonable stance, as could NA. It staggers me that so many on this site are prepared to side against the club (and NC) in many situations without any knowledge of the facts. we gave him a contract to be manager of Southampton football club for a set period of time , the club took the decision to terminate that contract early by removing him from his position. Adkins contract should be paid up and he should be publicly thanked for his contribution to our rise up the league's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 14 March, 2013 Share Posted 14 March, 2013 we gave him a contract to be manager of Southampton football club for a set period of time , the club took the decision to terminate that contract early by removing him from his position. Adkins contract should be paid up bad he should be publicly thanked for his contribution to our rise up the league's. How do you know that we haven't agreed to pay what we are contractually obliged to pay? Assumptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 March, 2013 Share Posted 15 March, 2013 Cortese is a horrible man with no integrity or sense of honour who has seriously damaged SFC's reputation - that was the view of my taxi driver in London today!Taxi drivers in London have no idea about much at all, in fact im surprised they know of NC. i suspect the majority of football fans don't know of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 15 March, 2013 Share Posted 15 March, 2013 Taxi drivers in London have no idea about much at all, in fact im surprised they know of NC. i suspect the majority of football fans don't know of him. Anyone who doesn't know who Cortese is clearly doesn't follow football very much. The exposure he got after the Adkins sacking was massive for a chairman of a lower PL team. My mates from Scotland all knew about him and were asking me about it, it's very naive to believe he is still under the footballing radar now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 March, 2013 Share Posted 15 March, 2013 depends where you are and the circles you mix in I suppose , Arsenal fan I work with in Surrey wanted QPR to go down due to crazy transfer / wage policy and Harry , but also says it'll serve saints right to go down after the way we treated Adkins . these people aren't local or have any grudge about saints, they just don't really respect us and laugh at the misguided arrogance of our chairman. To be honest I think that's changed already after our first few performances under Pochettino. The pundits on MOTD were all livid that Adkins was sacked, but creaming themselves about the way we played against United, City and Wigan. Besides, if we stay up then no-one can say that Cortese has made the wrong decision as we'll never know what could have happened under Adkins. All we'll know is what happened under Pochettino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 March, 2013 Share Posted 15 March, 2013 Don't be so precious, you fool. It's not about cleaning us out, but don't let that impede your undoubted preference for hyperbole. And I'm sure the vast wealth and backing that SFC have, as we are all being told the club has, will barely notice the peanuts that will be paid to Adkins. It's not just about a job. It's about decency and respect. NA was treated with none, but if you cannot see that and then chose to call me a moron, well i guess that spaks volumes for you and your abiity to grasp even simple moral concepts.i dont know if NA was treated with decency and respect as i was not there when he was removed from the job. I would have more time for fans complaints if they were consistant on this. NA has come away from his appointment with a fantastic reputation and the chance for getting another plum job.If NC had not given him the chance he may have failed elsewhere where the expenditure may have been less. Pay him what he is due but not more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 March, 2013 Share Posted 15 March, 2013 Anyone who doesn't know who Cortese is clearly doesn't follow football very much. The exposure he got after the Adkins sacking was massive for a chairman of a lower PL team. My mates from Scotland all knew about him and were asking me about it, it's very naive to believe he is still under the footballing radar now. Your mates may well be more aware due to your support of us and so they are more likely to know. NC is no doubt more high profile now, but we are not on most clubs radar.....yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 15 March, 2013 Share Posted 15 March, 2013 Your mates may well be more aware due to your support of us and so they are more likely to know. NC is no doubt more high profile now, but we are not on most clubs radar.....yet It's not about being on most clubs radar, it's the profile the chairman receives in the media. Football is a massive industry and lots of column inches and TV space are consistently given over to owners and chairmen. I imagine most posters on this board could pick out at least 50% of premier league chairmen either by name or face, and Cortese comes to that fresh from a week or two of extreme media scrutiny. I dimply don't believe that most football followers wouldn't have heard of him, or most PL chairmen/owners for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailOB Posted 15 March, 2013 Share Posted 15 March, 2013 i dont know if NA was treated with decency and respect as i was not there when he was removed from the job. I would have more time for fans complaints if they were consistant on this. NA has come away from his appointment with a fantastic reputation and the chance for getting another plum job.If NC had not given him the chance he may have failed elsewhere where the expenditure may have been less. Pay him what he is due but not more. Personally I think NC has also got a lot to thank NA for as well. The plan was supposed to be 5 years, don't think anyone expected back to back promotions. IF Cortese has done no wrong, why the over zealous stewards removing all posters/banners from fans wishing to show their thanks and respect towards Adkins. Why no mention of Adkins in the match day programme after his dismissal. Once Cortese makes a decision he seems to want to eliminate all history of the outgoing person. Also, why was Adkins dismissed ? Personally i didn't think he was doing a bad job, yes he was still learning about life in the Prem and, as long as we seemed on course to stay up, I was happy to accept that. NC has now made the change and where's the improvement ? I think everything we have seen and experienced with regards to Cortese makes me 'believe' that he is being a cock about the whole Adkins thing. 'IMO' Adkins deserved better and I find it very hard to 'believe' that he was treated with dignity and respect. I think 'most' fans have been pretty consistent with this view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exit2 Posted 15 March, 2013 Share Posted 15 March, 2013 Surprised it is going to a tribuinal as I would have thought a compromise agreement would have been written up? But saying that it depends on what they offered him. Saints will pay for this whether they like it or not. I hope he get whats he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint 76er Posted 15 March, 2013 Share Posted 15 March, 2013 In terms of what is best for Saints, it may well be that Cortese is playing a blinder with this. Don't really care if NA gets paid out and chuffs off to the Championship, but since the Reading vacancy has now occurred it is very much in our interest to keep Adkins in his garden until Reading is sorted. He is a good motivator and could well keep them up, but we have to play them yet and he knows all our players strengths and weaknesses and would be well fired up for a game we will probably have to win. Don't know if he is actually in the frame for them, but hopefully NC will be able to string this tribunal along for a while yet ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 15 March, 2013 Share Posted 15 March, 2013 In terms of what is best for Saints, it may well be that Cortese is playing a blinder with this. Don't really care if NA gets paid out and chuffs off to the Championship, but since the Reading vacancy has now occurred it is very much in our interest to keep Adkins in his garden until Reading is sorted. He is a good motivator and could well keep them up, but we have to play them yet and he knows all our players strengths and weaknesses and would be well fired up for a game we will probably have to win. Don't know if he is actually in the frame for them, but hopefully NC will be able to string this tribunal along for a while yet ... my thoughts, too ...100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 15 March, 2013 Share Posted 15 March, 2013 he knows all our players strengths and weaknesses Didn't seem like it when he was selecting the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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