tajjuk Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Loads of managers go to this tribunal. This isn't really news, I'm sure a load of people with anti-cortese agendas will use this as a stick to beat him with but it's a fairly common situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 I really hope he doesn't end up at Reading Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Loads of managers go to this tribunal. This isn't really news, I'm sure a load of people with anti-cortese agendas will use this as a stick to beat him with but it's a fairly common situation. Completely. Although I really hope Adkins gets compensated justly and fairly. This isn't some random failed employee, he was successful beyond all wildest expectation. I also echo pingwing's sentiments. Would hate for him to go to Reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Doubt if he could take any other job while he has his compensation claim in the Tribunal as it would undermine his case. But what another appalling decision, Reading sacking McDermott. If Poyet wants to keep his job at Brighton, best thing he can do is avoid going up......Oh!......think he's working on that already. Thought. If Saints are relegated, will Cortese sack himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Loads of managers go to this tribunal. This isn't really news, I'm sure a load of people with anti-cortese agendas will use this as a stick to beat him with but it's a fairly common situation. Oh dear its all about cortese are you his agent but I expect he's perfect in your eyes and no ones aloud to say anything about his short comings even if he's done some things right. Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Hope he takes us to the cleaners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Oh dear its all about cortese are you his agent but I expect he's perfect in your eyes and no ones aloud to say anything about his short comings even if he's done some things right. Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2 Is English your second language? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 I want him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Oh dear its all about cortese are you his agent but I expect he's perfect in your eyes and no ones aloud to say anything about his short comings even if he's done some things right. Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2 I think Cortese is far from perfect, but I also think it's funny that people have picked up on this an instantly assumed it's another example of the evil that is Cortese, when in fact its fairly standard for these tribunals to happen. For all we know it's Nigel Adkin's demands that have caused this, we don't know the facts, but then those don't get in the way of some on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 I just think it would have reflected extremely well on the club if, just for once, they acted properly and paid Adkins up in full. We are not talking about some chancer like Redknapp here, we are talking about a man who led the club to back to back promotions and for me that deserves A) the recognition Cortese refuses to give him and B) his contract paid up in full with no animosity. For all the good NC has done it is such a shame the club act and look like a bunch of assholes when it could so easily be avoided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 I think Cortese is far from perfect, but I also think it's funny that people have picked up on this an instantly assumed it's another example of the evil that is Cortese, when in fact its fairly standard for these tribunals to happen. For all we know it's Nigel Adkin's demands that have caused this, we don't know the facts, but then those don't get in the way of some on here. Ok ok I understand all that but Cortese is still a megalomaniac bellend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 And which one do you think is most likely : NA taking the p*ss, or NC ? I know which one I think...NC already has history. IMO, if there is a contract, there shouldnt be anything to take to a tribunal. But thats where they are heading... Naivity. Anyone who thinks contracts are as black and white as that is living in cloud cuckoo land. NA will get what he deserves, but there is clearly a grey area or areas in the contract which makes a significant difference to what NA is entitled to. That needs to be resolved. If you want to blame anyone, blame the **** poor lawyer who drew up the contract. It will all be resolved in the end and no amount of slating either party by people on here will make any difference whatsoever. It is a business dispute and like many such disputes will take some lawyers to resolve - in the end they will be the ones who profit from this at the expense of both NA and SFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 It's just business! Nothing to do with NA doing a crap job or brilliant job, NC wants best deal for saints and NA wants best deal for himself, this isn't a rare occurrence!A sensible post which I agree 100% All the sentimental bollix on here by the usual spazzers makes me cringe. Don't remember anyone wanting a fair deal for Burley?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Eh? Maybe you need to use your head when posting replies. You state it's just business and then try to draw an emotice distinction between the Club and ex Manager and infer that if you don't blithely support the club on this, then you are not a "real" fan? Don't act like your username. IMHO, I hope NA takes the nasty little **** to the cleaners.YEAH!!! thats the spirit, lets hope Adkins completely cleans us out, HELL it might even affect our chances of a few decent signings in the summer. MORON. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Its good to see Cortese playing hardball and not being pushed around by this money grabbing failure of a manager. I'm sure the court will come down on SFCs side and praise us for not bowing to the demands of someone who was shown up as a grinning, tactically inept bumpkin who was well out of his depth. Worthless idiot, wind-up is what TROLLS do and "not quite so Smart Rrses!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 For me the real issue here is that Nigel is free to work. That's great for him but should he end up at Reading, especially if he does so before we play them, that would be bad news for Saints. A quick look at the remaining fixtures shows, in my opinion, how important it will be for us to beat Reading. Whereas I'm reasonably confident of beating them right now, Adkins' appointment would change the dynamic completely. New manager syndrome, Adkins v Cortese, Adkins V Pochettino, player allegiances, big media spotlight for days ahead of the match. We could really do without this because there are some hard games in the run in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Naivity. Anyone who thinks contracts are as black and white as that is living in cloud cuckoo land. NA will get what he deserves, but there is clearly a grey area or areas in the contract which makes a significant difference to what NA is entitled to. That needs to be resolved. If you want to blame anyone, blame the **** poor lawyer who drew up the contract. It will all be resolved in the end and no amount of slating either party by people on here will make any difference whatsoever. It is a business dispute and like many such disputes will take some lawyers to resolve - in the end they will be the ones who profit from this at the expense of both NA and SFC. No a contract is not grey at all if its drawn up correctly its black and white, its designed to protect employee and employer, if the contract is weak and not robust then the underwriters could be at fault and they could be liable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 No a contract is not grey at all if its drawn up correctly its black and white, its designed to protect employee and employer, if the contract is weak and not robust then the underwriters could be at fault and they could be liable. The contract is black and white, I suspect what is happening here is a negotiation to depart from the clauses of the contract. NA is signed up until September (iirc) and understandably wants to get back into management, so probably requested early release. NC stance is "is it in SFC s interest?" assuming that he doesn't believe it is, then he has told NA to done until the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Naivity. Anyone who thinks contracts are as black and white as that is living in cloud cuckoo land. NA will get what he deserves, but there is clearly a grey area or areas in the contract which makes a significant difference to what NA is entitled to. That needs to be resolved. If you want to blame anyone, blame the **** poor lawyer who drew up the contract. It will all be resolved in the end and no amount of slating either party by people on here will make any difference whatsoever. It is a business dispute and like many such disputes will take some lawyers to resolve - in the end they will be the ones who profit from this at the expense of both NA and SFC. In my past life I taught Employment Law.For NA to succeed (before we all jump to conclusions) we would have to see his contract and ONLY THEN endeavour to act. His only route at present is to claim WRONGFUL DISMISSAL as the other two options (Constructive and Unfair) are outside his terms of reference. I can only conclude from what I've seen and heard that his claim will be dealt with by the Lawyers employed by the Managers Association (His Union) and until they make public their intentions we can only sit back and wait. PS. The EMPLOYER draws up the Contract and the Employee (and his Representative either accept or decline the offer made) I wish NA all the luck in the world as I've seen in my time some really devious Employers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 A sensible post which I agree 100% All the sentimental bollix on here by the usual spazzers makes me cringe. Don't remember anyone wanting a fair deal for Burley?? You are correct. Nobody on here was calling for a fair deal for Burley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 You are correct. Nobody on here was calling for a fair deal for Burley. We got paid to be shot of him........ Doesn't get any fairer than that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 i think everyone knows Cortese is stiching Adkins up here, making him wait for his money, he has been treated terribly, not just for sacking him when he was doing a good job and had earned the chance to see out the season, but the subsequent attempt to airbrush him from our history, not to be mentioned in the programme, take posters off fans thanking him, it stinks. Good luck to Nigel and hope he gets fully paid for what he is owed, plus more for the hassle of having to take this action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 i think everyone knows Cortese is stiching Adkins up here, making him wait for his money, he has been treated terribly, not just for sacking him when he was doing a good job and had earned the chance to see out the season, but the subsequent attempt to airbrush him from our history, not to be mentioned in the programme, take posters off fans thanking him, it stinks. Good luck to Nigel and hope he gets fully paid for what he is owed, plus more for the hassle of having to take this action. This really. If Nigel gets paid up in full, gets the job at Leeds and then beats us next season then that would be a healthy dose of natural justice served up to Cortese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Anybody who has been in a job whereby you get paid by results ie performance against targets or objectives may understand the reasoning here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Anybody who has been in a job whereby you get paid by results ie performance against targets or objectives may understand the reasoning here. He was on the job two months. No time at all to decided if he was performing against target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 This thread makes me laugh. No one knows the details except them. IF Adkins isn't getting what his contract states he is entitled to, then fair enough. However, as he was sacked, his contract may actually be worthless - just as our's would be if we were sacked - presumably for something along the lines of underperformance. No one knows what's written down and what's been agreed, typical mincer-board rubbish being posted by many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horley CTFC Saint Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 This thread makes me laugh. No one knows the details except them. IF Adkins isn't getting what his contract states he is entitled to, then fair enough. However, as he was sacked, his contract may actually be worthless - just as our's would be if we were sacked - presumably for something along the lines of underperformance. No one knows what's written down and what's been agreed, typical mincer-board rubbish being posted by many. Chortle - you must work in HR :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 This really. If Nigel gets paid up in full, gets the job at Leeds and then beats us next season then that would be a healthy dose of natural justice served up to Cortese. Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 You know, I could forgive NC almost anything about his apparently pr!ckly business approach, but not this. NA delivered 2 promotions to the club, bringing us back the big-time. Now arguably he has been found wanting at this level (but he was improving and we'll never know now..), but he deserves to receive what he is entitled to as stipulated by his contract. NC is being a bell-end. And now I wonder if his obsessive control-freakery has cost us certain signings and ultimately the PL place NA worked so hard to achieve. I understand what you are saying. But, if he is so bad, how come Markus put so much trust and faith in NC ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Those judges that demand evidence, they are just the worst. Ones that actually want to take a balanced approach, eurgh. I wish they would just blindly make decisions within a couple of minutes based on nothing, that would be much better. Then when proved wrong, deny it outright, and carrying on doing the same thing over and over and over. My post wasn't about judges. It was about pri cks on here. Like, say, you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 My post wasn't about judges. It was about pri cks on here. Like, say, you. Wow, isn't that funny. Mine was exactly the same. What a coincidence. It must be so hard being a negative bastion of truth on here. All that abuse and names that get hurled your way without provocation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Why are you lot hoping that Nigel gets a job and comes back to bite us in the arse?......****ing mental if you ask me. Who gives a rats arse what Nigel does next?....he's gone,he's not coming back and I wish him well but if he ever faces my team ever again I will not be hoping he kicks our arses and anybody that does wish that should **** right off. I would be doing exactly the same if I was cortese,keep him in limbo until we are safe in the prem so that he can't be employed by our rivals......after all,he is getting paid very well for doing nothing so whats to complain about? Time to move on for some of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redder freak Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Routine business between two competitive people. Hopefully justice will be done and we can all move on. Nothing to get in a tizzy about. Together as one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Wow, isn't that funny. Mine was exactly the same. What a coincidence. It must be so hard being a negative bastion of truth on here. All that abuse and names that get hurled your way without provocation. Maybe try and come up with your own gags then. Keep trying sweetheart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAY-Z Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 In my past life I taught Employment Law.For NA to succeed (before we all jump to conclusions) we would have to see his contract and ONLY THEN endeavour to act. His only route at present is to claim WRONGFUL DISMISSAL as the other two options (Constructive and Unfair) are outside his terms of reference. I can only conclude from what I've seen and heard that his claim will be dealt with by the Lawyers employed by the Managers Association (His Union) and until they make public their intentions we can only sit back and wait. PS. The EMPLOYER draws up the Contract and the Employee (and his Representative either accept or decline the offer made) I wish NA all the luck in the world as I've seen in my time some really devious Employers. Last season in the a-league Adelaide uniteds manager Rini Coolen was demoted to youth team coach - the club claimed they were still employing him therefore no payout was required after Coolen resigned from the youth team role - This went to court and Coolen won. Just pay Adkins what he is owed and move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Maybe try and come up with your own gags then. Keep trying sweetheart. Hey, I took what you did and made it better. Got more laughs than you. Which is what a gag is meant to do, right? Back to the drawing board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 I understand what you are saying. But, if he is so bad, how come Markus put so much trust and faith in NC ? Actually the best question of the day, and people suddenly "miss" answering that one. I have said the same on other forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Hey, I took what you did and made it better. Got more laughs than you. Which is what a gag is meant to do, right? From Wes Tender. You comedy genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 From Wes Tender. You comedy genius. I'm thinking of doing stand up, I'll get you tickets if you like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Last season in the a-league Adelaide uniteds manager Rini Coolen was demoted to youth team coach - the club claimed they were still employing him therefore no payout was required after Coolen resigned from the youth team role - This went to court and Coolen won. Just pay Adkins what he is owed and move on I'm not sure of the relevance of an Australian court case to one under English/EU law though ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 I think Nigel has a legal duty to "mitigate his loss", which means that he needs to actively seek alternative employment and take any reasonable position offered to him. Only then would it become clear what he's lost through his (apparently) unfair dismissal. The courts are there to either make that decision or (indirectly) force parties who'd rather avoid the courts to come to an agreement. This isn't personal, as some are so keen to characterize it, but relatively normal practice in situations like this. As much as I think he handled it poorly, all this whining about Cortese is uniformed drivel from the usual suspects. As for those who hope Nigel sticks it to us on a financial and even playing level, that's just pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Nigel! Wise up and shut up!! If we relegate you can come back on the pay roll as manager in the Championship. Hang on in there Nige, you can be a Saint again yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAY-Z Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 I'm not sure of the relevance of an Australian court case to one under English/EU law though ? well most australian law is based on english law, i would assume there would be similarities between the 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 14 March, 2013 Share Posted 14 March, 2013 You know, I could forgive NC almost anything about his apparently pr!ckly business approach, but not this. NA delivered 2 promotions to the club, bringing us back the big-time. Now arguably he has been found wanting at this level (but he was improving and we'll never know now..), but he deserves to receive what he is entitled to as stipulated by his contract. NC is being a bell-end. And now I wonder if his obsessive control-freakery has cost us certain signings and ultimately the PL place NA worked so hard to achieve. oh the irony of your comments. if you had been in charge he wouldnt have had the chance to win one promotion let alone complete half a season in the prem. please dont pretend you havent pretty much called for his head within 15 minutes of the start every game for thevpast 2 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 14 March, 2013 Share Posted 14 March, 2013 oh the irony of your comments. if you had been in charge he wouldnt have had the chance to win one promotion let alone complete half a season in the prem. please dont pretend you havent pretty much called for his head within 15 minutes of the start every game for thevpast 2 years Pure Comedy Gold I have NEVER called for Adkins head. I have acouple of times accused of him nof not knowing what he is doing, but I have never demanded his replacement. But WTF, if the cap fits for the unthinking cliche-embracing morons on here like you.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 14 March, 2013 Share Posted 14 March, 2013 From Wes Tender. You comedy genius. I have to admit that when it comes to pure comedy, you are indeed the master. Tell us that one about West Ham and Man Utd again. As I recall, that was comedy gold and you had several people rolling in the aisles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 March, 2013 Share Posted 14 March, 2013 I have to admit that when it comes to pure comedy, you are indeed the master. Tell us that one about West Ham and Man Utd again. As I recall, that was comedy gold and you had several people rolling in the aisles. Are West Ham going down then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 14 March, 2013 Share Posted 14 March, 2013 Are West Ham going down then? Do you have to comment on EVERYTHING turds? The turdish life must be a lonely one outside of here hey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 14 March, 2013 Share Posted 14 March, 2013 Do you have to comment on EVERYTHING turds? The turdish life must be a lonely one outside of here hey! yes i do. unemployed, single, fat and lonely. Stamping my feet in my bedsit and attention seeking on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 14 March, 2013 Share Posted 14 March, 2013 Pure Comedy Gold I have NEVER called for Adkins head. I have acouple of times accused of him nof not knowing what he is doing, but I have never demanded his replacement. But WTF, if the cap fits for the unthinking cliche-embracing morons on here like you.... Wild saint has a different opinion than Alpine Saint. So Alpine calls him a moron. Hmmm. Says it all about Alpine doesn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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