Only1Northam Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/southampton/9925732/Nigel-Adkins-takes-Southampton-to-tribunal-in-bid-to-resolve-feud-with-Nicola-Cortese.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 I imagine the judge will take the Saintsweb approach of demanding "evidence, where's the evidence" before recieving some evidence which is immediately disregarded because he doesn't like it. And the next day, repeat the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Its good to see Cortese playing hardball and not being pushed around by this money grabbing failure of a manager. I'm sure the court will come down on SFCs side and praise us for not bowing to the demands of someone who was shown up as a grinning, tactically inept bumpkin who was well out of his depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Ancient news? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Its good to see Cortese playing hardball and not being pushed around by this money grabbing failure of a manager. I'm sure the court will come down on SFCs side and praise us for not bowing to the demands of someone who was shown up as a grinning, tactically inept bumpkin who was well out of his depth. Yes we have improved such a lot since haven't we ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Does this mean he's a free agent? Really hope he doesn't show up at Reading in time for our match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 You know, I could forgive NC almost anything about his apparently pr!ckly business approach, but not this. NA delivered 2 promotions to the club, bringing us back the big-time. Now arguably he has been found wanting at this level (but he was improving and we'll never know now..), but he deserves to receive what he is entitled to as stipulated by his contract. NC is being a bell-end. And now I wonder if his obsessive control-freakery has cost us certain signings and ultimately the PL place NA worked so hard to achieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Yes we have improved such a lot since haven't we ! According to some posters we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 You know, I could forgive NC almost anything about his apparently pr!ckly business approach, but not this. NA delivered 2 promotions to the club, bringing us back the big-time. Now arguably he has been found wanting at this level (but he was improving and we'll never know now..), but he deserves to receive what he is entitled to as stipulated by his contract. NC is being a bell-end. And now I wonder if his obsessive control-freakery has cost us certain signings and ultimately the PL place NA worked so hard to achieve. 2 defeats in 12 doesn't seem like a manager who was struggling to adapt to prem? We have got worse since IMO and lost our integrity as a club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Does this mean he's a free agent? Really hope he doesn't show up at Reading in time for our match. Yes. The telegraph article, states that now the process has begun, he is free to take up employment now and even cited the reading job could be place by the weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Saint Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 I hope NA gets every penny he deserves. As the above poster said - he did an absolute brilliant job for us. Going straight through the Championship was a wonder show - how many teams languish there year after year? Cortese dishes out some strange extended contracts to players (Kelvin, Butters, et al), yet he can't settle up NA's? This leads me to believe that he likes to be popular with the players and to be seen that he is in fact their benefactor, not the Manager. An odd man. Successful to date, but I hope, for our sakes, that MP is not a bridge too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 it is amazing that a manager can leave a job get 100,000's of pay-off and then jump into another lucrative job. it is double whammy. Forget not, monies out to NA means less money to spend on new players. As for the soul of the club we have sacked a lot of managers under the pressure of fans and never a whisper of doing the right thing then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 It's just business! Nothing to do with NA doing a crap job or brilliant job, NC wants best deal for saints and NA wants best deal for himself, this isn't a rare occurrence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Nigel Adkins deserves the full backing of every Saints supporter. after his achievements over the past 3 years, it is a travesty how he's been treated. Cortesé playing on the fact that Nigel will soon be snapped up by another club. Yet for what he achieved he should be justly rewarded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Loving the "give him what he's due" lines. How do you know that we are not? For a (hypothetical) example, if his contract notice was say 12 months and there was say only 9 months left to run, why should we pay it up, why not let it run it's course? It the contract allows for it, then we are doing nothing wrong. If however, NC is trying to change the terms then that is not acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Nigel Adkins deserves the full backing of every Saints supporter. after his achievements over the past 3 years, it is a travesty how he's been treated. Cortesé playing on the fact that Nigel will soon be snapped up by another club. Yet for what he achieved he should be justly rewarded That's your heart speaking and not your head, why shouldn't NC try and get the best deal for SFC? Are you an SFC supporter or a NA supporter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No 2 to Maybush Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Any "fan" of this club who is supporting NC on this matter is a seriously deluded bellend. He f**king shafted the Manager FFS! I hope Nige gets what he is entitled to in his contract, which I am sure is all he is after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Loving the "give him what he's due" lines. How do you know that we are not? For a (hypothetical) example, if his contract notice was say 12 months and there was say only 9 months left to run, why should we pay it up, why not let it run it's course? It the contract allows for it, then we are doing nothing wrong. If however, NC is trying to change the terms then that is not acceptable. And which one do you think is most likely : NA taking the p*ss, or NC ? I know which one I think...NC already has history. IMO, if there is a contract, there shouldnt be anything to take to a tribunal. But thats where they are heading... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 that's your heart speaking and not your head, why shouldn't nc try and get the best deal for sfc? Are you an sfc supporter or a na supporter? wtf ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No 2 to Maybush Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 For a (hypothetical) example, if his contract notice was say 12 months and there was say only 9 months left to run, why should we pay it up, why not let it run it's course? It the contract allows for it, then we are doing nothing wrong. The simple reason is if the contract states 12 months notice, then that kicks in at the time of termination. You can't arbitrarily decide when the notice period starts to suit your own agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Nigel Adkins deserves the full backing of every Saints supporter. after his achievements over the past 3 years, it is a travesty how he's been treated. Cortesé playing on the fact that Nigel will soon be snapped up by another club. Yet for what he achieved he should be justly rewarded Agree but unfortunately looks like he will be another of our respected legends who will be stopped from visiting St Marys by the big girls blouse who runs this club at the moment.its so petty . Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Its good to see Cortese playing hardball and not being pushed around by this money grabbing failure of a manager. I'm sure the court will come down on SFCs side and praise us for not bowing to the demands of someone who was shown up as a grinning, tactically inept bumpkin who was well out of his depth. Even you must get tired of your own trolling comments sometimes, surely? Adkins has a contract. He is entitled to see its conditions honoured, regardless of your opinion of him as a manager. If Saints are not paying him what the contract says he should get, then he is perfectly right to take us to a tribunal. If, on the other hand, we are paying him what the contract says, but simply not being more generous than that, then tough, he'll deservedly lose his case. It's a shame that a manager who served the club so well ends up in dispute like this, but none of us know what went on out of the public eye, any more than we did with Pardew, or for that matter than we will when Pochettino eventually leaves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldbarbarian Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 I want what is best for Southampton FC not Nigel Adkins. If that means letting his contract run until the tribunal sorts it out then so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 That's your heart speaking and not your head, why shouldn't NC try and get the best deal for SFC? Are you an SFC supporter or a NA supporter? Eh? Maybe you need to use your head when posting replies. You state it's just business and then try to draw an emotice distinction between the Club and ex Manager and infer that if you don't blithely support the club on this, then you are not a "real" fan? Don't act like your username. IMHO, I hope NA takes the nasty little **** to the cleaners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clunge Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Eh? Maybe you need to use your head when posting replies. You state it's just business and then try to draw an emotice distinction between the Club and ex Manager and infer that if you don't blithely support the club on this, then you are not a "real" fan? Don't act like your username. IMHO, I hope NA takes the nasty little **** to the cleaners. Can you read? Both posts clearly making the same point, it's business and 'fan' feelings shouldn't come into it. NC is trying to get best deal for the club and so he should! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 The simple reason is if the contract states 12 months notice, then that kicks in at the time of termination. You can't arbitrarily decide when the notice period starts to suit your own agenda. Most contracts have language in them which facilitates gardening leave, working the notice period or payment in lieu of notice. The employer can choose which. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 How long before the fans start singing "one Nigel Adkins " again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 And which one do you think is most likely : NA taking the p*ss, or NC ? I know which one I think...NC already has history. IMO, if there is a contract, there shouldnt be anything to take to a tribunal. But thats where they are heading... I am inclined to agree, if I had to put a bet on who is being unreasonable then I would probably say NC , however disputes over money does funny things to the most reasonable of people. I suspect that NA wants to be release from the gardening leave to take up further employment, however they cannot agree on the terms of that, be it NA still wants a chunk of the contract paid up, or NC wants compensation. None of this would covered by the Contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 I imagine the judge will take the Saintsweb approach of demanding "evidence, where's the evidence" before recieving some evidence which is immediately disregarded because he doesn't like it. And the next day, repeat the process. Those judges that demand evidence, they are just the worst. Ones that actually want to take a balanced approach, eurgh. I wish they would just blindly make decisions within a couple of minutes based on nothing, that would be much better. Then when proved wrong, deny it outright, and carrying on doing the same thing over and over and over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 And which one do you think is most likely : NA taking the p*ss, or NC ? I know which one I think...NC already has history. IMO, if there is a contract, there shouldnt be anything to take to a tribunal. But thats where they are heading... Why jump to the conclusion that the club are in the wrong? Why is it not possible that NA is being unreasonable? We can all speculate, but the simple fact is that none of us know what actually is in dispute and who is in the wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 How long before the fans start singing "one Nigel Adkins " again? That will never happen IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 How long before the fans start singing "one Nigel Adkins " again? Probably after our relegation is confirmed at the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Hope Nigel finds himself another Premiership job, but please not Reading before we play them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Just in case you haven't noticed, this is not a tribunal against Cortese, it's against the Football Club! If everyone just puts their anger aside for one split second maybe posts about this issue can become reasonable. While it was harsh to see Adkins go that way, and results haven't put the ghosts to bed so far, if a manager does not achieve promotion through the FL with an investment in players worth 33m then you might as well swing him from the Itchen bridge. The big test was this season and I remember several posters on here (including myself) criticizing Adkins again and again for mistakes particularly in subs. The home game v. Fulham springs to mind as one where there was outrage against him. So even though his positive and cheerful and all-round good guy manners were something we all enjoyed, this does not mean he was a good manager especially for the PL. Is Pochettino? We sure hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Those judges that demand evidence, they are just the worst. Ones that actually want to take a balanced approach, eurgh. I wish they would just blindly make decisions within a couple of minutes based on nothing, that would be much better. Then when proved wrong, deny it outright, and carrying on doing the same thing over and over and over. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 it is amazing that a manager can leave a job get 100,000's of pay-off and then jump into another lucrative job. it is double whammy. Forget not, monies out to NA means less money to spend on new players. As for the soul of the club we have sacked a lot of managers under the pressure of fans and never a whisper of doing the right thing then. But he didn't leave. That is why, as probably in his contract (maybe even enshrined in employment law ?), he wants a settlement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldbarbarian Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 How long before the fans start singing "one Nigel Adkins " again? some already have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Any "fan" of this club who is supporting NC on this matter is a seriously deluded bellend. He f**king shafted the Manager FFS! I hope Nige gets what he is entitled to in his contract, which I am sure is all he is after. So this tribunal is a total waste of time, because you know for a fact that Cortese is attempting to shaft Adkins by not coughing up what he is entitled to in his contract. Therefore it should only take the adjudicator a few minutes to reach a decision, because he will have read the brief beforehand and the terms of the contract will be crystal clear. I really don't know therefore why the Club will bother defending it in court, as they are so plainly in the wrong. Any who express the opinion that there is a possibility that things aren't as black and white as you paint them is naturally a bell end. How dare they attempt to be even-handed and give the benefit of the doubt to Cortese. After all, he is the devil incarnate, whereas Adkins is such a nice guy that the rights and wrongs of the matter can't be anything other than the conclusion that you have leapt to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 some already have if you call them fans to Saints, that´s the question for me...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 I can see from NA's perspective that still being under contract to the club is a problem. He wants to be able to take on new roles and, as a manager, the longer you are out of the game, the more difficult it becomes (just ask Curbishley). However, from a purely hard nosed business decision I can see why Cortese is doing what he's doing. If you have to pay Adkins anyway (which we do and will have to regardless - that's in the contract), then why run the risk of him working for a Villa or a Reading when you don't have to? If the contract doesn't say we have to pay up in a lump sum then that's the fault of NA's agent, not Southampton FC. Emotionally, morally, perhaps it is a different answer, but in the interests of Southampton FC I can see why Cortese is doing what he's doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 So this tribunal is a total waste of time, because you know for a fact that Cortese is attempting to shaft Adkins by not coughing up what he is entitled to in his contract.... "Adkins, who is being represented by the League Managers’ Association......" Well, if Adkins was taking the ****** I think the LMA would just say "save your money, trouser the cash, move on..". That would be their professional advice based on a lot more experience and wisdom than you have. they clearly think there is a case, and you know what, i suspect they are right. Personally I would love it, just love it, if NA takes over at reading and they beat us (assuming of course we manage to scrape enough points together to stay up this year) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 However, from a purely hard nosed business decision I can see why Cortese is doing what he's doing. If you have to pay Adkins anyway (which we do and will have to regardless - that's in the contract), then why run the risk of him working for a Villa or a Reading when you don't have to? But surely it will be to our benefit if Adkins went to Reading or Villa, as Pochettino is the better manager and would beat Adkins' team. Or otherwise why would we have appointed him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 I can see from NA's perspective that still being under contract to the club is a problem. He wants to be able to take on new roles and, as a manager, the longer you are out of the game, the more difficult it becomes (just ask Curbishley). However, from a purely hard nosed business decision I can see why Cortese is doing what he's doing. If you have to pay Adkins anyway (which we do and will have to regardless - that's in the contract), then why run the risk of him working for a Villa or a Reading when you don't have to? If the contract doesn't say we have to pay up in a lump sum then that's the fault of NA's agent, not Southampton FC. Emotionally, morally, perhaps it is a different answer, but in the interests of Southampton FC I can see why Cortese is doing what he's doing. I agree with all the above. We don't know the details of the contract and sacking a manager is at best subjective in terms of compliance with the contract. At the end of the day, the tribunal, with the relevant information, will make the decision not us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 You know, I could forgive NC almost anything about his apparently pr!ckly business approach, but not this. NA delivered 2 promotions to the club, bringing us back the big-time. Now arguably he has been found wanting at this level (but he was improving and we'll never know now..), but he deserves to receive what he is entitled to as stipulated by his contract. NC is being a bell-end. And now I wonder if his obsessive control-freakery has cost us certain signings and ultimately the PL place NA worked so hard to achieve. This and his hair do is ****e. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 "Adkins, who is being represented by the League Managers’ Association......" Well, if Adkins was taking the ****** I think the LMA would just say "save your money, trouser the cash, move on..". That would be their professional advice based on a lot more experience and wisdom than you have. they clearly think there is a case, and you know what, i suspect they are right. Personally I would love it, just love it, if NA takes over at reading and they beat us (assuming of course we manage to scrape enough points together to stay up this year) My tongue is firmly in my cheek on both replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 I can see from NA's perspective that still being under contract to the club is a problem. He wants to be able to take on new roles and, as a manager, the longer you are out of the game, the more difficult it becomes (just ask Curbishley). However, from a purely hard nosed business decision I can see why Cortese is doing what he's doing. If you have to pay Adkins anyway (which we do and will have to regardless - that's in the contract), then why run the risk of him working for a Villa or a Reading when you don't have to? If the contract doesn't say we have to pay up in a lump sum then that's the fault of NA's agent, not Southampton FC. Emotionally, morally, perhaps it is a different answer, but in the interests of Southampton FC I can see why Cortese is doing what he's doing. It is no longer a problem for Adkins to find other employment. Now that the legal process is in place, he is free to go and get other employment. Now it might not be as black and white as this, but (I don't know the full figures etc.) Managers always negociate their pay offs (Pardew settled with us for 1.3 million - As a % of his unexpired contract and his salary, we don't know how much that was, but quite obviously it is not 100%. So if (These are just example figures) Adkins was on 5k a week and three years left to run, the maxmimum he would be entitled to would be 780k. Is he really likely to get that amount if he has got a new job (Paying roughly the same)? I don't really know how these things work, but I am guessing not. If he went in without a new job, surely he would stand a better chance of getting a higher payout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 I agree with all the above. We don't know the details of the contract and sacking a manager is at best subjective in terms of compliance with the contract. At the end of the day, the tribunal, with the relevant information, will make the decision not us. Thanks for clearing this up, I was worried that it would be decided by a poll on this forum and we all know that it isn't as good on here as it used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Thanks for clearing this up, I was worried that it would be decided by a poll on this forum and we all know that it isn't as good on here as it used to be. It's an ongoing worry. A poll sounds like the way forwards with extra weighting for those ITK on the details of the contract and settlement disharmony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 My tongue is firmly between his cheeks on both replies. Who's cheeks would those be? Oh, I see.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Good for him !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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