Turkish Posted 12 March, 2013 Share Posted 12 March, 2013 Oh, you only respond when it suits you. OK then. This is how MLGs world is crabbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 12 March, 2013 Share Posted 12 March, 2013 Does that matter? The fact they have a number of games in a 24k stadium not sold out is telling in itself that it isn't the best comparison. We also have a number of games that don't sell out. But I guess they don't count. Reading sell 99% of their capacity on average, but this is not evidence they need a bigger stadium. Saints sell 94% of their capacity on average, and this is evidence that they need a bigger stadium asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 12 March, 2013 Share Posted 12 March, 2013 Reading will go back to having 4000 away fans and attendances of 18k again next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 12 March, 2013 Share Posted 12 March, 2013 Reading will go back to having 4000 away fans and attendances of 18k again next year. Unlike Saints, who won't see a drop in attendances should we get relegated, do you mean? 18,000 in a 24,00 stadium is 75% of capacity; pretty much the same ratio to capacity that Saints had in our Championship promotion year. In the year we got relegated to L1 we were fairly close to 50% of capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 12 March, 2013 Share Posted 12 March, 2013 I can't wait for our cyclical return to the lower leagues in a 50,000 seater stadium. It'll be epic. another 26 year wait to go back down then I could handle that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 12 March, 2013 Share Posted 12 March, 2013 Still no flying cars then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 12 March, 2013 Share Posted 12 March, 2013 Unlike Saints, who won't see a drop in attendances should we get relegated, do you mean? 18,000 in a 24,00 stadium is 75% of capacity; pretty much the same ratio to capacity that Saints had in our Championship promotion year. In the year we got relegated to L1 we were fairly close to 50% of capacity. I've never said we won't? We'll probably go down to an average of 25/6k if we do. Atleast our fans support Southampton though rather than readings who 50% of their fan base are neutrals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 March, 2013 Share Posted 12 March, 2013 I've never said we won't? We'll probably go down to an average of 25/6k if we do. Atleast our fans support Southampton though rather than readings who 50% of their fan base are neutrals Just shows what a success they are as a club and how they've grow and created a football hotbed. Whereas we can only attract our own fans, no the coach loads coming from Bideford, Shepton mallet, Cirencester, Hayes and Lewes we were promised when we got promoted by some on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 12 March, 2013 Share Posted 12 March, 2013 Just shows what a success they are as a club and how they've grow and created a football hotbed. Whereas we can only attract our own fans, no the coach loads coming from Bideford, Shepton mallet, Cirencester, Hayes and Lewes we were promised when we got promoted by some on here. What's wrong with people bringing up potential markets to tap into? That's what all good businesses do? I don't agree that we'll suddenly be able to recruit 10k more fans but have no problem with the fans who are suggesting potential growth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 12 March, 2013 Share Posted 12 March, 2013 Never been one to get excited about stadiums. Don't want a day out at a 'venue'. Just want to stand, sing and then leave. Couldn't give a fook about 'facilities' and all that w@nk. As long as it's not too far from the centre of town and holds enough people for the fan base then that's fine by me. This exactly, a product is something like a jumper or a pair of shoes not football. We are better than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 12 March, 2013 Share Posted 12 March, 2013 (edited) I think it is a jawa sandcrawler. With the relaxation of the borders there's been in influx of jawa coming over and taking our jobs, but they do fall in the saints catchment area so it's very astute of Cortese to try and attract them. I worry that we'll start to see a rise in Sandpeople as well, they'd be alright if they made more of an effort to sing & get behind the team. The sandpeople are sound, very misunderstood as the shrill and waving their sticks around is often taken as a threat when in fact its a pop round and come and meet the missus lark, they also love camping. Edited 12 March, 2013 by Barry Sanchez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 12 March, 2013 Share Posted 12 March, 2013 They're just mock ups done by one company. I'm sure lots of designs have been made but the company are probably using it for publicity more than anything. I don't doubt that Cortese has his ambitions set pretty high and he has definitely looked into an expansion, but that is some way off just yet. Anyone remember this??? Bladerunner great film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 12 March, 2013 Share Posted 12 March, 2013 Have you plucked that 50/50 figure out of thin air? Cortese just doesn't strike me as the sort to commission AFL to design a stadium development without the intent and knowledge he has the resources to see the project through. Staplewood will be up their with some of the best in the country, Cortese put that through planning whilst in the 3rd tier, construction started whilst in the 2nd tier. Saints are currently averaging over 30k whilst in a relegation fight, and are selling out a lot of games, if we actually had good season 32k simply wouldn't be big enough. Even this season Saints are turning away customers due to not being able to meet demand as capacity restricts them. In any case this isn't solely about an increase in capacity, as you can see from the images the club are looking to increase revenues by developing the surrounding area. All will come in useful under FFP regulations. Are you smokin de pipe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 12 March, 2013 Share Posted 12 March, 2013 What's wrong with people bringing up potential markets to tap into? That's what all good businesses do? I don't agree that we'll suddenly be able to recruit 10k more fans but have no problem with the fans who are suggesting potential growth. You really are thick. Take a deep breath, read both our last posts again and try and understand what was said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 12 March, 2013 Share Posted 12 March, 2013 What's wrong with people bringing up potential markets to tap into? That's what all good businesses do? I don't agree that we'll suddenly be able to recruit 10k more fans but have no problem with the fans who are suggesting potential growth. Are you smokin de pipe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joensuu Posted 12 March, 2013 Share Posted 12 March, 2013 MLG 1, SWF trolls 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 12 March, 2013 Share Posted 12 March, 2013 MLG 1, SWF trolls 0 Are you smokin de pipe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Ah ha, so THAT's the reason we're gonna need a bigger stadium. It's so we can fit the Jacuzzi's in. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2292037/Pictures-Fans-watch-match-sipping-beer-Jacuzzi.html Now all we need is confirmation that Lucy Pinder will join us & I'm in for a Season Ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 You really are thick. Take a deep breath, read both our last posts again and try and understand what was said. Or you're just trying to have another dig at people who have said previously that there are other potential markets to explore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Or you're just trying to have another dig at people who have said previously that there are other potential markets to explore... Read my post on Reading and how well they've done at doing this, post 210,, now read your post above that where you slated Reading for doing this saying 50% of their crowd are neutrals by ours are our own fans. Now think about how utterly stupid your last couple of posts on this subject look. You've made yourself look even more idiotic than usual and that is quite an achievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Turks, what would you say our maximum average attendance would be over the next 5 years if: A) We were successful, top 10 team, cup final, euro cup run to the knock out stages B) We stayed in the prem as bottom feeders, hanging around the relegation scrap as the new wigan. C) We went down and with the parachute money hung around the play offs making half an effort at promotion. Just out of interest. Not just Turks, open to everyone actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Read my post on Reading and how well they've done at doing this, post 210,, now read your post above that where you slated Reading for doing this saying 50% of their crowd are neutrals by ours are our own fans. Now think about how utterly stupid your last couple of posts on this subject look. You've made yourself look even more idiotic than usual and that is quite an achievement. I'm starting to give up with you an your total incompetence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Why were you lot all on here last night being mean to Matthew when you could have been watching a Barcelona masterclass? Call yourselves football fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Why were you lot all on here last night being mean to Matthew when you could have been watching a Barcelona masterclass? Call yourselves football fans. They were epic weren't they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 I'm starting to give up with you an your total incompetence. coming from the person who rates a players contribution to a team on what he might have done and now slags Reading off for attracting neutrals on one post then on the next post says attracting neutrals is vital. You couldn't make it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Why were you lot all on here last night being mean to Matthew when you could have been watching a Barcelona masterclass? Call yourselves football fans. Barca reminded me of what Cortese wants to achieve with Saints. Sweet one touch football, keep ball and great movement, little but dodgy in defence and a great number 10 being the main entertainer. The problem is our number 10 is ****, we do play keep ball but we soon lose it and our defence is more than dodgy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Turks, what would you say our maximum average attendance would be over the next 5 years if: A) We were successful, top 10 team, cup final, euro cup run to the knock out stages B) We stayed in the prem as bottom feeders, hanging around the relegation scrap as the new wigan. C) We went down and with the parachute money hung around the play offs making half an effort at promotion. Just out of interest. Not just Turks, open to everyone actually. If we can establish ourselves as a top 10 club then I believe we could probably get an average crowd of about 36k, filling a 40,000 stadium for big games. This has always been my stance on this and ive consistently said this. Constant relegation scrapers then our crowds won't go up, if anything they'll probably go down slightly as people get fed up with spending £35 a week to see us lose every week. To put a figure on it an average of about 29-30k Relegation prob c23,000 for being a possible play off contender. I've always maintained that we could need to expand at some point in the future if we can establish ourselves as a relatively successful side and about 40k was about right and that we should do this when we have firm evidence that more seats were needed. This is by selling out most weeks and having a solid and consistent base of season ticket holders, ideally with a wqiting list for them. What i don't subscribe to is MLG and his cronies view that it has to happen soon, that Cortese is in a mad hurry to do it, that we should just build it and worry about how to fill it later and if this involves cutting prices then so be it, that we should do it because Reading might be, Wolves built a new stand, Stoke might expand, that Chelsea only got 13k in 1984, that Sunderland had only 9,000 season ticket holders at RokerPark, that we have more fans than Everton. We should do it when it's right for us and Cortese seems to agree with me, otherwise the builders would be there right now, as MLG thinks they should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 If we can establish ourselves as a top 10 club then I believe we could probably get an average crowd of about 36k, filling a 40,000 stadium for big games. This has always been my stance on this and ive consistently said this. Constant relegation scrapers then our crowds won't go up, if anything they'll probably go down slightly as people get fed up with spending £35 a week to see us lose every week. To put a figure on it an average of about 29-30k Relegation prob c23,000 for being a possible play off contender. I've always maintained that we could need to expand at some point in the future if we can establish ourselves as a relatively successful side and about 40k was about right and that we should do this when we have firm evidence that more seats were needed. This is by selling out most weeks and having a solid and consistent base of season ticket holders, ideally with a wqiting list for them. What i don't subscribe to is MLG and his cronies view that it has to happen soon, that Cortese is in a mad hurry to do it, that we should just build it and worry about how to fill it later and if this involves cutting prices then so be it, that we should do it because Reading might be, Wolves built a new stand, Stoke might expand, that Chelsea only got 13k in 1984, that Sunderland had only 9,000 season ticket holders at RokerPark, that we have more fans than Everton. We should do it when it's right for us and Cortese seems to agree with me, otherwise the builders would be there right now, as MLG thinks they should be. Agree with a lot of that. It appears that much of the bickering in this thread (and others) really just boils down to a discussion about timelines and the right order of things. I don't think MLG is necessarily saying we *should* do it now, just that it appears we *might* be - understandable given the release of these images. Clearly it's early days though. Cortese seems to be hell-bent on making us a top 10 side (or actually better), and maybe - just maybe - he sees developing the stadium as being part and parcel of that. I.e. a parallel activity that actually helps us become a top 10 club (attracting better players, investment, other revenue streams etc), not something that is only possible afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul75 Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Is there any truth that the club is buying the land oppisite the stadium as the lease run out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 coming from the person who rates a players contribution to a team on what he might have done and now slags Reading off for attracting neutrals on one post then on the next post says attracting neutrals is vital. You couldn't make it up. Putting words in my mouth there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Putting words in my mouth there. No I'm not, that is what you said. Just look up the page. 'At least ours will be our own fans, 50% of Readings will be neutrals' Then when i said how well they'd done attracting these type of fans you started saying there was nothing wrong with that and it was vital. And you say I'm argumentative, with every post on This thread you've made yourself look a little bit more stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 It all looks quite impressive and whilst NC has undoubted drive, I am unaware that SFC actually own any of the land outside their current boundary. Negotiations for purchase could take many years and unless SFC would be willing to fund the whole development, which I guess could happen if the Liebherr's are interested, they'd have to find development partners with an appetite to develop what is, not a great area. This is something that might prove difficult as returns might not be attractive enough. It would also have to link in with the Councils local plan and the relocation of business and trade hubs would be subject to external influences that SFC aren't in control of. But if the Council have got any balls, then linking any ideas SFC have here with a proper regeneration of the Ocean Village area may well provide some inpetus, but for me, this would be many years of long hard work with no guarantee of success. But with the right team working on it anything could happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 No I'm not, that is what you said. Just look up the page. 'At least ours will be our own fans, 50% of Readings will be neutrals' Then when i said how well they'd done attracting these type of fans you started saying there was nothing wrong with that and it was vital. And you say I'm argumentative, with every post on This thread you've made yourself look a little bit more stupid. Of course I want ours to be 100% our fans. But I have nothing wrong with other fans saying that the business should be looking into ways of getting more fans. If we had a bigger stadium, then we would have to get new fans to fill it up. And going back to rating players on potential....all I said was that Adam Johnson has played 9 more games than Ramirez yet only has 1 more assist...It's a bit retarded to say that Johnson is a better player and cheaper when he's on a bigger wage and cost the same, yet Gaston has contributed PER MINUTE that he has been on the pitch? Is that not a fact ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Of course I want ours to be 100% our fans. But I have nothing wrong with other fans saying that the business should be looking into ways of getting more fans. If we had a bigger stadium, then we would have to get new fans to fill it up. And going back to rating players on potential....all I said was that Adam Johnson has played 9 more games than Ramirez yet only has 1 more assist...It's a bit retarded to say that Johnson is a better player and cheaper when he's on a bigger wage and cost the same, yet Gaston has contributed PER MINUTE that he has been on the pitch? Is that not a fact ? So for other clubs its a great idea to attract neutrals but for saints you just want us to be 100% saints yes? So base on your contribution per minute ideology David Nugent with one goal in one appearance was a better striker for England than Bobby Charlton, Gary Linekar and Michael Owen, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 One thing we dont have is more fans than Everton, who came up with that ****e? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 If we can establish ourselves as a top 10 club then I believe we could probably get an average crowd of about 36k, filling a 40,000 stadium for big games. This has always been my stance on this and ive consistently said this. Yeah agree with that. Sorry If you have consistently said it, I don't always listen/read. I mainly look out for the wrestling & prison stuff. The clothes and food bit is a bit boring unless there is a funny picture of someone in a jesters hat to throw your way. Constant relegation scrapers then our crowds won't go up, if anything they'll probably go down slightly as people get fed up with spending £35 a week to see us lose every week. To put a figure on it an average of about 29-30k Yeah, spot on I reckon. I've always maintained that we could need to expand at some point in the future if we can establish ourselves as a relatively successful side and about 40k was about right and that we should do this when we have firm evidence that more seats were needed. This is by selling out most weeks and having a solid and consistent base of season ticket holders, ideally with a wqiting list for them. What i don't subscribe to is MLG and his cronies view that it has to happen soon, that Cortese is in a mad hurry to do it, that we should just build it and worry about how to fill it later and if this involves cutting prices then so be it, that we should do it because Reading might be, Wolves built a new stand, Stoke might expand, that Chelsea only got 13k in 1984, that Sunderland had only 9,000 season ticket holders at RokerPark, that we have more fans than Everton. We should do it when it's right for us and Cortese seems to agree with me, otherwise the builders would be there right now, as MLG thinks they should be. See, didn't listen or read much of that at all. It seemed to be about MLG and Cortese, probably read it before. Was a bit long to read in full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 So for other clubs its a great idea to attract neutrals but for saints you just want us to be 100% saints yes? So base on your contribution per minute ideology David Nugent with one goal in one appearance was a better striker for England than Bobby Charlton, Gary Linekar and Michael Owen, yes? In an ideal world yes I want everyone to be a die hard Saints fan. But if the club is to expand that isn't going to happen is it ? From a business perspective it makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 No Chapel Arms and no burger vans. Can't see that happening. Replace burgers with Pie in the Sky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 In an ideal world yes I want everyone to be a die hard Saints fan. But if the club is to expand that isn't going to happen is it ? From a business perspective it makes sense. From a business perspective it would of been wise to puchase some footballers to assure ourselves of premiership football to give ourselves time to grow organically, this is moot if we get relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints boy in Leeds Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Looks great and also good to see all the fans wearing red & white stripes !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints boy in Leeds Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Exactly this. I don't want fancy restaurants and big complexes. Much rather a horrible area surrounded by terraced houses. Agreed, loved the Dell, proper football ground that most teams hated playing at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Unlike Saints, who won't see a drop in attendances should we get relegated, do you mean? 18,000 in a 24,00 stadium is 75% of capacity; pretty much the same ratio to capacity that Saints had in our Championship promotion year. In the year we got relegated to L1 we were fairly close to 50% of capacity. Yes, with thousands staying away because of Lowe. And if people don't believe that just look at the huge upswing in attendances after we went into admin and he was gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Yes, with thousands staying away because of Lowe. And if people don't believe that just look at the huge upswing in attendances after we went into admin and he was gone. Exactly! The 3 Championship home matches after Lowe left and relegation to League One a certainty = 23k, 27k, 24k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 You can't really factor in the 'bounce' factor in the long term plans. I remember getting a full house against Swindon for Ball's first game in charge after a lowish crowd was expected. Crowds will always drop if there is an unpopular director or manager and then bounce back once he has left. I would go with Turkish on his numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 You can't really factor in the 'bounce' factor in the long term plans. I remember getting a full house against Swindon for Ball's first game in charge after a lowish crowd was expected. Crowds will always drop if there is an unpopular director or manager and then bounce back once he has left. I would go with Turkish on his numbers. We didnt play Swindon under Bally. His first home game was the Liverpool game on Monday night Sky. 4-2 with MLT hat-trick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Exactly! The 3 Championship home matches after Lowe left and relegation to League One a certainty = 23k, 27k, 24k Nice attempt to rewrite history. The attendances were actually disappointing. We were in admin and every penny counted. Fans were being urged to attend as every penny counted towards our survival, his wasn't some massive upturn in support because of Lowe going, it was fans realising the plight the club was in and doing something about it. Even then though we didn't sell out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Not everything I say is factually accurate. Maybe it was the first game after Branfoot left. It was a sunny day and I am pretty sure Frankie Bennett was on the left wing. Anyway Lets be MLG, the principle is the same, dips and bounces due to unpopular staff being there or leaving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Nice attempt to rewrite history. The attendances were actually disappointing. We were in admin and every penny counted. Fans were being urged to attend as every penny counted towards our survival, his wasn't some massive upturn in support because of Lowe going, it was fans realising the plight the club was in and doing something about it. Even then though we didn't sell out. I think you'll struggle to name many teams that would get over 74,000 people through the turnstiles for 3 games whilst in administration and heading for relegation. Pompey for example will get about 33,000 for 3 games this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Not everything I say is factually accurate. Maybe it was the first game after Branfoot left. It was a sunny day and I am pretty sure Frankie Bennett was on the left wing. Anyway Lets be MLG, the principle is the same, dips and bounces due to unpopular staff being there or leaving. I really respect your views and opinions on this forum. (not everything I say......) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 I think you'll struggle to name many teams that would get over 74,000 people through the turnstiles for 3 games whilst in administration and heading for relegation. Pompey for example will get about 33,000 for 3 games this season. It's not 74,000 people though is it. Unless of course you think those attendance's meant different person went to each game. You've clearly blocked It from your mind as it probably upsets you but those crowds were dispointing given the circumstances, the big push to rally people to attend and the fact that it could have been our last ever games. People said as much at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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