Comfort Blankets of possession, fixtures and other teams games

[Saint Garrett]

Yer but you have to be a clown if you think that the players we bought were instantly going to become our best players. Especially those who have come from abroad. Ok I thought Gaston would have more of an impact but not really surprised he's taking time to adjust. J-Rod has been arguably our best player since MP took over. Yoshida has probably been our best CB this year, and Clyne our first choice RB.

 

Only ones who are questionable really are Mayuka and Forren.

[Turkish]

Yer but you have to be a clown if you think that the players we bought were instantly going to become our best players. Especially those who have come from abroad. Ok I thought Gaston would have more of an impact but not really surprised he's taking time to adjust. J-Rod has been arguably our best player since MP took over. Yoshida has probably been our best CB this year, and Clyne our first choice RB.

 

Only ones who are questionable really are Mayuka and Forren.

 

Oh i see. I get it, they weren't brought in to keep us in the premier league, they were brought in for the future in case we got lucky and managed to stay there. I see now it's obvious, how silly of me to think the players we signed for £35m were expected to perform and keep us up.

[Olallana]

Maybe it´s not about what a teams outlay is in ONE transfer window that should be compared...

 

Maybe it´s the squads entire value that is the issue.....

If so we can not expect so much more than we´ve got this season....actually, in that case we might be overachieving...

[Saint Garrett]

I hate the fact some people say the players we have brought in haven't done enough. Some of the players we have got are fantastic. Players like Boruc, Shaw, Cork, Morgan, Punch, would probably get in the majority of teams in the bottom half of the league. Just because other players haven't pushed them out the side doesn't mean they are pointless signings but maybe just give some credit to the ones who have grown with the club.

[buctootim]

you have to be a clown if you think that the players we bought were instantly going to become our best players. Especially those who have come from abroad.

 

J-Rod has been arguably our best player since MP took over. Yoshida has probably been our best CB this year, and Clyne our first choice RB.

 

 

So the players brouught in have become our best players, including one from abroad? Doh. I see clown.

[Turkish]

I hate the fact some people say the players we have brought in haven't done enough. Some of the players we have got are fantastic. Players like Boruc, Shaw, Cork, Morgan, Punch, would probably get in the majority of teams in the bottom half of the league. Just because other players haven't pushed them out the side doesn't mean they are pointless signings but maybe just give some credit to the ones who have grown with the club.

 

So in your own paragraph you destory your own point. Shaw, Cork, Morgan, Puncheon, 4 of the 5 players you list were already here. Interesting you only list one of our new signings, the one who took 4 months to get fit and has only player 12 games in your list of top players this season.

[Saint Garrett]

So the players brouught in have become our best players, including one from abroad? Doh. I see clown.

 

But we shouldn't have the EXPECTATION that they will be. It takes time. Maya was woeful at Arsenal, Gaston has been in and out and away generally been awful. Clyne and Boruc are first choice because they have little competition, and J-Rod has improved shed loads under MP.

[Saint Garrett]

So in your own paragraph you destory your own point. Shaw, Cork, Morgan, Puncheon, 4 of the 5 players you list were already here. Interesting you only list one of our new signings, the one who took 4 months to get fit and has only player 12 games in your list of top players this season.

 

That was highlighted on purpose..There wouldn't be many who wouldn't take Gaston, Clyne, Yoshi and J-Rod either. Your opinion seems to state that we should have spent no money on players who are much much better than what we have?! I don't think we could have got much better in the transfer market apart from the odd exceptional bit of business like Michu. Plus, I'd much rather us sign someone who is arguably good enough and going to improve at 21, than someone that is definitely good enough for 1 season but after that they probably won't be.

Edited 12 March, 2013 by Saint Garrett

[Turkish]

That was highlighted on purpose..

 

So i was saying that our best players were ones that were already here not signed in the sumer, so to prove me wrong you highlighted that our best players this season were ones that were already here, not ones signed in the summer. Brilliant stuff.

[Turkish]

That was highlighted on purpose..There wouldn't be many who wouldn't take Gaston, Clyne, Yoshi and J-Rod either. Your opinion seems to state that we should have spent no money on players who are much much better than what we have?! I don't think we could have got much better in the transfer market apart from the odd exceptional bit of business like Michu. Plus, I'd much rather us sign someone who is arguably good enough and going to improve at 21, than someone that is definitely good enough for 1 season but after that they probably won't be.

 

What on earth are you on about now? I thought you said what you post was worth reading!! You say on the one hand our best players are ones who are already here and list cork, Morgan, Puncheon and Shaw, which is exactly what i was saying, yet then you say we have another group of best players that we've brought in who are only our best players because the ones already in their position are crap but we shouldn't have expected them to be better than those that were already there in their position!

 

Lets make it easy for you as i can see you're struggling. Who do you think our top 5 players have been this season?

[ToreSF]

What on earth are you on about now? I thought you said what you post was worth reading!! You say on the one hand our best players are ones who are already here and list cork, Morgan, Puncheon and Shaw, which is exactly what i was saying, yet then you say we have another group of best players that we've brought in who are only our best players because the ones already in their position are crap but we shouldn't have expected them to be better than those that were already there in their position!

 

Lets make it easy for you as i can see you're struggling. Who do you think our top 5 players have been this season?

 

In a random order:

 

Boruc, Shaw, Schneiderlin, Lambert, Yoshida and Clyne.

 

Puncheon comes close, but has been to inconsistent IMO. Cork is a bit hyped I think. Avoids a lot of criticism, but his passing sometimes are quite bad.

[Dig Dig]

Gaston, Clyne, Boruc, Rodriguez and Yoshida.

[tajjuk]

Really? You'd say Clyne, Boruc and Yoshida are in the mix with Schniderlin, Cork, Lambert, Puncheon, Fonte (before the injury) for top 5 players this season. I would say Clyne and Yoshida have been decent signings and good value for money, but not been in our top 5, Boruc is starting to show what a good keeper he is and better than anyone else in that position (but that isn't saying much) but it took him 4 months to get fit and has only played 12 times, a long way to go to prove himself one of the top 5 over the season.

 

Still i'm glad like a lot of Saints fans you've got such low expectations, anyone would think that £35m outlay and 7th highest in Europe would give you players who stand out as level above what we have and make an instant impact, not desperately trying to think who might scramble into the last of our "best performer" slots.

 

Don't really rate Puncheon this season, think he has flattered to deceive, although he's contributed some important goals there is a reason he's been on the bench recently. Fonte has improved after being woeful at the start but Yoshida has been our most consistent centre back. Can't really argue with Morgan and Lambert. Cork is up there but Boruc, Yoshida and Clyne have played better than Fonte and Puncheon for me.

 

As many other have said if we'd stuck with Boruc instead of dropping him we'd be a good 6 points plus better off now and pretty much safe. I said ages ago that if we got him in the team we'd have a keeper earning us points, not costing us points and he has done that. He may have only played 12 games but he's been very important in the last 8 or 9.

 

All those players I've mentioned have improved on their championship counterparts.

 

Boruc is better than Davis.

Yoshida is better than Hooiveld

Clyne is better than Richardson

Jay Rod is better than Sharp

Gaston is better than Guly.

 

They have all improved the team and raised the standard of the squad. Surely that's an instant impact?

 

Why would you buy players to replace your better players? Our better players in the championship were Lallana, Lambert, Morgan, Cork, Fonte, you replace your weak links first, othwerwise we would end up with the likes of Lallana and Lambert on the bench as their 'better' replacements were let down by Richardson, Hooiveld and co. Would our squad be worse or better wihout those players we have brought in?

 

Edit: I forgot Shaw, although in recent weeks I think he was dropped he's still amongst our top performers.

 

Stand out top 2 is Morgan and Lambert, the next 3 for me are from Yoshida, Clyne, Boruc, Shaw and Cork.

Edited 12 March, 2013 by tajjuk

[Tamesaint]

I am sorry mate. I don't think I have ever posted saying that someone should be banned. Find me a post that says this.

 

I think you have me confused with somebody else.

 

I'm still waiting Alpine for you to give me an example.

[Turkish]

Don't really rate Puncheon this season, think he has flattered to deceive, although he's contributed some important goals there is a reason he's been on the bench recently. Fonte has improved after being woeful at the start but Yoshida has been our most consistent centre back. Can't really argue with Morgan and Lambert. Cork is up there but Boruc, Yoshida and Clyne have played better than Fonte and Puncheon for me.

 

As many other have said if we'd stuck with Boruc instead of dropping him we'd be a good 6 points plus better off now and pretty much safe. I said ages ago that if we got him in the team we'd have a keeper earning us points, not costing us points and he has done that. He may have only played 12 games but he's been very important in the last 8 or 9.

 

All those players I've mentioned have improved on their championship counterparts.

 

Boruc is better than Davis.

Yoshida is better than Hooiveld

Clyne is better than Richardson

Jay Rod is better than Sharp

Gaston is better than Guly.

 

They have all improved the team and raised the standard of the squad. Surely that's an instant impact?

 

Why would you buy players to replace your better players? Our better players in the championship were Lallana, Lambert, Morgan, Cork, Fonte, you replace your weak links first, othwerwise we would end up with the likes of Lallana and Lambert on the bench as their 'better' replacements were let down by Richardson, Hooiveld and co. Would our squad be worse or better wihout those players we have brought in?

 

Edit: I forgot Shaw, although in recent weeks I think he was dropped he's still amongst our top performers.

 

Stand out top 2 is Morgan and Lambert, the next 3 for me are from Yoshida, Clyne, Boruc, Shaw and Cork.

 

I'm not saying they are bad signings but for £35m I expected one or two to be our top performers and stand out this season, the simple fact is they haven't, our best and most consistent players were ones that were already here. The irony being that of the three news signings that you list as our second tier of best players they were 3 of the 4 cheapest. By your own admission of from your list of players who have performed compared to the rest we haven't had value from the £25m or so we spent on Ramirez, Rodriguez, Forren and Mayuka. Do you not think that for £25m on 4 you'd expect at least one of them to have proven they were money well spent by now and be one of our best players?

Edited 12 March, 2013 by Turkish

[Olallana]

I'm not saying they are bad signings but for £35m I expected one or two to be our top performers and stand out this season, the simple fact is they haven't, our best and most consistent players were ones that were already here. The irony being that of the three news signings that you list as our second tier of best players they were 3 of the 4 cheapest. By your own admission of from your list of players who have performed compared to the rest we haven't had value from the £25m or so we spent on Ramirez, Rodriguez, Forren and Mayuka. Do you not think that for £25m on 4 you'd expect at least one of them to have proven they were money well spent by now and be one of our best players?

 

You think there is a factor that the players that were here already knew more about the system Adkins wanted us to play, that they were part of a team that has played well together for 1-2 years and therefore has been better if you look over the whole season so far?

 

If you compare all the players under the new system that all players start at the same level at, which ones has been the best during this time?

[The Kraken]

You think there is a factor that the players that were here already knew more about the system Adkins wanted us to play, that they were part of a team that has played well together for 1-2 years and therefore has been better if you look over the whole season so far?

 

If you compare all the players under the new system that all players start at the same level at, which ones has been the best during this time?

 

This season has had a new system introduced altogether. Previously we played 4-4-2; this season 4-5-1. Gaston Ramirez effectively had a position created for him, at the expense of Billy Sharp.

[Turkish]

You think there is a factor that the players that were here already knew more about the system Adkins wanted us to play, that they were part of a team that has played well together for 1-2 years and therefore has been better if you look over the whole season so far?

 

If you compare all the players under the new system that all players start at the same level at, which ones has been the best during this time?

 

Why isn't that the case for Lallana then? He's been relatively average at best.

[Olallana]

Why isn't that the case for Lallana then? He's been relatively average at best.

 

As I said (but probably should have highlighted it), is it a factor??

And why should it apply to EVERY player, maybe there are different factors to it?

Maybe because Lallana isn´t PL level yet, the others are?

[Turkish]

As I said (but probably should have highlighted it), is it a factor??

And why should it apply to EVERY player, maybe there are different factors to it?

Maybe because Lallana isn´t PL level yet, the others are?

 

As Krackers said we're playing a different system now, so it doesn't seem to be so.

[Olallana]

Oh where is the door....?

Oh there....(take the easy way out)

 

That´s my best impersonation of you Turk, but I should have known you weren´t up for an honest discussion.

 

I have heard of "opposite day", but "opposite life" is a new one to me....

[Turkish]

Oh where is the door....?

Oh there....(take the easy way out)

 

That´s my best impersonation of you Turk, but I should have known you weren´t up for an honest discussion.

 

I have heard of "opposite day", but "opposite life" is a new one to me....

 

What are you bleating on about now? You said are the players better because they were used to the system, I answered no because we're playing a different system. Not difficult to understand is it.

[Saint Garrett]

Don't really rate Puncheon this season, think he has flattered to deceive, although he's contributed some important goals there is a reason he's been on the bench recently. Fonte has improved after being woeful at the start but Yoshida has been our most consistent centre back. Can't really argue with Morgan and Lambert. Cork is up there but Boruc, Yoshida and Clyne have played better than Fonte and Puncheon for me.

 

As many other have said if we'd stuck with Boruc instead of dropping him we'd be a good 6 points plus better off now and pretty much safe. I said ages ago that if we got him in the team we'd have a keeper earning us points, not costing us points and he has done that. He may have only played 12 games but he's been very important in the last 8 or 9.

 

All those players I've mentioned have improved on their championship counterparts.

 

Boruc is better than Davis.

Yoshida is better than Hooiveld

Clyne is better than Richardson

Jay Rod is better than Sharp

Gaston is better than Guly.

 

They have all improved the team and raised the standard of the squad. Surely that's an instant impact?

 

Why would you buy players to replace your better players? Our better players in the championship were Lallana, Lambert, Morgan, Cork, Fonte, you replace your weak links first, othwerwise we would end up with the likes of Lallana and Lambert on the bench as their 'better' replacements were let down by Richardson, Hooiveld and co. Would our squad be worse or better wihout those players we have brought in?

 

Edit: I forgot Shaw, although in recent weeks I think he was dropped he's still amongst our top performers.

 

Stand out top 2 is Morgan and Lambert, the next 3 for me are from Yoshida, Clyne, Boruc, Shaw and Cork.

 

Agree. I just wasn't going to waste my time with him.

[Turkish]

Agree. I just wasn't going to waste my time with him.

 

Because you knew you'd lost the argument.

[Olallana]

What are you bleating on about now? You said are the players better because they were used to the system, I answered no because we're playing a different system. Not difficult to understand is it.

 

From my post.

 

that they were part of a team that has played well together for 1-2 years

 

And by the way, system is not ALL about how you put your players on to the lineup sheet.

Even though that´s an excusable football manager illness for a lot of the people here I guess....

[Saint Garrett]

Because you knew you'd lost the argument.

 

Nope, because I have been at work.

 

Fact is two or three of our players who have been here before this season (Cork, Morgan and Shaw) are as good as anyone at our level. It's no surprise that some of our players aren't playing every week.

[Turkish]

Nope, because I have been at work.

 

Fact is two or three of our players who have been here before this season (Cork, Morgan and Shaw) are as good as anyone at our level. It's no surprise that some of our players aren't playing every week.

 

But we didn't sign a left back or central midfielders to replace or even compete with them, so they would play. It's the ones in other positions that we signed for big money who haven't stepped up.

[The Kraken]

Nope, because I have been at work.

 

Fact is two or three of our players who have been here before this season (Cork, Morgan and Shaw) are as good as anyone at our level. It's no surprise that some of our players aren't playing every week.

 

Actually it is. If you can point out any other club outside the top 8 who have spent £7M on a player in the last season or two who isn't a regular starting player and yet is considered a success, I'd be interested to hear it. Similarly a club our size who have spent £12M on a player who has had as little effect as Ramirez has, yet is considered a really good signing.

 

There won't be many.

 

The players we have that have come in and done really well have been our lower cost signings. Lambert, Cork, Schneiderlin, Puncheon, Fonte from previous seasons. this season Clyne, Boruc after Christmas and to a lesser extent IMO Yoshida. Ramirez and Rodriguez, the jury is still well and truly out. Mayuka, who knows.

[Saint Garrett]

We can clearly afford it though, so our transfer strategy is different to that of other clubs. If we spent £8m on Gaston, people would probably say he was a good signing. I almost think because we've never spent that kind of money before, our fans are suddenly expecting these players to be world class.

[Olallana]

Actually it is. If you can point out any other club outside the top 8 who have spent £7M on a player in the last season or two who isn't a regular starting player and yet is considered a success, I'd be interested to hear it. Similarly a club our size who have spent £12M on a player who has had as little effect as Ramirez has, yet is considered a really good signing.

 

There won't be many.

 

The players we have that have come in and done really well have been our lower cost signings. Lambert, Cork, Schneiderlin, Puncheon, Fonte from previous seasons. this season Clyne, Boruc after Christmas and to a lesser extent IMO Yoshida. Ramirez and Rodriguez, the jury is still well and truly out. Mayuka, who knows.

 

Well, Jarvis springs to mind...

 

And signing one of the (if not the) hottest young prospect from the Championship. Is that all about how he will perform the first 8 months at the club when signing him for 4 years?

 

I said on another thread that in two years time those £7m will look like a bargain and being one of the clubs best business.

[Olallana]

We can clearly afford it though, so our transfer strategy is different to that of other clubs. If we spent £8m on Gaston, people would probably say he was a good signing. I almost think because we've never spent that kind of money before, our fans are suddenly expecting these players to be world class.

 

That´s on the nail.....fans are stuck in the "small poor club" mentality.

I think one of the most ridicolous things about the club is that up to last summer £4m signing Rory Delap was our biggest spending....says alot to me about the lack of ambition previous chairmans has had....

[The Kraken]

We can clearly afford it though, so our transfer strategy is different to that of other clubs. If we spent £8m on Gaston, people would probably say he was a good signing. I almost think because we've never spent that kind of money before, our fans are suddenly expecting these players to be world class.

 

Whether we can afford it or not is an entirely different subject, so much so that its largely irrelevant. Liverpool spent some £100M+ on players under Dalglish; they could afford it but for the most part it was considered an enormous waste of money on certain players.

 

If you spend the 7th highest total in Europe on transfers then I do expect some sort of return. That's not high expectations, that's just realism. In reverse I expected less from Boruc, Yoshida, and clyne but they've contributed far more despite their relatively modest transfer fees. Like it ir not its how transfers are judged, and our higher value transfers (JRod, Ramirez, Mayuka) haven't had nearly the impact some of our others have had, and therefore haven't justified their large sums spent.

[Turkish]

Well, Jarvis springs to mind...

 

And signing one of the (if not the) hottest young prospect from the Championship. Is that all about how he will perform the first 8 months at the club when signing him for 4 years?

 

I said on another thread that in two years time those £7m will look like a bargain and being one of the clubs best business.

 

Of course they will because like all saints signings he is guaranteed to improve, nailed on. There is no possible way on earth he wouldn't. It is impossible for him to be a Francis Jeffers or David Nugent.

[Olallana]

Whether we can afford it or not is an entirely different subject, so much so that its largely irrelevant. Liverpool spent some £100M+ on players under Dalglish; they could afford it but for the most part it was considered an enormous waste of money on certain players.

 

If you spend the 7th highest total in Europe on transfers then I do expect some sort of return. That's not high expectations, that's just realism. In reverse I expected less from Boruc, Yoshida, and clyne but they've contributed far more despite their relatively modest transfer fees. Like it ir not its how transfers are judged, and our higher value transfers (JRod, Ramirez, Mayuka) haven't had nearly the impact some of our others have had, and therefore haven't justified their large sums spent.

 

Into a squad that had one of the lowest value going into the season looking at the 5 best leagues in Europe.....

[Olallana]

Of course they will because like all saints signings he is guaranteed to improve, nailed on. There is no possible way on earth he wouldn't. It is impossible for him to be a Francis Jeffers or David Nugent.

 

Did I say that Jarvis wont turn out to be a success for them?

 

No, as usual you read things that aren´t there and dont read the things that are....

 

And by the way, you really do a lot of references to David Nugent all the time on this forum...

You really ARE a skate, aren´t you??

[The Kraken]

Into a squad that had one of the lowest value going into the season looking at the 5 best leagues in Europe.....

 

So what? We're judging on individual players. Clyne, Boruc, Yoshida all cost £2.5M or less and have made a very positive impact in such a cheap side. By contrast, in particularly Rodriguez and mayuka have not. Ramirez had a position created for him and has massively flattered to deceive IMO.

 

If Clyne had been bought and not got in the side ahead of Richardson, one would ask why we bothered spending £2.5M on a reserve right back. The same is true of Rodriguez; we spent £7M on a replacement for Lambert which turned sour and we have a player who has hardly played on his own up front in the 1 of the 4-5-1 the whole club wants us to prioritise.

[Olallana]

So what? We're judging on individual players. Clyne, Boruc, Yoshida all cost £2.5M or less and have made a very positive impact in such a cheap side.

 

If Clyne had been bought and not got in the side ahead of Richardosn, one would ask why we bothered spending £2.5M on a reserve right back. The same is true of Rodriguez; we spent £7M on a replacement for Lambert which turned sour and we have a player who has hardly played on his own up front in the 1 of the 4-5-1 the whole club wants us to prioritise.

 

I hate to destroy your illusion but I will....

 

Defensive players cost a lot less than attacking players....

[Saint Garrett]

I agree and have always said that we have overpaid for those 3. However you don't get anything for a few million these days. If Clyne has a contract he probably would have cost 5/6m and Davis would have probably cost 3 or 4m, but because they were free, and we could offer them a decent wage a first team football, they wanted to come here. Same with Boruc (although a little different as noone else realy wanted him) It's very easy to just say, 'It's been 6 months, we paid 6m for him he hasn't done enough, it was a waste', but there are a lot more other factors IMO.

 

The fact Gaston was reportedly one of the hottest talents in Europe, meant we were always going to have to pay a lot of money for him. If you want to buy a young player with a lot of potential and a few people after him, they are expensive. We obviously thought that these players would improve over time and that we had enough about us to stay up this season.

 

I'll make a decision as to whether they were a waste of money once they leave and I can rate their contribution while here, and how much they cost us net in transfer fees.

Mayuka I really don't get though.

[Turkish]

Did I say that Jarvis wont turn out to be a success for them?

 

No, as usual you read things that aren´t there and dont read the things that are....

 

And by the way, you really do a lot of references to David Nugent all the time on this forum...

You really ARE a skate, aren´t you??

 

Since when has Jarvis been a Saints player? I was talking about Rodriguez and your insistence that he was bound to be a success and its impossible for him to fail. What was that about only reading what you want to?

Edited 12 March, 2013 by Turkish

[The Kraken]

I hate to destroy your illusion but I will....

 

Defensive players cost a lot less than attacking players....

 

What a weak comeback. Dear me. Yes, there have been no expensive defenders ever. Christ.

[Turkish]

I agree and have always said that we have overpaid for those 3. However you don't get anything for a few million these days. If Clyne has a contract he probably would have cost 5/6m and Davis would have probably cost 3 or 4m, but because they were free, and we could offer them a decent wage a first team football, they wanted to come here. Same with Boruc (although a little different as noone else realy wanted him) It's very easy to just say, 'It's been 6 months, we paid 6m for him he hasn't done enough, it was a waste', but there are a lot more other factors IMO.

 

The fact Gaston was reportedly one of the hottest talents in Europe, meant we were always going to have to pay a lot of money for him. If you want to buy a young player with a lot of potential and a few people after him, they are expensive. We obviously thought that these players would improve over time and that we had enough about us to stay up this season.

 

I'll make a decision as to whether they were a waste of money once they leave and I can rate their contribution while here, and how much they cost us net in transfer fees.

Mayuka I really don't get though.

 

So you agree that £25m has been spent on players that haven't really performed to their values so far then?

[Saint Garrett]

I don't think I've ever said any different. I like the players we bought in, I think they are decent. However they're expensive.

[CB Fry]

Into a squad that had one of the lowest value going into the season looking at the 5 best leagues in Europe.....

 

 

 

Hate to destroy your illusion but I will.... that sounds like almost every single club that has ever been promoted to the Premier League.

[The Kraken]

I agree and have always said that we have overpaid for those 3. However you don't get anything for a few million these days. If Clyne has a contract he probably would have cost 5/6m and Davis would have probably cost 3 or 4m, but because they were free, and we could offer them a decent wage a first team football, they wanted to come here. Same with Boruc (although a little different as noone else realy wanted him) It's very easy to just say, 'It's been 6 months, we paid £6m for him he hasn't done enough, it was a waste', but there are a lot more other factors IMO.

 

First of all it was £7M, not £6M. Lets get that right.

 

The fact Gaston was reportedly one of the hottest talents in Europe, meant we were always going to have to pay a lot of money for him. If you want to buy a young player with a lot of potential and a few people after him, they are expensive. We obviously thought that these players would improve over time and that we had enough about us to stay up this season.

 

And there's another point. Plenty of us have said that going after predominantly young, up and coming players for your marquee signings is not the only way to go about things. That there was perhaps some logic in instead spending big on a more established PL or top league star, if we were going to spend £12M and pay extremely high wages.

 

I'll make a decision as to whether they were a waste of money once they leave and I can rate their contribution while here, and how much they cost us net in transfer fees.

Mayuka I really don't get though.

 

So you'll make a decision when they leave, except for some players who you won't wait that long. Fair enough.

[Olallana]

Since when has Jarvis been a Saints player? I was talking about Rodriguez and your insistence that he was bound to be a success and its impossible for him to fail.

 

And have I said that Rodriguez will be a great success?

No, but I do think it´s mental to make judgements on a signing after 8 months, especially on a young hot prospect.

 

But how is it with the constans Nugent references, you seemed to "miss" answering that...?

[Olallana]

Hate to bust your illusion but that sounds like almost every single club that has ever been promoted to the Premier League.

 

Yep, and that´s why I for one dont think spending £35m is that strange considering we have financial backing from our owners.

It´s a different world now compared to 2005, but people seem to not understand that.

[Saint Garrett]

First of all it was £7M, not £6M. Lets get that right.

 

 

 

And there's another point. Plenty of us have said that going after predominantly young, up and coming players for your marquee signings is not the only way to go about things. That there was perhaps some logic in instead spending big on a more established PL or top league star, if we were going to spend £12M and pay extremely high wages.

 

 

 

So you'll make a decision when they leave, except for some players who you won't wait that long. Fair enough.

 

I have never said we couldn't have done better with what we spent.

 

And not sure what you mean by the last sentence ?

[Olallana]

What a weak comeback. Dear me. Yes, there have been no expensive defenders ever. Christ.

 

Name the five most expensive ones from the top of your head, and then we can compare that to the 5 most expensive attacking players.

You think there will be any difference?

[CB Fry]

Yep, and that´s why I for one dont think spending £35m is that strange considering we have financial backing from our owners.

It´s a different world now compared to 2005, but people seem to not understand that.

 

Different for West Brom and Swansea, two solid mid table teams spending nothing like we have on individuals?

[Saint Garrett]

Different for West Brom and Swansea, two solid mid table teams spending nothing like we have on individuals?

 

For every West Brom and Swansea there is a QPR and Sunderland...