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KelvinsRightGlove

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If they get relegated they are screwed no one is arguing that at all, but at least they had the balls to try it, they have done it at 100% where as our mincy board have neither given the manager (Adkins) the trust or backing to sign players and I am pretty pretty sure he did not spend £12 Million on Ramirez which in irony turns out to be a shocking investment ego signing thats failed, who gets the questions for that?

 

If we go down who gets the questions for failing to sign the correct players?

How many players will go?

Where will the money from the sales go?

Who will we bring in?

Is this part of the five year plan?

If not whats the contingency?

When was the contingency plan drawn up or did we go in blind, I wont say gung ho as we have not gone in gung ho and bought left right and centre.

 

Do you have the memory of a goldfish. How many examples of clubs going belly up do you want to realise that this approach you seem to be lauding is a seriously bad one.

 

Are you totally blind to what has happened to clubs the size of Leeds, whose 'balls' have meant a very big club (strong argument to say Leeds are bigger than Saints) they have been away from the top flight for nearly 10 years, and had a longer stint in League One than ourselves.

 

Or what happened to us, when we went ballsy with Burley in the Championship.

 

Or Portsmouth, who ran up in excess of £100m worth of debt for an FA Cup and a runners-up medal.

 

Do I want us to go down? No, obviously not.

 

Do I want us to still have a club, not reduced to a shell of it's former self if the worst does happen, massively no.

 

So yeah, I'm ok with us 'doing it on the cheap' and spending a measly £35m on transfers this season. Oh boo-frickin'-hoo it's so awful being a Saints fan.

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Barry Sanchez

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Do you have the memory of a goldfish. How many examples of clubs going belly up do you want to realise that this approach you seem to be lauding is a seriously bad one.

 

Are you totally blind to what has happened to clubs the size of Leeds, whose 'balls' have meant a very big club (strong argument to say Leeds are bigger than Saints) they have been away from the top flight for nearly 10 years, and had a longer stint in League One than ourselves.

 

Or what happened to us, when we went ballsy with Burley in the Championship.

 

Or Portsmouth, who ran up in excess of £100m worth of debt for an FA Cup and a runners-up medal.

 

Do I want us to go down? No, obviously not.

 

Do I want us to still have a club, not reduced to a shell of it's former self if the worst does happen, massively no.

 

So yeah, I'm ok with us 'doing it on the cheap' and spending a measly £35m on transfers this season. Oh boo-frickin'-hoo it's so awful being a Saints fan.

 

Who said QPR's way was wise, its brave and their owner has the money to cover it but if he goes?

 

So what we consign ourselves to struggle and let the pseudo owner buy whoever he wants for what seems a vastly overrated amount?

 

West Ham seem to be doing average in the grand scheme of things, we had a head start over tham as well.

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KelvinsRightGlove

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Who said QPR's way was wise, its brave and their owner has the money to cover it but if he goes?

 

So what we consign ourselves to struggle and let the pseudo owner buy whoever he wants for what seems a vastly overrated amount?

 

West Ham seem to be doing average in the grand scheme of things, we had a head start over tham as well.

 

You are the one using QPR's transfers as an example of what we should have done. I am the one saying I would rather we didn't.

 

Read the post again Baz, I have not once used the word wise, I used balls/y - which was the term you used.

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Really their owner has a worth of about £300 Million and thats personal wealth, carry on.

 

You seem to be getting a little muddled Barry. You said 'they are screwed' now you are suggesting relegation is not a problem as their owner won't walk away but will use his own 'personal wealth' to bankroll them. That's OK then. This strategy appeared to work very well down the road.

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Barry Sanchez

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You seem to be getting a little muddled Barry. You said 'they are screwed' now you are suggesting relegation is not a problem as their owner won't walk away but will use his own 'personal wealth' to bankroll them. That's OK then. This strategy appeared to work very well down the road.

 

Worked quite well for QPR's team down the road and also Fulham, they are screwed if he pulls the money out thats my point, if he stays then he will surely bankroll them.

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our form is poor and is obviously a concern but there is hope as we have been playing pretty well majority of the time. reading are down, 5 defeats on the spin, not playing well and have man utd and arsenal up next. if wigan play like they did at everton they have a good chance of staying up but there inconsistency means they struggle to gain momentum. will have to wait and see if cup run impact sthem in a negative way. villa are good going forward but extremely shaky at the back but have a favourable run in. QPR seem to be having a lot of fortune at the moment, I wouldnt say they are playing that well, scrappy if anything, just other teams are imploding against them (us and sunderland). however looking at there next 6 games they are all winnable on paper. They could have enough points in the bag to stay up before there last 3 games which are tricky. i think we need at least 3 points from liverpool and chelsea otherwise we could be in the bottom 3 which could really dent our confidence make those remaining winnable games even harder.

 

not going to predict other than reading to go down as it is way too close to call.

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Who said QPR's way was wise, its brave and their owner has the money to cover it but if he goes?

 

Mittal will step in and he is Britains richest man, he already tried to buy the club before.

 

As for going down, the loser of the Villa QPR game, Reading and one other, it could even be Sunderland who have one point in 6 games. If you take the table from when Harry took over, QPR would be in 9th place in the league so he has done a great job and should have won by more on Saturday, we can do it but not if we lose at Villa.

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Really their owner has a worth of about £300 Million and thats personal wealth, carry on.

 

3 people share 66% of the club, they are worth about a billion combined. If they leave, Mittal owns the other third and hes worth many, many billions. Theres only trouble if all of them leave.

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Barry Sanchez

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Mittal will step in and he is Britains richest man, he already tried to buy the club before.

 

As for going down, the loser of the Villa QPR game, Reading and one other, it could even be Sunderland who have one point in 6 games. If you take the table from when Harry took over, QPR would be in 9th place in the league so he has done a great job and should have won by more on Saturday, we can do it but not if we lose at Villa.

 

Dont let the clappers see you are saying Redknapp is doing a good job, they will huff and puff and think of a bull**** Cortese or Ramirez stat....................

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3 people share 66% of the club, they are worth about a billion combined. If they leave, Mittal owns the other third and hes worth many, many billions. Theres only trouble if all of them leave.

 

Other Saints fans fail to see this, the cult of Cortese has blinded them from the reality of doing it on the cheap.

 

They alos forget to mention he stated we would never be relegated under him leadership, I laughed at this at the time and I not only laugh at this now I laugh at the people who actually believed it, these are the Billy Grahams of football, the cling on plastic who knows little about the game.

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KelvinsRightGlove

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Other Saints fans fail to see this, the cult of Cortese has blinded them from the reality of doing it on the cheap.

 

They alos forget to mention he stated we would never be relegated under him leadership, I laughed at this at the time and I not only laugh at this now I laugh at the people who actually believed it, these are the Billy Grahams of football, the cling on plastic who knows little about the game.

 

How is £35m 'on the cheap'?

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If they do and we fail to stay up, whos policy is correct then?

Will Cortese acknowledge this?

Will he step down?

 

Will he ********.

 

Why should he step down? Seriously, answer that.

 

Do you require him to do that as some ridiculous code of honour of yours. You've taken us down, Cortese, so you must do the honourable thing and fall on your sword? :rolleyes:

 

Name me some other chief executives/owners that have stepped down because their clubs were relegated.

 

He will remain as long as he has the confidence of the Liebherrs or as long as he maintains his interest in the job. As the future under any other owners is uncertain, I'd happily continue to have him in charge, regardless of whether we were relegated or not.

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KelvinsRightGlove

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If they do and we fail to stay up, whos policy is correct then?

Will Cortese acknowledge this?

Will he step down?

 

Will he ********.

 

Why should he?

 

Are you actually saying that he played no part in the two promotions, but is solely to blame for relegation?

 

It will be a disappointment and a set-back, but it really won't be the end of the world.

 

I still think the chances of QPR staying up and us going down are pretty slim. For all their amazing turn-around (2 wins), they are still 5 points behind us. What you are effectively saying is that the 4 teams below us, after 29 games, are suddenly going to be better that us in the final 9 games.

 

Personally, I think this is unlikely.

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Barry Sanchez

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Why should he step down? Seriously, answer that.

 

Do you require him to do that as some ridiculous code of honour of yours. You've taken us down, Cortese, so you must do the honourable thing and fall on your sword? :rolleyes:

 

Name me some other chief executives/owners that have stepped down because their clubs were relegated.

 

He will remain as long as he has the confidence of the Liebherrs or as long as he maintains his interest in the job. As the future under any other owners is uncertain, I'd happily continue to have him in charge, regardless of whether we were relegated or not.

 

The reason of him stepping down is the same as I would expect any manager in the same situation to do, he has taken most of the decisions and if we were relegated most of them would appear to be incorrect, how could the Leibherrs have faith in that or the supporters?

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The reason of him stepping down is the same as I would expect any manager in the same situation to do, he has taken most of the decisions and if we were relegated most of them would appear to be incorrect, how could the Leibherrs have faith in that or the supporters?

 

You are now just pulling stuff out of the air.

 

You are now basically claiming Cortese is running the club ala Flavio Briatore at QPR. With no evidence.

 

Football has changed from the old days. It's pretty common at most clubs for the manager not to be solely in charge of players who come in, they instead identify areas that need strengthening and scouts find appropriate players, which are then presented to the manager and chairman (who has to make financial decisions), and then the signing process is often left to the chairman.

 

Or are you going to stick to Turks made up (by his own admission) idea that Guly had a 15 minute appearance clause in his contract.

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You are now just pulling stuff out of the air.

 

You are now basically claiming Cortese is running the club ala Flavio Briatore at QPR. With no evidence.

 

Football has changed from the old days. It's pretty common at most clubs for the manager not to be solely in charge of players who come in, they instead identify areas that need strengthening and scouts find appropriate players, which are then presented to the manager and chairman (who has to make financial decisions), and then the signing process is often left to the chairman.

 

Or are you going to stick to Turks made up (by his own admission) idea that Guly had a 15 minute appearance clause in his contract.

 

Who bought Ramirez and Mayuka?

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Who bought Ramirez and Mayuka?

 

Prove it.

 

Let me guess, Adkins (a football manager, that has been in football all his life) had never heard of either, but Cortese, who knows nothing about football knew these players and decided to sign them.

 

Maybe, just maybe, those people who are employed by the club to SCOUT for players that can potentially improve the squad suggested them.

 

Or is it a case of, I haven't heard of them, so Adkins can't possibly have either?

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I thought Cortese had contacts all over football? Are you now saying he signed the cheques and did not know what he was signing?

 

Once again you are arguing with the ether, putting words in other peoples mouths.

 

What I said, is that he may actually be listening to the people he pays to tell him about players.

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Barry Sanchez

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What, the guy that was tasked with, and successfully kept Espanyol in La Liga when first appointed?

 

That the Espanyol fans could not wait to get rid of, yes that the guy, mediocre football and got the boot after gaining 9 points out of 13 games...................

 

They are now safe in 13th place.....................................

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Once again you are arguing with the ether, putting words in other peoples mouths.

 

What I said, is that he may actually be listening to the people he pays to tell him about players.

 

Who are these scouts resonsible for these signings?

Because they should not be involved in tyro league football let alone the serious stuff.

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The reason of him stepping down is the same as I would expect any manager in the same situation to do, he has taken most of the decisions and if we were relegated most of them would appear to be incorrect, how could the Leibherrs have faith in that or the supporters?

 

You're priceless! Cortese isn't the manager, but you infer that as most of the important decisions have been his, so he ought to act like a manager, even though he is the proxy Chief Executive on behalf of the owners. Genius.

 

Any sign of a response from you to my request for a the names of some other chief executives who stood down following their club's relegation? Or do you excuse yourself from answering that with the caveat that they would have had to have taken decisions that caused the relegation?

 

I'm sure that if the Liebherrs come to consider whether they should give Cortese the bullet, they'll find your advice to them invaluable. Do you have any other advice as to how they could increase their already considerable wealth?

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You're priceless! Cortese isn't the manager, but you infer that as most of the important decisions have been his, so he ought to act like a manager, even though he is the proxy Chief Executive on behalf of the owners. Genius.

 

Any sign of a response from you to my request for a the names of some other chief executives who stood down following their club's relegation? Or do you excuse yourself from answering that with the caveat that they would have had to have taken decisions that caused the relegation?

 

I'm sure that if the Liebherrs come to consider whether they should give Cortese the bullet, they'll find your advice to them invaluable. Do you have any other advice as to how they could increase their already considerable wealth?

 

Yes, sell Southampton, who bought Ramirez and Mayuka? Who gave the go ahead?

Many directors on board have resigned due to footballing issue, Liverpools Hicks and Gillette, the board at Ajax, Valdano at Madrid.

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Yes, sell Southampton, who bought Ramirez and Mayuka? Who gave the go ahead?

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I don't know and neither do you. Of course Cortese gave the go-ahead. Do you think for one second that the chief executive should not sanction the expenditure of several millions of £s? :rolleyes:

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When first appointed they were as other on 0 points, he left them with 9 points bottom of the table, they are now in 13th place safe from relegation? Is there anything wrong in that?

 

Were they relegated during his tenure?

 

I was also actually referring to the season he was appointed, when they were in a relegation battle, and he kept them up.

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Were they relegated during his tenure?

 

I was also actually referring to the season he was appointed, when they were in a relegation battle, and he kept them up.

 

You see that bares no relevance as I was refering to his last season at a club, hardly glowing is it, one they are bottom when he leaves and two now he has left they are safe.

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You see that bares no relevance as I was refering to his last season at a club, hardly glowing is it, one they are bottom when he leaves and two now he has left they are safe.

 

Well it does, because that is what I was referring to, when I mentioned it first.

 

You decided to mention his last season after this. So yes, it is of significance. Yet another example of you missing the point of a post, and putting your own meaning on it.

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Well it does, because that is what I was referring to, when I mentioned it first.

 

You decided to mention his last season after this. So yes, it is of significance. Yet another example of you missing the point of a post, and putting your own meaning on it.

 

I think we all put our own meaning on it to be fair hence the differing of opinions.

He had no history when first employed an manager so why would I refer to it? Why would the manager of Espanyol in his first year with no experience interest any Saints fan? Its what he did in the last season that really matters surely? Or it matters to me.

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I think we all put our own meaning on it to be fair hence the differing of opinions.

He had no history when first employed an manager so why would I refer to it? Why would the manager of Espanyol in his first year with no experience interest any Saints fan? Its what he did in the last season that really matters surely? Or it matters to me.

 

Please Barry, read what I'm saying first. I don't think that is too unreasonable to ask.

 

I posted that in response to a post that stated we had someone in charge that had no experience of a relegation battle. So, this was of relevance in the context I made it.

 

I'm not saying what happened at the end is of no significance. That is just not to what I was referring.

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