Who will go down?

[Turkish]

/\ forget Swansea too. They are class at home and the way they play will mean they'll pick us off.

[Micky]

I just think that our confidence will be shot to pieces after the next two games. We failed to hold on for a couple of minutes at Wigan, lost at home to QPR - not exactly glowing endorsements for any of our upcoming games. Therefore it really is difficult to see where the points will come from. Also not too confident that 37 points will be enough either.

[Turkish]

I just think that our confidence will be shot to pieces after the next two games. We failed to hold on for a couple of minutes at Wigan, lost at home to QPR - not exactly glowing endorsements for any of our upcoming games. Therefore it really is difficult to see where the points will come from. Also not too confident that 37 points will be enough either.

 

Those lost points at Wigan will come back to haunt us.

[110_Persaint]

If anything comes back to haunt us it would be the two Van Persie goals. Had we just kept our concentration and those not gone in, just how different would the season have turned out. I'm guessing we'd all be on here debating whether we can make the Champions League or just have to settle for Europa. (I'd be in the former!)

[Micky]

Those lost points at Wigan will come back to haunt us.

 

For once I tend to agree with you. It's moments like that which you tend to group with losing 3 - 4 to Leeds, Peter Crouch shooting straight at the keeper against Everton instead of putting it into row Z. The nightmares just persist......

[OttawaSaint]

For once I tend to agree with you. It's moments like that which you tend to group with losing 3 - 4 to Leeds, Peter Crouch shooting straight at the keeper against Everton instead of putting it into row Z. The nightmares just persist......

 

Other parallels could be Prutton's miss vs West Brom (finished 0-0) and Lallana's miss on Saturday...

[shirleysfc]

Those lost points at Wigan will come back to haunt us.

 

And Stoke (a), Norwich (h), Swansea (h)...

[modern matron]

I've not looked at this forum for weeks but bloody hell we're doomed listening to you lot! Seems to me we're pulling clear slowly and playing well so keep the faith....

[modern matron]

I so hope I am wrong, but unless we start picking up a few wins soon then I do fear for our survival. We can write off the next two games against Liverpool and Chelsea and then we face a must-win against Reading. If we were to lose that game, then we would be in serious trouble. Of our last six games, forget Tottenham away - that leaves us to pick up points from West Ham, Swansea (A), West Brom, Sunderland (A) and Stoke. We have to try and get at 12 points from those games or we may just shoot ourselves in the foot. COYS!

 

Why can't we get something from both games? What negative nonsense...

[sotonjoe]

I've not looked at this forum for weeks but bloody hell we're doomed listening to you lot! Seems to me we're pulling clear slowly and playing well so keep the faith....

 

Maths obviously not your strong point.

[Hedgehog]

Any team from Fulham downwards are still in it ie. those teams have 33 points, any one can still be dragged into it. But as games go on, then there is obviously less games left to catch up, but at current standings games played, even on 33 points you still are looking below yourselves in the table rather than above.

[Baldbarbarian]

Sunderland,Reading,Villa for me

 

QPR will get out of it and the media will be druelling all over Harry

[Glasgow_Saint]

Sunderland,Reading,Villa for me

 

QPR will get out of it and the media will be druelling all over Harry

 

They are already calling him Harry Houdini - makes me sick

[Turkish]

Sunderland,Reading,Villa for me

 

QPR will get out of it and the media will be druelling all over Harry

 

IF they do stay up then you'd have to say he's done an incredible job, wouldn't you.

[pingwing]

QPR 18th, Villa 19th, Reading 20th.

 

Chances are we will beat Liverpool and Swansea just because they both try and play properly, the chances of either team sticking 10 men behind the ball are very low. Chelsea we can get another draw out of as they are staring to implode, WBA and Stoke are beatable and turning up at Reading who could already be pretty much done for should be ok. West ham we'll probably draw with Spurs and Sunderland being down to what they have to play for really.

[jjsaint]

I fear Twitch will send us down a second time.

 

17 QPR

------

18 Saints

19 Wigan

20 Reading

[Crowds]

16- Saints

17- QPR

18- Villa

19- Wigan

20- Reading

 

In my opinion!

 

Crowds

[Turkish]

QPR 18th, Villa 19th, Reading 20th.

 

Chances are we will beat Liverpool and Swansea just because they both try and play properly, the chances of either team sticking 10 men behind the ball are very low. Chelsea we can get another draw out of as they are staring to implode, WBA and Stoke are beatable and turning up at Reading who could already be pretty much done for should be ok. West ham we'll probably draw with Spurs and Sunderland being down to what they have to play for really.

 

Do you genuinely believe, as it seems you are suggesting, that we are going to win 5 of our last 9, given we've only won 6 all season.

Edited 11 March, 2013 by Turkish

[ToreSF]

Reading, Wigan and QPR for me. Two Swans doesn't make a summer for Harry, still think they are ****, and will go down. We need three wins and one draw from our last matches, and we'll be safe IMO. Wins against Reading, Hammers and Stoke, draw against West Brom. Easy as that.

[Bucks Saint]

QPR 18th, Villa 19th, Reading 20th.

 

Chances are we will beat Liverpool and Swansea just because they both try and play properly, the chances of either team sticking 10 men behind the ball are very low. Chelsea we can get another draw out of as they are staring to implode, WBA and Stoke are beatable and turning up at Reading who could already be pretty much done for should be ok. West ham we'll probably draw with Spurs and Sunderland being down to what they have to play for really.

 

Yep Chelsea and Liverpool looked really shaky yesterday

[austsaint]

QPR 18th, Villa 19th, Reading 20th.

 

Chances are we will beat Liverpool and Swansea just because they both try and play properly, the chances of either team sticking 10 men behind the ball are very low. Chelsea we can get another draw out of as they are staring to implode, WBA and Stoke are beatable and turning up at Reading who could already be pretty much done for should be ok. West ham we'll probably draw with Spurs and Sunderland being down to what they have to play for really.

 

A very optimistic forecast, but I so hope you're right. Our remaining games all look tricky, even Reading away.

[Barry Sanchez]

Can the clappers admit even a little bit we are in the ****e because we bought crap and our forwards are as accurate as Saddams scuds at the moment, others on the rise whilst we are faltering with a fellow who cant speak English.

[Baldbarbarian]

They are already calling him Harry Houdini - makes me sick

 

Yep I heard that a few times over the weekend, plus on the radio this morning. triffic triffic C***

 

IF they do stay up then you'd have to say he's done an incredible job, wouldn't you.

 

Yes unfortunately

Edited 11 March, 2013 by Baldbarbarian

[Whitey Grandad]

Can the clappers admit even a little bit we are in the ****e because we bought crap and our forwards are as accurate as Saddams scuds at the moment, others on the rise whilst we are faltering with a fellow who cant speak English.

 

He can speak English, probably better than Clattenburg.

[Barry Sanchez]

I wonder if spending a **** load now seems wise? Does to me if it assures premiership football or worth giving it a go, once again like in 2004/5 we are doing it on the cheap.

Is this part of the 5 year plan?

[Barry Sanchez]

He can speak English, probably better than Clattenburg.

 

No, no I doubt that.

[Turkish]

I wonder if spending a **** load now seems wise? Does to me if it assures premiership football or worth giving it a go, once again like in 2004/5 we are doing it on the cheap.

Is this part of the 5 year plan?

 

I seem to recall people saying around september time it doesn't matter if we go down this season as we are already ahead of the 5 year plan.

[Barry Sanchez]

I seem to recall people saying around september time it doesn't matter if we go down this season as we are already ahead of the 5 year plan.

 

Yes those sorts of bellends fail to think about who we will sell and what we will get and whether we will come up straight away, these sorts of clappers are fans we dont need, we need fans ready to question poor decisions not clap along saying how wonderful everything is and how Cortese is amazing, these people are too easily pleased.

 

We should have a higher opinion of ourselves and demand top flight football, not beg and whimper to be here.

[Dig Dig]

Yes those sorts of bellends fail to think about who we will sell and what we will get and whether we will come up straight away, these sorts of clappers are fans we dont need, we need fans ready to question poor decisions not clap along saying how wonderful everything is and how Cortese is amazing, these people are too easily pleased.

 

We should have a higher opinion of ourselves and demand top flight football, not beg and whimper to be here.

 

 

At least we would sell that useless ****e Ramirez though Bazza. Every cloud and all that...

[Greenridge]

these sorts of clappers are fans we dont need, we need fans ready to question poor decisions

 

 

And after they've questioned those 'poor decisions' what happens next?

[Barry Sanchez]

At least we would sell that useless ****e Ramirez though Bazza. Every cloud and all that...

 

True dat but flogging a my little show pony for £14 after shelling out £12 Million for him is not good business, even for those World known bargain hunter of footballers Nicky Cortese and Leslie Reed..........................

[Barry Sanchez]

And after they've questioned those 'poor decisions' what happens next?

 

Well you hopefully get answes for such poor purchases, you get Les Reed the **** out of football, you employ someone who has actually played the game (Ray Wilkins or someone of that ilk) and get them to oversee purchases, and you get Cortese there simply to sign cheques and not sign players.

 

You also get an apology for trying yet again to do it on the cheap.

[Avenue Saint]

Well you hopefully get answes for such poor purchases, you get Les Reed the **** out of football, you employ someone who has actually played the game (Ray Wilkins or someone of that ilk) and get them to oversee purchases, and you get Cortese there simply to sign cheques and not sign players.

 

You also get an apology for trying yet again to do it on the cheap.

 

Do you ever read back the crap you write? Seriously...

[Barry Sanchez]

No need to, but I did just for you and what? Stand by it.

[sunrise]

Us, wigan and qpr to go down. Sacking Adkins and bringing in Poncho hasn't exactly paid off right now.

[Greenridge]

Well you hopefully get answes for such poor purchases, you get Les Reed the **** out of football, you employ someone who has actually played the game (Ray Wilkins or someone of that ilk) and get them to oversee purchases, and you get Cortese there simply to sign cheques and not sign players.

 

You also get an apology for trying yet again to do it on the cheap.

 

Any ideas on timescales? This thread is about relegation for the 2012/13 season.

[paris]

God forbid we go down,the sacking of Nigel will be to blame without a shadow IMHO .

[Barry Sanchez]

God forbid we go down,the sacking of Nigel will be to blame without a shadow IMHO .

 

The clappers wil no doubt blame someone other than Cortese, Reed? At least thats something.

[Turkish]

The clappers wil no doubt blame someone other than Cortese, Reed? At least thats something.

 

That is guarenteed.

[ibizasaint]

Well you hopefully get answes for such poor purchases, you get Les Reed the **** out of football, you employ someone who has actually played the game (Ray Wilkins or someone of that ilk) and get them to oversee purchases, and you get Cortese there simply to sign cheques and not sign players.

 

You also get an apology for trying yet again to do it on the cheap.

 

Who do you think we could realistically have got without bankrupting ourselves in the close season?

 

am sure you are an alright bloke but who did you use to moan at before you came here? over 1000 posts of moaning in 3 months is good going ....

[Barry Sanchez]

Who do you think we could realistically have got without bankrupting ourselves in the close season?

 

am sure you are an alright bloke but who did you use to moan at before you came here? over 1000 posts of moaning in 3 months is good going ....

 

Not606 was my site of choice, they threw me off as their regime was one full of rainbows, self importance and self righteousness, glad to say this is better forum.

 

As for bankrupting ourselves? No not at all, we should of bought more and more wisely, I point to Norwich, West Brom, West Ham and even QPR as an example.

 

We bought Rodriguez and Ramirez for a combined total of between £18 Million to £19 Million, thats just a ****ing huge waste of money really isnt it?

[KelvinsRightGlove]

The clappers wil no doubt blame someone other than Cortese, Reed? At least thats something.

 

Apart from you, I barely see anyone else mention Reed. You appear to have some fixation with the bloke.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Not606 was my site of choice, they threw me off as their regime was one full of rainbows, self importance and self righteousness, glad to say this is better forum.

 

As for bankrupting ourselves? No not at all, we should of bought more and more wisely, I point to Norwich, West Brom, West Ham and even QPR as an example.

 

We bought Rodriguez and Ramirez for a combined total of between £18 Million to £19 Million, thats just a ****ing huge waste of money really isnt it?

 

How can you seriously point to QPR as an example in this case?

 

They have spent way more, pay way more in wages, and are still bottom of the league, like they have been the majority of the season, whereas it's been several months since we have even been in the bottom three, let alone the super-wise spending QPR.

 

As flawed arguments go, this is amongst the best.

[Barry Sanchez]

Why? They have put their money where their mouth is and gambled hugely, if they stay up was it worth it? Would we of done that? Of course we would, we have tried to do it on the cheap with one large ego signing that has not worked, Redknapp could just pull it off, salt in the wounds but I for one will admire the achievement.

I will always be fuming if we go down as we could of done something similar but bottled it, the clappers will still try and take some moral highground of not spending what we dont have and letting the academy players play, that comfort blanket is as transparent and the argument is hollow.

 

QPR is a valid example IF they stay up, as it stands I think they have the same if not more of a chance than we do of staying up.

 

MOMENTUM.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Why? They have put their money where their mouth is and gambled hugely, if they stay up was it worth it? Would we of done that? Of course we would, we have tried to do it on the cheap with one large ego signing that has not worked, Redknapp could just pull it off, salt in the wounds but I for one will admire the achievement.

I will always be fuming if we go down as we could of done something similar but bottled it, the clappers will still try and take some moral highground of not spending what we dont have and letting the academy players play, that comfort blanket is as transparent and the argument is hollow.

 

QPR is a valid example IF they stay up, as it stands I think they have the same if not more of a chance than we do of staying up.

 

MOMENTUM.

 

Amazing, the pampers posse were previously complaining how much we had spent and how much trouble we were going to be in as a result.

 

Now, it's a case of we were trying to do it on the cheap.

 

Funny how all the people who told us how crap Adkins was are now talking of him as the best manager ever, and calling his sacking the reason we will go down. Despite us still not being in the drop-zone, still 4 points clear, and having not been in the bottom 3 for months.

 

And despite all these amazing teams that are oh so much better than us, and us being so awful, despite a couple of wobbly results - they still haven't reeled us in.

 

Funny that, isn't it.

[pingwing]

Do you genuinely believe, as it seems you are suggesting, that we are going to win 5 of our last 9, given we've only won 6 all season.

 

I fancy a bit of optimism considering most the thread is doom and gloom, the way we have been playing football recently is very good and feel we have been quite unlucky not to get more out of the last few games (Wigan had exactly 2 chances in that draw, United could well have been a draw as well and well Newcastle was a very good showing despite conceding 4, 3 of which were debatable/very preventable) so there is a fair bit going for the side, just can't really deal with teams that play horrific negative hoof ball, like QPR and Norwich. Only really West Ham and Stoke left who play that...

 

Yep Chelsea and Liverpool looked really shaky yesterday

 

Both play a game that is much more attackable from our teams point of view, both like to pass it about and build up nice play, if we keep our concentration up and stick with the high pressure game we will be a lot more competitive in both games.

 

A very optimistic forecast, but I so hope you're right. Our remaining games all look tricky, even Reading away.

 

Reading is the one I am most nervous about really, if we let them have a sniff of a goal they will probably take it and shut up shop for a 1-0 which we have struggled to break down. Everyone else is less prone to doing this (or at least as over the top) which given our style of play should really help us.

[Greenridge]

Why? They have put their money where their mouth is and gambled hugely, if they stay up was it worth it?

 

 

And what if they get relegated, you don't seem to allow for that in your argument? There are plenty of current examples of what happens if it doesn't work out. Other than Remy (whose worth is yet to be proven) I don't see huge potential for asset stripping and as for Redknapps claim that they would get more than they paid (and indeed had an offer) for Samba I'll put that in the same filing tray as his stories on banking.

Edited 11 March, 2013 by Greenridge

[KelvinsRightGlove]

I fancy a bit of optimism considering most the thread is doom and gloom, the way we have been playing football recently is very good and feel we have been quite unlucky not to get more out of the last few games (Wigan had exactly 2 chances in that draw, United could well have been a draw as well and well Newcastle was a very good showing despite conceding 4, 3 of which were debatable/very preventable) so there is a fair bit going for the side, just can't really deal with teams that play horrific negative hoof ball, like QPR and Norwich. Only really West Ham and Stoke left who play that...

 

 

 

i

 

 

Both play a game that is much more attackable from our teams point of view, both like to pass it about and build up nice play, if we keep our concentration up and stick with the high pressure game we will be a lot more competitive in both games.

 

 

 

Reading is the one I am most nervous about really, if we let them have a sniff of a goal they will probably take it and shut up shop for a 1-0 which we have struggled to break down. Everyone else is less prone to doing this (or at least as over the top) which given our style of play should really help us.

 

Wrong. luck can only go against us. FACT.

 

i.e. We were lucky Boruc saved that penalty Saturday, but it was not unlucky that Newcastle scored an Offside goal, a dubious penalty, and a freak own goal. Or it was not unlucky that Rob Green probably made the best save he has ever made from Yoshida.

 

We are the doom-mongers, we make our own rules, and dislike consistency. FACT.

 

(saying fact in capitals makes what you are saying true, ask Turkish)

[Barry Sanchez]

And what if they get relegated, you don't seem to allow for that in your argument? There are plenty of current examples of what happnes if it doesn't work out. Other than Remy (whose worth is yet to be proven) I don't see huge potential for asset stripping and as for Redknapps claim that they would get more than they paid (and indeed had an offer) for Samba I'll put that in the same filing tray as his stories on banking.

 

If they get relegated they are screwed no one is arguing that at all, but at least they had the balls to try it, they have done it at 100% where as our mincy board have neither given the manager (Adkins) the trust or backing to sign players and I am pretty pretty sure he did not spend £12 Million on Ramirez which in irony turns out to be a shocking investment ego signing thats failed, who gets the questions for that?

 

If we go down who gets the questions for failing to sign the correct players?

How many players will go?

Where will the money from the sales go?

Who will we bring in?

Is this part of the five year plan?

If not whats the contingency?

When was the contingency plan drawn up or did we go in blind, I wont say gung ho as we have not gone in gung ho and bought left right and centre.

[pingwing]

Wrong. luck can only go against us. FACT.

 

i.e. We were lucky Boruc saved that penalty Saturday, but it was not unlucky that Newcastle scored an Offside goal, a dubious penalty, and a freak own goal. Or it was not unlucky that Rob Green probably made the best save he has ever made from Yoshida.

 

We are the doom-mongers, we make our own rules, and dislike consistency. FACT.

 

(saying fact in capitals makes what you are saying true, ask Turkish)

 

Haha! Sorry I forgot how the internet works, I will go think up a good chant how we finished 19th and Reading are 20th therefore they can stick their champ win up their arse because we finished one place above them in a better league....