OldNick Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 It is great that so many had faith in NA, I for one feel that we would be about the same or worse off now under NA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 It is great that so many had faith in NA, I for one feel that we would be about the same or worse off now under NA. Why do you think we would be worse off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 It is great that so many had faith in NA, I for one feel that we would be about the same or worse off now under NA. Any evidence?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 Our form under Adkins was mid table, under Tino its 4th bottom. Case closed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.REX Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 We averaged a point per game under Adkins. In the reverse fixtures against QPR, Newcastle, City, Norwich, Man U, Everton and Wigan we secured seven points - so again a point per game. However, it's fair to say Newcastle (and arguably QPR) are much tougher propositions now than when we played them earlier in the season. Then you've got to weigh up is consistency better than the 'new manager bounce'. I don't think there's a whole lot in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 Why do you think we would be worse off? I don't think we would have beaten Man city, we may not have come from a goal down at Wigan. I don't rate NA as a prem manager and his mad subs against Man U and Fulham cost us. There is no evidence either way only personal thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
110_Persaint Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 in mp's first seven games we have scored the same number of goals as na's last seven (premier league) but have 4 less points. however two of our goals were incredibly fortunate (man city) and we don't seem to be able to convert our chances as well as we used to. my mate was at the game yesterday (he's a norwich fan) and said we were by far the better team but our finishing was terrible. This. We almost put too much emphasis on possession (a poor man's tiki-taka) and "pressing" (running around like headless chickens til exhaustion) that he misses the focus of actually producing end product and scoring a goal. Nigel somehow managed to get us both end product and playing highly attractive football. He always said you have to 'win games of football' and I wholeheartedly agree. How free flowing were we scoring wise last season? MP reminds me of Wenger in the sense that he'd consider it an insult to change his philosophy or tactics in order to do what is necessary. He's as thick-headed as a nutshell in terms of football management, and that is why this muppet has to eventually go IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 This. We almost put too much emphasis on possession (a poor man's tiki-taka) and "pressing" (running around like headless chickens til exhaustion) that he misses the focus of actually producing end product and scoring a goal. Nigel somehow managed to get us both end product and playing highly attractive football. He always said you have to 'win games of football' and I wholeheartedly agree. How free flowing were we scoring wise last season? MP reminds me of Wenger in the sense that he'd consider it an insult to change his philosophy or tactics in order to do what is necessary. He's as thick-headed as a nutshell in terms of football management, and that is why this muppet has to eventually go IMO.MP is dealing with Adkins squad, I assume that he will in time build his own.At present Iam watching Coutinho who MP found and looks pretty useful. Hopefully he will keep us up and build an exciting team. As for the inane 'you have to win games' that is not rocket science, but taking off your best 3 players on the day when beating Man U with 25 minutes left is not clever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 MP is dealing with Adkins squad, I assume that he will in time build his own.At present Iam watching Coutinho who MP found and looks pretty useful. Hopefully he will keep us up and build an exciting team. As for the inane 'you have to win games' that is not rocket science, but taking off your best 3 players on the day when beating Man U with 25 minutes left is not clever. But there couold have been any number of reasons why he took off those players. For example, some of them could have been carrying knocks, been exhausted, had cramp. The changes might have been tactical, to tighten up the defence, to counter substitutions by the other team, or to introduce fresh pairs of legs. Do you know why the substitutions were made and can you categorically rule out any of the above? But then equally Pochettino left off Puncheon in our last match, arguably our most threateningly creative player recently and he played others out of position. Shall we call him tactically naive, or assume that there was some reason for what seemed to be strange decisions? And why wouldn't Adkins team have beaten Man City? We were 2-1 up on them in the away fixture in our first match back in the top flight and the players are much more used to the Premiership and other factors would have made the difference, like the availablity of Cork and the partnership that he has forged with Schneiderlin and the home advantage. As you say, the whole situation is hypothetical, but you seem to be in a minority thinking that Adkins wouldn't have us in a higher position. In fact, we are so far a place lower than he had us as it stands now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 When we get relegated, Clotese needs to do the decent thing and walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 11 March, 2013 Share Posted 11 March, 2013 Adkins would have kept us up comfortably had he stayed. After beating Villa and drawing at Chelsea, we really did look like a side who had turned a corner and was ready to kick on. I know everyone didn't rate Adkins, but surely he would have done better than the new guy in terms of points. Having said that, i don't truly believe Adkins was capable of taking us to the 'next level', which seems to be Cortese's target. However, i'm very surprised he didn't wait till the summer until the manager change as he has massively gambled for not much reward in the short term. If we go down, i think it will be the single worst manager change in the history of the premier league. Worse than bringing in saggy face? Yup have to agree I fear it may go tits up should have stuck with Adkins no matter what Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 11 March, 2013 Share Posted 11 March, 2013 When we get relegated, Clotese needs to do the decent thing and walk. We all know that isn't going to happen Cortese will still be here wether we are relegated or not, even fan power can't do anything about that, if it was markus's wish that Cortese is the don then Cortese will remain the don as long as the leibhers own us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 11 March, 2013 Share Posted 11 March, 2013 Under Adkins ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 11 March, 2013 Share Posted 11 March, 2013 Simple hypothetical question: do you think we would have more points now had we retained Adkins or has Poch secured more than Adders would've got? Not saying decision was right or wrong' date=' what's done is done, just interested to see who others feel we'd have done better under. For me, I think Adkins.[/quote'] I think that it is difficult to say but IMHO Ponch has not done enough to justify Adkins' removal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 11 March, 2013 Share Posted 11 March, 2013 Pocchetino is a managerial genius, he'll get us into the top four. After all, only us and Chelsea have managed to lose to QPR at home - and look where Chelsea are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 11 March, 2013 Share Posted 11 March, 2013 I suspect that there wouldnt be much in it. We still would have lost to QPR, we still would have odd selections and substitutions. Our mistakes started over the summer with how the squad was strengthened and prepared for the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 11 March, 2013 Share Posted 11 March, 2013 I think that it is difficult to say but IMHO Ponch has not done enough to justify Adkins' removal. Can you please give your reasons for why you feel pochetino has done enough to justify Adkins sacking? Are you more happy with how we are playing now? To me we are playing a one dimensional game of a high pressure midfield and tempo and not much else and have absolutely no other plan when it doesn't work! It's all very good pressurising the other team into losing possession but it also leaves us hugely exposed at the back and I don't think we have the calibre of defence for that style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 11 March, 2013 Share Posted 11 March, 2013 Can you please give your reasons for why you feel pochetino has done enough to justify Adkins sacking? . I think you'll find he said the opposite, dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 12 March, 2013 Share Posted 12 March, 2013 I think you'll find he said the opposite, dude. Oh **** duh yes he did indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 12 March, 2013 Share Posted 12 March, 2013 Personally I think we would be better off under Adkins at this moment in time. We'd started to turn a corner and were picking up good points, but that seems to have gone now. Obviously we did well against Everton and were fantastic against City, but there have been some truly underwhelming performances since (QPR, Wigan, Norwich, Newcastle) and I think we might have got another win or two from those games with Nige in charge. However I do think that Pochettino is more capable of getting us to "the next stage" than Nigel was, so in the best interests of the club he had to go sometime. In the summer would have been a good idea though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Personally I think we would be better off under Adkins at this moment in time. We'd started to turn a corner and were picking up good points, but that seems to have gone now. Obviously we did well against Everton and were fantastic against City, but there have been some truly underwhelming performances since (QPR, Wigan, Norwich, Newcastle) and I think we might have got another win or two from those games with Nige in charge. However I do think that Pochettino is more capable of getting us to "the next stage" than Nigel was, so in the best interests of the club he had to go sometime. In the summer would have been a good idea though... If you think Adkins would have got us more points then how is pochettino more capable of getting us to the "next stage tm"? Surely getting to the "next stage tm"requires a better points return? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 If you think Adkins would have got us more points then how is pochettino more capable of getting us to the "next stage tm"? Surely getting to the "next stage tm"requires a better points return? Pochettino needs a summer of transfer and pre-season preparation to get us to the next level. NA was the guy to get us through to the end of the season with our PL place intact. The timing of the management change, when we should have been focused on improving the playing squad, was absolutely dire. I am wondering how it could have been worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 I am as certain as I can be that we would now have more points on the board had we retained Nigel. Our performances in his last few games were great. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 Pochettino needs a summer of transfer and pre-season preparation to get us to the next level. NA was the guy to get us through to the end of the season with our PL place intact. The timing of the management change, when we should have been focused on improving the playing squad, was absolutely dire. I am wondering how it could have been worse. There was obviously problems getting the pochettino deal tied up but then there was reports that he'd been watching the time for months but yes timing couldn't have been worse anyone who doesn't think we are in a relagation battle is delusional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 15 March, 2013 Share Posted 15 March, 2013 For me Pochettino has got all the hallmarks of Alan Ball, Roy Keane and Paul - great player, mediocre manager. Players initially respond because as a former international he's got more peer cred with them than a physio from S****horpe, but that soon wears off. Im as confident as you can be that NA would have kept us up. As others have said employing Pochettino with his background of an inexperienced one time manager who got sacked was a big gamble. To do it in the middle of season was just reckless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 15 March, 2013 Share Posted 15 March, 2013 There was obviously problems getting the pochettino deal tied up but then there was reports that he'd been watching the time for months but yes timing couldn't have been worse anyone who doesn't think we are in a relagation battle is delusional Don't think there is a single saints fan who doesn't think we are in a relegation battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 15 March, 2013 Share Posted 15 March, 2013 The simple truth is that Nigel was the greatest Saints manager I expect to see in my lifetime. I will be gutted when I see him bringing joy to another set of fans, getting all excited about his bus, and quoting poetry at the camera. He had spirit, class and dignity. I have nothing agianst the military police we have now... but they are not Nigel. We could be in the bottom 3 with 2 games to go and I'd trust Nigel to keep us up or get us back next season... with Poch i have serious doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 15 March, 2013 Share Posted 15 March, 2013 Atkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 15 March, 2013 Share Posted 15 March, 2013 Who knows? A bit like asking yourself if you'd have got bit more **** with your ex if you'd stayed with her. Reckon NA had a good grasp on how to not get beat when he was cut loose; he'd learned the lessons of the early season quickly. But for the purposes of comparison I think we would have been slightly better off under NA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailOB Posted 15 March, 2013 Share Posted 15 March, 2013 Reckon NA had a good grasp on how to not get beat when he was cut loose; he'd learned the lessons of the early season quickly. But for the purposes of comparison I think we would have been slightly better off under NA. Thats the main difference for me. Also feel 'slightly' better under Adkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 15 March, 2013 Share Posted 15 March, 2013 Adkins by 1.5 inches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 15 March, 2013 Share Posted 15 March, 2013 Adkins by 1.5 inches. Higher, not longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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