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Never a penalty in a million years.

 

Holt dived.

 

I can confirm that yesterday Holt was niggling and diving all game

 

Bears were busy sh*tting in the woods

 

...and the Pope was a Catholic

 

 

(hang on, that last one's wrong...)

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We are substandard at the front and at CB. Lambert is great at holding up and his distribution is good but he's slow and can't hit a barn door - not the attributes of a striker in the Prem. Lallana should be shot for his big miss - again he did not demonstrate the attributes of a Prem level player. Holt dived for their pen - dreadful decision by Clattenburg.

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I can confirm that yesterday Holt was niggling and diving all game

 

Bears were busy sh*tting in the woods

 

...and the Pope was a Catholic

 

 

 

(hang on, that last one's wrong...)

 

Thanks, I was there.

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I just hope Forren gets fit soon. A decent strike force would have seen us Win the game yesterday. How many more games and points are we going to throw away. We could, and should, be safely mid-table.

 

Have to say, well done Artur. That save could turn out to be huge at the end of the season. Thankfully the club took a more sensible approach to him than the bed-wetters on here who wanted him sacked. Let's get him signed up. More than capable at this level, and our best keeper by a country mile

 

However, we need another goalscorer. Rodriguez isn't yet good enough to be one in the PL, we have more than enough players capable of creating chances, but we only have 1 real person who can put them away. (and before anyone metions it, no Billy Sharp is NOT the answer)

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I just hope Forren gets fit soon. A decent strike force would have seen us Win the game yesterday. How many more games and points are we going to throw away. We could, and should, be safely mid-table.

 

Have to say, well done Artur. That save could turn out to be huge at the end of the season. Thankfully the club took a more sensible approach to him than the bed-wetters on here who wanted him sacked. Let's get him signed up. More than capable at this level, and our best keeper by a country mile

 

However, we need another goalscorer. Rodriguez isn't yet good enough to be one in the PL, we have more than enough players capable of creating chances, but we only have 1 real person who can put them away. (and before anyone metions it, no Billy Sharp is NOT the answer)

 

Agree we to need someone else to pickup the gauntlet up front. Rickie can't be expected to score every week. We are starting to be a little predictable in our build up though, although we're still creating chances which has to be a positive. Will worry when we stop doing that.

 

Not sure what Forren getting fit has to do with that though? He's a CB.

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Watch the full 90 again like i did and you will see, dont confuse the number of chances vs the clearest chances

 

I'm not...

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21639524

The visitors had earlier created the better chances, with Adam Lallana, Gaston Ramirez, Rickie Lambert and Jay Rodriguez all failing to capitalise.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/09/norwich-city-southampton-premier-league

Norwich might have considered themselves lucky not to be trailing such was Southampton's forward thrust... this was a game that Southampton could have won by a comfortable margin.

 

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/premteams/4831901/Norwich-v-Southampton-Live-score-stats-commentary.html

Southampton take a valuable point from their trip to Carrow Road but that spot-kick aside will they will feel they could be leaving with all three on the balance of play and chances created.

 

 

You're just wrong.

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and free kicks!!! I've not seen him take a decent one yet. Seems to be allergic to beating the first man.

 

Overall though, I thought it was one of his better away days yesterday. Put himself into the forefront rather than playing on the fridges. Now, Lallana was completely anonymous it has to be said. A bit of a role reversal there.

 

His must have known it was going to be snowing y'day and was getting in some practice maybe ;-)

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Just because Norwich didn't get a shot away, doesn't mean it wasn't a better chance though.

 

Snodgrass getting past keeper and being denied by Yoshida interception, was just as clear cut, if not more than lallanas chance.

 

Snodgrass Free kick probably on par with Rodriguez effort - both straight at keeper.

 

Holt would have had a tap in had he not been pulled back by shaw - clearer cut chance than Ramirez

 

Holt missed a penalty - clearer cut chance than Lambert.

 

 

 

 

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Disagree completely. It's "Should Have". The word 'of' is not a verb so you cannot 'of' something and we could not 'of' won or lost.

 

Its an internet-thing, Prof. Like saying "teh" instead of "the", "should of" is used to denote mild cynicism, or to detract from the central message of the statement in order that the statement isn't taken too seriously. You should of known that.

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We are substandard at the front and at CB. Lambert is great at holding up and his distribution is good but he's slow and can't hit a barn door - not the attributes of a striker in the Prem. Lallana should be shot for his big miss - again he did not demonstrate the attributes of a Prem level player. Holt dived for their pen - dreadful decision by Clattenburg.

 

You are a muppet.

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Just because Norwich didn't get a shot away, doesn't mean it wasn't a better chance though.

 

Snodgrass getting past keeper and being denied by Yoshida interception, was just as clear cut, if not more than lallanas chance.

 

Snodgrass Free kick probably on par with Rodriguez effort - both straight at keeper.

 

 

 

Holt would have had a tap in had he not been pulled back by shaw - clearer cut chance than Ramirez

 

Holt missed a penalty - clearer cut chance than Lambert.

 

Right I am confused !

The fact non of the above resulted in the player "getting an opportunity to strike at goal" means these are not clear cut chances surly

 

And if we're being picky

Snodgrass was offside anyway

Holts foul on shaw in the build up to the blatant NON penalty

The pen was saved not missed

 

But the pull back on holt ill give you

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This. He created a brilliant vibe, an attitude.. and we were far more incisive in our attacking play. I really do fear for us now... other teams are coming good while we're just... plodding. I hope MP can turn it around........ we do play some decent stuff but I can't be the only one getting sick of dominating teams but continuously failing to put them away...:(

 

i would be a lot concerned if we were not dominating teams.

we are creating

we are dominating

we are not taking our chances

we will turn this around

we will score a shed load

we WILL survive

 

only real negative is

mp left his final sub too late JP should of been on earlier

 

why don't you bunch of bedwetters try supporting your team for a change.

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i would be a lot concerned if we were not dominating teams.

we are creating

we are dominating

we are not taking our chances

we will turn this around

we will score a shed load

we WILL survive

 

only real negative is

mp left his final sub too late JP should of been on earlier

 

why don't you bunch of bedwetters try supporting your team for a change.

 

Because it is a lot easier for them to get a reaction if people are constantly negative. I don't mind the odd negative opinion amongst a discussion, but when it's rammed down your throat in every thread it gets very tiresome.

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Thought we were the better team throughout. Shocking playing conditions, can't have been a million miles from being called off before the game. Cr@p ref, called things wrong throughout the game, always off the pace and how can he be sure it was a pen from where he was stood? Shocking decision, particularly at that stage of the game.

 

Not a fan of MP's substitutions. Although Ramirez had given the ball away a couple of times, we were in the ascendancy and look much the likelier to score, taking him off killed our attacking momentum I thought. Not sure of the point of JWP, offers very little at this level despite trying very hard.

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I agree we were the better team, but that seems to be the case all the time at the moment, playing well and not getting out just rewards. Need to be more clinical around the opposition box or this will continue to be the case. Plus, no matter how well we play, opposing teams always know we'll give something away at the back every game. I thought Norwich were s**t.

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Because it is a lot easier for them to get a reaction if people are constantly negative. I don't mind the odd negative opinion amongst a discussion, but when it's rammed down your throat in every thread it gets very tiresome.

 

the clue is in the name SUPPORTers...there are a few on here that are neither Saints fans or supporters............

I did not travel 400 miles through horrendous conditions yesterday to sit on my hands moaning all day about the tactics, substitutions, and the home shirt not having any bl00dy white stripes!!!!!

 

I just wish that some on here would grow some or feck off down the road with the s****s!!!!

 

making this game related

we did have more possession

we did have the territorial advantage

we did have the most shots on target

we did have the most shots off target

we did come away with a well deserved point

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the clue is in the name SUPPORTers...there are a few on here that are neither Saints fans or supporters............

I did not travel 400 miles through horrendous conditions yesterday to sit on my hands moaning all day about the tactics, substitutions, and the home shirt not having any bl00dy white stripes!!!!!

 

I just wish that some on here would grow some or feck off down the road with the s****s!!!!

 

making this game related

we did have more possession

we did have the territorial advantage

we did have the most shots on target

we did have the most shots off target

we did come away with a well deserved point

 

Nice one, well said.

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Not sure why MP was so concerned after the game about the penalty given and saved. Yes, wrong decision, but Boruc saved it. Move on. The shirt tag by Shaw on Holt in first half went unpunished, so one given wrongly, another NOT given wrongly.

I counted 2 where we should have scored and a further 3 where we could have scored. The big issue is that we are not converting our chances. Until we are, we are in trouble. Start converting them and we will be winning games.

A much better performance than last week vs QPR, to be positive.

And yes, whoever above commented on MP's odd substitutions, I agree with you. We should be increasing out attacking threat at 0-0, not withdrawing them to crowd out the midfield.

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Very negative on here.

 

Have to say as someone who has recently played on a pitch like that with the sludgy snow, it's very difficult to play any decent football, literally just standing up becomes difficult, judging speed of passes is very tough, turning and accelerating is difficult etc, first touch becomes difficult.

 

Considering that I thought the team did very well, we completely nullified Norwich and dominated the game playing the better football and creating more chances.

 

Positives:

 

- Defended well

 

- Better away performance from Gaston.

 

- Attacking play was decent in the conditions

 

- Team worked and battled hard, a lot better than last week.

 

- Boruc

 

Negatives

 

- Finishing, several rebounds particularly ones that Lallana and Lambert had should at least have hit the target. We should have won the game.

 

- Players surrounding the referee, yes the decision was very poor but no excuses for that.

 

Think we are going to have to beat one of Liverpool and Chelsea at home, it's probably going to go down to the last day but we essentially need s point a game I reckon.

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Very negative on here.

 

Have to say as someone who has recently played on a pitch like that with the sludgy snow, it's very difficult to play any decent football, literally just standing up becomes difficult, judging speed of passes is very tough, turning and accelerating is difficult etc, first touch becomes difficult.

 

Considering that I thought the team did very well, we completely nullified Norwich and dominated the game playing the better football and creating more chances.

 

Positives:

 

- Defended well

 

- Better away performance from Gaston.

 

- Attacking play was decent in the conditions

 

- Team worked and battled hard, a lot better than last week.

 

- Boruc

 

Negatives

 

- Finishing, several rebounds particularly ones that Lallana and Lambert had should at least have hit the target. We should have won the game.

 

- Players surrounding the referee, yes the decision was very poor but no excuses for that.

 

Think we are going to have to beat one of Liverpool and Chelsea at home, it's probably going to go down to the last day but we essentially need s point a game I reckon.

 

I liked our players surrounding the ref, showed how much they care and how bad the decision was.

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I liked our players surrounding the ref, showed how much they care and how bad the decision was.

 

I hated it because it makes us look like a bunch of Ferguson moulded prima donna c**nts who are entitled to every ref decision. Personally think it's pretty ugly. Loved NA's approach. He cared deeply but wouldn't stand for an utter lack of respect however bad the decision. Game of opinions though.

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Just back from a weekend in Norfolk. Finally a chance to thaw out. Enjoyed the game, well, the first half. The quality ofour passing game on that pitch was outstanding. The second was poor, not helped by the weather, but equally the lack of fitness (or ability to maintain our high tempo/workrate) of key players like Lallana and Ramirez stopped our passing football and we ended up doing nothing. We were by far and away the better side in the first half, but we failed to press home our advantage - the Lallana miss was poor - and we let Norwich back in the game.I thought we deserved the win, but a draw wasn't far from fair.

 

Boroc 8 - very solid game, not all that much to do but two great saves. Kicking good. Didn't ut us in trouble with his throws either.

Yoshida 4 two great interceptions preventing a goal will grab the eye (I saw the Times and the Sun jounralists had him as our best player and Cork our worst), but put other than that he was utter crap. A massive weak link. I admit I am not a fan, so I watched him closely to help me pick out poor peices of play to strengthen my arguement. Right back is not his position, I know that, but on several occasions he didn't get goal side. All defenders should do that without question, He didn't bust a gut to do so. We got away with it thankfully. Check out his positioning and effort for the Holt pulled back by Shaw chance. His crossing was horrific. So bad that he gave up and at one point passed it back to the half way line when he had time to swing a cross in from the edge of their box. Passing out from the back was even worse. He gave thre ball away on numerous occassions. I can see why we selected him as they have two huge front men, but we suffered because of it. Richardson needs to be Clyne's cover when we are faced with a long ball team.

Fonte 8 Very good game considering the tough physical battle presented by their two strikers. Great to have him back.

Jos 9 outstanding. Some of you need to eat humble pie. The abuse he got on here after a couple of own goals was appauling IMO. I said he'd be fine and do a job when called upon and he has done exactly that. He's been bloody great since he came back. He was great in the air and extremely calm in posession. Perfect player for this kind of game. Had Holt on his pocket.

Shaw 8 very good again. At some point he's going to have to be a bit more greedy and just take them all on AND shoot.

Cork 9 I liked him last season, I love him this. At the centre of everything defensively and offensively. Covered every blade of grass. If he keeps playing like this then he will get y player of the season vote and that's from a Morgan fan.

Morgan 7 solid game, what a great partnership him and Cork have forged. Just need him to recoieve the ball from the defence a bit more but not so deep.

Lallana 6 as he faded so did the side as a whole. Need him fully fit if we are going to survive. I didn't think he and Ramirez could play in the same side but they did yesterday. Should have scored.

Ramirez 7 very good first half, got in between the lines and made us tick. I've seen tweets berating him, but disagree fully. He was woeful at Wigan, he was good yesterday, at least until he ran out of steam. Fitness is a real issue though. He only lasts 60 minutes. When he tired he got sloppy. Subbed at right time, but why on earth are we not bringing on another attacking player in Puncheon? We had no one to pass to from back to midfield when he went off. That shows how important ball players like him are if we are to play the passing game. Shoukd he have scored when he went for the chip? Very good save perhaps.

Lambert 8 lead the line well, one tough chance. Much better than last week. Touch right on the money.

Rodriguez 6 ran himself into the ground. He had nothing give when the last chance fell to him. Should have been subbed by then, but no striker on the bench! Had one great chance, but kind of bottled it by just stabbing at it. I like Jay, but that little touch of quality was lacking when we needed it most. Control let him down a few times.

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Taking Ramirez off was stupid, killed our attacking momentum. We should have won the game but before he took the penalty i'd have snapped your hand off for a point.

 

Thing is Gaston was knackered. His fitness is a massive worry but was our best player for 60 minutes yesterday. Would have started Lallana on the bench and brought him on when Gaston run out of steam.

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thought the substitution was right timing wise, but Ward Prowse should be used to cover Cork and Morgan not our two flair players. Puncheon would have been better.

 

Worrying that we have no striker on the bench.

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thought the substitution was right timing wise, but Ward Prowse should be used to cover Cork and Morgan not our two flair players. Puncheon would have been better.

 

Worrying that we have no striker on the bench.

 

Wasn't Mayuka on the bench?

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Just back from a weekend in Norfolk. Finally a chance to thaw out. Enjoyed the game, well, the first half. The quality ofour passing game on that pitch was outstanding. The second was poor, not helped by the weather, but equally the lack of fitness (or ability to maintain our high tempo/workrate) of key players like Lallana and Ramirez stopped our passing football and we ended up doing nothing. We were by far and away the better side in the first half, but we failed to press home our advantage - the Lallana miss was poor - and we let Norwich back in the game.I thought we deserved the win, but a draw wasn't far from fair.

 

Boroc 8 - very solid game, not all that much to do but two great saves. Kicking good. Didn't ut us in trouble with his throws either.

Yoshida 4 two great interceptions preventing a goal will grab the eye (I saw the Times and the Sun jounralists had him as our best player and Cork our worst), but put other than that he was utter crap. A massive weak link. I admit I am not a fan, so I watched him closely to help me pick out poor peices of play to strengthen my arguement. Right back is not his position, I know that, but on several occasions he didn't get goal side. All defenders should do that without question, He didn't bust a gut to do so. We got away with it thankfully. Check out his positioning and effort for the Holt pulled back by Shaw chance. His crossing was horrific. So bad that he gave up and at one point passed it back to the half way line when he had time to swing a cross in from the edge of their box. Passing out from the back was even worse. He gave thre ball away on numerous occassions. I can see why we selected him as they have two huge front men, but we suffered because of it. Richardson needs to be Clyne's cover when we are faced with a long ball team.

Fonte 8 Very good game considering the tough physical battle presented by their two strikers. Great to have him back.

Jos 9 outstanding. Some of you need to eat humble pie. The abuse he got on here after a couple of own goals was appauling IMO. I said he'd be fine and do a job when called upon and he has done exactly that. He's been bloody great since he came back. He was great in the air and extremely calm in posession. Perfect player for this kind of game. Had Holt on his pocket.

Shaw 8 very good again. At some point he's going to have to be a bit more greedy and just take them all on AND shoot.

Cork 9 I liked him last season, I love him this. At the centre of everything defensively and offensively. Covered every blade of grass. If he keeps playing like this then he will get y player of the season vote and that's from a Morgan fan.

Morgan 7 solid game, what a great partnership him and Cork have forged. Just need him to recoieve the ball from the defence a bit more but not so deep.

Lallana 6 as he faded so did the side as a whole. Need him fully fit if we are going to survive. I didn't think he and Ramirez could play in the same side but they did yesterday. Should have scored.

Ramirez 7 very good first half, got in between the lines and made us tick. I've seen tweets berating him, but disagree fully. He was woeful at Wigan, he was good yesterday, at least until he ran out of steam. Fitness is a real issue though. He only lasts 60 minutes. When he tired he got sloppy. Subbed at right time, but why on earth are we not bringing on another attacking player in Puncheon? We had no one to pass to from back to midfield when he went off. That shows how important ball players like him are if we are to play the passing game. Shoukd he have scored when he went for the chip? Very good save perhaps.

Lambert 8 lead the line well, one tough chance. Much better than last week. Touch right on the money.

Rodriguez 6 ran himself into the ground. He had nothing give when the last chance fell to him. Should have been subbed by then, but no striker on the bench! Had one great chance, but kind of bottled it by just stabbing at it. I like Jay, but that little touch of quality was lacking when we needed it most. Control let him down a few times.

 

Just got back too and still thawing out. Your summary is pretty much as I saw the game, but I think you've been harsh on Maya. His two magnificent interceptions were of international class and certainly prevented us losing. He dispossessed and broke up Norwich attacks on several important occasions too so I would give him at least 6..

 

About our defence - I, and many others, have been very critical of the way we have been so often caught out mostly by playing so far upfield, but against Norwich they were tight and excelled for much of the game.

 

And another plaudit, despite really atrocious conditions our pass completion and accuracy rate on very slippery turf was very, very good in the first half. Some have criticised loss of stamina towards the end. Well the same applied to Norwich. After a a patchy start by both teams Saints settled and dominated for much of this end to end match.

I came away frustrated at the misses - perhaps understandable in the conditions, but pleased with the draw. Artur was my man of the match before his fantastic last save. So much so that I knew he would save the penalty! What a signing he has turned out to be. He must be given an extended contract!

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I hated it because it makes us look like a bunch of Ferguson moulded prima donna c**nts who are entitled to every ref decision. Personally think it's pretty ugly. Loved NA's approach. He cared deeply but wouldn't stand for an utter lack of respect however bad the decision. Game of opinions though.

 

Tosh, we argued against bad decisions just as much then as we do now.

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Jason Roberts just worried me on MOTD2 talking about his relegation at West Brom....

 

 

"Sometimes you are playing as well as you were when you were winning, but you just can't get the ball over the line, and when you start losing games it's hard to get out of..."

 

Thankfully we just drew 0-0 away from home rather than losing.

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Must've imagined those 100 goals, joke comment

 

OK, I missed out the word ' lately' and you're too daft to read all my comment, just choosing to home in on the bit that you want to. Fact is, Lambert has scored how many in open play in the Prem? And of those, how many in the last 6 games? He is our main striker - at the moment he is not scoring and not looking likely to score unless Lallana dives in the box so he can score from the spot. Even his free kicks on goal are as potent as a courage shandy. He needs to up his game. I'd like to see Jrod up front and a mid three of Lallana, Ramirez and Punch - I reckon we would be more fluid in attack.

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Bloody great Away day. Had a fantastic trip

Thanks to the lads for the laffs in the car.

WTF was that weather about? LOVED the drive home in the snow - still managed to get back to Salisbury in time for a curry at The Asia

Thanks to the Riverside - & a decent local Ale

Christ it's been a long time since I was so cold & wet

(ROFL at the guy drying his shoes in the Gents)

Artur Boruc is God.

Well played Ramirez, we looked more of a threat with him on the pitch

Well played the team for playing football on a pudding of a pitch

WTF were Norwich thinking giving out notices about us sitting down - lol & duh

Delia - FFS ditch the wholemeal pastry to make your pies edible.

First game in 20 years I have had a beer in the concourse at halftime. Not so difficult to arrange Saints

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thought the substitution was right timing wise, but Ward Prowse should be used to cover Cork and Morgan not our two flair players. Puncheon would have been better.

 

Worrying that we have no striker on the bench.

 

I agree.

 

Also, IMO, Guly's best position is the No 10 one - which would make him the perfect replacement for Ramirez. Puncheon should have replaced Lallana. (This should have been a double substitution on about 60 minutes.)

 

(On a side note - I wouldn't be surprised to see Ben Reeves used as a sub in the AMF role next season.)

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Disappointing to say the least. Three wins may still be enough but where from? Still luck and good fortune tend to come and go in spells over a season; having had a good spell after Christmas for five weeks, followed by a poor spell for about five weeks we may be about to enter the next phase of a good spell. With luck the timing of an upswing amy be perfect with games running out. A point against the revitalised scousers will look like a win at the moment.

 

Please don't look at the predictor or you'll all be on suicide watch.

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i would be a lot concerned if we were not dominating teams.

we are creating

we are dominating

we are not taking our chances

we will turn this around

we will score a shed load

we WILL survive

 

only real negative is

mp left his final sub too late JP should of been on earlier

 

why don't you bunch of bedwetters try supporting your team for a change.

 

Do I detect a hint of negativity there? And shouldn't it be included amongst the negatives too, the fact that we are not taking our chances ?

 

Surely if you too criticise the manager's selection or substitutions, you're also a bedwetter, even if it's a little drip leak rather than a fully-fledged sheet-drenching.

 

Arguable really whether those who are critical of any aspect of the manager or the team are any less supporting of them than those who criticise nothing, when things do not go entirely as they would wish.

 

Those who have criticisms are surely hopeful if they are constructive and valid, that they will result in improvements.

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