simo Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Far too many doom merchants (they will say otherwise) on here I for one see myself as a optimist and always believe we can well no matter who we play (hence my tenth place thread) ! Which category do you think you fall in regarding saints and why? Queue the nay sayers calling themselves realists ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 When I think we'll win, I say that I think we'll win. When I think we'll lose, I say that I think we'll lose. Same for draws, too. F*ck knows what category that puts me in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 When I think we'll win, I say that I think we'll win. When I think we'll lose, I say that I think we'll lose. Same for draws, too. F*ck knows what category that puts me in. Your not playing the game right. Simo wants you to pigeonhole everybody as extremists so that he can be the voice of reason. You're being unfair to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Iron Gonads Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 I'm always hopeful we'll get a result, sometimes I know we'll get a result. I know we'll stay up. I'm an optimist. I suppose for some it's fun to point out every fault or mistake a player or the club makes, and to point out every difference between us and Barcelona. Those people do seem to have a higher post rate than the optimists though. 'absolutely horrfic result....that is why we are going down IMO' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 I'm always hopeful we'll get a result, sometimes I know we'll get a result. I know we'll stay up. I'm an optimist. I suppose for some it's fun to point out every fault or mistake a player or the club makes, and to point out every difference between us and Barcelona. Those people do seem to have a higher post rate than the optimists though. 'absolutely horrfic result....that is why we are going down IMO' The pessimists likes to have the use for two different cards. The "I told you so"-card or the "happy to be wrong"-card... In some way they think that makes them being right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born In The 80s Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Wouldn't say i'm necessarily a pessimist, but at this current moment i don't feel massively confident about our chances of staying in this league. I find it impossible not to be concerned with the way things have been going under the new manager. Think we're getting found out and we seem to lack a plan B. What is also concerning is the form of our rivals - Wigan, QPR and Villa's form all seems to have picked up. After we won at Villa, relegation wasn't in my mind at all. But we have failed to kick on like i thought we would. I think today is a massive day. If we lose today, things will be looking very bleak indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 In life - probably a pessimist, but oddly with Southampton probably an optimist. I like to think I believe in the players, although if I think we'll lose I say so. I think we have a chance in every game we play though, and don't think we're far off being a good side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Like most things in life it is not quite a cut and dried or as black and white as it seems. Sometimes I'm very optimistic and other times I feel very pessimistic and not always for any logical reason. At the moment I feel Saints as a team are being overrated by our fans and the results would also point that way. After all there is no point winning against Man City and then losing to teams like Newcastle and QPR who are teams we should be nicking points off. At this present moment in time I feel very pessimistic and I seriously don't believe we are as good a football team as people think. Another couple of defeats and we are going to be in serious trouble. I actually can't see where the wins are going to come from at the moment. QPR are the team everyone are beating and we couldn't get ourselves up to win this game or come up with some way of beating what the table is saying are the poorest club in the division. Over-reaction? Probably. But I'll happily take the criticism that comes with this few point. It's okay I may be, and have been many times, completely wrong. Although frankly I don't feel I am at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Strover Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Last post. My English is generally better than that but I am appalled by the lack of grammar, repetition and typos in those few lines. Still at least I"m not an Everton fan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 The pessimists likes to have the use for two different cards. The "I told you so"-card or the "happy to be wrong"-card... In some way they think that makes them being right... That happens in all probablity to be a defence mechanism? I would always rather realism. To counter the clappers will go on about 50,000 Stadium expansion Champions League football in 5 years And consistant top finishes in a few years They say this after a victory. What they fail to realise everytime is that there are larger more attractive clubs to players trying to get into the higher echelons on the League, this is the cult of Cortese, he says nothing so its all under control, changing manager like we did says otherwise, not buying the correct players says otherwise, our League position says otherwise but that does not detract the clappers being under the illusion we are a sleeping giant waiting to happen. Like God there is no evidence you have to believe I suppose, faith but unfortunely Saints fans who are over 30 usually know the rough standing of where we are in the game, in aint in the top 4 unless we spend millions and millions, that has not happened yet so why in the future. Dreamers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 (edited) I was an optimist under NA After recent results / performances under Tino im getting worried. Does that make me a pessimist? Edited 9 March, 2013 by Glasgow_Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Like most things in life it is not quite a cut and dried or as black and white as it seems. Sometimes I'm very optimistic and other times I feel very pessimistic and not always for any logical reason. At the moment I feel Saints as a team are being overrated by our fans and the results would also point that way. After all there is no point winning against Man City and then losing to teams like Newcastle and QPR who are teams we should be nicking points off. At this present moment in time I feel very pessimistic and I seriously don't believe we are as good a football team as people think. Another couple of defeats and we are going to be in serious trouble. I actually can't see where the wins are going to come from at the moment. QPR are the team everyone are beating and we couldn't get ourselves up to win this game or come up with some way of beating what the table is saying are the poorest club in the division. Over-reaction? Probably. But I'll happily take the criticism that comes with this few point. It's okay I may be, and have been many times, completely wrong. Although frankly I don't feel I am at the moment. Worst Saints ever premiership squad and I am not joking, we have 8 premiership players and thats it. That does not mean they will not get better but merely we are taking a chance and doing it on the cheap yet again like 2004/5 when we were told this wont be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Worst Saints ever premiership squad and I am not joking, we have 8 premiership players and thats it. That does not mean they will not get better but merely we are taking a chance and doing it on the cheap yet again like 2004/5 when we were told this wont be the case. Out of interest, who are the 8? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Lambert Cork Schneiderlin Lallana Shaw Boruc Clyne Davis Above are premiership squad players or starters, Ramirez is not in there as he has donw nothing to justify his inclusion at the moment nor his price tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Worst Saints ever premiership squad and I am not joking, we have 8 premiership players and thats it. That does not mean they will not get better but merely we are taking a chance and doing it on the cheap yet again like 2004/5 when we were told this wont be the case. Just out of curiousity. By that measurement isn´t it like saying that Fox is a premiership player and Lambert not?? Or do I misunderstand and you mean you´ve looked at the squad and thinking 8 of them are premiership quality and not the others? Edit: And the answer to my question was there when I put my question up on the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Frankly, I think some on here take themselves far too seriously. From there the extremes in opinion begin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Lambert Cork Schneiderlin Lallana Shaw Boruc Clyne Davis Above are premiership squad players or starters, Ramirez is not in there as he has donw nothing to justify his inclusion at the moment nor his price tag. Ramirez was quickly improving and becoming consistant under Nigel. For me he has gone backwards under Tino which is the opposite of what was promised / expected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Eternal optimist...... Expect Saints to win every game. We are a top half team......Don'T argue you pessimists. There are quite a few this season that we should have won.. COYS:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Lambert Cork Schneiderlin Lallana Shaw Boruc Clyne Davis Above are premiership squad players or starters, Ramirez is not in there as he has donw nothing to justify his inclusion at the moment nor his price tag. Gaston? J-Rod? Puncheon? Not sure how you justify Lallana good enough but them not ?! Lallana is probably our worst 'wide' man our of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Just out of curiousity. By that measurement isn´t it like saying that Fox is a premiership player and Lambert not?? Or do I misunderstand and you mean you´ve looked at the squad and thinking 8 of them are premiership quality and not the others? Edit: And the answer to my question was there when I put my question up on the board. Only 8 as it stands are of squad quality, Ramirez is not there as as it stands I would not sign him as a squad player nor 1st teamer, for £12-15 Million he has been a waste of money, we dont need show ponies for a relegation battle, if we were going to always be in this situation why did we sign a player who cant play away from home and cant complete 90 minutes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Ramirez was quickly improving and becoming consistant under Nigel. For me he has gone backwards under Tino which is the opposite of what was promised / expected What do you think of Davis and JRod in that regard since MP came in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Eternal optimist...... Expect Saints to win every game. We are a top half team......Don'T argue you pessimists. There are quite a few this season that we should have won.. COYS:) Forgot to mention......Most of the pessimists are right plonkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Lambert Cork Schneiderlin Lallana Shaw Boruc Clyne Davis Above are premiership squad players or starters, Ramirez is not in there as he has donw nothing to justify his inclusion at the moment nor his price tag. Ramirez has under achieved of late, but its only his price tag that labels him as not meeting expectations. Can't believe you've left out Puncheon; 5 league goals and some proper MOTM displays, well rated and respected by fans of other clubs too. A bit of a revelation for us after previous indiscretions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Gaston? J-Rod? Puncheon? Not sure how you justify Lallana good enough but them not ?! Lallana is probably our worst 'wide' man our of them. Puncheon possibly but he is not consitant enough, Rodriguez again is far too inconsistant at this level, you cant be like that in a relegation battle, we need fighters not hairdressers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 What do you think of Davis and JRod in that regard since MP came in? Jrod has been improving week by week and this started with Nigel and has continued under Tino. Benefitting with more 1st team starts imho Davis has looked better in a couple of Tino's games. Pressing style suits him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 I'd pick Gaston, Puncheon and J-Rod all over Lallana. J-Rod has been our best attacker the last month or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 (edited) We detract from the point, its obvious we were going to struggle with a distinct lack of quality, the smokescreen and job Cortese has done on the clappers is amazing, he has failed to buy the correct players, we struggle and yet his popularity is as high as ever, why? Edited 9 March, 2013 by Barry Sanchez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 I'd pick Gaston, Puncheon and J-Rod all over Lallana. J-Rod has been our best attacker the last month or so. Agree 100%. Would love to see him getting in more positions to unleash his wicked shots, like the two he had against QPR. One leading to the goal and the other just sniffing the cross bar in second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Agree 100%. Would love to see him getting in more positions to unleash his wicked shots, like the two he had against QPR. One leading to the goal and the other just sniffing the cross bar in second half. At the expense of who? Lets say we have zero injuries, where does J-Rod fit in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Iron Gonads Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Worst Saints ever premiership squad and I am not joking, we have 8 premiership players and thats it. That does not mean they will not get better but merely we are taking a chance and doing it on the cheap yet again like 2004/5 when we were told this wont be the case. boolaks ya dirty pessimist 1996/97 1 GK Dave Beasant 2 DF Jason Dodd 3 DF Francis Benali 4 MF Jim Magilton 5 DF Barry Venison 6 DF Ken Monkou 7 MF Matt Le Tissier (captain) 8 FW Mickey Evans 10 MF Neil Maddison 13 GK Neil Moss 14 DF Simon Charlton 15 DF Alan Neilson 16 MF David Hughes 17 MF Paul Tisdale 18 MF Matt Oakley 19 DF Richard Dryden 20 MF Robbie Slater 22 DF Claus Lundekvam 23 GK Darryl Flahavan 24 MF Christer Warren (on loan to Brighton & Hove Albion and Fulham during playing season) 25 MF Paul Sheerin 26 DF Matthew Robinson 27 FW Steve Basham 28 MF Russell Watkinson 29 MF Eyal Berkovic 30 FW Egil Østenstad 32 DF Ulrich van Gobbel 33 GK Maik Taylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 At the expense of who? Lets say we have zero injuries, where does J-Rod fit in? At the moment I select him before Lallana and Puncheon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 At the moment I select him before Lallana and Puncheon. Wow. And I mean that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Wow. And I mean that. Fair enough, it´s all about opinions and I fully expect that on a discussion forum, there will be different opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 (edited) Goalcs bollacks. Dodd Le Tissier Monkou Luedekvam Østenstad Berkovic Oakley Venison Slater That was the season we beat United 6-3 wasnt it? Edited 9 March, 2013 by Barry Sanchez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Wow. And I mean that. No suprise really. Olallana has long counted shots taken as the best measure of progress. Would have thought Punch has more shots in a match usually so he has messed that up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Iron Gonads Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Goalcs bollacks. Dodd Le Tissier Monkou Luedekvam Østenstad Berkovic Oakley Venison Slater That was the season we beat United 6-3 wasnt it? It was that season, we also briefly had Ali Dia in the squad. I'd only take Le Tissier and Monkou from that squad, even then Monkou only played well when his contract was up for renewal. Oakley, Venison, Slater > Cork, Schneiderlin, Puncheon??? Nahhhhh. That's my post quota done. I won't be able to post depondently in the match thread later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 I've been a Saints fan for way too long to retain any shreds of optimism. The OP might have a point about the current setup, but I was born in 1961 and followed the mighty Saints man and boy. I can safely say that the disappointment has vastly outweighed the euphoria. (Which, in a way, makes the euphoric moments that bit more special.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 I'm a nieve optimist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 I've been a Saints fan for way too long to retain any shreds of optimism. The OP might have a point about the current setup, but I was born in 1961 and followed the mighty Saints man and boy. I can safely say that the disappointment has vastly outweighed the euphoria. (Which, in a way, makes the euphoric moments that bit more special.) True, fans or some of them seem to think we are on a road to European glory, have no other clubs thought of this cunning plan? How ****ing stupid and naive are they? Rainbows and fluffy clouds but at least they are innocent in the ways of not knowing how **** and what a let down supporting Southampton is, I would not want it any other way either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Wow. And I mean that. J-Rod would be my definite starter in the 1 of the 3 positions behind Lambert. At the moment I'd choose him over Punch, Lallana, Gaston and Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 That happens in all probablity to be a defence mechanism? I would always rather realism. To counter the clappers will go on about 50,000 Stadium expansion Champions League football in 5 years And consistant top finishes in a few years They say this after a victory. What they fail to realise everytime is that there are larger more attractive clubs to players trying to get into the higher echelons on the League, this is the cult of Cortese, he says nothing so its all under control, changing manager like we did says otherwise, not buying the correct players says otherwise, our League position says otherwise but that does not detract the clappers being under the illusion we are a sleeping giant waiting to happen. Like God there is no evidence you have to believe I suppose, faith but unfortunely Saints fans who are over 30 usually know the rough standing of where we are in the game, in aint in the top 4 unless we spend millions and millions, that has not happened yet so why in the future. Dreamers. I keep seeing you say this, and yet I have not seen anyone that actually says this will happen? Funny how you choose to ignore these posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Yes we do, if we go down the clappers will refer to the five year plan. back to back promotions (forgetting to mention the relegation) and how much we owe Cortese, what a load of ballacks, it wont have anything to do with signing cheap ****e who cant play in the division or buying for the future, did that future have the Championship in it? Thats my point, I will stand by that right to the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Yes we do, if we go down the clappers will refer to the five year plan. back to back promotions (forgetting to mention the relegation) and how much we owe Cortese, what a load of ballacks, it wont have anything to do with signing cheap ****e who cant play in the division or buying for the future, did that future have the Championship in it? Thats my point, I will stand by that right to the end. Just for clarity Bazatron, who are the clappers? Or is the only way of identifying them by watching out for key phrases such as "five year plan" and "we owe Cortese"? They're quite a sinister bunch, these clappers, so perhaps a list of their members would prove useful so they can be kept at arms length and not allow them to pervade this forum with their spin and bluster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Clappers can be easily identified as walking around in a vietnam stare and simply murmuring Cortese Cortese softly................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 I start every game optimistic, but switch to pessimism every time we concede a corner or free kick. I anticipate each game to be a win, but am never completely surprised if they turn into defeats. Such is the lot of an SFC fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK the 2nd Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 Both ... I look up the table to see how far up we could finish ... ... but forever looking over the shoulder to check the gap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 We'll be o, even if we do get relegated. We will bounce back up straight away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 9 March, 2013 Share Posted 9 March, 2013 But the cult leader our beloved said we would never be relegated so I dont believe it, according to his website the tables states we are 4th in the table looking to consolidate our championsleague place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 10 March, 2013 Share Posted 10 March, 2013 Bit disappointed that my status isn't catered for here: Cynic = An Optimist with experience! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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