Transfers-In; How succesful?

[110_Persaint]

Well, I have been proven right and when we get relegated I will be vindicated.

Please don't say such silly things. Your reputation on here is already sullied as it is.

[Barry Sanchez]

The trouble with the summer transfer policy was that we fannied about and left it all too late.

 

I along with the likes of Alpine warned about our complacent and laxidasical approach to transfer all through the summer but we were constantly rebuked and ridiculed.

 

Well, I have been proven right and when we get relegated I will be vindicated.

 

The clappers slung me off not606 for this, the cult of Cortese over there is so strong Vader,Yoda and Obi Wan could pull them away from it.............

[Dalek2003]

The clappers slung me off not606 for this, the cult of Cortese over there is so strong Vader,Yoda and Obi Wan could pull them away from it.............

 

 

Surprised they had time, what with their constant re-writing of history and airbrushing of facts.

[Chewy]

The trouble with the summer transfer policy was that we fannied about and left it all too late.

 

I along with the likes of Alpine warned about our complacent and laxidasical approach to transfer all through the summer but we were constantly rebuked and ridiculed.

 

Well, I have been proven right and when we get relegated I will be vindicated.

 

So when we don't get relegated you're going to start a post saying"I'm not vindicated and am, in fact, an utter pr1ck"?

[Dalek2003]

Please don't say such silly things. Your reputation on here is already sullied as it is.

 

Mate, if you were on your own in a locked room you would pick a fight with yerself ! Now off you go its past yer bedtime !

[Dalek2003]

So when we don't get relegated you're going to start a post saying"I'm not vindicated and am, in fact, an utter pr1ck"?

 

I'd be happy to do that if we stay up, yes !

[Barry Sanchez]

They wanted to get that statue of Saddam, you know the one that got torn down in the revolution and put it up down the avenue with a photo copied picture of the "don" over Saddam's grid......................

[Dalek2003]

They wanted to get that statue of Saddam, you know the one that got torn down in the revolution and put it up down the avenue with a photo copied picture of the "don" over Saddam's grid......................

 

Keep on plugging away...but don't expect to win them over.

[Chewy]

I'd be happy to do that if we stay up, yes !

 

Excellent, I will remember this and remind you of it in a few weeks time.

[Barry Sanchez]

So when we don't get relegated you're going to start a post saying"I'm not vindicated and am, in fact, an utter pr1ck"?

 

You are an angry wookie Chewy, did Han shave your head? Did he do a monk number on your pate? Or immac your wookie bits? Chill out Chewy.

[Dalek2003]

Excellent, I will remember this and remind you of it in a few weeks time.

 

Blimey, in a few weeks time ? Have you worked out when the season finishes or do you think 6 points wil be enough !!!! LOL !!!!!!

[Chewy]

You are an angry wookie Chewy, did Han shave your head? Did he do a monk number on your pate? Or immac your wookie bits? Chill out Chewy.

 

"Chewy" is not in the slightest bit woodie related. And I am perfectly relaxed,which is why i don't lose the plot over one bad result and think we will be relegated, go bankrupt and think we will be swimming with the nc fishes in a few weeks time. There are many people who need more of a chill pill than me on here!

[Chewy]

Blimey, in a few weeks time ? Have you worked out when the season finishes or do you think 6 points wil be enough !!!! LOL !!!!!!

 

Nope, but I honestly think about 35 will do.

[Barry Sanchez]

"Chewy" is not in the slightest bit woodie related. And I am perfectly relaxed,which is why i don't lose the plot over one bad result and think we will be relegated, go bankrupt and think we will be swimming with the nc fishes in a few weeks time. There are many people who need more of a chill pill than me on here!

 

Is Chewy in Tory Story? Christ I missed something there...................

 

Your reactions state other wise Chewy.

[Chewy]

Is Chewy in Tory Story? Christ I missed something there...................

 

Your reactions state other wise Chewy.

 

No, there is a reason for the name, it's just not Star Wars. Anyway, I'm perfectly calm about the football; been a fan long enough to expect the odd ( or rather often) hiccup, just can't understand those who go apoplectic when things don't go perfectly. Christ, they must be very disappointed with their lives unless they're all millionaires being sucked off every hour by vestel virgins given their dismay at a disappointing, and slightly unfortunate result.

 

The whole transfer policy is doomed. Doomed I tell you!

[Saint Garrett]

Can't imagine what it would have been like on here if our transfers had actually been as bad as some bed wetters are making out to be. Could be worse. Could have brought in pogregnybk Guthrie Gunter marriapa and mccleary....!!!

[Barry Sanchez]

My life is quite satisfactory, I never bring my life onto here and vice versa, this is a great distraction from life, its not life, and thats where a lot of people who purport themselves to be sensible on here are actually quite scary.

[Saint Garrett]

Because to a lot of people who live locally, Southampton Football Club is their life or atleast a big part of it. If it wasn't then people wouldn't pay stupid money to go see their side.

[alpine_saint]

I look at that list of acquisitions and conclude that the club management werent particularly serious about consolidating our PL membership this season....

[Chewy]

My life is quite satisfactory, I never bring my life onto here and vice versa, this is a great distraction from life, its not life, and thats where a lot of people who purport themselves to be sensible on here are actually quite scary.

 

Your life might be quite satisfactory, but your posts are boll0cks

[Chewy]

I look at that list of acquisitions and conclude that the club management werent particularly serious about consolidating our PL membership this season....

 

Please join Dalek in starting a thread telling us all how wrong you were when we stay up.

[The Kraken]

Can't imagine what it would have been like on here if our transfers had actually been as bad as some bed wetters are making out to be. Could be worse. Could have brought in pogregnybk Guthrie Gunter marriapa and mccleary....!!!

 

We're not exactly poles apart from that. Pogrebnyak has more goals this season than Rodriguez; not much to choose between S.Davis and Guthrie; Clyne is much better than Gunter; is there a huge amount to choose between Yoshida and Mariappa, and McCleary and Mayuka?

 

Biggest difference is that we probably spent at least £20M more than Reading did.

[The Kraken]

I look at that list of acquisitions and conclude that the club management werent particularly serious about consolidating our PL membership this season....

 

Correct. If they were serious about staying up they would have spent far more than the paltry £30M we did spend.

[Barry Sanchez]

Your life might be quite satisfactory, but your posts are boll0cks

 

As long as it remains in that order I am not too concerned.

[Turkish]

I look at that list of acquisitions and conclude that the club management werent particularly serious about consolidating our PL membership this season....

 

They were serious about it, they just targeted the wrong areas and chased names. You have to wonder who made the decsions, it's pretty clear the manager has little to no input into transfers, so you have to wonder who was advising the chairman and who was selecting the targets.

[The Kraken]

They were serious about it, they just targeted the wrong areas and chased names. You have to wonder who made the decsions, it's pretty clear the manager has little to no input into transfers, so you have to wonder who was advising the chairman and who was selecting the targets.

 

Whoever picked out Forren, I'd suggest. Adkins had nothing to do with it, MP denied knowledge of it. Doesn't leave too far to look for the culprits.

[Chewy]

As long as it remains in that order I am not too concerned.

 

That is a very fair comment!

[Barry Sanchez]

They were serious about it, they just targeted the wrong areas and chased names. You have to wonder who made the decsions, it's pretty clear the manager has little to no input into transfers, so you have to wonder who was advising the chairman and who was selecting the targets.

 

Cortese and I think "his contacts" from abroad and also Les Reed, you need football men, Les Reed is ****e, Adkins bless him was a patsy for Corteses mistakes.

[Alanh]

It's a squad game so you need to ask whether the players brought in are better than those they replaced in the pecking order. Not an easy question to answer in all cases because often the new players haven't played anywhere near the same number of games or because the players they replaced are still in the squad, just a bit down the pecking order. I'm sure that none of use would be happy this season if the likes of Kelvin Davis, Jos Hooiveld, Richard Chaplow and Fraser Richardson were still first choice, or Dean Hammond, David Connolly, Dan Seaborne, Bart or Billy Sharp were still in the squad.

 

We needed to bring in new recruits like all clubs every summer, some of those new recruits have become first choices every week. Others do a squad role, but I would say that they all do a better job than the players they 'replaced'.

[Turkish]

Cortese and I think "his contacts" from abroad and also Les Reed, you need football men, Les Reed is ****e, Adkins bless him was a patsy for Corteses mistakes.

 

i'll have you know Bishops Stortford hold him in the highest regard.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Cortese and I think "his contacts" from abroad and also Les Reed, you need football men, Les Reed is ****e, Adkins bless him was a patsy for Corteses mistakes.

 

or possibly scouts?

 

you know, those guys that are paid to watch matches, and you know SCOUT a talented player that may be interested in a move to the club?

[Barry Sanchez]

i'll have you know Bishops Stortford hold him in the highest regard.

 

Ha Ha yes indeed, why do we do so well in one thing and are a complete balls up in another, Les Reed is on our board for ****s sake what has he done to deserve that?

[Barry Sanchez]

or possibly scouts?

 

you know, those guys that are paid to watch matches, and you know SCOUT a talented player that may be interested in a move to the club?

 

Like Mayuka, Lee and Forren you mean? Someone must of either gone on a recommendation or gone in blindly, you can choose whatever one.

[The Kraken]

It's a squad game so you need to ask whether the players brought in are better than those they replaced in the pecking order. Not an easy question to answer in all cases because often the new players haven't played anywhere near the same number of games or because the players they replaced are still in the squad, just a bit down the pecking order. I'm sure that none of use would be happy this season if the likes of Kelvin Davis, Jos Hooiveld, Richard Chaplow and Fraser Richardson were still first choice, or Dean Hammond, David Connolly, Dan Seaborne, Bart or Billy Sharp were still in the squad.

 

We needed to bring in new recruits like all clubs every summer, some of those new recruits have become first choices every week. Others do a squad role, but I would say that they all do a better job than the players they 'replaced'.

 

Why would you spend £30M to replace one bunch of squad players with another set of squad players? Why not get players in who are better than you have, then the previous first teamers become the squad players?

 

Of the players we brought in over the summer only 4 have usurped others to be genuine first team players (Yoshida, Clyne, Boruc, Ramirez). That cost us around £20M. We've spent around another £15M on squad players in Rodriguez, Mayuka, S.Davis, Gazzaniga and Forren. That's a huge amount to pay for an improved subs bench.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Like Mayuka, Lee and Forren you mean? Someone must of either gone on a recommendation or gone in blindly, you can choose whatever one.

 

how exactly can you write off someone that is yet to play for first team?

[Barry Sanchez]

how exactly can you write off someone that is yet to play for first team?

 

I think you may of answered your own question there.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

he's been here a month.

 

it's hardly Delgado mk 2.

 

scuse me if I, you know, like to see how someone performs before judging them.

 

I'm just crazy like that.

[Saint Garrett]

To write off Mayuka and Forren already is just moronic.

 

And I'd put Jrod in 'successful first teamers'. Probably been out best player under Poche

[Barry Sanchez]

Sorry how long has Mayuka been here? He went to the African Cup of Nations so he can play, Forren? A player Liverpool were only prepared to give a trial too and Lee? Oh please.

[Saint Garrett]

Lee is ****e. I never said he was any good. Mayuka who knows. Looked impressive when he's had a chance. Offers us something different to what we have. Surprised he's played so little but to write him off is ridiculous. He's made one start and what, 3 sub apps?!?

[Barry Sanchez]

So under your logic we wrote Ali Dia off too soon?

[Saint Garrett]

No as the club had never seen him play, he joined for nothing after and clearly didnt impress on the training field.

 

I'm not saying Mayuka is a good signing...in fact see my 'Mayuka/Forren' thread. But he's shown enough to get a fransfer to us and not on the cheap.

 

Also changed the game vs Spurs and looked bright plenty of other times.

[Olallana]

If we only did a QPR strategy and looked to buy players for one year at a time.....oh that´s what many here suggests I see....

[CB Fry]

If we only did a QPR strategy and looked to buy players for one year at a time.....oh that´s what many here suggests I see....

 

 

Most of their new players are on massive four or five year contracts.

 

 

But yes. There is only two ways to manage player recruitment. Our way, or QPR's way. That's it. Well done.

[Alanh]

Why would you spend £30M to replace one bunch of squad players with another set of squad players? Why not get players in who are better than you have, then the previous first teamers become the squad players?

 

Of the players we brought in over the summer only 4 have usurped others to be genuine first team players (Yoshida, Clyne, Boruc, Ramirez). That cost us around £20M. We've spent around another £15M on squad players in Rodriguez, Mayuka, S.Davis, Gazzaniga and Forren. That's a huge amount to pay for an improved subs bench.

 

You could argue over who's a squad player and who isn't - I'd say that J-Rod and Davis are more established than the likes of Gazza and Mayuka and could be classed as first teamers, but the point is you need 25 players in the squad and so the question is whether they are better than those they have replaced in the squad - the likes of Hammond, Sharp, Seaborne etc.

 

Also, in Prem terms, £15M for 5 players is pretty much the going rate for players who fit our strategy of being able to step in and do a job when required and who also are young enough to have potential for the future, not have huge wages and hopefully have a sell on value.

[Olallana]

Most of their new players are on massive four or five year contracts.

 

 

But yes. There is only two ways to manage player recruitment. Our way, or QPR's way. That's it. Well done.

 

 

And our players are on what length on their contracts?

 

Just saying that people make their judgements on signings after 6-7 months and I believe that is deluded.

Not hard to read in this and other threads that a lot of people want to get rid of some of the signings made this year just because they haven´t performed now.

 

Never said that there is only two ways to manage recruitment, but of course you can read what ever you want in it even if it´s not there.

[Saint Garrett]

Most of their new players are on massive four or five year contracts.

 

 

But yes. There is only two ways to manage player recruitment. Our way, or QPR's way. That's it. Well done.

 

Bit different when they have played in the prem most of their career and are in their peak, rather than new to the league. You can judge someone on a short term basis if thats the case, but if they are young and showing potential, surely it's better to look at a long term benefit!?

 

Fact is, if you buy a player who is in their prime in the prem then you pay them £50/60k a week and a relatively big transfer fee. Our recruitment policy was looking for player who may not be as good now, but are likely to be better in a few years time. Low wages, and value increased. Patience is needed.

[CB Fry]

 

Never said that there is only two ways to manage recruitment, but of course you can read what ever you want in it even if it´s not there.

 

 

Who are these "many people" suggesting we follow the QPR model, as you suggest only a couple of posts up, then?

 

Must be easy to name and quote them as heaven forbid you would "read whatever you want...even if it is not there".

 

So do let us know.

[Olallana]

Who are these "many people" suggesting we follow the QPR model, as you suggest only a couple of posts up, then?

 

Must be easy to name and quote them as heaven forbid you would "read whatever you want...even if it is not there".

 

So do let us know.

 

 

Ever heard that there is a thing called "figure of speach"?

 

I am saying people making their judgements to quickly and want them to be successful in a few months time to be a good signing.

QPR has turned over (I think) 31 players in 2 years. That´s pretty short term thinking.

 

But if I in some way accused your beloved QPR for something by making that note, I apologise.

[CB Fry]

Ever heard that there is a thing called "figure of speach"?

 

I am saying people making their judgements to quickly and want them to be successful in a few months time to be a good signing.

QPR has turned over (I think) 31 players in 2 years. That´s pretty short term thinking.

 

But if I in some way accused your beloved QPR for something by making that note, I apologise.

 

Right. You do it. Figure of speech.

 

Anyone else does it. "Reading things that aren't there".

 

"My beloved QPR" Genius. Another figure of speech I guess. Do point out anywhere, at any point, ever, me saying anything remotely positive about QPR and how they go about things. Take your time.

 

Reading things that aren't there.