KelvinsRightGlove Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 I agree with your appraisal of the first 7 games: 1st half vs Everton we looked good, 2nd half vs United we looked good and for the 90 vs Man city. The rest we have been ave/poor. One question for you..... These 3 (part) games in which we were good, we played a high line and pressed aggresively - why has Tino ditched this tactic so quickly as this was not evident at all vs Newcastle, QPR or Norwich? No idea pal. I'm just as frustrated by the inconsistency as anyone else. There's clearly talent and ability to play well, it just doesn't seem to be there all the time. I've been banging my head against walls at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 I agree with your appraisal of the first 7 games: 1st half vs Everton we looked good, 2nd half vs United we looked good and for the 90 vs Man city. The rest we have been ave/poor. One question for you..... These 3 (part) games in which we were good, we played a high line and pressed aggresively - why has Tino ditched this tactic so quickly as this was not evident at all vs Newcastle, QPR or Norwich? I agree about Newcastle game. Against QPR we had the ball most of the time, then the pressing game cant be used in the same way. Same against Norwich but we could probably have done more pressing there too, agree. I though think that the conditions can be a factor for the lack of it. I think the pressing game is more effective against other teams that want to keep possession, in the other games we need to be more chlinical, cause we are producing enough chances to win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 I think we can take Fergie's comments with a pinch of salt, he is overally complimentary about every team they beat, thats just his way And we can take what you say with a pinch of salt because you make up every quote you post on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 We were also pretty good for 45 minutes against Wigan in the second half until their late equaliser. In addition, without really raising our game or looking particularly good, we dominated and kept Norwich to very few attacks on the weekend. However, if you just want to talk about pressing, forget Norwich, QPR or Newcastle (the latter of which we pressed for about 5 minutes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 A good team gets results even when they aren't playing well, a bad team struggles to get results even when they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 13 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 13 March, 2013 A good team gets results even when they aren't playing well, a bad team struggles to get results even when they are. What are you saying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 To be fair, we are probably the best 16th placed side this league has ever seen. I'm buzzing about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 March, 2013 Share Posted 13 March, 2013 What are you saying? I'm saying a good team get results even when they aren't playing well, a bad team struggles to get results even when they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 14 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 14 March, 2013 I'm saying a good team get results even when they aren't playing well, a bad team struggles to get results even when they are. Cant argue with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 14 March, 2013 Share Posted 14 March, 2013 Saints could be the best team to be relegated from the Prem since we were last relegated in 2005. Something needs to be done and losing your temper with a referee after a poor decsion that hasn't affected the outcome of a match, is not that thing, espacially when you don't speak the same language as the ref. Shuffling the pack isn't doing it and if New Manager Syndrome played a part for the first 2 or 3 games, that seems to be fading. Cortese's timing on the manager change made no sense with the new man unable to influence any new signings in the Jan window. With a lot of pundits expecting Southampton to lose the next two games its important that we don't, but what to do? If any of us on here knew the answer, we'd deserve to be in the manager's office instead of Pochettino but is is looking as if the person who should be there is the bloke taking the club to an Employment Tribunal. If the merchants of gloom are correct and we do lose the next two games, it is probable we will be in the bottom 3 with 7 games to go. If Pochettino saves relegation after that he will be a hero, if not we could be looking at a new manager for next season. And Cortese should walk to Adkins' house, wherever he's living, to apologise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 16 March, 2013 Interesting debate going on about Tino and Lambert; truth is the goals have dried up and even the chances have dropped 70% on his seasons average. Lambert is obviously not suited to the closing down / defending from the front so why are we persisting with this with Lambert? He is clearly not happy. Strikes me as a bit dumb, similar to entering a Vauxhall corsa in an F1 race and expecting to win!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 16 March, 2013 Share Posted 16 March, 2013 Whilst I'd never be stupid or ignorant enough to compare Lambert to a Vauxhall Corsa, I do agree that the new style doesn't seem suited to him. It's a style based around high-tempo, pressing, running and being constantly on the move... all of which are things we all acknowledge are weak points in Lamberts game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 16 March, 2013 Whilst I'd never be stupid or ignorant enough to compare Lambert to a Vauxhall Corsa, I do agree that the new style doesn't seem suited to him. It's a style based around high-tempo, pressing, running and being constantly on the move... all of which are things we all acknowledge are weak points in Lamberts game. "Play to your strenghs" said Adkins after we were promoted! A lesson Tino needs to learn v.fast If we can all see the problems, why cant he? Worried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 16 March, 2013 Share Posted 16 March, 2013 We can't see what happens in training though, nor what is said in the dressing room and in the team's tactics discussions, so it goes both ways. We know very little really. I'm a huge Lambert fan, make no mistake, but I'd like to see JRod up front alone with Gaston, Punch and Lallana / Davis behind him. All are players that like to run, press, challenge and are very mobile. It's a shame that there seems to be a fear of even talking about Lambert not playing though. It's seen as though any hint of that is equivalent to direct abuse aimed at him, or thinking he's ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 16 March, 2013 Share Posted 16 March, 2013 We can't see what happens in training though, nor what is said in the dressing room and in the team's tactics discussions, so it goes both ways. We know very little really. I'm a huge Lambert fan, make no mistake, but I'd like to see JRod up front alone with Gaston, Punch and Lallana / Davis behind him. All are players that like to run, press, challenge and are very mobile. It's a shame that there seems to be a fear of even talking about Lambert not playing though. It's seen as though any hint of that is equivalent to direct abuse aimed at him, or thinking he's ****. Agree, on a horses-for-courses basis. Lambert has been very effective when he's come off the bench v City and Chelsea away. Can we replicate this tactic at home? I don't know but we can hardly do worse than we did v QPR LOL. We have lots of good attacking options but are struggling for a blend, and for somebody to stick it in the net! Reckon Glenn Murray in the window could have done a job for us in front of any of our midfield three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 16 March, 2013 Agree, on a horses-for-courses basis. Lambert has been very effective when he's come off the bench v City and Chelsea away. Can we replicate this tactic at home? I don't know but we can hardly do worse than we did v QPR LOL. We have lots of good attacking options but are struggling for a blend, and for somebody to stick it in the net! Reckon Glenn Murray in the window could have done a job for us in front of any of our midfield three. Murray is similar to Lambert imo! I think because of Tino's one dimensional / non flexible style we need to change the players rather than getting the best out of what we have. We need a Robbie Keane type Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARCELONASAINT Posted 16 March, 2013 Share Posted 16 March, 2013 Honestly i swear some of you just totally ignore the truth sometimes because it suits your agenda......our manager DOES SPEAK ENGLISH, he is perfectly able to talk to the players and to have a go at the ref if he feels he made a bad decision. He chooses to to use an interpretur for interviews because English is not his natural language and he is not confident enough to use it in interviews.....now i wonder why that is???.....forget about the press that would twist everything he says because he might use the wrong words accidentally.....can you imagine the idiots on hear that that would have a field day twisting everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 16 March, 2013 Honestly i swear some of you just totally ignore the truth sometimes because it suits your agenda......our manager DOES SPEAK ENGLISH, he is perfectly able to talk to the players and to have a go at the ref if he feels he made a bad decision. He chooses to to use an interpretur for interviews because English is not his natural language and he is not confident enough to use it in interviews.....now i wonder why that is???.....forget about the press that would twist everything he says because he might use the wrong words accidentally.....can you imagine the idiots on hear that that would have a field day twisting everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARCELONASAINT Posted 16 March, 2013 Share Posted 16 March, 2013 oh the irony of the above poster.....sums up what this forum has become! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 16 March, 2013 oh the irony of the above poster.....sums up what this forum has become! P.s when Tino embarrassingly marched onto the pitch to moan about the penalty that was saved, he did so with his translator right next to him!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latter day saint Posted 16 March, 2013 Share Posted 16 March, 2013 P.s when Tino embarrassingly marched onto the pitch to moan about the penalty that was saved, he did so with his translator right next to him!!! wasnt that Jesus Perez, the assistant manager? would expect him to walk out as well wouldnt you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 16 March, 2013 (edited) wasnt that Jesus Perez, the assistant manager? would expect him to walk out as well wouldnt you ? Correct Edited 16 March, 2013 by Glasgow_Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 16 March, 2013 Share Posted 16 March, 2013 wasnt that Jesus Perez, the assistant manager? would expect him to walk out as well wouldnt you ? yes it was but for Glasgow it´s better to not let the truth stand in the way of his arguments... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 16 March, 2013 (edited) Ok just watched it again and youre right. Yet another Myth busted by Glasgow Saint Edited 16 March, 2013 by Glasgow_Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 16 March, 2013 Share Posted 16 March, 2013 "Play to your strenghs" said Adkins after we were promoted! A lesson Tino needs to learn v.fast If we can all see the problems, why cant he? Worried Well, he's now got two weeks to sort all of today's problems out. If he can't turn it round quickly he will have to go. Mp out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 16 March, 2013 Well, he's now got two weeks to sort all of today's problems out. If he can't turn it round quickly he will have to go. Mp out! Hopefully buy a red tie too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldbarbarian Posted 16 March, 2013 Share Posted 16 March, 2013 Puts paid to that myth I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 16 March, 2013 Puts paid to that myth I think Delighted with todays win, but thats 2 wins from 8..... same win ratio as Adkins last 8 games. Tino was supposed to be a massive improvement? Dont get carried away, long way to go yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 16 March, 2013 Share Posted 16 March, 2013 I'm so glad I was wrong. Well done Saints. I really did fear today. I thought we'd dominate (as usual), but get undone by Suarez. Thank you, Saints, very proud. Superb team effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 16 March, 2013 Share Posted 16 March, 2013 Delighted with todays win, but thats 2 wins from 8..... same win ratio as Adkins last 8 games. Tino was supposed to be a massive improvement? Dont get carried away, long way to go yet So now the task is massive improvement....keeps changing by the week.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 16 March, 2013 Share Posted 16 March, 2013 So now the task is massive improvement....keeps changing by the week.... So qualifying for European competition wouldn't be a "massive improvement" then? You're hard to please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 16 March, 2013 Share Posted 16 March, 2013 So qualifying for European competition wouldn't be a "massive improvement" then? You're hard to please. Hmm dont understand that. The task is to secure contract + getting as high as possible IMO. And I thought that was the aim for everyone, hence my question to him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 16 March, 2013 Hmm dont understand that. The task is to secure contract + getting as high as possible IMO. And I thought that was the aim for everyone, hence my question to him... You need to decide what you want and get behind the team imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 16 March, 2013 Share Posted 16 March, 2013 Hmm dont understand that. The task is to secure contract + getting as high as possible IMO. And I thought that was the aim for everyone, hence my question to him... He's got a contract. What are you talking about? I think you'll find this is all part of a "project" to land European football. Not my opinion. From Cortese. That would be a massive improvement in my eyes, if not yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 16 March, 2013 He's got a contract. What are you talking about? I think you'll find this is all part of a "project" to land European football. Not my opinion. From Cortese. That would be a massive improvement in my eyes, if not yours. I think olallana is just unrealistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 16 March, 2013 Share Posted 16 March, 2013 we should have ponch manage against top 10 teams and adkins manage against bottom 10 teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 16 March, 2013 Share Posted 16 March, 2013 we should have ponch manage against top 10 teams and adkins manage against bottom 10 teams Bearsy what a great idea we would win qualify for europe with that combination! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 16 March, 2013 Share Posted 16 March, 2013 we should have ponch manage against top 10 teams and adkins manage against bottom 10 teams Please understand that I have to do this, for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 16 March, 2013 Share Posted 16 March, 2013 So now the task is massive improvement....keeps changing by the week.... See you have surfaced on this thread again, now your "shots at goal is the measure of performance" finally came right for one game. Great performance, great win, now let's do it against the modest teams too and we will be in clover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 16 March, 2013 Share Posted 16 March, 2013 See you have surfaced on this thread again, now your "shots at goal is the measure of performance" finally came right for one game. Great performance, great win, now let's do it against the modest teams too and we will be in clover Actually it has come right in almost 50% of the games this year out of the almost 300 played. And if you are winning that stat you only lose 22% of the games.... Nice to see that you´re following me though, PM me your adress and I´ll send you a signed photo... What do YOU think by the way. Dominating 7 of 8 games so far under MP, are we improving or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 16 March, 2013 Classic SWF.....we get one win and suddenly everyone should get and England call up and transfer values multiply by 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 16 March, 2013 Share Posted 16 March, 2013 Actually it has come right in almost 50% of the games this year out of the almost 300 played. And if you are winning that stat you only lose 22% of the games.... Nice to see that you´re following me though, PM me your adress and I´ll send you a signed photo... What do YOU think by the way. Dominating 7 of 8 games so far under MP, are we improving or not? As Glasgow pointed out already "Delighted with todays win, but thats 2 wins from 8..... same win ratio as Adkins last 8 games." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 16 March, 2013 Share Posted 16 March, 2013 Heard this alot since the QPR nightmare - few selected quotes below since Saturday........ Got me thinking have we really been "brilliant" "excellent" World class" "Technical genuis" ect ect 1) Everton game we looked good for first 60 minutes 2) United away - shocking in 1st half, good 2nd 3) Wigan same as Man united very poor in 1st 45 good for 2nd half 4) Man City good for 90 5) Newcastle again good for 40 (1st 20 minutes of each half) poor for 50 6) QPR very poor for 90 minutes So imho we have played well for 280 minutes under Tino and been poor for 260. or 50/50 So we have been good for the 90 minutes only once, we have won one game in 6 and we are now in a real relegation battle. The myth that we have been "superb" since Tino arrived is now dead. We haven't been superb but have played well since his arrival. Everton - good United - didn't see but stats, independent reporters, Fergie all show one of better performances from away team this season Wigan - think reports were we were pretty good, but can't remember so will give you one fair assessment Man C - excellent Newcastle - Dave M and Alan P both said v good, goals against looked unlucky QPR is hard one, was gutted as spark seemed missing. On reflection we weren't that bad. They sat back. We had some scrappy half chances, got frustrated and game went away. We weren't v poor for 90. Norwich - pretty good. Liverpool - excellent. As op discussing quality of play since arrival of new manager, think its impressive. Would NA have done better, same, or worse? I find it hard to compare as I didn't want him sacked. However, if asked for my predictions for those games , before NA left, reckon I would have gone for 6 or 7 points. Doubt many would have predicted 9. Wonder if those moaning about him would honestly have predicted 9 from those games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 16 March, 2013 Share Posted 16 March, 2013 We haven't been superb but have played well since his arrival. Everton - good United - didn't see but stats, independent reporters, Fergie all show one of better performances from away team this season Wigan - think reports were we were pretty good, but can't remember so will give you one fair assessment Man C - excellent Newcastle - Dave M and Alan P both said v good, goals against looked unlucky QPR is hard one, was gutted as spark seemed missing. On reflection we weren't that bad. They sat back. We had some scrappy half chances, got frustrated and game went away. We weren't v poor for 90. Norwich - pretty good. Liverpool - excellent. As op discussing quality of play since arrival of new manager, think its impressive. Would NA have done better, same, or worse? I find it hard to compare as I didn't want him sacked. However, if asked for my predictions for those games , before NA left, reckon I would have gone for 6 or 7 points. Doubt many would have predicted 9. Wonder if those moaning about him would honestly have predicted 9 from those games? You're making out that nine points from eight games is some stunning achievement. It's pretty much relegation form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToreSF Posted 16 March, 2013 Share Posted 16 March, 2013 You're making out that nine points from eight games is some stunning achievement. It's pretty much relegation form. How on earth is that relegation form? Over a season it gives you 42 points. Either way, I think we have played better football under Pochettino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 16 March, 2013 Wonder if those moaning about him would honestly have predicted 9 from those games? This was my prediction from before Pinocchio was appointed (after Chelsea game) Everton WIN MAN U LOSE Wigan WIN Man City Draw Newcastle Lose QPR WIN Norwich WIN Liverpool Draw So under Adkins i fully expected 14 points - i didnt redo my prediction after Pinocchio was appointed but on the basis of him being an "improvement" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 16 March, 2013 Share Posted 16 March, 2013 The coach got it spot on today.. Well done Poch and well done the team:D Great team result.. COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 16 March, 2013 Share Posted 16 March, 2013 This was my prediction from before Pinocchio was appointed (after Chelsea game) Everton WIN MAN U LOSE Wigan WIN Man City Draw Newcastle Lose QPR WIN Norwich WIN Liverpool Draw So under Adkins i fully expected 14 points - i didnt redo my prediction after Pinocchio was appointed but on the basis of him being an "improvement" Then you're f**king deluded. You realise that's basically champions league form? Have a leaf through when you're not spouting s**t on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 16 March, 2013 Then you're f**king deluded. You realise that's basically champions league form? Have a leaf through when you're not spouting s**t on here. You didnt think we could beat Everton, Wigan, QPR and Norwich? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 16 March, 2013 Share Posted 16 March, 2013 Actually it has come right in almost 50% of the games this year out of the almost 300 played. And if you are winning that stat you only lose 22% of the games.... Nice to see that you´re following me though, PM me your adress and I´ll send you a signed photo... What do YOU think by the way. Dominating 7 of 8 games so far under MP, are we improving or not? So it's been wrong in over 50% of the 300 games played this season, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts