Team playing well under Pochettino: MYTH

[Glasgow_Saint]

Hi

I thought we did?

 

Chelsea - D

Villa - W

Chelsea - L

Arsenal - D

Stoke - D

Fulham - D

Sunderland - L

 

 

nicely cut off to exclude the reading win!

 

 

this thread is about Pinocchio, not Nigel. you started alot of anti Nigel threads so go bump one of them?

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Barring Sunderland every performance was of a better standard than what we've seen under MP.

 

Balderdash. Villa we only won cost Benteke decided to spoon everything over the bar, we were average against Fulham. We threw away a 3-1 lead to 10 man Stoke.

 

We played well against Arsenal, and played a good away performance against Chelsea. Neither were as good performance wise as City at home or United away, and they are far better than Chelsea and Arsenal.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Hi

 

 

nicely cut off to exclude the reading win!

 

 

this thread is about Pinocchio, not Nigel. you started alot of anti Nigel threads so go bump one of them?

 

No, just comparing 7 games v 7 games.

 

We all know why YOU don't like Pochettino...

[110_Persaint]

You think the 5-1 loss against Chelsea was a better performance than beating Man City 3-1? Really?

Excluding the City game which I've come to the conclusion of was a fluke based on subsequent performances, yes (and cup games don't count, that was a weakened team we fielded).

[Olallana]

Barring Sunderland every performance was of a better standard than what we've seen under MP.

 

Did you see the Fulham game?

[sandwichsaint]

Love him or hate him, the writing's on the wall for this man. It's painfully obvious our next three games will be three losses and his position will come under heavy scrutiny. He should consider himself lucky if we somehow manage to stay up. I for one seriously doubt he'll be in charge next season, whichever division we're in.

 

Maybe when you next post, pause, read what you've just written, and ask yourself 'Why have I just written this crock?'

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Excluding the City game which I've come to the conclusion of was a fluke based on subsequent performances, yes (and cup games don't count, that was a weakened team we fielded).

 

Lol, what a lying wum.

[Matthew Le God]

Excluding the City game which I've come to the conclusion of was a fluke based on subsequent performances, yes (and cup games don't count, that was a weakened team we fielded).

 

Then why did you make your original statement if it is wrong and you have to make such follow up statements?

 

Saints have played well in every game under Pochetinno and continue to create numerous chances. It would be far more concerning if we weren't creating chances and losing. Yes, it is disappointing we haven't picked up more points but it isn't anywhere near as bad as many on here are making out.

 

You are a wind up merchant and a boring one at that!

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Did you see the Fulham game?

 

Course he didn't, he doesn't see any games as he doesn't support Saints.

[shurlock]

Excluding the City game which I've come to the conclusion of was a fluke based on subsequent performances, yes (and cup games don't count, that was a weakened team we fielded).

 

Leave the wummery to the experts, you tedious little to$$er.

[Olallana]

Never mind that the only thing that matters is how many shots at goal we had.

 

Yep silly me for looking at the OP and thinking this was a discussion about performances more than about results.....

But start a thread about results we can discuss that, but it wont be much of a discussion cause results are pretty much a fact.

 

In that case we can also discuss "Is Oslo the capital of Norway?" or "Would you rather sh*g Jessiba Alba than Margaret Thatcher?".

[110_Persaint]

Then why did you make your original statement if it is wrong and you have to make such follow up statements?

 

Saints have played well in every game under Pochetinno and continue to create numerous chances. It would be far more concerning if we weren't creating chances and losing. Yes, it is disappointing we haven't picked up more points but it isn't anywhere near as bad as many on here are making out.

 

You are a wind up merchant and a boring one at that!

When someone resorts to an isolated exception to disprove a general rule, that is what winds me up the most.

 

My point still stands. The City game was a one-off. The expected three points at home to QPR wiped out the 'bonus' points we got there, and since that game all our subsequent performances combined have not yielded as good an overall performance as the one that evening. Sure, it was an exception and you can expound on that point all you like, but the bigger picture is that we've not been playing well. One fantastic performance out of seven does not a good team or manager make.

[Glasgow_Saint]

the classic 'I've lost the argument let's just call him a wum'

 

 

so predictable less originality than saints in the final 3rd PMSL

[shurlock]

the classic 'I've lost the argument let's just call him a wum'

 

 

so predictable less originality than saints in the final 3rd PMSL

 

So did Yoshida cost us the game?

 

Take your time...

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

the classic 'I've lost the argument let's just call him a wum'

 

 

so predictable less originality than saints in the final 3rd PMSL

 

Classic GS!

[Glasgow_Saint]

Ok quick summary of myth busters.......

 

 

1) Team is playing very well under Tino MYTH

2) Pinocchio did a fantastic job at Espanyol MYTH

3) Pochey had other job offers but chose Saints MYTH

4) Mario is a "technical genius" MYTH

5) Ramirez will improve under Pinocchio MYTH

6) Lallana will improve under Tino MYTH

7) Our defence isn't a complete sieve like it was under Adkins MYTH

8 ) Tino is an improvement on NA and will take us to the next level MYTH

 

have i missed any?

[Saint Garrett]

Ok quick summary of myth busters.......

 

 

1) Team is playing very well under Tino MYTH

2) Pinocchio did a fantastic job at Espanyol MYTH

3) Pochey had other job offers but chose Saints MYTH

4) Mario is a "technical genius" MYTH

5) Ramirez will improve under Pinocchio MYTH

6) Lallana will improve under Tino MYTH

7) Our defence isn't a complete sieve like it was under Adkins MYTH

8 ) Tino is an improvement on NA and will take us to the next level MYTH

 

have i missed any?

 

You're a half decent poster....MYTH.

[Crab Lungs]

It's still too early to fully judge MP's reign but I will say one thing (something I said at the very start after Everton) - attacking wise, incisiveness-wise, we've regressed, massively.

[Glasgow_Saint]

You're a half decent poster....MYTH.

 

Thanks

[Glasgow_Saint]

It's still too early to fully judge MP's reign but I will say one thing (something I said at the very start after Everton) - attacking wise, incisiveness-wise, we've regressed, massively.

 

I also noticed last 3 games that his trade mark high pressing game has been scrapped.

[110_Persaint]

Ok quick summary of myth busters.......

 

 

1) Team is playing very well under Tino MYTH

2) Pinocchio did a fantastic job at Espanyol MYTH

3) Pochey had other job offers but chose Saints MYTH

4) Mario is a "technical genius" MYTH

5) Ramirez will improve under Pinocchio MYTH

6) Lallana will improve under Tino MYTH

7) Our defence isn't a complete sieve like it was under Adkins MYTH

8 ) Tino is an improvement on NA and will take us to the next level MYTH

 

have i missed any?

9) Pochettino will keep us up MYTH is pending confirmation

[Dalek2003]

I also noticed last 3 games that his trade mark high pressing game has been scrapped.

 

I wonder why ?

[Horley CTFC Saint]

9) Pochettino will keep us up MYTH is pending confirmation

10. Lallana's goal MYTH

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

11. Glasgow Saint and 110_Persaint are Saints fans - MYTH

[Glasgow_Saint]

I wonder why ?

 

No idea? You?

[110_Persaint]

11. Glasgow Saint and 110_Persaint are Saints fans - MYTH

My history as a a lifelong Saints fan is well documented on Saints Forever thank you very much.

[Glasgow_Saint]

My history as a a lifelong Saints fan is well documented on Saints Forever thank you very much.

 

I love comments like that from DPS, to me stinks of a defeated man accepting that we have won this debate.

 

High five mate.......

[110_Persaint]

I love comments like that from DPS, to me stinks of a defeated man accepting that we have won this debate.

 

High five mate.......

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I love comments like that from DPS, to me stinks of a defeated man accepting that we have won this debate.

 

High five mate.......

 

Classic!

[Turkish]

Then why did you make your original statement if it is wrong and you have to make such follow up statements?

 

Saints have played well in every game under Pochetinno and continue to create numerous chances. It would be far more concerning if we weren't creating chances and losing. Yes, it is disappointing we haven't picked up more points but it isn't anywhere near as bad as many on here are making out.

 

You are a wind up merchant and a boring one at that!

 

Are you not worried we've had almost 50 attempts at goal in the last 2 games and scored once and that was due to a goalkeeper blunder.

[Crab Lungs]

Are you not worried we've had almost 50 attempts at goal in the last 2 games and scored once and that was due to a goalkeeper blunder.

 

Not when you've got 15 for finishing and heading. It'll come good, just like it does on Football Manager.

[St_Tel49]

When someone resorts to an isolated exception to disprove a general rule, that is what winds me up the most.

 

My point still stands. The City game was a one-off. The expected three points at home to QPR wiped out the 'bonus' points we got there, and since that game all our subsequent performances combined have not yielded as good an overall performance as the one that evening. Sure, it was an exception and you can expound on that point all you like, but the bigger picture is that we've not been playing well. One fantastic performance out of seven does not a good team or manager make.

Yes we have but there has been a collective failure to turn chances into goals.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Saturday is huge - I can see/hear a few "One Nigel" chants if we are below par yet again

[Greenridge]

Saturday is huge - I can see/hear a few "One Nigel" chants if we are below par yet again

 

From whom?

[Lets B Avenue]

Saturday is huge - I can see/hear a few "One Nigel" chants if we are below par yet again

 

How can you see a chant and especially from Glasgow?

[shirleysfc]

Saturday is huge - I can see/hear a few "One Nigel" chants if we are below par yet again

 

Unlikely.

[Tokyo-Saint]

How can you see a chant and especially from Glasgow?

 

Ha! He's got you there glesga. I've seen sounds before but only in old batman TV programs and batman doesn't support saints.

[Tokyo-Saint]

Not when you've got 15 for finishing and heading. It'll come good, just like it does on Football Manager.

 

You also need composure as well crabby, that is what I would say we are missing. That's why La Llama is smashing it over the bar, he only has 11 and that is with training.

[Lets B Avenue]

Ha! He's got you there glesga. I've seen sounds before but only in old batman TV programs and batman doesn't support saints.

 

Does Glasgow?

 

ZAP!! POW!!

[Glasgow_Saint]

Unlikely.

 

I travelled down for the Newcastle game and there was a small(ish) group singing "One Nigel" after the Newcastle 4th goal.

 

+

 

Mate of mine has a season ticket in the Northam and said the song got quite loud after the QPR winner

 

Question: If the poor form / lack of points continues will you just accept it or will you voice your concern?

 

I'm pressuming youre a "Im just pleased to have a club, look where we were 3 years ago bla bla bla" type of fan?

[Olallana]

So, who is Nigel Adkins nr.2?

 

Anyone famous?

Have to admit, I am only familiar with one Nigel Adkins at the moment...

[eelpie]

A farce .. really !!?? A long ball over the top, which their pacey ran on to & scored. Remy was clean through ... it was fairly obvious he was going to score !

 

Exactly. We are always going to be vulnerable to fast running towards our goal when we play so far upfield all of the time. And if we don't score early we become more porous as the team tires.

 

We suffered badly for our first ten matches before Adkins rethought tactics and moved us out of the relegation zone. Now we are sinking back into it.

 

MC (and NC) are in denial of the reasons why NA achieved better results in the weeks before he was sacked.

 

But perhaps not all is lost yet, as we defended so much better against Norwich

[eelpie]

Exactly. We are always going to be vulnerable to fast running towards our goal when we play so far upfield all of the time. And if we don't score early we become more porous as the team tires.

 

We suffered badly for our first ten matches in the PL before Adkins rethought tactics and moved us out of the relegation zone. Now we are sinking back into it.

 

MP (and NC) are in denial of the reasons why NA achieved better results in the weeks before he was sacked.

 

But perhaps not all is lost yet, as we defended so much better against Norwich

 

(corrected)

[Lord Duckhunter]

We suffered badly for our first ten matches before Adkins rethought tactics and moved us out of the relegation zone. Now we are sinking back into it.

 

MC (and NC) are in denial of the reasons why NA achieved better results in the weeks before he was sacked.

 

But perhaps not all is lost yet, as we defended so much better against Norwich

 

Sides can pick up and then slip back into their early season form, so who is to say we wouldn't have achieved more or less the same results had Nigel stayed as we have under MP, they are the same players after all. Look at Reading, picked up for a while , was that BM tactical genius and if so where's it gone?

 

Would we have picked up the same results had Nigel gone earlier, certainly Norwich and Swansea home I'm convinced we'd have won had Nigel stuck with the mad Pole in nets and not continued with the ridiculous Gazzaniga experiment.

[tajjuk]

 

Mate of mine has a season ticket in the Northam and said the song got quite loud after the QPR winner

 

 

Your mate is telling porkies.

 

Exactly. We are always going to be vulnerable to fast running towards our goal when we play so far upfield all of the time. And if we don't score early we become more porous as the team tires.

 

We suffered badly for our first ten matches before Adkins rethought tactics and moved us out of the relegation zone. Now we are sinking back into it.

 

MC (and NC) are in denial of the reasons why NA achieved better results in the weeks before he was sacked.

 

But perhaps not all is lost yet, as we defended so much better against Norwich

 

We were just out of it under Adkins and we are just out of it under Pochettino.

 

Funny that the same bunch of players are performing about the same.

 

Sides can pick up and then slip back into their early season form, so who is to say we wouldn't have achieved more or less the same results had Nigel stayed as we have under MP, they are the same players after all. Look at Reading, picked up for a while , was that BM tactical genius and if so where's it gone?

 

Would we have picked up the same results had Nigel gone earlier, certainly Norwich and Swansea home I'm convinced we'd have won had Nigel stuck with the mad Pole in nets and not continued with the ridiculous Gazzaniga experiment.

 

Agree on the Gazza point. We'd be several points better of had he been around.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Watching SSN earlier and interview with Gus Poyet. Main interview was about the vacancy at Reading and him being one of the front runners. He said he would not comment on the Reading job and was happy at Brighton.

 

He then said that "McDermott and Adkins were the best managers in the championship last year and both are now without jobs, that doesnt seem right. You would have thought Reading may have looked at Southampton and seen that changing a manager doesnt guarantee improvements, Southampton have been poor since Adkins left"

 

Is this the words of a bitter rival or the general feeling on the outside?

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Watching SSN earlier and interview with Gus Poyet. Main interview was about the vacancy at Reading and him being one of the front runners. He said he would not comment on the Reading job and was happy at Brighton.

 

He then said that "McDermott and Adkins were the best managers in the championship last year and both are now without jobs, that doesnt seem right. You would have thought Reading may have looked at Southampton and seen that changing a manager doesnt guarantee improvements, Southampton have been poor since Adkins left"

 

Is this the words of a bitter rival or the general feeling on the outside?

 

Is this an actual question or not?

 

For balance, Fergie said we were the best team he has seen at OT this season, and that was after Adkins left.

 

For me, the truth is most likely somewhere in the middle.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Watching SSN earlier and interview with Gus Poyet. Main interview was about the vacancy at Reading and him being one of the front runners. He said he would not comment on the Reading job and was happy at Brighton.

 

He then said that "McDermott and Adkins were the best managers in the championship last year and both are now without jobs, that doesnt seem right. You would have thought Reading may have looked at Southampton and seen that changing a manager doesnt guarantee improvements, Southampton have been poor since Adkins left"

 

Is this the words of a bitter rival or the general feeling on the outside?

 

Is this an actual question or not?

 

For balance, Fergie said we were the best team he has seen at OT this season, and that was after Adkins left.

 

For me, the truth is most likely somewhere in the middle.

 

 

I think we can take Fergie's comments with a pinch of salt, he is overally complimentary about every team they beat, thats just his way

[KelvinsRightGlove]

I think we can take Fergie's comments with a pinch of salt, he is overally complimentary about every team they beat, thats just his way

 

There may be some truth in that granted, but I still don't think he would say we were the best team he's seen this season if we were truly abject.

 

We have been far from 'awful since Adkins left'. I'm not saying we have been world beaters, before this gets twisted. But performances vs Everton, Utd & City were, in my opinion, pretty good.

 

At times we have looked pretty bad, agreed.

 

I just disagree with the statement Poyet made, and gave an example of another opinion from the outside which suggests this is the general opinion. I think Moyes may have been pretty complimentary of our performance against his side also, or should that one be dismissed too?

[Glasgow_Saint]

There may be some truth in that granted, but I still don't think he would say we were the best team he's seen this season if we were truly abject.

 

We have been far from 'awful since Adkins left'. I'm not saying we have been world beaters, before this gets twisted. But performances vs Everton, Utd & City were, in my opinion, pretty good.

 

At times we have looked pretty bad, agreed.

 

I just disagree with the statement Poyet made, and gave an example of another opinion from the outside which suggests this is the general opinion. I think Moyes may have been pretty complimentary of our performance against his side also, or should that one be dismissed too?

 

I agree with your appraisal of the first 7 games: 1st half vs Everton we looked good, 2nd half vs United we looked good and for the 90 vs Man city. The rest we have been ave/poor.

 

One question for you..... These 3 (part) games in which we were good, we played a high line and pressed aggresively - why has Tino ditched this tactic so quickly as this was not evident at all vs Newcastle, QPR or Norwich?