Olallana Posted 4 March, 2013 Posted 4 March, 2013 In their last 5 games only Man United and Spurs have had more shots at goal than them, they are proving themselves to be an excellent side. Yes, and they are above us in the table, so I guess you are getting the logics......
CB Fry Posted 4 March, 2013 Posted 4 March, 2013 Yes, and they are above us in the table, so I guess you are getting the logics...... They're above us in the table because their form is better than ours.
Olallana Posted 4 March, 2013 Posted 4 March, 2013 They're above us in the table because their form is better than ours. For the record, I never said our results form were better. Just put another view on it instead of looking at last six games.
Turkish Posted 4 March, 2013 Posted 4 March, 2013 Yes, and they are above us in the table, so I guess you are getting the logics...... I though you were jut slating their current points, surely this is totally irrelevant as in 3 of their last 5 games they've had ore shots than thier opponents, which is all that matters.
Olallana Posted 4 March, 2013 Posted 4 March, 2013 I though you were jut slating their current points, surely this is totally irrelevant as in 3 of their last 5 games they've had ore shots than thier opponents, which is all that matters. Well since you have got stuck in repeat mode I´ll say it once more. No, I did not say that everything matters about having more shots. What I did say is that in the long run the team that creates more chances is more likely to win games, than teams that dont create as many chances as their opponents. The team with fewer chances will win games yes, but I was never talking about the odd game. That is very easy to find out if you just check stats from, let´s say 100 games, if that is enough for you to say that stats are reliable? I did say that in a thread that were about that we haven´t performed any better under MP than under Adkins. I disagree with that and to not only make it an opinion I backed it up with stats, and in almost every post I said that it was _in the long run_. Stats proves me right if you look at a bigger amount of games, or as I did call it "the bigger picture". End of.
Turkish Posted 4 March, 2013 Posted 4 March, 2013 Well since you have got stuck in repeat mode I´ll say it once more. No, I did not say that everything matters about having more shots. What I did say is that in the long run the team that creates more chances is more likely to win games, than teams that dont create as many chances as their opponents. The team with fewer chances will win games yes, but I was never talking about the odd game. That is very easy to find out if you just check stats from, let´s say 100 games, if that is enough for you to say that stats are reliable? I did say that in a thread that were about that we haven´t performed any better under MP than under Adkins. I disagree with that and to not only make it an opinion I backed it up with stats, and in almost every post I said that it was _in the long run_. Stats proves me right if you look at a bigger amount of games, or as I did call it "the bigger picture". End of. You said we'd performed 'much better' under Pochetino than Adkins because we'd had more shots at goal, when Adkins has taken more points from the same amount of games. So what's more important, shots at goal or points? You can't seem to make up your mind as you're slating Norwich on this thread for their not so good current form when they've had more shots at goal than their opposition in over half their last 5 games. Surely they are also playing 'much better'?
Olallana Posted 4 March, 2013 Posted 4 March, 2013 You said we'd performed 'much better' under Pochetino than Adkins because we'd had more shots at goal, when Adkins has taken more points from the same amount of games. So what's more important, shots at goal or points? You can't seem to make up your mind as you're slating Norwich on this thread for their not so good current form when they've had more shots at goal than their opposition in over half their last 5 games. Surely they are also playing 'much better'? Just where did I slate Norwich in their form? I put another view of it that if you look back more than six games to look at their form. And btw, did you see their results from those games when they had more shots? Yes, 5 points from 3 games. Seems like my thoughts are backed up also in short term at times, even though that is not what I have been talking about. But you choose to put different angles on every sentence instead of reading (and answering) my points of view. I know that that is what you love to do, so I´ll let you continue with that. Yes I said that I think we have played much better under MP, that´s an opinion. People have different opinions, kind of normal. I backed it up with stats and only talked about those stats in the long run, still you keep coming back to single games, or the last few games which for me is not any kind of long run.
Turkish Posted 4 March, 2013 Posted 4 March, 2013 Or 7 points from last 11 games..... HEre. HTH Just where did I slate Norwich in their form? I put another view of it that if you look back more than six games to look at their form. And btw, did you see their results from those games when they had more shots? Yes, 5 points from 3 games. Seems like my thoughts are backed up also in short term at times, even though that is not what I have been talking about. But you choose to put different angles on every sentence instead of reading (and answering) my points of view. I know that that is what you love to do, so I´ll let you continue with that. Yes I said that I think we have played much better under MP, that´s an opinion. People have different opinions, kind of normal. I backed it up with stats and only talked about those stats in the long run, still you keep coming back to single games, or the last few games which for me is not any kind of long run. The stats you used were irrelevant, shots at goal only mean something if the ball hits the back of the net, we only managed it once on Saturday, QPR did twice despite having less, that's why they won, they scored more goals. That's what wins games and that's why Man United, Chelsea, Spurs and the other clubs you list have been successful, they score more and concede less.
the saint in winchester Posted 4 March, 2013 Posted 4 March, 2013 Boruc Richardson Fonte Yoshida Shaw Cork Schneiderlin Chaplow Davis j_rod Mayuka Subs: K Davis, Clyne, Forren, Ramirez, Puncheon, Lambert, Lallana
Pilchards Posted 5 March, 2013 Posted 5 March, 2013 Boruc Richardson Fonte Yoshida Shaw Cork Schneiderlin Chaplow Davis j_rod Mayuka Subs: K Davis, Clyne, Forren, Ramirez, Puncheon, Lambert, Lallana Not the strongest sub bench, would swap Yoshida for Forren.
Saint Garrett Posted 5 March, 2013 Posted 5 March, 2013 Chaplow wouldn't even make my bench! Football is all about opinions!
Turkish Posted 5 March, 2013 Posted 5 March, 2013 Chaplow wouldn't even make my bench! Football is all about opinions! We need him to add some bite in the midfield.
Avenue Saint Posted 5 March, 2013 Posted 5 March, 2013 .....................Boruc Clyne.... Fonte... Yoshida... Shaw ...............Cork ....Morgan Rodriguez... Ramirez....Lallana ....................Lambert Subs: K Davis, Richardson, Forren, Jwp Davis, Puncheon, Mayuka
dubai_phil Posted 5 March, 2013 Posted 5 March, 2013 We need him to add some bite in the midfield. Thought he did an OK job on Saturday. Really tough covering 3 positions like that. Ref, & Assistant Ref on both touchlines all at the same time
Saint Garrett Posted 5 March, 2013 Posted 5 March, 2013 .....................Boruc Clyne.... Fonte... Yoshida... Shaw ...............Cork ....Morgan Rodriguez... Ramirez....Lallana ....................Lambert Subs: K Davis, Richardson, Forren, Jwp Davis, Puncheon, Mayuka This, but punch in for Lallana and Jrod left.
CaneNero Posted 5 March, 2013 Posted 5 March, 2013 Going to be a very tight game. We have a better side than Norwich ( - Fox), for ONCE I would love to see us hold onto a lead away from home in a convincing manner.
rooney Posted 5 March, 2013 Posted 5 March, 2013 Forren played for the under 21's last night at the request of the Senior Management team. I guess he may be playing on Saturday then.
trousers Posted 5 March, 2013 Posted 5 March, 2013 Forren played for the under 21's last night at the request of the Senior Management team. Source?
thornhill_saints Posted 5 March, 2013 Posted 5 March, 2013 Forren played for the under 21's last night at the request of the Senior Management team. I guess he may be playing on Saturday then. yes he played and scored http://www.southampton.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=311490
sydenhamssocks Posted 5 March, 2013 Posted 5 March, 2013 Boruc Clyne. Fonte. Yoshida. Shaw. Cork. Morgan. Punch. Davis. JRod. Ricky. subs: Kelvin. Forren. Lallana. JWP. Ramirez. Richardson. Mayuka. And 3 points are ours !!!!!
saint_ed Posted 5 March, 2013 Posted 5 March, 2013 Boruc Clyne. Fonte. Yoshida. Shaw. Cork. Morgan. Punch. Davis. JRod. Ricky. subs: Kelvin. Forren. Lallana. JWP. Ramirez. Richardson. Mayuka. And 3 points are ours !!!!! I'd go with this. I think Davis can feel hard done by having been dropped of late, he's shown more consistency than Ramirez IMO
dellboypete Posted 5 March, 2013 Posted 5 March, 2013 Just been looking at the stats on football365 Form for the last 5 home games puts Norwich 14th overall but have only got 6pts (W1 D3 L1) with an overall goal diff of 0 http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/PR/hform.html Last 5 away games Saints are 11th (must be some v poor away sides in the prem!!) with 5pts and W1 D2 L2 with an overall goal diff of -2 http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/PR/aform.html Points to a low score draw - which I would happily take at the moment Their run in stats predict we'll finish 16th based on both season and recent form - I'll take that too http://stats.football365.com/dom/ENG/PR/runin.html
tajjuk Posted 5 March, 2013 Posted 5 March, 2013 Boruc Clyne. Fonte. Yoshida. Shaw. Cork. Morgan. Punch. Davis. JRod. Ricky. subs: Kelvin. Forren. Lallana. JWP. Ramirez. Richardson. Mayuka. And 3 points are ours !!!!! Too workmanlike for me against a solid workmanlike team. Norwich play quite defensively even at home they don't concede many and they don't score many. We'll need at least one of Lallana or Ramirez to break them down.
sydenhamssocks Posted 5 March, 2013 Posted 5 March, 2013 I'd go with this. I think Davis can feel hard done by having been dropped of late, he's shown more consistency than Ramirez IMO Absolutely. Davis has been more pivotal to a good team performance than he gets credit for.
sydenhamssocks Posted 5 March, 2013 Posted 5 March, 2013 Too workmanlike for me against a solid workmanlike team. Norwich play quite defensively even at home they don't concede many and they don't score many. We'll need at least one of Lallana or Ramirez to break them down. Yes agree with you , but if we start like this,as we're away and keep it tight,then introduce Lallana to mix it up a bit later when we've hopefully worn them down ! Wishful thinking or a plan.... ?
Saintandy666 Posted 5 March, 2013 Posted 5 March, 2013 Well, must win game, with the games after this one. We got away with it last week, because everyone else did just as bad as us, but not all of us strugglers can keep on losing forever!
SuperMikey Posted 5 March, 2013 Posted 5 March, 2013 Vital to win this one given the games we have after it. -----------------BORUC-------------- CLYNE-----FONTE-----MAYA----SHAW ------------CORK-----MORGAN-------- LALLANA---------DAVIS--------JAYROD -----------------RICKIE--------------- Subs: K.Davis, Richardson, Forren, JWP, Ramirez, Puncheon, Mayuka
DrunkenSaint Posted 5 March, 2013 Posted 5 March, 2013 Fonte scares me and this would be more Spanish/South American style so no striker and JRod is playing well down the left, Forren to come off when he tires but he needs game time. Never know it might work... -----------------Boruc---------------- Clyne------Forren----Yoshida-----Shaw ------Cork-------Morgan-----JWP---- --Punch--------Ramirez--------JRod---- Subs: K.Davis, Fonte, Richardson, S.Davis, Lallana, Lambo, Mayuka
Miltonroader07 Posted 5 March, 2013 Posted 5 March, 2013 Right then. Surman will score with a thirty five yard screamer obviously. So I'm going for a Rickie double and a 2-1 win. COYR This has 0-O written all over it
Miltonroader07 Posted 5 March, 2013 Posted 5 March, 2013 Fonte scares me and this would be more Spanish/South American style so no striker and JRod is playing well down the left, Forren to come off when he tires but he needs game time. Never know it might work... -----------------Boruc---------------- Clyne------Forren----Yoshida-----Shaw ------Cork-------Morgan-----JWP---- --Punch--------Ramirez--------JRod---- Subs: K.Davis, Fonte, Richardson, S.Davis, Lallana, Lambo, Mayuka Cant argue with this line up
RobM Posted 5 March, 2013 Posted 5 March, 2013 Fonte scares me and this would be more Spanish/South American style so no striker and JRod is playing well down the left, Forren to come off when he tires but he needs game time. Never know it might work... -----------------Boruc---------------- Clyne------Forren----Yoshida-----Shaw ------Cork-------Morgan-----JWP---- --Punch--------Ramirez--------JRod---- Subs: K.Davis, Fonte, Richardson, S.Davis, Lallana, Lambo, Mayuka A brave choice... but put JRod in the middle of the front three, slightly ahead of the other two and you might be onto something. Let Punch and Ramirez roam free and interchange and let JRod run, hustle and chase and it might just work.
Tom28 Posted 5 March, 2013 Posted 5 March, 2013 A brave choice... but put JRod in the middle of the front three, slightly ahead of the other two and you might be onto something. Let Punch and Ramirez roam free and interchange and let JRod run, hustle and chase and it might just work. Leave Lambert out? Mental. Absolutely mental. I hate this forum. The morons on it aggravate me.
S-Clarke Posted 5 March, 2013 Posted 5 March, 2013 Leave Lambert out? Mental. Absolutely mental. I hate this forum. The morons on it aggravate me. Is that you Roger? To be fair, based on his last display, there is slight merit. Although I'd still keep him there.
Roger Posted 5 March, 2013 Posted 5 March, 2013 Is that you Roger? To be fair, based on his last display, there is slight merit. Although I'd still keep him there. It wasn't me but he's dead right. Lol
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 5 March, 2013 Posted 5 March, 2013 Probably be one of those games where both teams have their moments and the ones who show quality in these moments will prevail (at either end of the pitch). Norwich play quite open against fellow teams in the bottom half so that potentially bodes well for us. Hard to know which version of us will turn up game to game (or even half to half) at the moment so predictions are hard to make.
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 6 March, 2013 Posted 6 March, 2013 They score a lot of late goals, and we're starting to develop a habit of conceding a lot of late goals, so not overly confident that we can hold on to a lead should we take one.
rshephard3 Posted 6 March, 2013 Posted 6 March, 2013 -----------Boruc---------- Clyne-Fonte-Yoshida-Shaw -----Cork-Schneiderlin----- ---JRod--Davis--Punch---- ---------Lambert---------- Can't see any real merit in Ramirez (away from home) and Lallana (Not recovered yet IMO). Reckon Davis deserves another start. My only question would be whether to start Forren over Yoshi but I know nowt about him so can't really comment. A huge must do better in this game. Lose this and we are right back in the thick of it.
tajjuk Posted 6 March, 2013 Posted 6 March, 2013 Yes agree with you , but if we start like this,as we're away and keep it tight,then introduce Lallana to mix it up a bit later when we've hopefully worn them down ! Wishful thinking or a plan.... ? Yeh but we might be chasing a game by then. I feel if we keep it tight that will suit Norwich and they will nick something. i think we need to go there to try to dominate the game. We are techinically better than Norwich IMO, we have better footballers so we need to go there and keep possesion, and pin them in. We should approach this game no differently than we did against Wigan or QPR, they are an average team at best and beatable at home. Leave Lambert out? Mental. Absolutely mental. I hate this forum. The morons on it aggravate me. Whilst I don't think Lambert should be left out, he's not undroppable. He was our worst attacker against QPR. Norwich however don't have a Samba, so Lambert will be handfull for Bassong and Turner. Plus I reckon it's the kind of game that could be decided by a set piece, we need Lambert there for corners and freekicks, or a penalty.
Professor Posted 6 March, 2013 Posted 6 March, 2013 Last week I expected Saints to win. This week I expect them to lose. I was wrong before so lets hope for consistency with the outcome of my forecasts. Imagine if Saints were in the Championship next season with Brighton in The Prem. Doesn't bear thinking about, even with Pompy in L2.
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 6 March, 2013 Posted 6 March, 2013 Pochettino will be stinging like mad after that QPR game. Doesn't strike me as the type to take a humiliation like that easily. We will be very motivated for the Norwich game, and if both sides play to their full potential, we win. Fingers crossed. Big game. They all are now unless we suddenly win two or three on the bounce.
DT Posted 6 March, 2013 Posted 6 March, 2013 Very worried again. Strikes me we are a better away team when we play without our looser players - Fox (boo, hiss), Lallana (I'm afraid) - and bring in Davis in the midfield to add a bit of bite. I think we'll do well to get a draw. Not feeling too optimistic though as this is the type of team that traditionally turns us over, then we go and biff Liverpool. Tis the Saints way.
Graffito Posted 6 March, 2013 Posted 6 March, 2013 Will Norwich sit back and hit long diagonals on the break or come at us? Newcastle and QPR succeeded with the former. I think Norwich with home advantage and off the back of a 4-0 loss at OT are more likely to do the latter, which should be better for our style of play. At SMS Norwich were solid and unspectacular. Can't recall whether they played out much from the back. Have the Canaries got any donkeys at the back who could be embarrassed by our pressing game?
Pilchards Posted 6 March, 2013 Posted 6 March, 2013 Will Norwich sit back and hit long diagonals on the break or come at us? Newcastle and QPR succeeded with the former. I think Norwich with home advantage and off the back of a 4-0 loss at OT are more likely to do the latter, which should be better for our style of play. At SMS Norwich were solid and unspectacular. Can't recall whether they played out much from the back. Have the Canaries got any donkeys at the back who could be embarrassed by our pressing game? If we panicked Man Utd and City then Norwich will not have anyone with that quality.
dubai_phil Posted 6 March, 2013 Posted 6 March, 2013 Right. I'm all packed, off to the airport in a moment. And just had a txt that one of our group can't go. This means we MAY have a spare ticket (35 quid face value) Bad news is it will be in Salisbury so either need to meet us there at 9am Sat OR meet us at Fleet at 9:50/10:00am OR at a pub in Norwich before the game Because I am on the road I will not have internet apart from stupid expensive roaming on my fone so anyone interested PM me your mob number asap I leave for the airport in 1 hour but will check PM's as often as possible While I would LOVE to take my laptop I'm on Ryanair 2mro after I land & with 150 wedding invites in my carry on = 9.6kg and am only allowed 1 spare set of socks undies & T shirts and sure as hell ain't leaving this box in a carpark for a day! (With the rest of my weekend wardrobe)
Dalek2003 Posted 6 March, 2013 Posted 6 March, 2013 Where are most people pitching for a pre match pint ?
Appy Posted 6 March, 2013 Posted 6 March, 2013 Where are most people pitching for a pre match pint ? I'm going to the compleat angler. So i reccommend the city centre for you.
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