sydenhamssocks Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 Davis is a big miss imho - made such a difference when he came on against Wigan and was excellent against City. I am not sure you can play Lallana and Ramirez in the same side. 110% Agree ! Many here seem to right Davis off as a 'journeyman' pro who has mixed form. Under Nigel he wasn't used properly. He is a midfielder who has good defensive strengths and can make those late runs into the box looking for goals. Ramirez struggles with both those disciplines ! Davis also suits the pressing style very well as he chases and ferrets around in middle of the park, exactly what has been required for Pochettinos plans. I remember a certain journeyman pro called Chris Marsden doing a similar job and no one complained ! As for Adam and Ramirez together, too much luxury at once maybe ? But it doesn't work and I know which one I prefer ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 You are spot on. I said so at the time and continued to bang on about this for weeks. Very unlike you to bang on about something for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 110% Agree ! Many here seem to right Davis off as a 'journeyman' pro who has mixed form. Under Nigel he wasn't used properly. He is a midfielder who has good defensive strengths and can make those late runs into the box looking for goals. Ramirez struggles with both those disciplines ! Davis also suits the pressing style very well as he chases and ferrets around in middle of the park, exactly what has been required for Pochettinos plans. I remember a certain journeyman pro called Chris Marsden doing a similar job and no one complained ! As for Adam and Ramirez together, too much luxury at once maybe ? But it doesn't work and I know which one I prefer ! Couldn't really understand why he was dropped, maybe not 100%, that would explain why JWP replaced Gaston and not Davis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 It really was diabolical defending. It most certainly was not, Sir. If Beelzebub had been our left back he would have had the ground open beneath Remy's feet, pitching the poor fellow headlong into the fiery pits of Hell, ne'er to be seen again by mortal eyes. Now that's diabolical defending. Fox's defending was another word... Non-existant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydenhamssocks Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 Couldn't really understand why he was dropped, maybe not 100%, that would explain why JWP replaced Gaston and not Davis. Yeah, it could be a fitness thing . In a way I hope so or it makes Pochettinos choices look poor. To be honest I have preferred the midfield of Punch. Davis. And JRod sitting in front of Morgan and Cork with Adam coming off the bench to mix things about when required . For me, those 5 on the park feeding and supporting Ricky with Shaw and Clyne at full back has been the strongest and most suited to Pochettinos style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 Yeah, it could be a fitness thing . In a way I hope so or it makes Pochettinos choices look poor. To be honest I have preferred the midfield of Punch. Davis. And JRod sitting in front of Morgan and Cork with Adam coming off the bench to mix things about when required . For me, those 5 on the park feeding and supporting Ricky with Shaw and Clyne at full back has been the strongest and most suited to Pochettinos style. couldn't be sure that MP didn't set out his stall for a far different QPR side than that which played yesterday. They made a lot of changes, might have been caught a bit by surprise. That's the trouble with QPR, they have so many players at their disposal that if Harry shuffles the pack and comes up with a good "hand" you are going to struggle if they turn it on. They have good players if they turn up.Perhaps the binge story stabbed them into life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 Cant agree with that. If he dropped deep at least he would occasionally be occupying the left back position. He is far too often caught in a no mans land near the half way line. Christ the number of times opponents get in behind him or occupy the wide open expanse of land where a decent or half decent left back should be is frightening. He is certainly lazy, totally agree with you on that. He will make a mistake, give the ball away then look behind to see what is happening. Getting back and trying to rectify the situation doesnt enter his head. Somebody a week or so ago said he was like Benali but without the sympathy. Only problem with that description is Franny, bless him, did actually know where he was supposed to be much of the time unlike this useless article. If MP cannot see just how poor this player is then I seriously am worried. I can't believe I've found myself defending Fox. I was one of thr first to point out he was poor last season and faced a barrage of "leading assists" responses. The guy never gets tight, is positionally poor, lazy, doesnt get stuck in, can't see or make an easy pass, doesn't bust a gut, doesn't see danger, doesn't defend. What he does do is get the ball down, gets himself out of tight spots and swings the odd decent cross in. I am far from a fan, I just felt inclined to try and defend him as I am fed up of players being abused in games once the become the whipping boy. If he's **** lets say he was **** afterards. But in the next game lets back him, not abuse him. The stuff aimed at Puncheon and Guly in games is recent seasons has been disgraceful and Fox is a game or two away from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 Is it fair to say the honeymoon's over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveBish Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 I know we lost today and it's obvious that we are not defending that well but every statistic I've seen shows about 8 shots on target for us and 3 to them and even more of difference on off target chances which looks more like a bit of a smash and grab by them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 I know we lost today and it's obvious that we are not defending that well but every statistic I've seen shows about 8 shots on target for us and 3 to them and even more of difference on off target chances which looks more like a bit of a smash and grab by them We played yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 I know we lost today and it's obvious that we are not defending that well but every statistic I've seen shows about 8 shots on target for us and 3 to them and even more of difference on off target chances which looks more like a bit of a smash and grab by them It was smash and grab, texted those very words to a QPR supporting mate who even apologised! But the reality is our shots were long, we did feck all with our 70 odd per cent possession, and our sh!t defending on the rare occasions we were attacked allowed the smash and grab to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
110_Persaint Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 Is it fair to say the honeymoon's over? never was one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveBish Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 It was smash and grab, texted those very words to a QPR supporting mate who even apologised! But the reality is our shots were long, we did feck all with our 70 odd per cent possession, and our sh!t defending on the rare occasions we were attacked allowed the smash and grab to happen. Completely agree but I'm an eternal optimist and as long as Man City beat Villa tomorrow it's as you were with one less game to go, yes it is disappointing as we had a perfect opportunity to go 6 points clear but it's still in our own hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 We really lacked a spark today. Are the players technically good ehough to play the high pressing, tappy last 3rd stuff? On this showing, no. Wel we played long ball hoof it all the second half and really was terrible. Issue is not the passing game it's personnel in the team who are either totally enept ie a certain left back! Or players that are not playing the part in knitting together the style of play - I'm not sure why Davis did not come on in place of Gaston - JWP was a very strange substitution...... On another note: If Potty even puts Fox in the squad for the next game or indeed ever plays him again I for one will be calling into question his sanity....let alone his suitability for the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 Wel we played long ball hoof it all the second half and really was terrible. Issue is not the passing game it's personnel in the team who are either totally enept ie a certain left back! Or players that are not playing the part in knitting together the style of play - I'm not sure why Davis did not come on in place of Gaston - JWP was a very strange substitution...... On another note: If Potty even puts Fox in the squad for the next game or indeed ever plays him again I for one will be calling into question his sanity....let alone his suitability for the job. I watched the game again this morning as we really didn't play much long ball. We might have gone long at times but we really didn't play too much long ball at all yesterday. If anything we went backwards too often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 We did not create to many clear cut chances over 90 minutes really. Off day I hope. Lets hope we are back on it next Saturday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 Oh dear. I had us down for 6 points from the last two games - an important stat given our March run in is tough IMHO. Let's hope we can continue to up our game against better teams and grab some points in March. I think mid-table just went out the window. Come on Saints... you're better than this! Oh... and perhaps Fox should be replaced MP. After all he's cost us a result in both the last two encounters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 I've got faith in Pochettino and his style but, for me, he's dropped two big selection clangers in successive games - not starting Puncheon at Newcastle and starting Ramirez today. I hope we quickly get back to what we were doing three weeks ago. Davis is not much more than a journeyman midfielder but he fits very well into the high press. Yep - agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 Oh dear. I had us down for 6 points from the last two games - an important stat given our March run in is tough IMHO. Let's hope we can continue to up our game against better teams and grab some points in March. I think mid-table just went out the window. Come on Saints... you're better than this! Oh... and perhaps Fox should be replaced MP. After all he's cost us a result in both the last two encounters. How? Fox wasnt even on the pitch when QPR got their second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 I watched the game again this morning as we really didn't play much long ball. We might have gone long at times but we really didn't play too much long ball at all yesterday. If anything we went backwards too often. Second half we played a lot of balls from half way line high and hopeful forwards. Call it a medium long if you like but it was definitely a 50/50 longish high hoof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 (edited) Hmm...I know we played a few in the end. And the odd one during the game but not many. Mainly due to lack of movement from our front 4. Edited 3 March, 2013 by Saint Garrett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 agreed lallana was v.static second half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonManager Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 agreed lallana was v.static second half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_au Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 at least we don't expect the likes of norwich, liverpool or chelsea to be just sitting back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 That was not my fault! Garrett is editing posts to make me look dumbass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 How? Fox wasnt even on the pitch when QPR got their second. Well he was for the first and the highly reliable Sun newspaper (one level above the Daily Mail for Saints stories) even blamed him for yet another shocker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 March, 2013 Share Posted 4 March, 2013 So, two days on, and my usual emotional reaction dissipated, I still feel that the team has lost its way over the past couple of weeks and we are in big trouble. One can speculate what would have happened if we hadnt had that damned break again before the Newcastle game... I always say the measure of a team is how it responds to spectacular victory/achievement, not how it responds to defeat/failure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 4 March, 2013 Share Posted 4 March, 2013 So, two days on, and my usual emotional reaction dissipated, I still feel that the team has lost its way over the past couple of weeks and we are in big trouble. One can speculate what would have happened if we hadnt had that damned break again before the Newcastle game... I always say the measure of a team is how it responds to spectacular victory/achievement, not how it responds to defeat/failure... Now who was it who said "Don't get too low when we lose, don't get too high when we win"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theplayer Posted 4 March, 2013 Share Posted 4 March, 2013 Whenever we think that we've turned the corner & back on track, along comes another bad performance. Saturdays match was never going to be easy, but it was winnable. The return of Redknapp was always going to be a tense affair, but for f*cks sake, there was no fight. Saints went down with hardly a whimper. We are in a relegation dog-fight, that's for sure. So let's all pull together & support the team. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 4 March, 2013 Share Posted 4 March, 2013 I was very surprised that we lost to QPR like I was very surprised we beat Man City These things happen in football but we do need to win a couple of games and then we should be OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 March, 2013 Share Posted 4 March, 2013 Just watched the extended highlights again.... http://www.player.saintsfc.co.uk/latest-news/article/3096163/date/20130303235900/page/0/name/Extended-Highlights:-Saints-1-2-QPR How the **** did we lose that game? (rhetorical question. Answer = defensive lapse x2) We played some good stuff overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 4 March, 2013 Share Posted 4 March, 2013 Not going to read 7 pages. QPR were sh*te IMO, could barely pass the ball, half the team looked disinterested, most just wandered around. Only Hoillet looked bothered from their forward players, was a constant threat, ran at us, worked hard and pressed. We were complacent from what I could see. Maybe the city game has gone to our heads a bit, at home to the bottom team there wasn't enough urgency, the slickness or our passing was generally missing, the pressing and wrok rate wasn't there. However even playing at what looked like 50% we were way the better team but f*cked up defensively twice to gift the 3 points. Lambert was anonymous, Samba bullied him and won everything in the air and his touch was off. Morgan had an off day, poor passing, didn't hassle well, as did Yoshi and Fox is still suspect. Puncheon couldn't get into the game. I also think taking Ramirez off was a silly decision. He was the only one who was looking for space and making runs, his one touch passing and one twos was at the centre of the few things we created. He was along with Clybe prepared to go at people, no on else in the team seemed to want to try and beat a player. Without Lallana and Ramirez on the pitch we look very very ordinairy going forward IMO. EDIT: Oh and a lot of our fans are idiots, it seems they would be better of supporting stoke, so many people moaning when we passed it around trying to keep possesion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 4 March, 2013 Share Posted 4 March, 2013 Ramirez was limping for about five minutes before substitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 4 March, 2013 Share Posted 4 March, 2013 Sacking Adkins > BIG MISTAKE imho ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monosaint Posted 4 March, 2013 Share Posted 4 March, 2013 Looking back on the last 3 games some of us would have been anticipating 3 points from them. Lose to Man City and Newcastle and beat QPR. Football just doesn't always work the way you expect. Next two games? Who knows. Just keep positive and enjoy the ride.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 4 March, 2013 Share Posted 4 March, 2013 Ramirez was limping for about five minutes before substitution. Fair enough if he was injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza Posted 4 March, 2013 Share Posted 4 March, 2013 It was a bad day at the office. Not too many positives for me apart from the performance of Schneiderlin who was excellent again. We look a more balanced side with Steven Davis in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 4 March, 2013 Share Posted 4 March, 2013 I know we lost today and it's obvious that we are not defending that well but every statistic I've seen shows about 8 shots on target for us and 3 to them and even more of difference on off target chances which looks more like a bit of a smash and grab by them From where we were sat the key issue was that although we dominated almost all of the play, our tactics for the final ball were totally wrong. Every time we got near the box we either tried to chip the ball over the top, or put in an areial cross for Lambert. Had we been concentrating on playing through on the ground or putting in exactly the sort of cross which QPR did for their second then we would have won. It's almost as if QPR having big centrebacks was a surprise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 4 March, 2013 Share Posted 4 March, 2013 Lambert couldnt trap a bag of cement on Saturday. Everything bounced off him or he fluffed a pass. Unusual for him. Puncheon just didnt move to receive the ball as well as usual. Worrying. Yoshi was unusually shaky. Front, middle and back. ****ed. Need to fix it and fix it damn quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 4 March, 2013 Share Posted 4 March, 2013 Lambert couldnt trap a bag of cement on Saturday. Everything bounced off him or he fluffed a pass. Unusual for him. Puncheon just didnt move to receive the ball as well as usual. Worrying. Yoshi was unusually shaky. Front, middle and back. ****ed. Need to fix it and fix it damn quick. Yoshida is shaky more often than not for me. Can see him struggling big time against Holt this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Kucho Posted 4 March, 2013 Share Posted 4 March, 2013 This has probably been said somewhere in this topic, the tatters Saturday made a good point saying that our high pressing game works well, except when the opposing team break through. That makes our defence very vulnerable (that's all right when you have Puyol, Kompany, Vidic etc, but with Yoshida, Hooiveld and to a certain extent Fonte, that's a bad situation to be in) Other problem Saturday was their attacks over our left. I dont want to jump on the bandwagon, but Fox was dreadful the first half. Every time a attack went over the left Yoshida or Fonte would race over to cover as Fox was missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 March, 2013 Share Posted 4 March, 2013 Just watched the extended highlights again.... http://www.player.saintsfc.co.uk/latest-news/article/3096163/date/20130303235900/page/0/name/Extended-Highlights:-Saints-1-2-QPR How the **** did we lose that game? (rhetorical question. Answer = defensive lapse x2) We played some good stuff overall. But we had nothing at the sharp end and they sort of did. You can't win if you can't score and Lambert could still be there today and still not have scored. An off day for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 4 March, 2013 Share Posted 4 March, 2013 From where we were sat the key issue was that although we dominated almost all of the play, our tactics for the final ball were totally wrong. Every time we got near the box we either tried to chip the ball over the top, or put in an areial cross for Lambert. Had we been concentrating on playing through on the ground or putting in exactly the sort of cross which QPR did for their second then we would have won. It's almost as if QPR having big centrebacks was a surprise... this. The number of `big-D' balls we put in was ridiculous. Get to the byline FFS. They had two giant yet time after time we fed them. They have two woeful fullbacks yet we gave them the easiest days ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 4 March, 2013 Share Posted 4 March, 2013 Yoshida is shaky more often than not for me. Can see him struggling big time against Holt this weekend. Get Jos back in the side. If we're up against a big target man Jos is the right player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 4 March, 2013 Share Posted 4 March, 2013 That was not my fault! Garrett is editing posts to make me look dumbass! I enjoy your posts Bearsy, they make me smile. However, and I say this in fun........I thought the point of your posts was that they don't need editing to make you look dumbass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 4 March, 2013 Share Posted 4 March, 2013 Ramirez was limping for about five minutes before substitution. No surprises there, he's injury prone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wightman35 Posted 4 March, 2013 Share Posted 4 March, 2013 Sacking Adkins > BIG MISTAKE imho ...... This, as well as appointing an inexperienced (premier league) manager unable to speak English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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