the colonel Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 It is same old Saints...a team parks the bus and we have no idea how to break through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 One word says it for me and it is a word Pochettino should be made aware of SHAMBLES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 (edited) Just watched the first QPR goal. Why on earth were both of our defenders backing away to the goal rather than closing the shot down? Defending was poor for the second too - haven't seen us that bad for some time. Edited 2 March, 2013 by Shroppie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 NC put the 'yoyo' strategy away to early. Time to take it out of the cupboard again and make sure that Billy knows he will be needed again in the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Just watched the first QPR goal. Why on earth were both of our defenders backing away to the goal rather than closing the shot down? Defending was poor for the second too - haven't seen us that bad for some time. Was somewhat bemusing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Listened to poch post match interview. Sounded a little in denial IMO which is worrying. Reading and Wigan getting dicked is our only saving grace, very upset by today's abject performance and didn't see that overall performance coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 First game I've been to since the Sunderland game. Before that, Norwich, Swansea and away to West Ham. I sure do pick 'em. Just don't get our tactics today. We seemed to be fresh out of ideas except the 90mph through ball at Chrisoph Samba's head. QPR were sh*te and will still go down playing like that. Nobody else is going to give them 3 points as readily as we did today. No pace, either in terms of movement or thinking. Poor delivery, Lambert looked isolated and got nothing in the air. I don't know what else to say, it was just... lame. I will issue some words of encouragement though. We can be as absysmal as we want in every game remaining. We just need to be better than 3 other teams. There is nothing I've seen to suggest Villa, QPR, Wigan or Reading are any better than we are. Sunderland and Newcastle are only 1 win above us too. Let's keep the faith for now and let the crucifictions begin in May, IF we go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc4prem Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 If the performances don't pick up i'll get worried. As it is it was just a one-off abject piece of f*cking sh*t served to the fans on a plate carried by Pochettino. Happy f*cking Birthday, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 They were rubbish and we lost to them. Something like three attempts on target and we let them score two of them. They did to us what they did to Chelsea. Parked it and we didn't have the nous to find a way through. I wonder how many La Liga teams parked the bus against Espanyol. Pochettino is on a steep learning curve and we don't have time to accommodate it. Lambert seems to be getting some criticism and Samba the plaudits but I can't recall a single decent ball to Lambert. We created little so I couldn't understand why GR was taken off as he looked capable of creating something. No positives at all for Saints. Roll on Norwich. They at least will come at us which may suit our tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 One thing hasn't been mentioned. Pochettino is supposed to be an expert of defending and defending techniques. Why did our defense fail today so miserably. why aren't we making progress in this area where Adkins had sorted things out and lacked players. To hear Pinocchio using the excuse and blaming injuries so early in his tenure beggars belief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffnut Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 New manager must take the blame although players were pathetic yet again. Relegation form? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 A very poor performance today. We pressed hard right up until their goal and then ceased that tactic for the rest of the game. As it seems to be Pochettino's only strategy and it was countered very effectively by Redcrapp's simple expedient of the ball over the top, it seemed that we were then too scared to continue the high line in case they punished us again and again. One might have hoped that after we equalised, we would have been encouraged to go on and hit them hard, but it was QPR who then won the 50/50 balls for most of the remainder of the match, with only Cork standing out as the player going in hard and determined to regain possession. Had we wished to have somebody else on the pitch to assist him, Davis might have obliged, but he was out of favour for some reason. My initial thought when the team was announced was that Lallana ahead of Fox made that our weaker flank to attack, as Lallana doesn't track back enough to hold Fox's hand when he is always out of position and that having Ramirez and Lallana on together was one too many flair players and one too few players who would be effective with the pressing in their face tactic. But ultimately I am just left with the feeling that for all that Adkins occasionally got flak on here when his team selections, substitutions and tactics didn't get results, it is becoming apparent that Pochettino hasn't produced any performances from us that in my opinion Adkins couldn't have. Adkins managed to convincingly beat QPR away after all. I continue to take the view that Adkins left us one place higher than we are currently and that if Pochettino can't improve on that, then what precisely was the point of sacking Adkins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWillie Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 And my hotdog was cold. Path ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 First up on MotD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 A very poor performance today. We pressed hard right up until their goal and then ceased that tactic for the rest of the game. As it seems to be Pochettino's only strategy and it was countered very effectively by Redcrapp's simple expedient of the ball over the top, it seemed that we were then too scared to continue the high line in case they punished us again and again. One might have hoped that after we equalised, we would have been encouraged to go on and hit them hard, but it was QPR who then won the 50/50 balls for most of the remainder of the match, with only Cork standing out as the player going in hard and determined to regain possession. Had we wished to have somebody else on the pitch to assist him, Davis might have obliged, but he was out of favour for some reason. My initial thought when the team was announced was that Lallana ahead of Fox made that our weaker flank to attack, as Lallana doesn't track back enough to hold Fox's hand when he is always out of position and that having Ramirez and Lallana on together was one too many flair players and one too few players who would be effective with the pressing in their face tactic. But ultimately I am just left with the feeling that for all that Adkins occasionally got flak on here when his team selections, substitutions and tactics didn't get results, it is becoming apparent that Pochettino hasn't produced any performances from us that in my opinion Adkins couldn't have. Adkins managed to convincingly beat QPR away after all. I continue to take the view that Adkins left us one place higher than we are currently and that if Pochettino can't improve on that, then what precisely was the point of sacking Adkins? Nail in head. Adkins sorted out defence too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 don't think I'll bother with a reaction then, I obviously wasn't watching the right game. Thought we looked not too bad but had very little in attack. Poor game from Lambert needs to do more . Agreed - I saw no lack of effort but I did see a serious lack of ideas. Lambert was being given nothing by that new centre back of theirs and it was only when Rodrigues came on to distract him that Rickie started to get the room to play. Apart from that he was given little service by the rest of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 I continue to take the view that Adkins left us one place higher than we are currently and that if Pochettino can't improve on that, then what precisely was the point of sacking Adkins? I would say it is unfair to come to any conclusions six games into the Pochettino reign. He appears to have a specific way of playing and the players are showing erratic form in putting it into practice on matchday. It's a learning experience for everyone right now and I would say a more valid question is what made Cortese so sure Saints had better survival prospects under Pochettino than Adkins. On one hand I see a more attacking team but on the other I see lots of players struggling to adapt on a consistant basis which is severely impacting our performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 (edited) We were by far the better team overall on the MotD highlights Hansen saying we're a decent side who should still stay up despite this hiccup. Edited 2 March, 2013 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExSt Peter Saint Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 I have doubts about our survival chances after today. Anyone looking up and thinking about Europe is seriously deluded. I really think NA would have had us easily safe, whereas MP is an unknown quantity still in terms of dealing with the pressure of English football. Are his tactics really the right way going forward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 QPR will go down f'sure. They were awful today. But somehow we conspired to still gift them three points. Worst performance I've seen in three years or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reader1234 Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 totally agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrZuess1979 the 2nd Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 QPR will go down f'sure. They were awful today. But somehow we conspired to still gift them three points. Worst performance I've seen in three years or more. I thought that (performance wise ) But watching motd 2nd half we battered them Could nt see as I was behind the chapel goal (God it's quiet in there) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reader1234 Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 I have to say that after watching this today that I have come away feeling disillusioned for a number of reasons. The result was hard enough to take but what was even worse was the ease that the bottom of the league team coped with our forwards. We only seriously threatened on the odd occasion. It was like they were running through treacle they were so slow. Whatever happened to the playing further up the pitch philosophy? Didn't see any of that today. QPR had three shots and scored with two of them. They came with little attacking ambition and still scored twice. I really feel after what I have seen today that we are going to be relegated. If all this wasn't bad enough some of the supporters were a disgrace. Chants were continually going round the ground of we 'F, ing' hate Harry Redknap, Then there were the chants about the Pompey scum. Nothing ever seems to be said about this but it is appalling and does nothing to support the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monosaint Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Thought we were average today and QPR were equally poor but were gifted 2 easy goals by our defence. When Rodriguez came on he beat Samba all ends up for speed. Think we should have started with him. Fox was weak and most of their attacks came from that side. Still think that QPR will go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soton7 Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Felt sick leaving sms today after that defeat. Felt even worse whilst watching saggy celebrating after the final whistle on motd. Onwards and upwards.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kirkup Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Just very, very disappointed. Too many players today not on their game. I have to wonder if we have the players to mentally survive a relegation battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 One thing hasn't been mentioned. Pochettino is supposed to be an expert of defending and defending techniques. Why did our defense fail today so miserably. why aren't we making progress in this area where Adkins had sorted things out and lacked players. To hear Pinocchio using the excuse and blaming injuries so early in his tenure beggars belief In short because we have **** defenders, a premiership side should have 7/8 good defenders, do we? Not close, we still look lost at the back and where is Forren? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Just very, very disappointed. Too many players today not on their game. I have to wonder if we have the players to mentally survive a relegation battle. I questioned this in August a bunch of hairdressers, just look at them, there are no scrappers in there doing the dirty work and geeing up the players, you wouldnt mind if they did what they set out to do and but they just fold, how many points have we hiven away now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 P!SS POOR. Two abysmal goals to give away.We had the opportunity to strengthen in January,but rather than sign the dominating defender we need,the club spend their time conspiring to sack a promising and successful manager,and chasing shadows in the transfer market.As for Forren, does he exist ? Oh "injured". We know how to sign them don't we ? Nice one Cortese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
110_Persaint Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Where's the MoM poll? Morgan as ever had a blinder today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 2 weeks ago Pochettino was the new messiah - this week as inept as Branfoot !!..... the fickle ramblings of Saintsweb on a Saturday night! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 2 weeks ago Pochettino was the new messiah - this week as inept as Branfoot !!..... the fickle ramblings of Saintsweb on a Saturday night! Who said he was the messiah? Winning 1 out 6 is hardly Guardiola is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 2 weeks ago Pochettino was the new messiah - this week as inept as Branfoot !!..... the fickle ramblings of Saintsweb on a Saturday night! Except nobody has actually said either, have they. People thought Poch did well after his team beat Man City. People thought he did badly after he was beaten by QPR. That's not fickle, that's just having sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 The defending for the first goal was really, really funny. You do have to wonder what coach was responsible for telling the players to do that. Can't comment about the defending for the second one because there was none - so nobody is really culpable there. At least now we all know we are in a relegation scrap and it's time to roll the sleeves up and go to work, time to see the players battling qualities. Ummmm perhaps not then. The only positive is that if Citeh do Villa tomorrow, not too much damage has actually been done in regard to current position. But lets be honest - if we can't take out QPR at home, after the season they have had - we are in big trouble. Relegation beckons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 Why don't we try having our full backs run at theirs, how many times today did Clyne get forward, then rather than take them on pass back, what is the point? All our so called passing game is Sh""e, passing backwards or sidewards hurts no one! Its like having a team full of Jim Magiltons! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 Bad day at the office. Doesn't mean we won't play better next week. We have to play well toi win games and we didn't today. We'll stay up if we play to our best in the remaining games. Precisely - I have seen us give the odd terrible performance under every manager from Ted Bates onwards, it's how we respond in the next game that now matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 Right simply put, we are fine, all results that matter today went our way, shame ours didn't. We are still over a win clear of relegation and have it all to play for. 13 points ensures safety, chances are 10 will keep us up this year, qpr are still going down on that performance and I imagine Reading and Villa/Wigan are too. We will be ok, so long as we never play fox again (again) and actually shoot from proper chances when its called for instead of take pot luck shots and do nothing most the time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 First game I've been to since the Sunderland game. Before that, Norwich, Swansea and away to West Ham. I sure do pick 'em. Just don't get our tactics today. We seemed to be fresh out of ideas except the 90mph through ball at Chrisoph Samba's head. QPR were sh*te and will still go down playing like that. Nobody else is going to give them 3 points as readily as we did today. No pace, either in terms of movement or thinking. Poor delivery, Lambert looked isolated and got nothing in the air. I don't know what else to say, it was just... lame. I will issue some words of encouragement though. We can be as absysmal as we want in every game remaining. We just need to be better than 3 other teams. There is nothing I've seen to suggest Villa, QPR, Wigan or Reading are any better than we are. Sunderland and Newcastle are only 1 win above us too. Let's keep the faith for now and let the crucifictions begin in May, IF we go down. I know how you feel. I feel it too. My selected matches this season : Wigan, Sunderland, now QPR. What do the games have in common? On paper, all easily winnable games and I like to see us win. We lost all three. You'll be glad to know I propose to return to Radio Solent and watching Garth Crooks on my Saturday afternoons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 This was my first game of the season so I may be out of touch. But an I right in saying there was goal music after we scored, and if so is this new? Thankfully it was quiet so not too intrusive, but still a bit crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 This was my first game of the season so I may be out of touch. But an I right in saying there was goal music after we scored, and if so is this new? Thankfully it was quiet so not too intrusive, but still a bit crap Song 2 by Blur has been played after we score for about as long as I can remember. Definitely since Cortese came in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 But lets be honest - if we can't take out QPR at home, after the season they have had - we are in big trouble. Relegation beckons. That's just the way it goes though. Man City beat QPR QPR beat Saints Saints beat Villa Villa beat Liverpool Liverpool beat Norwich Norwich beat Man Utd Man Utd beat Chelsea Chelsea beat Spurs Spurs beat West Ham West Ham beat Fulham Fulham beat Wigan Wigan beat Reading Reading beat Newcastle Newcastle beat West Brom West Brom beat Everton Everton beat Swansea Swansea beat Arsenal Arsenal beat Sunderland So who's the best out of that lot then? The answer is none of them, they're just a random set of isolated results. Saying we are in trouble or doing well based purely on who beat us or we beat is inaccurate. We're better than QPR. Not because of todays result but because of the League table, the only true reflection of how good a team is. Play today's fixture again next week, same 22 on the pitch, same ref. We will probably win 4-0. Play it again the week after we win 2-1. The week after, it's a 3-3 draw. The week after the game is abandonned because some monkeys and chickens escape from our petting zoo and have an inter-species homo-erotic orgy on the pitch. It's the one part of playing Championship manager which is truly accurate. When you get knocked out of the Champions League with Port Vale after a 3-0 home defeat in the semi final, what do you do? Quit the game, load it again, play exactly the same team, win 3-1 and bingo, you're in the final. That's pretty much what would happen if you could reset real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 Quick, somebody remind me: Why exactly did we get rid of a manager who was doing a good job and who was owed some loyalty in favor of a boy wonder who doesn't speak English and is in the process of getting us straight down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
student Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 I think the Chairmans big mistake was getting rid of Adkins when he did. He either needed to do it before January or wait until the summer, the manager needed to bring in some of his own players to settle down the team or just wait until the summer. Its left a team in transition at a time where quite frankly it doesnt matter how you play as long as you win. I still think you'll be fine. I just find it incredibly frustrating how the club seem to be doing what they can to make it hard for themselves so I can't imagine how you guys feel! It really was just one of those days today where you didn't do anything overly bad but lacked any real quality too. You need to win 4/10 really to be fine and the winnable games are there, but theres just a bit more pressure now that QPR are creeping up and thats yet another game where you should have taken points gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 I have the benefit of having slept on it now. Was a crap performance for sure, but Poche acknowledges the mistakes and Fonte the lack of movement and even old Saggychops is pretty gracious in victory. All the other results went our way too. So provided we bounce back with at least a good performance and a point at Norwich - or 3 regardless of how well we play - we should be on our way again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 We were by far the better team overall on the MotD highlights Hansen saying we're a decent side who should still stay up despite this hiccup. We were by far the better team live on the telly as well. For huge periods of the game it was like watching a PL team play a pub side. 69% possession, 75% possession those stats kept coming up. We were first to the ball all over the park EXCEPT in the final 3rd. Fact is in the cold light of day, Hill & Samba had WAY too much experience for us. Too many "feet left in" tackles bumps and nudges, added to SRL managing to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. How many shots did we actually have on target before JRod came on? How many times did the final ball in become a desperate toe poke? 10 man defence, bus was parked and sucker punched on the break. Of course it was bitterly disappointing but we've seen Chelsea do it to Barca with 10 men, we've seen FA Cup upsets like that for decades. This week in training they need to stop all this pressing practice and spend EVERY day working on final balls & movement into the box. Composure composure and composure. Oh and a kick up the ass for Punch & SRL (as in IF Rickie is getting owned by a CB DON'T lob the ball gently into the air in his direction FFS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suomi Saint Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 You can't spin that abject tactical performance by MP. Teams have already rumbled the way we play, and he must come up with a Plan B. The players looked very tired to me, probably as a result of this so called pressing game and doing double training sessions. I honestly think we will be relegated by this clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 Damn .... it wasn't just a bad dream then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sea Saint Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 we were poor yesterday for sure, but the worst performance in years?? No, I don't think so. Did anyone see Wigan away? Sunderland away? Arsenal away? Wigan at home? Everton away? the Chelsea FA Cup game? All worse performances. My worry is that we don't have the players to fit Potechinno's style of play - no pace, not good enough at passing, not intelligent enough with the ball (except maybe Lallana and Schneiderlin). I can't see us picking up too many more points to be honest, meaning relegation and a whole host of players (and staff) leaving this summer. At least Sharp and Hammond will be back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefunkygibbons Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 All I will say is that I did not enjoy the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 3 March, 2013 Share Posted 3 March, 2013 Quick, somebody remind me: Why exactly did we get rid of a manager who was doing a good job and who was owed some loyalty in favor of a boy wonder who doesn't speak English and is in the process of getting us straight down? Not sure the finer details, but you seemed to think it was working out after the united game: I only saw the second half, but we looked impressive. Could it be that the change of manager was the right thing after all? Kneejerk much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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