SAINTS 1 QPR 2 >> Reaction

[Rebel]

Should have started with the same team that beat Man City.

 

Lambert, Morgan, Lallana and Puncheon all had bad games. Fox was his usual terrible self in defence.

 

Samba had Rickie in his pocket yet we kept playing it to him in the air.

 

Rodriguez pace and drive made a real difference when he came on. He and Ramirez looked a real threat until we took a Gaston off. Pressing 4-3-3 football is not going to work against a team that sit back and play long ball on the break - there is nothing to press! And they packed the box so we couldn't get through them.

 

We desperately missed a first choice left back and a pacey right winger today - 2 players most fans knew we desperately needed in January - thanks for not signing them Mr Cortese!

 

Lets hope we start with Rodriguez and Ramirez out wide and Davis in the whole against Norwich - oh and Forren at left back

[um pahars]

It may be a knee jerk, but deary me that was awful.

 

Poor team selection and tactics, augmented by a number of below par performances meant we looked shocking.

 

And as much as it pains me to say it, 'Arry owned us today. He got his selection and tactics right and made MoPo look an amateur.

 

Lacklustre all round and now having lost twice on the bounce to teams below us, I'm more than a tad concerned about whether we will stay up (if we do, it will be because luckily there are three teams worse than us!).

 

Shocking.

[Saintandy666]

Coutinho looked excellent tonight for Lpool, far better than Ramirez

 

In fairness, he is playing in a much better team than Ramirez.

[Appy]

Coutinho looked excellent tonight for Lpool, far better than Ramirez

 

Probably why he signed for Liverpool and Ramirez signed for us.

[Toomer]

Just had a bad feeling that was going to happen today.

[Windmill Arm 2]

Cant beat a good old Spaz Web meltdown after a defeat. What a bunch of c*nts some of you are. Since when did Southampton ever do it the easy way?? We'll stay up because Wigan, Villa Reading AND YES QPR are far far worse than us.

[DrZuess1979 the 2nd]

Just back

No plan b

Qpr just got all 11 behind the ball so fair play to them they defended well

Lambert had a bad game

Shaw look off the pace didnt look fully fit to me

Pants tbh

[Shroppie]

That was a complete disaster, from word go. It was as ineffective and rusty as we've been all season. Players didn't seem to know what to do anywhere on the pitch.

 

We've come from being quite a solid, disciplined unit to once again being wide open down the flanks, allowing too much space in behind, making basic errors and giving away goals which wouldn't look out of place in the lower leagues.

 

The decision to get rid of Adkins is looking more stupid by the minute. If anything, we'd be no worse off at this moment in time. MP had an okish start to life here, but is being shown up quite emphatically at this moment in time. He just doesn't seem to have any idea if the ''high press'' doesn't work, absolutely no idea.

 

Still a long way to go of course, but from being in a position to move clear we are now back in the mire and amongst the worst in the league in terms of form.

 

Alarm bells are ringing very, very loudly for me at this moment in time. Going down this season just can't happen for us, I dread to think of the fallout. We'd be nowhere near promotion the following season though, that's for sure.

 

Having given MP a fair chance, that's exactly how I feel now.

 

Big mistake. We are in trouble.

[dubai_phil]

Well that was krap.

 

SRL off the pace & Puncheon does a Saganowski.

 

Made them look dreadful the way we kept the ball and moved it around and then lose composure or delay around the box again.

 

At least JRod was more direct when he came on & Jose showed the strikers how to shoot.

 

Very very disappointing, especially with a huge turn out for us in the pub & then they have two shots, two goals.

[UpweySaint]

Cant beat a good old Spaz Web meltdown after a defeat. What a bunch of c*nts some of you are. Since when did Southampton ever do it the easy way?? We'll stay up because Wigan, Villa Reading AND YES QPR are far far worse than us.

 

Charming. Our current form is relegation form. This isn't a "we lost once" the world is over reaction from most. We were not good enough today, imo have not been good enough since NA left and something has to change quickly. Yes we dont do things easily but wouldnt it be rather nice if we did!

[harvey]

Cant beat a good old Spaz Web meltdown after a defeat. What a bunch of c*nts some of you are. Since when did Southampton ever do it the easy way?? We'll stay up because Wigan, Villa Reading AND YES QPR are far far worse than us.

 

[derry]

The centre backs were bullied out of it. Fox just doesn't know how to mark, I lost count of the times the only player he could mark was goalside of him, who he thought he was defending against God only knows. Fonte wasn't up to speed and moving Yoshida to the left to accommodate him unbalanced the defence. Both Yoshida and Fonte were diving in and missing far too often. Clyne worked hard but him and Puncheon didn't team up too well today. Cork worked hard but it wasn't one of his best, Schneiderlin did better but Lallana was peripheral and it was an improvement when Rodriguez replaced him. Lambert was just outmuscled without support. Ramirez was starting to run the game but was limping before he was taken off otherwise we might have got something.

 

I'd like to know if anybody was briefed to run interference on the goalkeeper because he wouldn't have made that save from the corner if he had been blocked off. I just think the slow motion square and backwards buildups allowing them to get 10 men in front of the ball together with no off the ball movement to pull them around forced us to hit hopeful balls. Only Lambert seems to know how to move defenders around, we were far too easily marked today.

 

For me plan B was two up front when Plan A wasn't working.

[UpweySaint]

Having given MP a fair chance, that's exactly how I feel now.

 

Big mistake. We are in trouble.

 

Agree with the sentiment from you and Clarke. Just like to add my two cents worth.

 

To be fair MP deserves more then six games to be judged ability wise BUT the decision to bring him in when we did will be judged come the end of the season.

[110_Persaint]

Coutinho looked excellent tonight for Lpool, far better than Ramirez

I have absolutely no doubts whatsoever he'd of been sh*te had he signed for us.

 

Likewise no doubts Ramirez would of exceled at Liverpool.

[Kingsland Red]

Didn't think we had that extra 10% to move the ball around quickly, never played the ball to feet around Samba and no variation.

Dare I say this all adds up to naive management.

Although we would have lost to Man City by showing them too much respect I think NA would have got something out of newcstle and today.

The honeymoon's over Mauricio.

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

We're a joke. £12m for Ramirez!!! I was one of many who questioned that at the start of the season and got nothing but abuse. I'll say it again. £12m should've been spent on 2 or 3 players. Not one very average one. He'll end up leaving for about £2m. Great business that.

Face it. Saints are going to pay the ultimate price for getting rid of NA (2 defeats in his last 12 games). I'd rather have seen us go down with a young British manager in charge than an Argie (1 win in 6) who will be off as soon as we're relegated.

[Roger]

We're a joke. £12m for Ramirez!!! I was one of many who questioned that at the start of the season and got nothing but abuse. I'll say it again. £12m should've been spent on 2 or 3 players. Not one very average one. He'll end up leaving for about £2m. Great business that.

Face it. Saints are going to pay the ultimate price for getting rid of NA (2 defeats in his last 12 games). I'd rather have seen us go down with a young British manager in charge than an Argie (1 win in 6) who will be off as soon as we're relegated.

 

Agree but I don't think we would have gone down. Why replace Ramirez with jwp? Why not Davis or guly?

[Katalinic]

Agree but I don't think we would have gone down. Why replace Ramirez with jwp? Why not Davis or guly?

 

Davis is a big miss imho - made such a difference when he came on against Wigan and was excellent against City. I am not sure you can play Lallana and Ramirez in the same side.

[harvey]

Davis is a big miss imho - made such a difference when he came on against Wigan and was excellent against City. I am not sure you can play Lallana and Ramirez in the same side.

 

Davis is 'ok' and that's about it.........good in one game and not so good in the next two or three.

[Saint_clark]

We're a joke. £12m for Ramirez!!! I was one of many who questioned that at the start of the season and got nothing but abuse. I'll say it again. £12m should've been spent on 2 or 3 players. Not one very average one. He'll end up leaving for about £2m. Great business that.

Face it. Saints are going to pay the ultimate price for getting rid of NA (2 defeats in his last 12 games). I'd rather have seen us go down with a young British manager in charge than an Argie (1 win in 6) who will be off as soon as we're relegated.

 

Interesting. The only reason you would rather go down with Adkins is the fact he is English. Seems a bit xenophobic to me.

[ART]

Guly should have replaced Adam and Steve Davis come on for Ramirez. QPR would never have won had Pinocchio Pochetti done so.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Anybody who thinks we wouldn't have put in a performance like this under Nigel is clearly deluded. It may not have been this exact game, but we would of had a terrible performance if Nigel had stayed. People need to get a grip and calm down.

 

Onto the performance, Cork played well, Jay Rod did ok, but everybody else was a bit pedestrian. Maya had his poorest game for weeks. Fox was no worse than anyone else, but I guess he'll get stick

[Chez]

Not a great display from us. We started brightly but quickly lost our way and ran out of ideas long before the end. Why we are hoofing it long with 20 minutes to go I will never know. I also don't understand why MP played Ramirez. They had two massive slow centre backs and the ideal attacker was someone to turn those two around. Rodriguez was the perfect player to do that. Ramirez, doing everything in front of them wasn't.

 

Lambert had a poor game too, but he had absolutely no support with Ramirez dropping far far too deep. As soon as Lallana went off we ran out of ideas. Far too many players had below average games. Clyne and Puncheon offered absolutely no threat. Morgan dissapeared for long spells. Ramirez did little and appears to only be able to last 60 minutes. The only player that impressed me was Cork, who had a fantastic game. We must improve massively to get anything next week.

 

Boruc 6 one terrrible pass to Fonte that almost put us in terrible trouble. Made everyone nervous a few times, but no other problems.Couldn't do anything aboiut goals. Very little else to do.

Clyne 5 I thought Mbia caused him lots of problems defensively and attacking wise he offered nothing. Get to the byeline for once. Far from his best game.

Fonte 7 looked rusty and got away with a few things at times, but good to have him back. Slightly harsh booking. Got forward a lot long before he was pushed up front at the end, but never looked like scoring despite several efforts. I don't want to see him passing it 5 yards square to Morgan. Push up Morgan and let Fonte bring it out from the back.

Yoshida 4 absolute rubbish. He's Chris Perry Mark II in my eyes. If you play at CB you must be able to win headers. Like Chris he is too small and he suffers. He won two contested ones all day. At fault for both goals unless my eyes deceive me. Poor positioning and outpaced for first. No reason to go to ground for second. Distribution ****e. Almost caught several times near the end. I simply do not see what you all see in him. We'd have been off with Jos against Bothroyd IMO.

Fox 5 One or two good things, one great cross to Puncheon in the second half, but positionally slightly suspect. Get goal side FFS. Always seems to get injured. I'm not a fan, never had been. He's played better and played worse.

Puncheon 5 just didn't do anything to hurt QPR. He took them apart at their place, but he did nothing today.

Cork 9 absolutely oustanding again. Battled and was head and shoulders out best player, but when you see Cork running beyond Lambert as our further forward player you know we haven't got it right.

Morgan 6 very low key display. One great last ditch tackle that saw his name sung, but did not nearly enough.

Lallana 7 bright, unlike pretty much everyone elese bar Cork, lots of effort and movement. Boy did we suffer from a lack of creativity when he went off, although it helped us a little by bringing Jay on.

Ramirez 5 a better display than we have seen recently (Everton apart), not saying much mind, but because he drops so deep it hindered us as we had little up front to aim at. Touch better but just when you need him to make that pass he failed. The goal was quality, but he didn't deliver overall. If you have someone playing in the hole they have to be special. He has talent, but he's not running games. Very poor engine. Can't last the full game at his age?

Lambert 4 very sloppy first half. Looked slow and nothing like the recent snappy performances. Was all on his own, which didn't help, nor did the hoof as the game went on. But when it came to him he wasn't alive. Didn't see enough ball and was never going to win headers against Samba and Hill. Defensively struggled to prevent Samba winning every header from their corners.

Rodriguez 7 very sharp and cause them problems. Didn't quite run for him, but should have started.

Ward Prowse busys but when you need a goal at the death he isn't the player that is going to do it for you. He isn't going to change the pattern. Did fine. Going to be a player, but offes little impact as a sub. Where was Mayuka????

Shaw 6 some nice touches and he drove on, but one crap cross (worst thing he has done in a Saints shirt - he's been that good) before some suspect defending for their second goal.

 

One last moan. The number of times we have the ball for a throw or a free kick or corner right in their half, **** about, lose it and then get caught on the break has to stop. Far too many 2 on 2s, 3 on 3s having been deep in opposition territory moments before.

Edited 2 March, 2013 by Chez

[UpweySaint]

Anybody who thinks we wouldn't have put in a performance like this under Nigel is clearly deluded. It may not have been this exact game, but we would of had a terrible performance if Nigel had stayed. People need to get a grip and calm down.

 

Onto the performance, Cork played well, Jay Rod did ok, but everybody else was a bit pedestrian. Maya had his poorest game for weeks. Fox was no worse than anyone else, but I guess he'll get stick

 

Ok NA wasnt perfect and its easy to wax lyrical in his absence but, yes or no, do you think we would have been better off points wise if he'd stayed? I know thats all very crystal ball but a gut feeling?

[CB Fry]

Cant beat a good old Spaz Web meltdown after a defeat. What a bunch of c*nts some of you are. Since when did Southampton ever do it the easy way?? We'll stay up because Wigan, Villa Reading AND YES QPR are far far worse than us.

 

So it's about staying up now?

 

Interesting.

 

Two weeks ago the general spaz web view was...

 

"how dare you say we can't finish tenth of course we can finish tenth I can't believe the attitude on here we're well on for tenth especially as West Ham, Newcastle and everyone else above us is rubbish and our form has been brilliant if you only count the games we've won and of course of course we can finish tenth. We can definitely finish tenth"

 

...so why are you bringing up relegation? The rest of us have moved on from that. It's called "The Project" you know.

 

Relegation aint part of it.

 

Although, neither is finishing tenth to be honest.

 

That's sh it and the kind of pathetic acheivement that West Brom do. Rubbish.

 

Anyway. Get with project and stop mentioning relegation. Bringing us all down.

[pangy]

How can you say yoshida is too small

 

 

Yoshida is 6"2

[alpine_saint]

We're a joke. £12m for Ramirez!!! I was one of many who questioned that at the start of the season and got nothing but abuse. I'll say it again. £12m should've been spent on 2 or 3 players. Not one very average one. He'll end up leaving for about £2m. Great business that.

Face it. Saints are going to pay the ultimate price for getting rid of NA (2 defeats in his last 12 games). I'd rather have seen us go down with a young British manager in charge than an Argie (1 win in 6) who will be off as soon as we're relegated.

 

Hard to argue with this.

[pangy]

If we go down Ramirez will not be sold at a loss,he would go out on loan I would imagine and if we didnt go straight back up he would of flourished in a better team and would be worth £12 mill plus so we can sell him or bring him back

[Saints Warrior]

saints need to get rid of the `passing game` when not relevant. The QPR game needed somehting more tough and direct, trying to pass thriugh a more superior team was never going to work. QPR were tough, fast and organised but Saints were more like the relegation team.

 

Strange team selection and odd subs. But what is a problem is back up with 3 more players looking injured or still not able to play 90 mins leave Saints very weak to compete.

 

cant see more than 3 wins left in season. Liverpool have improved, Norwich keep pulling points out the bag when needed, Reading too fast for us, WBA+Swansea+ too strong, Spurs no chance.

 

I would have liked 3 to 4 defenders in the window as the back are so weak and easy to pass.

 

At one stage a QPR player ran the lenght of pitch before a tackle by Saints.

 

OK get rid of NA but why replace with someoen who did exactly the same today, could LEFT NA here and got backup players.

 

Oh and Saints just cant shake of passing back to keeper all the time...why? we need to kick forward not backwards.

 

Sorry to say but QPR will escape as they have the toughness and pace to compete

[martin_au]

One last moan. The number of times we have the ball for a throw or a free kick or corner right in their half, **** about, lose it and then get caught on the break has to stop. Far too many 2 on 2s, 3 on 3s having been deep in opposition territory moments before.

this. we have to make sure we wrap up every attacking play or else our defence would be left exposed

[Saints Warrior]

£12m and £7m to play for a players by a club like Saints is both very stupid and could put us in a situation like Skates. How on earth can we justify those sales prices on commodities (thats what football is all about now, just commodities) when you dont have the income being generated to suport it????? I bet the wages at Saints are high too 70-75% of TV money so a quick return maynot be that easy as big ticket players opt to leave.

[Saints Warrior]

getting caught out is Saints downfall, I cant see how we stop leaking goals from these situations when we dont tackle and are just to pedestrian.

[Katalinic]

this. we have to make sure we wrap up every attacking play or else our defence would be left exposed

 

From the first minute this was crap today - we win a corner after 40 odd seconds and instead of putting it into the box we fanny around with a short one and waste it.

[Maggie May]

May I refer you to previous posts. Ie prediction for qpr, response by Puncheon today, Newcastle result.... we are poor and were fortunate to face a poor Man City at home. I always said be cautious of over confidence and it seems I'm right.

 

Today was unacceptable.

[Dearne Valley Saint]

We are going down...Nailed on

[Tractor_Saint]

Although we may have concentrated a little too much on Harry bashing it was funny..

 

We F*cking hate you

 

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[Tractor_Saint]

Although we may have concentrated a little too much on Harry bashing it was funny..

 

Oh, and :

 

You're supposed to be in jail

 

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[saint lard]

We are looking over our shoulders at relegation because of Adkins.

that does not mean Pochetino is any worse or any better.

collectively the club has made poor decisions,on the field..and off it.

Adkins had taken us as far as he could.

Cortese wanted change....but the timing was wrong.

The timing was wrong for Pochetino given the precarious situation we were in when he took over.

 

we are not doomed yet.

today hurts....but keeping our Premier League status will be down more to luck than judgment this season.

[sammysaint]

From where i was sat, Yoshida cost us the 2nd, draw would of been a fair result, we didnt deserve 3 points, Samba was winning everything vs Lambo, Redknapp is a **** but he frustrated us by play counter attacking play and allowing us to keep the ball at the back and not pressure us.

[sammysaint]

From where i was sat, Yoshida cost us the 2nd, draw would of been a fair result, we didnt deserve 3 points, Samba was winning everything vs Lambo, Redknapp is a **** but he frustrated us by playing counter football and allowing us to keep the ball at the back and not pressure us.

 

Is what i wanted to say.

[mitch01]

Very disappointing day, but I wouldn't say alarm bells are ringing for me. I have been impressed enough by our other performances not to be throwing toys out the pram just yet.

[UpweySaint]

We are looking over our shoulders at relegation because of Adkins.

that does not mean Pochetino is any worse or any better.

collectively the club has made poor decisions,on the field..and off it.

Adkins had taken us as far as he could.

Cortese wanted change....but the timing was wrong.

The timing was wrong for Pochetino given the precarious situation we were in when he took over.

 

we are not doomed yet.

today hurts....but keeping our Premier League status will be down more to luck than judgment this season.

 

I think you'l find Adkins has a better record then MP any most managers would have had us NEAR relegation.

 

Others will disagree, me included, and think NA could have taken us on further.

 

Agreed though poor timing. Has given MP an unfair task but, for balance, he knew what he was getting into (he'd done his homework!).

 

No we are not doomed but if we do go down the blame games will start.

[captainchris]

saints need to get rid of the `passing game` when not relevant. The QPR game needed somehting more tough and direct, trying to pass thriugh a more superior team was never going to work. QPR were tough, fast and organised but Saints were more like the relegation team.

 

Strange team selection and odd subs. But what is a problem is back up with 3 more players looking injured or still not able to play 90 mins leave Saints very weak to compete.

 

cant see more than 3 wins left in season. Liverpool have improved, Norwich keep pulling points out the bag when needed, Reading too fast for us, WBA+Swansea+ too strong, Spurs no chance.

 

I would have liked 3 to 4 defenders in the window as the back are so weak and easy to pass.

 

At one stage a QPR player ran the lenght of pitch before a tackle by Saints.

 

OK get rid of NA but why replace with someoen who did exactly the same today, could LEFT NA here and got backup players.

 

Oh and Saints just cant shake of passing back to keeper all the time...why? we need to kick forward not backwards.

 

Sorry to say but QPR will escape as they have the toughness and pace to compete

 

Sorry but we didn't pass it! We hoofed it aimlessly and just gave up possession time after time after time.....

[Chez]

From where i was sat, Yoshida cost us the 2nd,

likewise. Didn't need to go to ground, having done so he can't lose it, having lost it he can't be caught sat on his arse as the gyy walks past him and sets up the winner. He was to blame for first as well, although it was a great pass to put Remi in.

 

Bad day at the office. Doesn't mean we won't play better next week. We have to play well toi win games and we didn't today. We'll stay up if we play to our best in the remaining games.

Edited 2 March, 2013 by Chez

[corky morris]

Just back.

Today was just crap!! All we sang about was Redknapp. How does that help the team??

I have read others comments on players. Agree with some, but not with others. Lots of people saying how well Cork played. I though Morgan was better & the only player on the park to be able to hold his head up afterwards.

That was the worst Clyne & Puncheon have played all season. Yoshida had an absolute mare. I knowyou cant say a bad word about Lambert, but that was the easist 90 minutes Samba has ever had. Some of that was down to our players not helping him, but thought he was terrible today.

Lallana seamed to stop rather than run with the ball. Cork was 2nd best to Morgan IMHO, but never looked comfortable when he had the ball looking to attack.

Jay Rod did well when he came on. Fonte looked rusty. Did we actually win a header off Bothroyd?

Webb has ref'd us 3 times this year & we lost all of the games. He wont give us a decision when it matters.

QPR out bullied us all over the park. Got away with sme bad tackles too. Mbia could easily have been sent off. If Newcastle got a penalty last week it could be argued we should of had one ths week.

Thought MP made mistakes. Leaving Puncheon on & taking off Ramirez. Not pushing Jay Rod up alongside Rickie when we went 2-1 down. Get on Samba's shoulder & get behind him. Not just lump it up.

Last 6 minutes was a joke. Whenever the boot is on the other foot we always struggle yet never look like scoring.

Can we get some pace in the side too please. It was the best way to break down 10 men behind the ball.

QPR beat us 3-0 years ago at Loftus Road & I thought we were going down. Man City beat us at The Dell & I thought we were going down. On neither occasion did we.

Personally dont care if we do. May sound defeatest, but the PL is not the best thing in the world IMHO. I look at QPR & all the mercenaries & I just want to watch park football or my lads having a kick about.

We were as bad today as we were good against Citeh!!!

[Katalinic]

likewise. Didn't need to go to ground, having done so he can't lose it, having lost it he can't be caught sat on his arse as the gyy walks past him and sets up the winner. He was to blame for first as well, although it was a great pass to put Remi in.

 

None of our centre backs are good enough to be Premier League first choice (with the exception of Forren as we have no idea yet). Hopefully we stay up and improve this area in the summer.

[Shroppie]

We are looking over our shoulders at relegation because of Adkins.

 

You cannot be serious.

[corky morris]

Agree with this.

None of our centre backs are good enough to be Premier League first choice (with the exception of Forren as we have no idea yet). Hopefully we stay up and improve this area in the summer.

[UpweySaint]

likewise. Didn't need to go to ground, having done so he can't lose it, having lost it he can't be caught sat on his arse as the gyy walks past him and sets up the winner. He was to blame for first as well, although it was a great pass to put Remi in.

 

Bad day at the office. Doesn't mean we won't play better next week. We have to play well toi win games and we didn't today. We'll stay up if we play to our best in the remaining games.

 

Fair point, if you look at how shaw stood his ground when they broke earlier in the game and the cross was pressurised and over hit ... Yosh was poor today but has looked better in recent weeks. I still think he will come good though. Hope im right!

[Roger]

You cannot be serious.

 

We were 4 Points outside relegation zone just drew with European champions away and 2 defeats in 12 under a manager that had taken us from 18th in league 1 to the premier league, slightly deluded.