Graffito Posted 1 March, 2013 Share Posted 1 March, 2013 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2286792/Nigel-Adkins-takes-legal-action-Southampton--Charles-Sale.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAS Posted 1 March, 2013 Share Posted 1 March, 2013 So looks like the dispute is he is getting a monthy salary when he should be getting the 3yrs lump sum. Sounds reasonable to me. Pay the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted 1 March, 2013 Share Posted 1 March, 2013 Really, the harshest dismisall? Can think of others. Nice to see the Daily Mail on our case again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 1 March, 2013 Share Posted 1 March, 2013 Good luck to him, it was unfair dismissal. I hope he uses the quotes on here that he was the best manager we've ever had and the new Alex Ferguson to support his case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 1 March, 2013 Share Posted 1 March, 2013 Good on him, hope he gets what he's due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 1 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 1 March, 2013 It's not what you'd expect from a good guy like adkins. Think how he was with making sure S****horpe were sorted when he left them. He must feel justified in doing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 1 March, 2013 Share Posted 1 March, 2013 Fair play to him. We don't know the situation so he deserves to get what he's owed. Top bloke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARCELONASAINT Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 we should pay his contract up in full and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Fair play. I hope he gets a shedload of cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Deserves anything and everything. Thanks for everything, Nige. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 It was said a while back that he was placed on gardening leave, not actually sacked. Surely this is the best for both parties? He gets paid what the contract states and if (when) someone else wants him, they have to pay us compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 we should pay his contract up in full and move on. Agreed. Come on Nicola, pay the man, he earned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 It's standard practice not to pay up sacked managers' contracts in one lump sum. First of all, it buys his silence by making sure the manager adheres to any Non Disclosure Agreement. Give him all the money in one lump and he's got no reason to keep his moth shut. Secondly, some managers actually prefer it like that. It means that have a monthly salary coming in and find it better for budgeting purposes. I should say, at this point, that I'm not a big fan of NDAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Not the harshest dismissal, that will always be Fat Sam from Blackburn (dislike the guy but really the worst sacking of all time), but 3 years left on his contract he should expect it to be bought out, to be given the monthly wage but effectively asked to not work is a bit crap and tacking action is representing he needs some sort of pay off to be free from the club so he can start work again in a few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 I don't know the ins and outs of deals like this. However, in Nige I still trust. He will be doing the right thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 we should pay his contract up in full and move on. This! If NC wants a change than fair enough it's up to him, but pay the guy who delivered his 5 year vision in 3, his full contract and then some as gratitude. NC, IMO has been great for us, but he does have a tendency for some strange decisions, and it does not make any business sense either - if true of course! Company I work for (Global multinational), conduct an annual independent (IDC) study and it concluded that negative news about a company gets 10 times the attention than a good news story! No real surprise). Must be more to this that we are not aware of? NC - just pay NA his full contract and any bonuses he may have achieved depending on where we end up - end of! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 **** it, keep the cash and spend it onplayers. he will earn loads else where Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patred44 Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 He acted honouraby when he left Scunny. He has always said when he left the club he wished to be the 'right way'.. FFS FOR ONCE CAN'T WE JUST TREAT SOMEONE DECENTLY.. give him his pay off Cortese, and let him move on... he deserves it FFS and the other 3 you sacked at the same time as well !!!!!! afterall we supposed to be going on to bigger things, no need to act like cheap skates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaford Saint Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Fully agree with this quote He acted honouraby when he left Scunny. He has always said when he left the club he wished to be the 'right way'.. FFS FOR ONCE CAN'T WE JUST TREAT SOMEONE DECENTLY.. give him his pay off Cortese, and let him move on... he deserves it FFS and the other 3 you sacked at the same time as well !!!!!! afterall we supposed to be going on to bigger things, no need to act like cheap skates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 First of all, it buys his silence by making sure the manager adheres to any Non Disclosure Agreement. Give him all the money in one lump and he's got no reason to keep his moth shut. A talking moth you say?.....at least he has been using his free time wisely to train his pet moth to talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 It was said a while back that he was placed on gardening leave, not actually sacked. Surely this is the best for both parties? He gets paid what the contract states and if (when) someone else wants him, they have to pay us compensation. Gardening leave leaves you very much in limbo - I think you will find he wants to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 I say keep him hanging on......what's to complain about?,he's getting paid to do nothing and after all he is free to take another job if one arises,it just means he will be breaking his contract with us and we won't have to pay him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Forgetting the fact he was a great manager for us for a moment. If he is on gardening leave, receiving full pay on what grounds is he taking action? He has a contract that is being paid, presumably as per the original agreement. If he wants to move on he does so and forfeits the rest of his contract with us. If he wants to get paid in full for the contract he waits it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Gardening leave leaves you very much in limbo - I think you will find he wants to move on. That's fair enough and if he's asked Cortese to let him do so then he should have let him (if!) but I can't see that he's got a case here as Saints haven't done anything legally wrong. It sometimes seems to me that the LMA - as well as the PFA and the FSF - just try to challenge anything and everything to make it look like they're doing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La BoIS Saint Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Forgetting the fact he was a great manager for us for a moment. If he is on gardening leave, receiving full pay on what grounds is he taking action? He has a contract that is being paid, presumably as per the original agreement. If he wants to move on he does so and forfeits the rest of his contract with us. If he wants to get paid in full for the contract he waits it out. Some people come up with any old rubbish to support Cortese. This is a sort of "rot in the reserves" argument for players who aren't co-operating. Nigel was sacked so he should be paid his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowds Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Maybe this is why I saw him In winch Tuesday outside the hotel and bistro looking ****ed off and run Down haha. My heart bleeds for 3 years of income for nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 It's not what you'd expect from a good guy like Adkins. Think how he was with making sure S****horpe were sorted when he left them. He must feel justified in doing this. Exactly. Atkins is a decent and honourable man. Cortese is a total ****. OK, he might be our total ****, but he is still a total ****. What does Cortese get out of this sort of crap? Some sort of deviant sexual pleasure? Sort it effing out FFS! Saints used to be a model of a "decent family club", but we are looking more and more like a pack of greedy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stug76 Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Some people come up with any old rubbish to support Cortese. This is a sort of "rot in the reserves" argument for players who aren't co-operating. Nigel was sacked so he should be paid his contract. It has nothing to do with a pro or anti Cortese argument. All I'm asking is, if Adkins has a contract, and that's being paid as per the original terms what is the basis for the action that Adkins is taking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Gardening leave leaves you very much in limbo - I think you will find he wants to move on. Which is fair enough, so they will reach a compromise agreement at some stage I would have thought - at present, Nige is geting full whack, which is pretty standard. The word 'sack' in football is wrongly used anyway, as I understand it, it is usually for a summary dismissal, for gross misconduct so no payments woild be due... in this case his contract has not been terminated, but his duties have been removed, so I guess the new terms of the contract have been forced upon him. There will be a resolution down the line, but at least in the meantime, he is not out of pocket in any way - but as you say, a clean break is best for all - they just have to agree on the terms etc. Nige went on hliday, took some time, and is probably now been in discussions with other clubs who are interested, but would prefer not to pay any compensation to saints (again fair enough under the circumstances), so he needs this resolved quickly. I am just a little surprized and saddened that this could not be done between Nige and NC. Nige was probably given a choice of a full contract payout over the length of the contract, or a reduced amount one off paymmnet in full and final settlement - which is again pretty standard I would have thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyNumber7 Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 FFS Cortese just pay Nige what he is owed, it's the least he deserves. The sacking was shameful enough, let's not drag it out any further. I will always love the club, but I'm finding it difficult to like it lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Exactly. Atkins is a decent and honourable man. Cortese is a total ****. OK, he might be our total ****, but he is still a total ****. What does Cortese get out of this sort of crap? Some sort of deviant sexual pleasure? Sort it effing out FFS! Saints used to be a model of a "decent family club", but we are looking more and more like a pack of greedy Really, I thought most felt Lowe was a ****.... amazing how perspectives change when they suit. We have done nothing differently to most other clubs, and its the 'outrage' of the media and that expressed by football clique that sucks so many in - this is a man paid 100s of thousands a year on full salary at this time, and we are ment to be 'outraged'? FFS get some perspective, real sympathy should be for those millions in this country living below the poverty line, and outrage reserved for those that put and keep them there... I am not sure whether some fans are simply naive or plain stupid - you want everything - a 'family' club, yet expect rapid progress, cheap tickets, yet expensive signings and no wage caps, success on your terms within and environment that is driven by buisness. You can not have it all... and yet those who now pontificate '' rather have our integrity than a prem place and success on these terms''... were the same old complaining about relegation from teh prem in teh first place and blaming all and sundry for having wage caps and lacking investment..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 FFS Cortese just pay Nige what he is owed, it's the least he deserves. The sacking was shameful enough, let's not drag it out any further. I will always love the club, but I'm finding it difficult to like it lately. er... you missed teh poiint, he IS being paid what he is owed in full on a monthly basis.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 2 March, 2013 Author Share Posted 2 March, 2013 er... you missed teh poiint' date=' he IS being paid what he is owed in full on a monthly basis....[/quote'] I think the point might be restraint of trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Nigel is a decent man . I'm sure he would not want this aired in public . No wonder he is hacked off if indeed he is . Someone in the league managers association has leaked this to the media . Arseholes I wonder if it is someone loyal to QPR or redkrapp? The one thing that Nigel is good at is honesty and keeping his own counsel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyNumber7 Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Ok then, pay it in a lump sum so he can find new employment, and everyone can move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 I think the point might be restraint of trade. Agreed - but that was not waht the poster was implying. A compromise agreement usually comes with certain caveats depends on what you agree to. I left a job in the past under such terms, and because I HAD to agree not to work for any competitor for 6 months, The payment was appropriate. all cases will be different. The club still have nige on the books and he is a valuable asset as compensation would be due if he was poached within the period of his contract. If NOge wants to terminate the contract, and not get paid he has that right as well - something he could do if he walks into another job. Fans react emotionally and an a purely emotional perspective its hard to argue against him deserving 2 mil or so for what he did... but that is NOT how life works or a sensible way to manage a business - he IS currently getting what he is entitled to under his contractual terms. If he NEEDS to terminate that contract to get another job, should we really need to carry on paying him as well? Its not as Black or white as the usual emotive gubs like to to present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Nigel is a decent man . I'm sure he would not want this aired in public . No wonder he is hacked off if indeed he is . Someone in the league managers association has leaked this to the media . Arseholes I wonder if it is someone loyal to QPR or redkrapp? The one thing that Nigel is good at is honesty and keeping his own counsel What exactly has it to do with QPR or Redknapp ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Nigel is a decent man . I'm sure he would not want this aired in public . No wonder he is hacked off if indeed he is . Someone in the league managers association has leaked this to the media . Arseholes I wonder if it is someone loyal to QPR or redkrapp? The one thing that Nigel is good at is honesty and keeping his own counsel I used the words "paranoid schizos" to describe forum nutcases the other day. Here's another example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Ok then, pay it in a lump sum so he can find new employment, and everyone can move on. Of course a settlement is desired - best for all parties, and you can bet a settlement will be reached so its a no story - there is nothing out of teh ordinary in this - its a simple issue of contract resolution/termination and as with any HR issue should not really be in the public domain. Fans want to make it an issue because of the their emotional connection to NIge or their dilike of of NC, but from an HR perspective (Human resources not Harry Redknapp just in case) there is nothing remotely unusual... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiSaint Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Unless things have changed in the 12 years I have lived abroad then it will make a big difference to NA because severance pay or pay in lieu of notice is tax free whereas putting him on gardening leave and paying him monthly means he has to pay tax. Usually a contract will have a clause to cover this eventuality because it is not just salary that has to be considered but also other benefits like a company car, medical insurance etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 (edited) Charles Sale and Rupert Lowe.....all you need to know. Pair of idiots.. This is between the Club and Nigel. Edited 2 March, 2013 by ottery st mary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 We dont know what is in the contract. It is a wonderful business, get paid 3 years in advance and then walk into another highly paid job to get a double result. If NA is out of work and is getting full salary then he is in no worse a position. He can live a fantastic lifestyle until he gets another job, and then get an even better package on what he got by managing us and improving his stock. I cant recall much hand wringing when Branfoot, nicholl,Gray, Wigley Sturrock left, they would have been in the same position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Charles Sale and Rupert Lowe.....all you need to know. Pair of idiots.. This is between the Club and Nigel. ...does the article say different? You're the one bringing irrelevent third parties into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Unless things have changed in the 12 years I have lived abroad then it will make a big difference to NA because severance pay or pay in lieu of notice is tax free whereas putting him on gardening leave and paying him monthly means he has to pay tax. Usually a contract will have a clause to cover this eventuality because it is not just salary that has to be considered but also other benefits like a company car, medical insurance etc. Pay in lieu of notice (PILON) is not tax free. Redundancy pay is tax free up to a certain level, and is then taxable, but Adkins was not made redundant (the post of Team Manager still exists). Whether you can be paid a lump sum in lieu of notice depends on your employment contract, if there is no provision for this in the contract then it cannot be done without affecting the rights of the employee (if not in contract and you do it then any restrictive covenants on the employee are immediately lost). He has been relieved of his duties, and been put on gardening leave, probably until the end of the season. So currently he is being paid his monthly salary as usual. Contrary to the thread title put up by the OP, he is not taking legal action, he has gone to his union (LMA) and sought to resolve his situation through their arbitration service. Sounds to me like the Daily Fail trying to whip up a strom where none exists, and it seems to be working with some supporters. There really is not much of a story here, NA will get what he is entitled to at the appropriate time, meanwhile he is being paid in full on a monthly basis for doing nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 (edited) ...does the article say different? You're the one bringing irrelevent third parties into it. Coz on my posts I am allowed to.. Mind your own biz. Anyway of to the game now..so no time to debate with you and explain how Mr Sale and Mr Lowe are such prize idiots... Edited 2 March, 2013 by ottery st mary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oracle saint Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Unless things have changed in the 12 years I have lived abroad then it will make a big difference to NA because severance pay or pay in lieu of notice is tax free whereas putting him on gardening leave and paying him monthly means he has to pay tax. Usually a contract will have a clause to cover this eventuality because it is not just salary that has to be considered but also other benefits like a company car, medical insurance etc. Only the first £30k, I think. In fact less tax will probably be paid by being paid monthly. if a lump sum was paid 2012/13 then the top tax rate is 50%; payments in 2013/14 will be subject to a top rate of 45%; as well as this NA would be entitled to a new set of personal allowances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Coz on my posts I am allowed to.. Mind your own biz. Anyway of to the game now..so no time to debate with you and explain how Mr Sale and Mr Lowe are such prize idiots... Delighted I got some emoticons out of you. Your previous effort sadly lacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Only the first £30k, I think. In fact less tax will probably be paid by being paid monthly. if a lump sum was paid 2012/13 then the top tax rate is 50%; payments in 2013/14 will be subject to a top rate of 45%; as well as this NA would be entitled to a new set of personal allowances. can you not spread "exceptional revenues" over several years for tax purposes then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Delighted I got some emoticons out of you. Your previous effort sadly lacking. I have already told you..I am off to the game and I will be late to sing my songs about my mate Rupert. You took my crayons away from me before.....regarding my little tease about Rupert and his undoubted Financial prowess:p I am restricted to just one or two emoticons nowadays.. Gotta go...Luv ya:blush: ;) Let us all hope the mighty Saints win.....pleeeeese:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 2 March, 2013 Share Posted 2 March, 2013 Forgetting the fact he was a great manager for us for a moment. If he is on gardening leave, receiving full pay on what grounds is he taking action? He has a contract that is being paid, presumably as per the original agreement. If he wants to move on he does so and forfeits the rest of his contract with us. If he wants to get paid in full for the contract he waits it out. Pobably on the grounds of constructive dismisal (would need to see his contract). But we have effectively sacked him even though we are honouring his pay. This is the same as appointing a director to a company and then making him the tea boy on the same salary! He has the right to go to an employment tribunal for full and proper compensation and a release from ongoing obligations on his part given the other party (the club) has not complied with its obligations! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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