An interesting evening

[VectisSaint]

I wanted to know a bit more about him and stumbled upon this;

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_div_1/1249157.stm

 

I assume it's the same bloke and I know it's not the championship but it's still the second tier.

You're absolutely right, so my apologies to LadySaint. I misread the stats, forgetting that League 1 was only formed what 3 or 4 years ago. I see he played alongside Chris Lucketti in that game as well. As someone else said, he is now a Saints hero for performing so well against the Skates.

[eelpie]

season ticket holders issued a voucher for 2 pints before and 1 at half time?

 

Season ticket holders offered a free game token?

[St Marco]

Propoganda or not it can only be seen as a good thing in my eyes...

 

But then i don't have a moan at everything i can...thus my friends like me...

 

Sorry but it is not a question of being "liked by your friends". This is a football club where the results matter not "how nice you are". I have met many many "nice managers" including people like Alan Pardew, Ian Dowie, Mickey Adams and so on. They are all currently without a club because they had bad results. If the league table was given points for "how nice you are" then we would be near the top wouldn't we. If were building a club on "being seen as good", then somebody needs a huge kick up the ass. It is a results buisness where results only matter and they have not got the results simple as that. People like Adrian are made happy easily. A vist down the pub to say hi to a few fans to say thanks for their support is very nice of them, it is great that they bothered to take the time out of their busy lives to do that. But they are empty words. We have won 5 games from 19 games, we have won once at home in 10 games. That is a 10% win ratio, that is pitiful. That adrian is FACT.

 

So while some of you might be happy and believe what they say that things will get better and that people wont be sold in the january window etc.. i don't. I appreciate the inccentive of speaking with the fans, it makes a nice change from the previous managers we have had. But for me i would much rather have more wins under our belt and be away from the relegtion zone then have "a nice guy" as our manager. If that makes me an arsehole then so be it.

[saintbob40]

Sorry but it is not a question of being "liked by your friends". This is a football club where the results matter not "how nice you are". I have met many many "nice managers" including people like Alan Pardew, Ian Dowie, Mickey Adams and so on. They are all currently without a club because they had bad results. If the league table was given points for "how nice you are" then we would be near the top wouldn't we. If were building a club on "being seen as good", then somebody needs a huge kick up the ass. It is a results buisness where results only matter and they have not got the results simple as that. People like Adrian are made happy easily. A vist down the pub to say hi to a few fans to say thanks for their support is very nice of them, it is great that they bothered to take the time out of their busy lives to do that. But they are empty words. We have won 5 games from 19 games, we have won once at home in 10 games. That is a 10% win ratio, that is pitiful. That adrian is FACT.

 

So while some of you might be happy and believe what they say that things will get better and that people wont be sold in the january window etc.. i don't. I appreciate the inccentive of speaking with the fans, it makes a nice change from the previous managers we have had. But for me i would much rather have more wins under our belt and be away from the relegtion zone then have "a nice guy" as our manager. If that makes me an arsehole then so be it.

 

so be it........

[Scudamore]

Sorry but it is not a question of being "liked by your friends". This is a football club where the results matter not "how nice you are". I have met many many "nice managers" including people like Alan Pardew, Ian Dowie, Mickey Adams and so on. They are all currently without a club because they had bad results. If the league table was given points for "how nice you are" then we would be near the top wouldn't we. If were building a club on "being seen as good", then somebody needs a huge kick up the ass. It is a results buisness where results only matter and they have not got the results simple as that. People like Adrian are made happy easily. A vist down the pub to say hi to a few fans to say thanks for their support is very nice of them, it is great that they bothered to take the time out of their busy lives to do that. But they are empty words. We have won 5 games from 19 games, we have won once at home in 10 games. That is a 10% win ratio, that is pitiful. That adrian is FACT.

 

So while some of you might be happy and believe what they say that things will get better and that people wont be sold in the january window etc.. i don't. I appreciate the inccentive of speaking with the fans, it makes a nice change from the previous managers we have had. But for me i would much rather have more wins under our belt and be away from the relegtion zone then have "a nice guy" as our manager. If that makes me an arsehole then so be it.

 

No no. You completely miss my point. But then i've spotted you do that quite a bit...

 

My point was propoganda or not i see no problem with our management going to have an intimate evening with the fans. In fact i encourage it...as mentioned it enhances the "Spirit of Southampton" that we all crave...a club where the fans don't feel like they're being ignored...

 

The bit relating to me being liked by my friends had nothing to do with Jan wanting to be liked by the fans or the players. It was more to do with the fact that i'd suggest that when people invite you and you're wife over for a meal...it is to see her...when you eventually divorce because she just can't take any more of your negativity and moaning they will drop you like a stone...because negative people are a drain on the souls of normal folk...

 

It was a personal slur. Because when you try to turn something that would be so difficult to be taken as anything but a positive and try and turn it on it's head you sir look like an utter pen:s...

[team-saint]

I don't think anyone was saying that a manager has to be nice. It was just being said that the fans appreciate that Jan cares enough to want to take time out to meet with fans and discuss the club and that he's a nice guy. We'd probably all prefer winning to being having a nice manager but there's no reason to think we can't have both.

[surrey1saint]

Sorry St Marco I disagree, I would doubt if RL would even know he was there, and Jan did say that he was not told where to go by anyone it was his own choice to meet with the fans and sure all those that were in attendance would agree with that. Dont lets dampen our spirits we have a game and three points to look forward to tomorrow. Regardless of what anyone says the team has played exceptionally well the majority of this season, were are not getting the results at home I agree but we have still played good football.

 

Here here COYR!!

[manji]

Funny how people fall for the propoganda and some don't isn't it. Because Jan/Wotte and 2 players really want to go to a fan chat evening every other night don't they? They are going because they have been told to go simple as that. I have yet to speak to Jan but with his record and saying "everything will be alright because i said so" to me just makes me even more worried. We have won 1 game at home all season. When the results start changing then i might believe it, but they arn't.

Bed-wetter.

[um pahars]

I would say about 50 - 60 its not a very big pub, Jan actually mentioned that he was attending the London Saints on Saturday after the game, told him we would buy him a pint if they won :-)

 

I heard he and others were visiting the London Saints earlier in the week and have to say that these visits out to the fans can only be seen as a good thing to do.

 

I think there should be more of these type of events, and I think the players should be out much more in the community doing things. There will always be schools, local teams & other community groups & institutions in and around the city that they could go and visit.

 

For me it's a great way of building up some rapport with existing (and prospective) supporters.

 

I think recent years have seen the relationship between the Club and its supporters suffer, so we really do need to be doing things like this to try and rebuild bridges.

 

Whether Jan & Wotte are the right men for the job is a totally seperate argument, and ultimately they will have to be judged on their results (and no amount of schmoozing would be able to cover up any deficiencies), but full marks for them getting out and about whilst they are here;).

[rocknrollman no2]

Thanks to Ladysaint for her feedback.

It seems that Jan is a nice chap and wants to build a good spirit at Saints,which i applaud.

I dont want to seem negative but,i will feel so much better if we can hold on to the players we have in the transfer window.

So its over to you Rupert.

[BGF]

I can remember when McMenemy joined the club from Grimsby back in the 70s & I spoke to a relative from Grimsby and asked him what he was like as a manager his reply was "For getting people behind the team fantastic, tactically in relation to football crap" LM used to take the team around places like Fords & the docks. I think this built a good relationship between the fans and the team, which I think has gone downhill over the last 10 years. Perhaps JP is very much the same.

[yorkie]

I noted when I went and watched a basketball game in the states that with the ticket you got a pizza and a coke. How about the club giving vouchers for kids to have a yorkie and coke etc in the family section.That may bring a few parents out with their kids but also help them with the cost of taking a kid to a game.(I would point out this is not of self interest)

 

Leave me out of it - no matter how well we do I'm never visiting SMS with Lowe in charge - never mind being given out free to every kid with a coke.

 

However if that lovely page three model is visiting SMS on that day I may come down to be her "freebie for the day" - if only I could remember her name!!! She has her knockers but personally I think she's comes across very well!!!

[yorkie]

Thanks to Ladysaint for her feedback.

It seems that Jan is a nice chap and wants to build a good spirit at Saints,which i applaud.

I dont want to seem negative but,i will feel so much better if we can hold on to the players we have in the transfer window.

So its over to you Rupert.

 

I'm getting confused - isn't ladysaint a Jan too?

 

No wonder we all love them so much!

[NickG]

Sorry but it is not a question of being "liked by your friends". This is a football club where the results matter not "how nice you are". I have met many many "nice managers" including people like Alan Pardew, Ian Dowie, Mickey Adams and so on. They are all currently without a club because they had bad results. If the league table was given points for "how nice you are" then we would be near the top wouldn't we. If were building a club on "being seen as good", then somebody needs a huge kick up the ass. It is a results buisness where results only matter and they have not got the results simple as that. People like Adrian are made happy easily. A vist down the pub to say hi to a few fans to say thanks for their support is very nice of them, it is great that they bothered to take the time out of their busy lives to do that. But they are empty words. We have won 5 games from 19 games, we have won once at home in 10 games. That is a 10% win ratio, that is pitiful. That adrian is FACT.

 

So while some of you might be happy and believe what they say that things will get better and that people wont be sold in the january window etc.. i don't. I appreciate the inccentive of speaking with the fans, it makes a nice change from the previous managers we have had. But for me i would much rather have more wins under our belt and be away from the relegtion zone then have "a nice guy" as our manager. If that makes me an arsehole then so be it.

 

everyone would rather more wins, we would also rather some better players but we are higher than we were last season with 20 mins to go with a fraction of the players available to him. His comments show genuine character

 

not ignoring the home form -but you don't mention 4 wins, 1 draw out of 9 away games

[Scudamore]

Leave me out of it - no matter how well we do I'm never visiting SMS with Lowe in charge - never mind being given out free to every kid with a coke.

 

However if that lovely page three model is visiting SMS on that day I may come down to be her "freebie for the day" - if only I could remember her name!!! She has her knockers but personally I think she's comes across very well!!!

 

He meant encouraging kids to snort cocaine off you...nickh has some funny ideas it must be said...

[View From The Top]

but you don't mention 4 wins, 1 draw out of 9 away games

 

Maybe it was something to do with the fact that most fans go to home games where they've only seen one home league win.

 

Away wins are great but home form is the bread and butter.

[NickG]

Maybe it was something to do with the fact that most fans go to home games where they've only seen one home league win.

 

Away wins are great but home form is the bread and butter.

 

totally agree - particularly as our home win was my first home game inc friendlies missed for a few years! Just worth mentioning when he was beating up the manager over his performance

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I welcome this kind of honest effort to build bridges with the fan base and by all accounts Jan Poortvliet is urbane and interesting company - if only football matches could be won over as easily as Saints fans .

[um pahars]

His comments show genuine character

 

As much as I applaud these efforts to get out and meet the grass roots supporters, I do think what is said has to be viewed in a sensible and rational manner. With regards judging the character, ability and success of a manager, then platitudes and soundbites don't play any real part.

 

Jan has to deliver on the pitch and I truly hope he can, because he does appear to be a decent fella (and of course that would mean a modicum of success which is all we all want), but ultimately results on the pitch will be the decider of how much character he has.

[NickG]

and there has been loads of comments on results, and it is clear to see - surely this a thread of something positive he has done and the opportunity a couple of poster got to judge him personally?

No-one is saying because he goes to the pub he is Jose M just that people like what they saw/heard

[um pahars]

just that people like what they saw/heard

 

And as I have said numerous times on here, on most of the occasions when I have heard him speak (particularly in the flesh after the West Ham game) he comes across as fairly honest, decent and warm fella.

 

But he has to translate that into success on the pitch and particularly at home, because despite coming across OK, being a decent fella and saying all the right things, we have been pretty poor at home and sit just above the relegation zone.

 

I admire his stance in going out to meet the fans and think it can only be positive with regards developing a feeling of unity and spirit in the Club off the pitch, but that is no substitute for deliveirng on the pitch.

[NickG]

I think he could do much better but for new team, very inexperienced, bit of bad luck with injuries - we are better than we were for most of the latter part of last year with supposedly better players -think he is delivering to some degree

[It's There]

And as I have said numerous times on here, on most of the occasions when I have heard him speak (particularly in the flesh after the West Ham game) he comes across as fairly honest, decent and warm fella.

 

But he has to translate that into success on the pitch and particularly at home, because despite coming across OK, being a decent fella and saying all the right things, we have been pretty poor at home and sit just above the relegation zone.

 

I admire his stance in going out to meet the fans and think it can only be positive with regards developing a feeling of unity and spirit in the Club off the pitch, but that is no substitute for deliveirng on the pitch.

 

But surely, if the football played is better, which by all accounts it is, then the results are more likely to follow! Everything must be kept in perspective to last season and the terrible performances which too often appeared in SMS. At the start of this season most people were settling for a mid table finish- at best. I, along with others, believe that we will actually finish near or in teh playoffs...mainly because I think these players will get stronger as the season progresses.

 

Support the team now, and don't keep harking on about how bad things are..you know you'll feel better for it!!

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

But surely' date=' if the football played is better, which by all accounts it is [/quote']

 

You reckon ?

 

I can assure you some of the games I've seen at SMS this season were a good match last seasons worst efforts - but with a much cheaper team to be fair .

[SFC Forever]

Lady Saint your a diamond, thanks.

[eelpie]

But surely, if the football played is better, which by all accounts it is, then the results are more likely to follow! Everything must be kept in perspective to last season and the terrible performances which too often appeared in SMS. At the start of this season most people were settling for a mid table finish- at best. I, along with others, believe that we will actually finish near or in teh playoffs...mainly because I think these players will get stronger as the season progresses.

 

Support the team now, and don't keep harking on about how bad things are..you know you'll feel better for it!!

 

I do support the team, and have always praised their improving skills, passing rate and teamwork. The defence does seem to be getting better, but we still have no strategies for breaking down a resolute, organised, stonewalling defence such as Plymouth have, who fell back whenever Saints came near, particularly in the second half on Tuesday. They had a solid wall of seven men abreast in front of their very able keeper. We need someone with height and build capable of outleaping the opposition and able to head the ball in. We have no-one who can do this reasonably consistently other than on-loan John and Rasiak. Our existing frontmen (with the possible exception of the young and untried Jamie White) are never going to match them, I am afraid, and it has to be addressed before it is too late.

[um pahars]

But surely' date=' if the football played is better, which by all accounts it is, [/quote']

 

Well I can only assume that you don't attend games at SMS because the performances there have been pretty disappointing on the whole. I personally have seen probably 1 1/2 good performances out of about 8.

 

Some of the games have been very, very poor.

 

then the results are more likely to follow!

 

Almost halfway through the season and we are still in a relegation battle. When we went down people trotted out "the results will soon change" line on a regular basis. The time to deliver has come.

 

Support the team now' date=' and don't keep harking on about how bad things are..you know you'll feel better for it!![/quote']

 

I do support the team, and always will do, but I am also a realist and am happy to face up to things head on and not try and pretend things are all rosey if only I would put my tinted specs on.

 

I fully appreciate the skill, passion and commitment of some of these youngsters and I also fully appreciate that Jan is a decent, hard working and honest manager, it's just as we stand here today, I still have some massive reservations over how our future will pan out.

 

Even if it all goes ti77s up, then I'm sure something will come out the other end, so it's not all doom and gloom from me. Just an honest assessment from what I have seen so far.

[Amesbury Saint]

There are ways of increasing the gates significantly and the club are trying by reducing the ticket prices for the Forest game and if they like what they see they hopefully will return, perhaps not to every game but if they return again within the season thats something.

 

I have made suggestions before i.e. every season ticket holder bring a friend for free and fill the Chapel end up. Grandparents day, grandchildren can bring their grandparents along as a Xmas present for £5.00 each grandparent for a nominated match. You have to think out the box to get the gates increased without upsetting the ST holders. I buy my ST to support the club and my team and if someone gets in cheapers for a couple of games per season to boost the crowd all well and good, 3 points is more important to me than £3 in my pocket.

 

I think they are excellent suggestions. I suggest the club should go further - why not give the first 5000 adult season ticket holders a free season ticket to give to a loved one for Xmas. The club needs to fill the ground!

[Mowgli]

Great thread (with the one notable exception) and one that does a lot for motivating the fans. Browsing two or three forums, I think this is the last one to recognise that the foundations are being put in place for something quite special in the future. OK, the occasional good performances are still a bit too rare and the results must become more consistent but given what we have at our disposal, it's quite amazing what we have achieved.

[CB Fry]

Sorry but it is not a question of being "liked by your friends". This is a football club where the results matter not "how nice you are". I have met many many "nice managers" including people like Alan Pardew, Ian Dowie, Mickey Adams and so on. They are all currently without a club because they had bad results. If the league table was given points for "how nice you are" then we would be near the top wouldn't we. If were building a club on "being seen as good", then somebody needs a huge kick up the ass. It is a results buisness where results only matter and they have not got the results simple as that. People like Adrian are made happy easily. A vist down the pub to say hi to a few fans to say thanks for their support is very nice of them, it is great that they bothered to take the time out of their busy lives to do that. But they are empty words. We have won 5 games from 19 games, we have won once at home in 10 games. That is a 10% win ratio, that is pitiful. That adrian is FACT.

 

So while some of you might be happy and believe what they say that things will get better and that people wont be sold in the january window etc.. i don't. I appreciate the inccentive of speaking with the fans, it makes a nice change from the previous managers we have had. But for me i would much rather have more wins under our belt and be away from the relegtion zone then have "a nice guy" as our manager. If that makes me an arsehole then so be it.

 

Micky Adams is currently the manager of Brighton and Hove Albion. That, St Marco, is a FACT.

 

Once again you come over with your I'm cleverererer than you routine.

 

I don't think there's a person alive that places more value on a pub chat than our points tally in the table - its just you thinking people think that to make yourself feel superior.

 

Jan meeting a few fans in the pub seems like a pretty nice gesture, but there isn't anyone that thinks that in itself is going to get us promoted.

 

We all know we're an inconsistent mess and we all know serious work needs to be done to secure our CCC status.

 

What we don't need is some dullard pontificating about "propaganda" - it's a football coach meeting a few fans in the pub. It's hardly "Triumph of the Will" is it?

 

Propaganda....christ.

 

 

Seriously, get over yourself.

[Saint_clark]

And yet you take the paper rumour that Spurs will have Lalanna/Surman for £5M as gospel :smt010

 

Did I say that?

[St_Tel49]

As much as I applaud these efforts to get out and meet the grass roots supporters, I do think what is said has to be viewed in a sensible and rational manner. With regards judging the character, ability and success of a manager, then platitudes and soundbites don't play any real part.

 

Jan has to deliver on the pitch and I truly hope he can, because he does appear to be a decent fella (and of course that would mean a modicum of success which is all we all want), but ultimately results on the pitch will be the decider of how much character he has.

 

No - I think that it is a decider of how much character the team has. I think that there is plenty of evidence that he is a good coach. The fact that the team has not always got the results they deserve has had as much to do with their inexperience and over enthusiasm as anything. Our results this year are basically no worse than last year but the football has been a damn sight better to watch and hasn't cost anything like as much in wages. I call that some sort of win. HE has the character to go out and face fans when things are not hunky dorey and to defend his philosophy. I repeat what I have said before - I do not believe that we will be relegated but we have to kick on next year.

[St Marco]

Micky Adams is currently the manager of Brighton and Hove Albion. That, St Marco, is a FACT.

 

Once again you come over with your I'm cleverererer than you routine.

 

I don't think there's a person alive that places more value on a pub chat than our points tally in the table - its just you thinking people think that to make yourself feel superior.

 

Jan meeting a few fans in the pub seems like a pretty nice gesture, but there isn't anyone that thinks that in itself is going to get us promoted.

 

We all know we're an inconsistent mess and we all know serious work needs to be done to secure our CCC status.

 

What we don't need is some dullard pontificating about "propaganda" - it's a football coach meeting a few fans in the pub. It's hardly "Triumph of the Will" is it?

 

Propaganda....christ.

 

 

Seriously, get over yourself.

 

Boo fecking hoo. Look who it is our resident Mr lets slag everybody off guy. Seriously do you actually offer anything to this board? All your posts are aimed at having a pop at someone and you have the audacity to think i need to get over myself?! Should change your name to CB Cry...I remember when you would ***** when people would call you out on your rubbish such as above, you would whinge and try and get them banned. Obviously that can't apply to you can it seeing as your a stingy bastard since we have to had help with the cost. At least i go to the home and away games and at least i talk about valid points about this club. Where as you i doubt have even seen SMS before or even been to any away games at all.

But the ironic thing is you and others have missed the point totally, a point that at least Um Pahars gets, and he gets it because he goes to the games, he pays his hard earned cash to see the team. And anyone who has seen the team over the course of this season knows a few good performances in a sea of crap performances don't make things better.

As UP and i have said what use does going down the pub have on things exactly? If our previous managers i.e Burley/Dodd&Gorman did that would people believe them? Hell no.

 

As i have said so many times before Jan is in a no win situation and always will be. He has been given a bum deal. He is in a job he has next to no control over and if he speaks up or says no he will be out. I think we all feel sorry for the guy. But what will make him respected is getting results especially at home where the people that matter watch. How is saying "were be alright" or "we dont need to sell xyz in january" going to actually help exactly? And what if we go from bad to worse and xyz are sold in january? Then will you think he is a liar?

 

So it is a really nice "gesture" for the staff to go meet the fans. That is great and i respect him for that as i said. But his words would hold more value to me and the actual people who bother to go to games if we had more points on the board. It is like someone flying a plane who has never flown before and after they cross into the wake of a jumbo jet turning round and saying "were be alright!". So you might trust that guy but i wouldn't until they have safely got us on the ground. But it was a nice gesture to offer to fly the plane!

I know your a bit simple in the head what with being a **** and all so i hope you get my metaphor!

 

And i did mention our wins away i said we won 5 of 19 games....

Plus i meant in general about those managers you muppet, the point which again you obviously missed was they are all nice guys and have not done so great in this league recently.

But i do enjoy your vists to this website, they do offer such intelligence and understanding!

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Boo fecking hoo. Look who it is our resident Mr lets slag everybody off guy. Seriously do you actually offer anything to this board? All your posts are aimed at having a pop at someone and you have the audacity to think i need to get over myself ?!

 

You've summed him up perfectly my friend . :smt045

 

Although you clearly don't need any help in defending yourself if I was you I wouldn't want to get dragged down to his level - it's really not worth it .

[thefuriousb]

Thanks to St Marco, Um Pahars & Chapel End Charlie for killing a thread which yesterday boarders greatly appreciated - many of whom seemed to take great heart and encouragement from it when politics seem to always engulf and suffocate our club.

 

It would be nice if you could for once say something positive and leave it at that rather than then let your urge to always decry the club consume you.

[surrey1saint]

Thanks to St Marco, Um Pahars & Chapel End Charlie for killing a thread which yesterday boarders greatly appreciated - many of whom seemed to take great heart and encouragement from it when politics seem to always engulf and suffocate our club.

 

It would be nice if you could for once say something positive and leave it at that rather than then let your urge to always decry the club consume you.

 

Here, here.

[ericofarabia]

season ticket holders issued a voucher for 2 pints before and 1 at half time?

 

Not legal I'm afraid, you're not allowed to incite people to drink alcohol.

 

But surely this seasons home results are already inciting people to drink

[Wes Tender]

But surely, if the football played is better, which by all accounts it is, then the results are more likely to follow! Everything must be kept in perspective to last season and the terrible performances which too often appeared in SMS. At the start of this season most people were settling for a mid table finish- at best. I, along with others, believe that we will actually finish near or in teh playoffs...mainly because I think these players will get stronger as the season progresses.

 

Support the team now, and don't keep harking on about how bad things are..you know you'll feel better for it!!

 

I agree that some perspective needs to be maintained, which is why although the youngsters will gain experience and strength and awareness and understanding of their colleagues, all of which should improve results, there are a couple of flies in the ointment.

 

Home results have to improve, as 1 win at home nearly halfway through the season is diabolical. If it is a psychological thing, then it needs to be overcome. Otherwise, it is a tactical thing that needs to be addressed by Poortvliet. Obviously we cannot get anywhere near the play-offs unless we start winning home games.

 

And in any event, whilst we're agreeing that perspective must be maintained, although the team will gain strength with time and experience, in a few weeks time, players vital to the quality of the squad will have to be sold to balance the books, putting us firmly back at square one, their replacements requiring time to build up strength, experience and understanding, etc.

[Wes Tender]

Thanks to St Marco, Um Pahars & Chapel End Charlie for killing a thread which yesterday boarders greatly appreciated - many of whom seemed to take great heart and encouragement from it when politics seem to always engulf and suffocate our club.

 

It would be nice if you could for once say something positive and leave it at that rather than then let your urge to always decry the club consume you.

 

Ah, I see. I thought that as a forum, all shades of opinion were welcome. Perhaps the people who run the forum should allow that some topics can be classified in such a way that only positive supportive posts are allowed on those threads and in the interest of balance, of course there should be some threads classified as only for negative posts.

 

But sensibly, they accept that the best solution is that there are threads started by people of all shades of opinion and that posters of all shades of opinion respond them them.

 

And is the thread dead? No. There still seems to be life in it, as far as I can see. It hasn't been closed yet.

[Alain Perrin]

But the ironic thing is you and others have missed the point totally, a point that at least Um Pahars gets, and he gets it because he goes to the games, he pays his hard earned cash to see the team. And anyone who has seen the team over the course of this season knows a few good performances in a sea of crap performances don't make things better.

 

To suggest that single Saints fan doesn't appreciate that results are important is stupid. Everyone wants to win, and win every game - hell even Lowe wants to win every game. The fact is though, and I think this is the point you miss, is we have depleted team from last season and are financially screwed. We can't expect to win every game but, providing we can survive this year (on the pitch and on balance sheet), we have a chance of building something special.

 

It is like someone flying a plane who has never flown before and after they cross into the

wake of a jumbo jet turning round and saying "were be alright!". So you might trust that guy but i wouldn't until they have safely got us on the ground. But it was a nice gesture to offer to fly the plane!

 

A great analogy because we are all stuck on that plane. However I struggle to work out who you are in it? As I see it you have three options:

 

1) You can be the person that just sits at the back crying "we're doomed" as the plane crashes to the earth. At least you can die smug, but you still die.

2) You can be a person that sits behind the amateur pilot (who is incidentally the only one with any flying experience on a plane) and whisper's "you're **** mate, you don't know what your doing, you're going to kill us all" in his ear.

3) You can support your only realistic hope with words of encouragement and hope that the Cesna pilot can be talked down by control.

 

The way I see it our financial situation is such that we are already on that plane and that the doors sealed and pressurised. All other pilots (managers) are left in the Airport - including N. Pearson who almost ran out of runway on the last landing (and all the Duty Free that Burley bought has been re-sold). JP is the only person who has flown before and apparently has experience of flying with near empty fuel tanks.

 

Unless a mid air refuelling (takeover) happens, it is unlikely we will find another pilot in the toilet, and get the plane down in time.

 

So who are you? Personally I'd always be (3) but in my opinion you are the worse kind, a combination of (1) and (2) - the guy who tries to open the emergency exit at 30,000ft.

 

(ps. did I push the analogy too far?)

[Legod Third Coming]

At the start of the season, many people were on here expecting us to be bottom by a country mile at this period. A joke manager with a team of boy scouts they cried...

 

What seems to have been overlooked is the amazing job that our manager is actually doing with a bunch of lads, the vast majority of whom had played next to no first team football at their respective clubs.

 

That JP gets so little credit for this makes me laugh.

 

He is a sensationally decent bloke and is doing a bloody good job too.

 

Even Alex Ferguson had Steve Bruce, Gary Pallister, McCLair, Hughes and co to rely on in his team of 'kids'...

 

Before people start complaining that we are not to of the league just have a serious think about what the circumstances are at our club and whether your expectations need a sharp pin.

[solentstars]

At the start of the season, many people were on here expecting us to be bottom by a country mile at this period. A joke manager with a team of boy scouts they cried...

 

What seems to have been overlooked is the amazing job that our manager is actually doing with a bunch of lads, the vast majority of whom had played next to no first team football at their respective clubs.

 

That JP gets so little credit for this makes me laugh.

 

He is a sensationally decent bloke and is doing a bloody good job too.

 

Even Alex Ferguson had Steve Bruce, Gary Pallister, McCLair, Hughes and co to rely on in his team of 'kids'...

 

Before people start complaining that we are not to of the league just have a serious think about what the circumstances are at our club and whether your expectations need a sharp pin.

 

got to agree with all that.

[um pahars]

Thanks to St Marco, Um Pahars & Chapel End Charlie for killing a thread which yesterday boarders greatly appreciated - many of whom seemed to take great heart and encouragement from it when politics seem to always engulf and suffocate our club.

 

It would be nice if you could for once say something positive and leave it at that rather than then let your urge to always decry the club consume you.

 

 

Behave yourself.

 

Go back and have a look at my posts and I think you'll find there's loads of support for Jan, and also loads of praise for him going out and meeting the supporters on their own turf.

 

Maybe if you need to look in the mirror with regards being divisive, negative and judgemental.

[thefuriousb]

Behave yourself.

 

Go back and have a look at my posts and I think you'll find there's loads of support for Jan, and also loads of praise for him going out and meeting the supporters on their own turf.

 

Maybe if you need to look in the mirror with regards being divisive, negative and judgemental.

 

Go back and read mine.. the bit where it says that having said something positive you just can't leave it and feel compelled to reel off a list of negatives too.

 

How trying to dispel the politics around the club and asking "supporters" of the club to unite behind the team is actually "divisive" god only knows?!

[thefuriousb]

Ah, I see. I thought that as a forum, all shades of opinion were welcome. Perhaps the people who run the forum should allow that some topics can be classified in such a way that only positive supportive posts are allowed on those threads and in the interest of balance, of course there should be some threads classified as only for negative posts.

 

But sensibly, they accept that the best solution is that there are threads started by people of all shades of opinion and that posters of all shades of opinion respond them them.

 

And is the thread dead? No. There still seems to be life in it, as far as I can see. It hasn't been closed yet.

 

uh oh the police have arrived - though more like a PCSO (ie not a proper one, just likes to pretend).

[OldNick]

Leave me out of it - no matter how well we do I'm never visiting SMS with Lowe in charge - never mind being given out free to every kid with a coke.

 

However if that lovely page three model is visiting SMS on that day I may come down to be her "freebie for the day" - if only I could remember her name!!! She has her knockers but personally I think she's comes across very well!!!

Yorkie, that is sad, i dont understand your position as you have supported us for years and to let politics deprive you of your pastime. When did you decide not to go under RL?

[um pahars]

uh oh the police have arrived - though more like a PCSO (ie not a proper one, just likes to pretend).

 

Hello Mr Pot!!!

 

And there was me thinking it was you who was telling people what they should think, what they should post etc etc etc.

[Saint Martini]

Hello Mr Pot!!!

 

And there was me thinking it was you who was telling people what they should think, what they should post etc etc etc.

 

Are you admitting you're a kettle?

 

Anyway, good to see that Jan is trying to improve the clubs relationship with the fans which has been mixed to say the least. I think he recognizes that if we want to turn around the home-form we need to get everybit of support from the crowd we they can get. This doesn't make him a brilliant manager by any means but if it helps in getting more support during matches it will influence our results.

[um pahars]

Are you admitting you're a kettle? .

 

As if;)

 

This doesn't make him a brilliant manager by any means but if it helps in getting more support during matches it will influence our results.

 

And it would appear that you have been able to make the same distinction that I have.

 

In that I think it is a great effort in trying to reach out to the fans and to engender a good spirit between the supporters and the players, management and the Club, but at the same time Jan will have to be judged on his success on the pitch.

[CB Fry]

 

Should change your name to CB Cry...I remember when you would ***** when people would call you out on your rubbish such as above, you would whinge and try and get them banned.

 

You don't remember this at all, because it has never happened. I have never, ever tried to get any forum member banned, and never complained to the mods about any poster (apart from (name censored, please contact admin), and he was making threats to me via PM). You can ask them if you like. I think you're thinking of Alpine. Get your facts right, sunshine.

 

Obviously that can't apply to you can it seeing as your a stingy bastard since we have to had help with the cost. At least i go to the home and away games and at least i talk about valid points about this club. Where as you i doubt have even seen SMS before or even been to any away games at all.

 

Whatever, I posted the other day the games I've been to this season, it includes two away games. I don't expect a medal, and I don't comment on games I haven't seen. But I can comment about the general affairs of the club, and will do, and I understand them better than you, who compares a football coach going down the pub with "propaganda". With you coming out with clueless drivel like that then I will comment. Its my duty to bring up the level of intelligence in the debate. Wah, waahhhh, it's evil propaganderrrr. Grow up.

 

 

But the ironic thing is you and others have missed the point totally, a point that at least Um Pahars gets, and he gets it because he goes to the games, he pays his hard earned cash to see the team. And anyone who has seen the team over the course of this season knows a few good performances in a sea of crap performances don't make things better.

 

Err, this isn't actually the "point" because this is a thread about JP meeting fans in the pub, not our current form. I only replied to your pathetic original post is because you were bawling your eyes out about evil propppergander. Don't remember saying anything about us being promotion contenders or playing brilliantly.

 

This is always the problem with you Marco. Utterly incapable of discussion.

 

Since when did everyone saying "fair play to Jan for meeting the fans" equate to those people saying we're playing brilliantly? They don't.

 

Funnily enough this is Um Pahars position, so not sure why you think he is agreeing with you. Fair play for Jan for meeting fans, but he'll be judged on the pitch. That what I say, UP says, everyone says.

 

What exactly is your problem with that view, apart from the fact you need to pretend you're the only person who thinks it?

 

 

 

How is saying "were be alright" or "we dont need to sell xyz in january" going to actually help exactly? And what if we go from bad to worse and xyz are sold in january? Then will you think he is a liar?

 

Err, thanks for the lesson,but this isn't nursery school. Do you seriously think if the manager says we'll be alright people actually then decide to switch their brains off and blindly beleive them? Come on Marco, some of us are nearly as clever as what you are....

 

 

Weak metaphor from Marco

 

 

Whatever, and anyway you quoted a allegory really, rather than a metaphor. And it was infantile garbage.

 

 

And i did mention our wins away i said we won 5 of 19 games....

 

 

This thread is about JP meeting fans in the pub. No-one who met him in the pub left the pub that night thinking "actually we're in eighth place after all"

 

 

 

Plus i meant in general about those managers you muppet, the point which again you obviously missed was they are all nice guys and have not done so great in this league recently.

 

 

Err - you quote Iain Dowie who acrimoniously left Palace, acrimoniously left Charlton and acrimoniously left Coventry, and then acrimoniously left QPR. All four times becasuse of fallings out over resources and staffing or falling out with senior management. So not because he was a nice guy. You haven't got a f u cki ng clue, son.

 

 

 

But i do enjoy your vists to this website, they do offer such intelligence and understanding!

 

 

You haven't got a fu cki ing clue son.