sydenhamssocks Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 Like any particular style or system,'the Pochettino way' is reliant on each individual player having what it takes to make it work. With an inherited squad who were mostly purchased to fit another managers requirements it was always possible that some of the squad may not be suited to it. From what I've seen, Fonte, Yoshida, Shaw, Clyne, Morgan, Cork, Punch, Ricky(as capt), Davis and JRod have all adapted to it well, Adam still to find it having been injured but I'm sure he will. A high percentage of these players have to be 'on it' at one time for the system to completely work or we end up looking ragged and out of touch. At Newcastle: Fonte out - Shaw taken off - Punch not selected - Clyne exposed due to non selection of Punch - Davis & JRod both a bit below par on the day. At times this left us looking unlike the side of recent performances. There are others in the squad who just don't 'Fit' with the current style or can't adapt. This was very apparent at Newcastle. Maybe not their fault, just a different skill set perhaps ! Our high tempo pressing game is demanding but brilliant to watch when it works ! I think those listed above, along with Boric, will have enough to keep us up, and hopefully Pochettino has lined up a suitable import or two from La Liga to give these guys the back up they sorely need ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 I've said it before but Forren was signed by the committee and does not appear to fit into the system. I have not seen him play for us (obviously), however almost all of the reports on him prior to signing said that he has many good points but his main weakness is his pace or lack of it. MP is determined to have a high defensive line and to press from the front, therefore a defender who lacks pace is not much good for him. Also, with the full backs bombing on and us playing a kind of 2/3 at the back, we will be susceptible to long balls played into the corners for pacey players to get on the end of. We played right into Newcastle's hands here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 Be surprised if Forren is much slower than Fonte, Yoshida or Hooiveld. Is he really thay slow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 Like any particular style or system,'the Pochettino way' is reliant on each individual player having what it takes to make it work. With an inherited squad who were mostly purchased to fit another managers requirements it was always possible that some of the squad may not be suited to it. From what I've seen, Fonte, Yoshida, Shaw, Clyne, Morgan, Cork, Punch, Ricky(as capt), Davis and JRod have all adapted to it well, Adam still to find it having been injured but I'm sure he will. A high percentage of these players have to be 'on it' at one time for the system to completely work or we end up looking ragged and out of touch. At Newcastle: Fonte out - Shaw taken off - Punch not selected - Clyne exposed due to non selection of Punch - Davis & JRod both a bit below par on the day. At times this left us looking unlike the side of recent performances. There are others in the squad who just don't 'Fit' with the current style or can't adapt. This was very apparent at Newcastle. Maybe not their fault, just a different skill set perhaps ! Our high tempo pressing game is demanding but brilliant to watch when it works ! I think those listed above, along with Boric, will have enough to keep us up, and hopefully Pochettino has lined up a suitable import or two from La Liga to give these guys the back up they sorely need ! How exactly has Fonte "adapted well" to the new system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 Be surprised if Forren is much slower than Fonte, Yoshida or Hooiveld. Is he really thay slow? No idea, can only go with what we have been told by those that have seen him in Norway. I think Yoshida is reasonably quick, he is definitely not a big Samba style unit. Fonte and Hooiveld are not quick but not too bad. Maybe Forren is fecking slow? Anyway, it highlights the problem of having someone other than the manager brining in players. The manager chooses the system, therefore should have a massive say on what players are brought in to fit that system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydenhamssocks Posted 25 February, 2013 Author Share Posted 25 February, 2013 How exactly has Fonte "adapted well" to the new system? I jumped the gun there ! Should have had ma different category for him Based on how well we know him I think he will fit the system 'when' ready though Good spot . Ta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 No idea, can only go with what we have been told by those that have seen him in Norway. I think Yoshida is reasonably quick, he is definitely not a big Samba style unit. Fonte and Hooiveld are not quick but not too bad. Maybe Forren is fecking slow? Anyway, it highlights the problem of having someone other than the manager brining in players. The manager chooses the system, therefore should have a massive say on what players are brought in to fit that system. Can't argue with that. From what I recall reading from the lurkers from Norway who were posting on here was that he's not quick but not slow either so I was anticipating him to be around the same as what we have in that department. Can't really think of any exceptionally quick CB's tbh, tough to be size you need to be to play there and be rapid across the ground at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydenhamssocks Posted 25 February, 2013 Author Share Posted 25 February, 2013 No idea, can only go with what we have been told by those that have seen him in Norway. I think Yoshida is reasonably quick, he is definitely not a big Samba style unit. Fonte and Hooiveld are not quick but not too bad. Maybe Forren is fecking slow? Anyway, it highlights the problem of having someone other than the manager brining in players. The manager chooses the system, therefore should have a massive say on what players are brought in to fit that system. Agree, Pochettinos purchases in the summer will tell us more about him. It may not be necessary that the centre backs have to be super fast to fit this 'system', a bit of old fashioned anticipation and awareness would probably do the job ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 Yeah, Yoshi is pretty good at this, put Des Walker along side him and we will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonroader07 Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 Cant understand why Forren has not figured even on the bench; I expect him to play against QPR Shaw Forren Fonte Clyne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 Can't argue with that. I know diggers, it's true love bru, true love. This is why you could never be my nemesis and your application was rejected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 Like any particular style or system,'the Pochettino way' is reliant on each individual player having what it takes to make it work. With an inherited squad who were mostly purchased to fit another managers requirements it was always possible that some of the squad may not be suited to it. From what I've seen, Fonte, Yoshida, Shaw, Clyne, Morgan, Cork, Punch, Ricky(as capt), Davis and JRod have all adapted to it well, Adam still to find it having been injured but I'm sure he will. A high percentage of these players have to be 'on it' at one time for the system to completely work or we end up looking ragged and out of touch. At Newcastle: Fonte out - Shaw taken off - Punch not selected - Clyne exposed due to non selection of Punch - Davis & JRod both a bit below par on the day. At times this left us looking unlike the side of recent performances. There are others in the squad who just don't 'Fit' with the current style or can't adapt. This was very apparent at Newcastle. Maybe not their fault, just a different skill set perhaps ! Our high tempo pressing game is demanding but brilliant to watch when it works ! I think those listed above, along with Boric, will have enough to keep us up, and hopefully Pochettino has lined up a suitable import or two from La Liga to give these guys the back up they sorely need ! "A high percentage of these players have to be on it at one time for the system to work" - isn't that true of any system? That's why it's a team game... Not totally sure about the CBs - out of all our players, they still play relatively deep with one CM dropping back whenever the fullbacks push up- think Neville pointed out that the system isn't as hung ho as people imagine. Where we struggle -and we struggled to some extent with Adkins is when the two inside forwards come come central to press. The result is that it leaves massive space if you can hit a good diagonal ball and have pace to exploit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 Cant understand why Forren has not figured even on the bench; I expect him to play against QPR Shaw Forren Fonte Clyne Why would we change both centre backs in such an important game?! Not going to happen. Plus Yoshi has been our best CB for the majority of this season, certainly doesnt deserve to be dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 I don't understand how people can put Hooiveld and Fonte in the same bag. Jose is better than Jos. Stop trying to make up excuses for Jos and realize he should be sharing Fox's cab home! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 I don't understand how people can put Hooiveld and Fonte in the same bag. Jose is better than Jos. Stop trying to make up excuses for Jos and realize he should be sharing Fox's cab home! He has been decent in all the other games hes played recently and was MOM vs Man City - didn't give Dzeko a sniff. Ok, he was shocking at the start of the season, and wasn't great yesterday, but he wasn't awful. You can hardly blame him for the OG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 Jos is good when we are under the cosh and teams are pumping balls into the box trying to force the game. If the game is even or we are pressing, he is not great. He is not very mobile and doesn't read the game as well as Fonte. He also has a Titus Bramble style mistake in him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 Jos is good when we are under the cosh and teams are pumping balls into the box trying to force the game. If the game is even or we are pressing, he is not great. He is not very mobile and doesn't read the game as well as Fonte. He also has a Titus Bramble style mistake in him He's a panicky player and easily riled - agree he's good against the long ball but not when we're under the cosh, especially away from home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 Cant understand why Forren has not figured even on the bench; I expect him to play against QPR Shaw Forren Fonte Clyne Why on earth would you drop Yoshida? Forrent hasn't figured because he isn't good enough, simple as. The coach sees him in training and decides this. have to say I think he was a panic buy, and Jos covered well enough while Fonte was injured, now Fonte is back Forrent becomes 4th choice. Looked uninterested and slow when he was warming up in recent home game, as if he knew he was not going to get a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 I agree with a lot but I am not sure that the CB has to be very fast. With this system, when it works, we are forcing opponents to play the long high ball and then you need someone good in the air and before yesterday I thought Jos had done it very well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 The way the club is run means that the change in manager should have a very marginal impact on the suitability of different players. Forren actually met with MP the day before NA was sacked so he is very much part of his plans and no, he's not slower than Jos or Fonte. The pace of play in Norway is what was slower. He has not featured yet because the existing CB pairing have done OK. But Saturday may give MP an excuse to try him out on Saturday. I don't totally blame Jos for the own goal but on a couple of occassions his dithering very nearly cost us. Certainly did not help overall confidence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 Any idea why he hasn't even got a game for the reserves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 Any idea why he hasn't even got a game for the reserves? All a bit weird really isn't it? Buy a CB identified as a weak area for us all season and then not play him. Bizarre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 I would have thought that due to the extreme demands of fitness levels under MP. Forren is still building up fitness as the Norwegian league season finished last year. Pretty sure that is why we haven't seen him yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 I would have thought that due to the extreme demands of fitness levels under MP. Forren is still building up fitness as the Norwegian league season finished last year. Pretty sure that is why we haven't seen him yet. Makes it an incredibly strange buy though. If he knew it would take this long to get him fit, 1. Why isn't he playing in the u21's? He said that he might figure in the Man Utd away game a while ago. 2. Why didn't we just wait until the summer to sign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 Makes it an incredibly strange buy though. If he knew it would take this long to get him fit, 1. Why isn't he playing in the u21's? He said that he might figure in the Man Utd away game a while ago. 2. Why didn't we just wait until the summer to sign him. Exactly. Added to the fact that the Norwegian league only finished in December I believe, his fitness shouldn't have deteriorated that much. Lallana hadn't played for roughly the same period of time and has got into the first team before Forren. As you say, if it's a fitness issue then our training and U21 games should have been enough to get that up to the decent level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 He also played 45 minutes for Norway a while ago and seemed close to match fitness then, shouldn't be fitness by now. Steve Miller from fat fillies could have gotten him fit by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 25 February, 2013 Share Posted 25 February, 2013 I would have thought that due to the extreme demands of fitness levels under MP. Forren is still building up fitness as the Norwegian league season finished last year. Pretty sure that is why we haven't seen him yet. We don't play in a unique way that requires extreme levels of fitness for a centre back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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