Taxi for Fox !

[OfnPanad]

Fact is he had more to do with us losing the match than any other player. Harsh but true. The tactical switch is Clyne to LB, Cork to RB, and bring on Ward-Prowse with Schneidelin told to hang back deep. All better players than Fox. Its not personal its just a case of how many times does he (and Guly) have to play like a donkey before being dropped for the good of the squad? They might be the second coming in training but they just cannot do it on matchday so they have to go.

[Whitey Grandad]

Funny how everyone is saying Fox is a liability, handball was harsh some are given some are not.

Own goal he is being blamed for yet no one has mentioned the player that switched off at the throw in and never tracked the player he was supposed to be marking which allowed the cross to be put in, fox going with his left foot - he is left footed which instinct is to kick with that foot, what happened after that was a calamity however lambasting one person when others failed in a simple duty is wrong.

 

Can't agree. For a professional player to be unable to use both feet is poor. If he had used his right foot then he could not have failed to see Jos standing right in his path and his body would have been facing the right direction. What he did was like trying to hoof the ball over his left shoulder without knowing who or what was in its path.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Can't agree. For a professional player to be unable to use both feet is poor. If he had used his right foot then he could not have failed to see Jos standing right in his path and his body would have been facing the right direction. What he did was like trying to hoof the ball over his left shoulder without knowing who or what was in its path.

And the player switching off and not stopping the supply?

[rooney]

So you'd drop Shaw back to the bench? It's a hard call. Shaw has been excellent this season, but it's a lot to ask of a 17 year old for him to perform in the Prem week in, week out.

 

Not necessarily, but agree with your comments in the third sentence. We need better back up.

[Special K]

If posters think he's ****e, an effing liablity, useless, etc, that is just forthright opinion, expressed often without being backed up with a reason, but nonetheless still a valid opinion. It is equal to somebody saying that another player is a legend, pure class, genius, etc, without any back up justification. Why are those types of opinion an over reaction and labelled as coming from "dummy-spitters"?

 

Yes, he had a bad day. One of sufficiently enough others to warrant those opinions critical of his ability, or more correctly, lack of it.

 

Whether he had been good in other recent games is also a matter of opinion with which many would disagree. He is the weak link on the left and therefore canny managers will exploit that flank, especially with Lallana ahead of him, not tracking back enough to cover his inadequacies. Actually Guly offered more protection ahead of Fox than Lallana.

 

Both managers have played Fox, but almost certainly through necessity, because that was a position where we should have added extra cover in the transfer window. Shaw's arrrival was a godsend and he is twice the player that Fox is, but when he is injured or tiring, or in danger of getting a second yellow, then Fox is on paper the obvious cover as a left back. But in reality I'm coming around to believing that we would have been better off with either Clyne switching and Cork going to RB, or even having Yashida at left back with Fonte replacing him, presumably fit if he was on the bench.

 

In the difficult run in we have, our chances of survival will be greatly enhanced if he doesn't play any part in it.

 

Wes, you are a ****, worst poster on this forum, devoid of wit, reason and humour.

 

Only joking of course as I'm glad you will take that as just a forthright, valid opinion.

 

Obviously i understand I am somewhat against the popular opinion, but i don't think he is as bad as some make out. I agree with you the AL offered him little protection, but that is for AL to address and doesn't make DF a bad defender in itself. I don't agree that he would have played if there were better options either, no manager would make that mistake.

 

If he does play a part in the run in, his performance will be greatly reduced if there are sections of the crowd that get on his back, especially during a tense game. Reminds me of how Lundekvam lost confidence when got relegated from the Prem last time.

[Wes Tender]

Wes, you are a ****, worst poster on this forum, devoid of wit, reason and humour.

 

Only joking of course as I'm glad you will take that as just a forthright, valid opinion.

 

Obviously i understand I am somewhat against the popular opinion, but i don't think he is as bad as some make out. I agree with you the AL offered him little protection, but that is for AL to address and doesn't make DF a bad defender in itself. I don't agree that he would have played if there were better options either, no manager would make that mistake.

 

If he does play a part in the run in, his performance will be greatly reduced if there are sections of the crowd that get on his back, especially during a tense game. Reminds me of how Lundekvam lost confidence when got relegated from the Prem last time.

 

Yes, I'm accepting of forthright opinions if there is substance to them rather than them being petty insults. And if my posts sometimes lack humour or wit, I hope that they are mostly reasonable.

 

Fox might not be as bad as some make out, but he is definitely not the best player that we could have in that position. Shaw is better than him already even at his age and in the opinion of many there are other options to switch other players around to better advantage as cover to the LB position. It seems clear that when we sought to buy Buttner we were looking to add strength in greater depth to LB and it might have been reasoned that with the emergence of Shaw and with Fox as cover, the situation was covered until the end of the season.

 

His performance against Newcastle which led to their two goal advantage highlights the possibility that we are still deficient with him playing there, especially with Lallana playing ahead of him. If Pochettino persists in his strategy of playing a pressing high line, then that policy will be hampered if Lallana has to track back to cover for Fox pressing on and not being able to track back to defend, which is his role. On the other wing, Clyne and Puncheon do that very effectively, as does Shaw, but with Fox playing behind Lallana, unless they sort that out, then that is our weak flank which will be exploited.

 

I don't think that fans will necessarily get on Fox's back at the match, but they will obviously consider him to be a liability if his performances are below par and result in us losing points. Personally, I don't see him as a player that can be trained to improve by coaching, so for me I believe that we missed the chance to bring in a more effective replacement in January and might suffer the consequences if Shaw cannot play there.

[Sour Mash]

Fox was good enough to be part of a back 4 that managed Man City's attack out of the game just the other week. Now he's not considered even good enough as back-up?

[Wes Tender]

Fox was good enough to be part of a back 4 that managed Man City's attack out of the game just the other week. Now he's not considered even good enough as back-up?

 

Correct

[Sour Mash]

Correct

What has changed in the last two weeks?

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Fox was good enough to be part of a back 4 that managed Man City's attack out of the game just the other week. Now he's not considered even good enough as back-up?

 

For once, I agree with you.

 

Fox appears to be the new Guly, along with Gaston.

 

I don't really think he is Prem class, but he was unfortunate to give the pen away - it certainly wasn't intentional, and the own goal was a bit of a freak occurrence. Maybe he could have gone the other way/used his other foot.

 

People's reactions on here make it sound like he is deliberately putting the ball past Boruc, or an Ali Dia for the 21st Century.

[Wes Tender]

What has changed in the last two weeks?

 

Nothing. We took City by surprise with our high line closing them down and were fortunate that they didn't punish us by employing the strategy that Newcastle used to counteract our tactics. And then Fox was substituted for the last 20 minutes by Clyne switching to LB and Richardson to RB.

[This Charming Man]

I've never rated him and thought he was average last season, we could just afford to carry him last year.

 

The thing is though, for a team battling relegation we're not going to get much better for a back-up.

[Bucks Saint]

For once, I agree with you.

 

Fox appears to be the new Guly, along with Gaston.

 

I don't really think he is Prem class, but he was unfortunate to give the pen away - it certainly wasn't intentional, and the own goal was a bit of a freak occurrence. Maybe he could have gone the other way/used his other foot.

 

People's reactions on here make it sound like he is deliberately putting the ball past Boruc, or an Ali Dia for the 21st Century.

 

The own goal was partly unlucky, but how many times do we have to say how unlucky Fox has been? It happens over and over with him. You create your own luck sometimes and in this case, he tried to clear the ball back across goal instead of using common sense and clearing towards the touchline

[Whitey Grandad]

And the player switching off and not stopping the supply?

 

All part of the problem, but the other team will always get a chance to put the ball across the box and you would expect you own players to be able to clear it cleanly, especially when they are not under any pressure. What you are saying is 'under no circumstances let them get a cross in anywhere near Danny Fox because he's as liable to kick it into our net as their's'

Edited 26 February, 2013 by Whitey Grandad

[slickmick]

Its got nothing to do with him being unlucky, its all to do with his positional sense. Just watch how much space he gives his man compared to the way Shaw plays.

Watch how many times Luke Shaw gets a tackle in compared to Fox. Fox seems to invite the winger to get a cross in. Sorry, but I just can't see that changing after all this time.

[paris]

He would have fitted easily into either Fulham or Stokes teams that i witnessed playing during the weekend , so i don't agree with some people saying he's not prem standard .....

[badgerx16]

The thing is though, for a team battling relegation we're not going to get much better for a back-up.

 

We're not going to get anybody else as a back-up now - other than switching Clyne across or playing a CB out of position, he IS our backup to Shaw until the end of the season.

[Reggie Dunlop]

All part of the problem, but the other team will always get a chance to put the ball across the box and you would expect you own players to be able to clear it cleanly, especially when they are not under any pressure. What you are saying is 'under no circumstances let them get a cross in anywhere near Danny Fox because he's as liable to kick it into our net as their's'

 

I do not have any problem in teams getting crosses in to the box, however being able to receive a ball from a throw in, be able to turn and run without even being put under pressure by the person who was supposed to be marking the person who crossed the ball is as inexcusable as someone trying to kick a ball with their preferred foot, not many players are as competent with both feet and in a moment of pressure you always go with the stronger impulse ie stronger foot, if you even had time to think about it.

How many times do we see strikers miss chances because they go with the stronger foot and miss.

 

It is wrong to lambast one player for a mistake/error in judgement when others were at fault which led to him being put in to that position, and if i remember correctly Yoshida went mental when the goal went in.

[captainchris]

What has changed in the last two weeks?

 

Nothing has changed he never was good enough!

[captainchris]

I do not have any problem in teams getting crosses in to the box, however being able to receive a ball from a throw in, be able to turn and run without even being put under pressure by the person who was supposed to be marking the person who crossed the ball is as inexcusable as someone trying to kick a ball with their preferred foot, not many players are as competent with both feet and in a moment of pressure you always go with the stronger impulse ie stronger foot, if you even had time to think about it.

How many times do we see strikers miss chances because they go with the stronger foot and miss.

 

It is wrong to lambast one player for a mistake/error in judgement when others were at fault which led to him being put in to that position, and if i remember correctly Yoshida went mental when the goal went in.

 

What you Fox lovers fail to remember is his mistakes are very

numerous he makes mistakes that cost goals directly or indirectly all

the time and it just has to stop. He has no positional sense, does not close down his attacking winger and has no awareness of what is happening or likely to happen around him. This has cost us dear and consistency did not start to happen until he was dropped. A total waste of space!

[Reggie Dunlop]

What you Fox lovers fail to remember is his mistakes are very

numerous he makes mistakes that cost goals directly or indirectly all

the time and it just has to stop. He has no positional sense, does not close down his attacking winger and has no awareness of what is happening or likely to happen around him. This has cost us dear and consistency did not start to happen until he was dropped. A total waste of space!

 

 

Bloody hell get your horn out, don your red jacket and jump on the findus pancake and go hunting......fox burger anyone!!!

[110_Persaint]

Bloody hell get your horn out, don your red jacket and jump on the findus pancake and go hunting......fox burger anyone!!!

[steve f 48]

Bloody hell get your horn out, don your red jacket and jump on the findus pancake and go hunting......fox burger anyone!!!

 

I agree with captainchris. Fox is shiite and is always infield too far and NEVER EVER stops a cross coming in. His pathetic flick ANYWHERE when he finally noticed the ball sums up his total lack of spatial awareness.

He shouldn't really ever play for Saints again.